Going to be a messy finale! Speaking of: the plan is again to take things slow next week. Not sure how I'll be covering the 2 part finale but a recap will be out in the days following the Tuesday ending!
If I’m going to be honest… I haven’t watched not one episode this season. I’ve only watched these fantake videos and I feel like I haven’t missed a single thing!
The way you phrased this is spot on. His sleeping with the other two is his choice, and her feeling the way she was is hers. All could be well, but then he blamed her for everything and that’s never ok. Also hope you’re doing ok
If you look beyond the edit- if you see through the propaganda then you would see we are missing a lot. One thing we have to not is- Clayton said those things… but why? I think it’s cause when they were left alone producers started manipulating and making him think she wanted bachelorette. Hence a very stark turn in his tone and what he said. Editing is so powerful-
@@ForeverFashionGirl21 great point! I think people forget that these conversations are so much longer but they’re edited to just a few minutes!! AND they are edited to make someone look bad and put someone else in a good light ON purpose! One theory is that producers wanted Susie for bachelorette so they orchestrated this whole thing 👀. Just things to consider! Reality tv is NOT exactly what we see on screen
@@ForeverFashionGirl21 Could be true, but I also think the Clayton turd is doing the typical male MO of blaming, projecting, and gaslighting 'cause said male had never learned how to genuinely communicate or take responsibility for their actions, 'cause they've NEVER HAD TO
I am torn on this. I did not see it as him blaming her for everything, but I saw it as "I am being dumped for a reason I dont think is fair and I am angry." I may need to go back and rewatch it, but reading other peoples reactions to the breakup, I feel like I was watching a different show entirely
What gets me is how quickly Clayton went from being “the most in love” with Susie to “loved” her, past tense. If love can be so easily come to and then dismissed, it wasn’t really love at all. But here’s what I love: Bachelor Fantake reviews!!!!
This season was fun, it spawned SUSIE!!!!! Compared Susie to Katie Thurston who has ZERO boundaries and poor self esteem. I’m waiting for Susie to put it down!
Completely agree, Fantake. Clayton can sleep with other women if he chooses to. Fine. But Susie is 100% valid for not wanting to move forward if he does. It's the way he handled the argument that was so uncalled for.
@@mexiaznann I think he explained in a podcast that he felt the most love for Susie but also realized that if there was no sexual chemistry there, then maybe his love would have shifted to another woman (Gabby or Rachel) moreso. I think he makes sense but he should have realized (in that argument) how hard it would be for Susie to hear that he's the most in love with her but banged and told two other women he loved them back to back. He basically said on the podcast "how could I have not have seen Susie's point in that moment?" so at least he takes some blame.
@@hailey7368 sad that he felt like he needed to test drive the women to see which one is best for a wife. I understand some people see sex as a big thing but you might get to having better sex chemistry once the relationship gets stronger. This happened with my bf, I didn’t enjoy sex until we had a deeper connection. Like you said, it is ok with him to sleep with the women if they want to, as well. He just handled it poorly.
You know what? Now that the season is almost over, I still don’t know why they cast Clayton as the lead. I thought that he was vanilla enough to give us a standard season but now this is like the fourth bachelor season in a row that’s getting completely derailed. I’m just so tired of the drama. Side note: Prayer circle that we never have to see Shanae again.
“I’m falling in love with 3 women 🤪” As soon as Susie ends things: “you ruined the process for everyone and I don’t want to do this anymore” uh????? What happened to the other girls you apparently loved???? He treated all 3 of them like trash and Susie did NOT deserve that treatment. I am so sick of this man 😩
Yes! More people need to recognize this point! He says Susie ruined everything? Well then Clayton only told those other women he loved them so he could have sex with them.
If he truly loved her like he said he did, he wouldn't have been so quick to end things with her and would have tried to work it out. He has a right to his feelings but so does she, and his reaction was awful. Susie dodged a bullet for real
It seemed like she was ending things since she said she couldn't get past it and he was freaking out because he didn't want to lose her. But he showed basically zero sympathy for the pain she was experiencing and made her feel like she was a horrible person for having her opinions.
Throughout the whole episode, I kept saying Bachelor Fantake is going to have a field day with this one. I've watched a lot of recaps while waiting for yours, and your recaps are hands-down the best. Not only are they fun to watch, but you perfectly picked apart the situation without being biased. You also took less than 14 minutes to do it. I am impressed! Great job. 👏👏👏
I once read somewhere that you can tell a lot about a person when they don't get what they want. Clayton wanted Susie and couldn't have her and instead of being a gentleman, he was a total jerk. True colours are showing!
Total jerk? I can’t figure out why some folks are slamming Clayton for his reaction to being cut off by Susie so firmly and coldly. How perfect do you expect him to be in that situation? People are saying he had a blowout but PLEASE. Have most people not seen what a REAL blow out is like? If not then Bless your hearts.
I don't know, to me this looked more like someone who was really hurt after following what they thought were all the "right" steps. He had no idea Susie had this boundary, and I'd bet money production really pushes the lead to sleep with all of the top 3 as part of the full "process" that "totally works"
I agree. He was HORRIBLE to her. And it's more than the fact that he slept with the other women. He LIED to them all and made them think he loved them and they were "the one." That's sleeping with someone under FALSE PRETENSES. And then he whined like a baby when Susie didn't fall for his BS. I hope he ends up alone - forever.
@@brownell.landrum He so thought the ladies where at his whim and he could have his cake and eat it, too, so when Susie told him that he power tripped on her.
In my honest opinion, the issue is more so him professing that he’s in love with Susie yet still deciding to sleep with the other two women. If he knew he was in love with her he wouldn’t have slept with the other two women. That’s not rocket science, it’s just common sense. Just because you sign up to be on a show with the POSSIBILITY of sex doesn’t mean that you have to partake in it. Granted, Susie could’ve told him sooner that it was a dealbreaker. She didn’t expect him to tell her he’s in love with her on their date. He got caught red handed and couldn’t handle the repercussions. I do believe production purposely had Susie go last. But honestly production was low key looking out for her because regardless of the order the dates went in, it still says a lot about his character considering the fact that he knew he ultimately wanted her but was willing to jeopardize it, just to get one off. And his reaction was unwarranted. It just revealed his true character.
She could've said something but a man who is in love and wants the telationship to work out wouldn't have done this. Nick Viall even drew reference to his FS and though it was uncomfortable chose not to sleep with the other women because he knew he wanted Vanessa. This fool thought it was a good idea to sleep with them and proclaim his love. But if he knew she was his final, he didn't need to explore with the other women.
I feel after his night with the others he decided that he wanted Susie because he knew she was a smart and good woman and not the type that sleep around but he wanted to try the other ladies out I feel they were weak and stupid to be that desperate for someone from a tv show.
@@Change2be1 I'm sorry but the ladies are not to be blamed. He held all the cards and most leads have a track of not telling EVERYONE they love them. They decided based on the information they were given and believed they were it. Gabby was fine with him exploring the physical side it's the lying and being in love with all of them that seems to be the issue. The seem to have genuine emotion for him. That does not make them desperate
Before this season I was so up for giving Clayton a fair shot. But dang the casting agents read him well enough to know he would provide another awful season.
You were on point. Its "not being an ass about it" that makes difference. How you handle situation shows intent and intent matters. Thoughts or philosophies can be different but the intent with which you convey shows everything.
THANK YOU for pointing out how Clayton brought his "faith" into it. If he was sOoooOoOo strong in his "faith", he would have never slept with anyone--let alone 2 girls on consecutive days--before marriage. I mean, that's what the Bible says, right?? You'd think he'd know that if he ever opened one up 🙄 Now I'm not shaming anyone for their personal choices regarding their sex life, but I absolutely hate it when "Christians"--or any religious person, for that matter--deliberately disobey the values of said religion and continue to live out their life in ignorance. You can't just selectively pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to listen to. It just doesn't work like that 🤦♀
I think there's something to say about the lead holding back their feelings until a certain time. We saw twice just within the last year how it can blow up. Katie said she wouldn't tell anyone she loved them until they were engaged, which lead to the Katie v Greg debacle. Clayton mentioned Serene taught him to not hold back his emtions. and you could argue if he expressed himself sooner, Susie would have expressed her deal breakers sooner. It seems to me that when leads hold back their feelings to the contestants, the lead misses out on a huge chunk of information that will help them make their final decision.
Yes, I agree...but in holding back, Katie got to see Greg's true colors when he doesn't INSTANTLY get the validation he wants. And Colton revealed his own standards and morals (or lack thereof) by not knowing Susie's desires so it shows their natural incompatibility rather than if he had acted in one way just to please her...cuz that shiny image stuff wears off after marriage and you need to know who you really are marrying. Games of pretend don't last. Just saying, there are advantages to either way.
you could also make the opposite point though, if were already mad about Clayton telling his F3 that he loves how much worse would it have been earlier, he may have told even more women
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i completely agree! on becca kufrin's podcast (bachelor happy hour) she talked about how this is a rule that's placed on the lead by production, and it is definitely in place to cause drama.
because this is what he does because he can't get a woman on his own without saying what they want to hear, after he slept with Gabby and Rachel he walked away yelling the same thing to both of them and laughing how he got them to sleep with him it show him how easy they were.
susie should have voiced her boundaries sooner but that’s not the issue. regardless of what she did/didn’t do, nothing warranted clayton’s blowout! he was awful to her, completely disrespectful and nasty. he owes her an apology big time. if he really loved susie the most, like he said he did, there was absolutely no reason for him to sleep with the other women. he just wanted to get laid, plain and simple. thank you for your hard work fantake, glad you’re feeling better!
Exactly. Thank you for this. His outburst toward someone he claimed to “love the most” because he didn’t get the response from her he wanted to get screamed emotional abuse. He said what he said to hurt her at the end of the day and that is f-ed up. There is no excuse for his behavior.
@@annahayden yes!! precisely this. nobody is shaming him for having sex, that’s his choice and that’s fine. but his outburst directed toward susie was so uncomfortable to watch. there’s no excuse for it.
@@melissa-ov6qv yes! He instead shamed her for being upset and feeling heartbroken over his actions? Like wtf how does that make any sense? Treating someone the way he did is just repulsive.
@@melissa-ov6qv totally…but tbh their talk was 3 hours and they picked out 10 minutes of it, as well as made several cuts. If you recorded all of our big, relationship-ending fights, I’m sure it would look somewhat similar. Add to that the fact that this is completely a different environment than what is usual, you can’t expect a person to be perfect. If you listen to kaitlyn bristowes podcast I feel like it was explained very well. I seriously hate I’m defending Clayton but the hate he’s getting is not warranted…
I'm always amazed at how bad Clayton deals with even the tiniest bit of conflict. Throughout the entire season! The emotional maturity of a teenager! No part of this needed to be a fight, he can sleep with whoever he wants and Suzie can feel however she wants to feel,
We already knew Clayton was totally emotionally deficient thanks to his constant walking away during conflict and the way he's talked down coldly to a few of the women when deciding to send them home. What happened to Susie shouldn't really have come as a surprise, he already showed us who he is deep down when the chips have fallen. What he did to Susie is called DARVO - Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. It's basically the psychological term for "playing the victim", especially so effectively that the true injured party ends up being the one to apologize for THEIR behaviour even if they did nothing wrong (as we saw from Susie). It's a favourite tool of narcissistic abuser. I'm not necessarily saying that describes Clayton but the show supposedly does extensive psychological screening - how tf did they not catch a man with such low empathy for women who minutes before he professed to love?? As soon as things end he flips the switch and withholds any compassion or regard for them. It's frankly chilling.
I think he’s emotionally Immature and is a product of some toxic masculinity traits of don’t have feelings be angry when sad. Sleep with woman to be vulnerable. He is acting narcissistic sometimes and has an ego but I Donny think he’s a narcissist or we atleast don’t have enough info to diagnose him
He projected past pain on her.if you actually love someone you would want them to be happy you wouldn’t treat the, like Clayton did when letting her go. We also saw his reaction to teddy’s cpnfession, which was speculation at the time but this sort of shows that the ppls salting him were rightfully
You don’t treat people you “love” like that. This is all B.S. He’s shocked they he can’t just sleep with three women, tell them each that he’s in love with them, pick one, and have there be no repercussions? Then he gaslights Susie to make her feel like it is all her fault? She shouldn’t be apologizing.
Run Susie! You don’t want a guy that reacts with so much anger or simply walks away from conflict when he feels on the defensive. Ick. Frankly, Clayton grosses me out. There must be something about Clayton that doesn’t portray on the screen, because I am just not understanding why he was chosen as Bachelor or why these women are attracted to him. Yes, I agree that him saying that about his faith was a low blow and he lost what little respect from me when he said that. I am proud of how classy and mature Susie handled herself.
Super glad you skipped the WTA, that just seemed like a waste of time. I swear, the producers must be licking their lips in glee about all the new drama. I swear, being a lead on this and the bachelorette is terrifying; between the potentially horrible edits, producer shenanigans, constant distrust contestants are there for the wrong reasons, isolation, toxic fans, and who knows what else! At least it pays, I guess. Glad you're doing ok and thank goodness for your videos.
Honestly Ben Higgins screwed things up for all of the next bachelors by saying "I love you" to two women and ending up with his winner and not getting too much backlash because it felt like he really was feeling things for both. Since his season, the "saying I love you to multiple people" has become a tired trope that leads to nothing but useless drama and seasons that go down the drain. Clayton just thought he would make even better TV by saying I love you to three women although it's completely ridiculous and the only things he shares with them is lust...
Ben was the only one I believed when he said "I love you" to both women. Everyone after that has said it just because of the pressure to keep the relationships going. I wish they could make it a rule where the lead isn't allowed to say that anymore, it's ruined so many seasons.
It's also so funny to me if Susie becomes the bachelorette because then we'll basically have had both Hannah and Colton as leads and now Clayton and Susie and they all look the same, it's bizarre
While I would prefer Gabby (or Serene) after watching the first part of the date today, a season with Susie wouldn’t really be that bad. Also Susie doesn’t really look like Hannah B that much, she looks more like the Christian singer Hollyn.
@@highway2heaven91 I really think Susie is a Hannah knock off. I didn't think so till she started saying she's a "beast" Then I was like ooohhhh this girl studied to get Bachelorette. You're right though, Serene would also make an interesting lead!
Clayton's sincerely held belief that he should never have to experience negative consequences from his actions is a thing to behold. Like, dude, that's life. Grow up.
Absolutely despise how he blamed her for his actions. You were so spot on BF. “I’m not trying to place any blame on you, BUT…” then proceeds to blame her for everything he did? Disgusting. Gross. Nope. Do not like that boy. Not at all.
@@shanandananscoo if you love someone you don’t treat them that way and blame them for your own actions. There is absolutely no excuse for how he behaved.
I agree. She did the right thing. It almost came across as gaslighting. Dude she doesn’t want someone who has to put his D!&$ in two other people to know she’s the one. Have standards for your self and the people around you.
@@tyejones431101 right, and she shouldn’t be shamed for her choices and standards - no one should be. She was crushed in that moment too hearing him say I love you the most but by the way yesterday and the day before I slept with the other two and told them I loved them too. Her feelings are valid and she does not deserve to be blamed for his actions then shamed for being upset. If she had shamed him? It would be a different story. But it was him who shamed her. Not ok no matter who does it. If he needed to do and say what he did and said with the other women then he also needs to accept the consequences of his actions without tearing her down and trying to hurt her. That is not love, and it was not ok.
@@neonorange44 It was TOTALLY gaslighting. It was invalidating her feelings and then blaming her and treating her like she's crazy. That's the pure definition of gaslighting.
Thank you for always giving us your best Fantake, please know it does not go unnoticed nor unappreciated. You bring so much joy and peace with your recaps. I am so happy you are recovering, I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers
Having sat through all 4 hours of Bachelor content this week, I can honestly say that I wish I'd just watched this video. Bachelor Fantake is all the Bach content I need 😍 P.S. I'm glad you're feeling better! Keep taking care of yourself.
imo if Susie had told him beforehand he still would have been upset with her. Maybe not as emotionally charged as he was here. But none the less, he’d be mad.
First two minutes? Chef’s kiss. I agree completely with your points-it is impossible to have absolutes regarding this show. The set up from jump is complicated. But if Clayton knew he was in love with Susie then he should have acted accordingly. However he took advantage of the “Bachelor Perks” without realizing that these are real people who have real feelings. Because honestly, each of those women thought they were the only one. Susie is not going to be the only one devastated at the end of this. Also- it feels to me-in my opinion- that Clayton was going for the ILY+Fantasy Suite Triple Crown. And he was probably mad that Susie prevented him from achieving this.
The worst part of the Clayton/Susie convo imo was that he turned it into “YOU [Susie] aren’t fighting for this relationship, YOU don’t care enough!” That was such a red flag because like… that’s like the exact thing that cheaters say when they get caught and try to salvage the relationship from their consequences - their partner is the one that isn’t trying and isn’t committed to the relationship because they won’t just roll over and IMMEDIATELY forgive them (or let themselves be worn down into dropping the issue by a barrage of excuses and justifications) for their actions and betrayal! I’m not saying that Clayton ACTUALLY cheated, that’s not really how this show works and I don’t think that’s a fair assessment of the situation. However, his argument is EXACTLY what cheaters mindsets are, and that’s a really, REALLY big red flag for a long-term relationship imo. He would be unwilling to take any responsibility for the things he does that hurt his partner, and emotionally blackmail them if he wasn’t getting off the hook immediately and allowed to do whatever he wants.
The breakup scene between Clayton and Susie is SO chopped up! Really makes me think they talked about some other important things that were cut out. My theory is that Clayton maybe read Susie's breakup as a planned play to get Bachelorette? (I really don't think that, but from some of Clayton's recent interviews, it seems he was worried about this issue in general) You should check out Dear Shandy's episode on this, they go into it more!
Oh that’s actually interesting. So he had this insecurity about her but was also “the most in love with her”… feels very immature and red flag on his part 😬🚩🚩
I do not want to shame Clayton for having sex, however, if he truly knew that he wanted Susie to be his final pick, which seems like the case, it seems a bit messed up to sleep with the two other women and tell them he was falling in love. Not necessarily bc of Susie, but because it seems like a situation where he would hurt both Rachel and Gabby more than he needed to.
How about Hannah brown sleeping with multiple men have made the final 3 men in her season feel ? Is she also a bad woman ? Seems most of you women were bouying her to have sex with as many men as she could at that time.
@@christaggart5687 I agree that this would have been the best course of action since she definitely set herself up for disappointment with how she went about this. But I think she didn't feel like it was fair to give him an ultimatum and also maybe didn't realize that it would truly be a dealbreaker until that moment.
@@christaggart5687 she didn’t seem to realize this until after final fantasy week started. Also to be fair if you think about it Colton also could of communicated to each of the girls that he might sleep with all of them or be open to that that way they can be fully aware of what their getting into before sleeping with him. That would be the only respectful way to sleep with all of them.
@@christaggart5687 Some people don't need (good) morals "communicated" to them. She wanted to marry one of those people. Get it? She got her information on Clayton's true un-ultimatumed morals, and now she won't have to waste more time and heartbreak on him, or get cheated on down the line.
Never forget: the producers orchestrated this with terrifying precision. They knew how Susie felt. They probably discouraged her from telling Clayton. They pushed Clayton to say that he loved everhone. And then they put Susie last. Also if you notice his angry looks, he's looking at the producers and some of his answers seem like answers to their questions edited to be to Susie. I also think he accused Susie of using him to be bachelorette but they cut it out. This show has always been about making TV, but there was some semblance of romance. They have completely given up on that, especially keeping all the contestants together for the overnight dates.
Definitely his choice to sleep with the women. And susie should know this. It’s always implied that the choice is there. But I’m confused by WHY he chose to sleep with both of them, and probably trying to sleep with Susie. If you want a monogamous relationship with the one woman at the end, then it would make sense to just wait. Unless you’re rating them and using sex as a feature to make your decision which is just weeeeird. Exploring your physical connection is a cop out in my opinion. Along with her saying, she wanted to leave if he was in love with someone else. Would you want that? Im torn. I feel like I get why you’d ask. But at the same time I feel like… you shouldn’t ask it because you KNOW it’s an option especially if the other women are down for it. I really feel like Clayton felt like they were going to edit some of his I love yous out lol. He was extremely rude and disgusting. I don’t believe he truly loved Susie the most, because you wouldn’t treat her like that. He’s so annoyed because he thinks she made him look bad, and he did that all in his own.
At least from what I’ve seen, Susie did a good job framing her boundaries and expressing her feelings without telling Clayton he was wrong to fall in love with or sleep with the other women. Clayton was not able to do that. “I need someone who can believe me when I choose them despite just telling others I’m in love with them” is very different than “you ruined it” Early on I wondered if Clayton was actually polyamorous, but if so his communication is so terrible he’d fail at poly too.
Plenty of people are Poly and practice it badly. The show is toxic putting monogamous people in these situations. Clayton probably feels love for them all, has ideas of a monogamous future, and lacks experience with navigating full poly relationships. I didn’t like how Susie seemingly expected him to be a mind reader. I had a serious partner and ended up on a date with someone else, and things were possibly escalating so I immediately called the partner and asked if it was okay and he said yes… then when I saw him again he got all angry and butthurt about the situation. So yeah, it’s a really annoying thing when people tell you about a boundary after the fact and it ends up ruining a good relationship. Also annoying is the show doing a thing where they cause this fight to occur on camera, when they could just go to the fantasy suite and talk about it? Idk
Production should be chewed out by fans for how this season unraveled I mean does anybody really believe Susie gotta the final fantasy suite date by accident?
It has been quite a while since I've cringed so much at the final three. Man did he mess this up spectacularly. Just the fact that Rachel said "I'm sorry in advance" shows that Clayton made her and Gabby think they were the one when clearly they weren't. That was what made me more mad than anything that happened with Susie. Just how stupid he was with those two and how out of all the ways it wasn't going to go well, he somehow managed to pick the worst option imaginable. And yes, I 100% agree that there is nothing wrong with sleeping with other people as long as you're not an ass about it or being uncomfortable with it as long as you're not an ass about it. This is why I'm not blaming Susie whereas I fully blamed Luke P. He brought Hannah's faith into it and told her she wouldn't be loved by anyone if she had or that she would be less of a woman of faith if she did sleep with someone else which is really vile. And where Clayton loses me is where he places all the blame on Susie and uses his faith to shame her further. But either way, the real victims here are Rachel and Gabby and he really screwed both of them over.
Yes, he has learned nothing. And, he has said that looking back at his season, he wouldn't change any of his behavior. Again, sadly, he has learned Nothing.
Yes Clayton can sleep with whoever he wants to and shouldn't be shamed for it...but Susie is heard saying that if you knew you loved me why than sleep with someone., which I agree...And I am also super surprised hearing him saying that he is in love with her the most. Was that to convince her to sleep with him (which I suspect it is. Seeing she needed more convincing). He had the most (what was shown) chemistry with Rachel...Anyway love your video's and as the Dutch say beterschap 🤗❤
I feel he said I love you to all 3 women so that he can sleep with them. Susie needed convincing so he had to tell her I love you the most. What a total jerk. He dont deserve no one.
So Clayton tells all three women “I love you” but Suzie I love you the most? So how do you think the other two women will feel when they find out? I love you by 30% more. Ha! You treated Suzie so bad and didn’t respect her opinion and you blame her??? Sorry but you’ve now become the least favorite bachelor.
I haven't seen all the videos from what happened with Clayton, but I actually gasped out loud at some of the things he said to Susie. What a disaster. And he was So. Mean. Ugh.
I was waiting for you to comment on this episode and I was not disappointed!! You are so so good at understanding a situation and making sense of a mess in a few sentences! Clayton has the right to choose to sleep with the women and not be shamed for it and Susie has the right to not be on board with that decision, BUT what he did then, it’s pure gaslighting and you cannot tell me otherwise. He’s putting the whole blame on her, saying stuff like „I don’t recognize you anymore“, „You’ve invalidated the whole experience“, „I don’t want to put the blame on you BUT“. It’s toxic and he’s making her feel at fault, invalidating her opinion and feelings and I’m so so furious watching these scenes. I hope he is single now, because he has a LOT to learn before he can lead a healthy relationship with respect on both sides. Btw I still cannot believe that they chose Clayton to be the bachelor in the first place. I’m so tired of these Bachelor-seasons that are a complete trainwreck, not to mention that Michelle’s season had so many great guys with so much potential! I’m really disappointed in the show at this point..
I have mixed feelings because I see both perspectives. I also feel that there is so much production does to sabotage the lead to get a dramatic ending. If Susie would have gone first, I wonder how things would have played out. Also, I think it’s out of line to send hate mail to Clayton or anyone in general. In a podcast, Clayton mentioned that people got a hold of his phone number and email and he was getting really nasty messages telling him to die. To me that’s extreme. Yes, he messed up, but no one deserves that amount of harassment and hate. Especially when production had a lot to do with how things played out.
I agree that it's not what they individually choose as their values and boundaries but how they express it. The way Clayton chose to treat her with total disrespect of her boundaries and vulnerability is sad to watch. I haven't been down on Clayton all season. Even when he handled things poorly in the house with the women. I can understand not getting the full story and being confused. But this one is hard for me to turn away from. His disrespect and lack of kindness is shocking. I hope truly that he has remorse and grows from it, as Fantake wisely pointed out breakups can bring out the worst in people, this was pretty bad.
Thank you so much for these videos. You’re not feeling well yet you take the time to entertain us. I just want you to know it’s truly appreciated. Feel better soon. 😁
Susie's words at the end are my main reason to be on Susie's side. Clayton is all "I' am in love with you", "I am te most in love with you", and when Susie tries to explain why She's no ok sharing is feelings with other woman - and actually is with other women, he flips and goes from "I'm the most in love with you" to "I did love you" and "I'm done, I'll walk you out" is evidence that it wasn't actual love. He could have said "Let's have time to think about it" "I'll let you decide if you want to stay and choose us" or sort of. This was his chance to prove his love and be kind to her, to acknowledge her feelings of discomfort and even though she said that she can't get pass that, still give her the time and space to cool down and think. Instead, he chose to be a jerk. So, to me is not about whether he slept with the two other women, but how he treated Susie after she expressed her feelings. It's just another messy break up, a la Katie and Gregg, I just hope at the end he's not trying to go back to her.
So happy you are feeling better. IMA little guilty that I still want these updates from you :) IDK how you have the energy to find those great cllips you edit in but they make my week! Keep taking care of yourself - lots of positive energy is being sent to you by your fans.
Clayton got lucky. She is discounting this man's season. It his. He has other relationships. She has this Disney midset of "its all about me" maam you're 28! Those eggs are drying up. Life ain't perfect.
Your editing of this video is epic! 😂That Clayton/Susie v. Shayne/Nathalie 😂 Not to mention your "fake out" with Colton coming to terms with his "feelings" ... that I ❤you and huge GRIN for every girl. 🤦 I'm dead! 🤦
Biggest lesson for future bachelors, pick one! You can open your heart to a few but only give your heart to one. And if you decide to sleep with them all don’t except their to be a free pass with no consequences.
you always have nuanced takes on things and it's SO refreshing and nice to listen to. I feel similarly about the FS situation and I think you did such a good job discussing it
I’m glad you brought up the Clayton and Susie stuff and compared it to Hannah and Luke. Two similar situations but the reactions make a world of a difference.
I’m going to be honest I don’t like Clayton as the bachelor at all but I love your recaps always watch them more than the show itself! Also are you going to do The Courtship on nbc?! it’s like the bachelor meets Bridgerton. I would watch your videos on it!!
"If you really love somebody. . " SO typical a line for cheater. Sounds like whoever gets stuck with him will get a lying cheater. I'm beginning to feel he and Shanae belongs together and all 3 of final ladies deserve better than Clayton!
What i got from Clayton's side just off this recap is that Clayton was going to propose to Susie but he wanted to fluck the other two first. Got it. Glad im just recapping this season with you instead of watching the actual show
I love your point that you do not need to be an ass about it!!! Love is about action Clayton. Treat people you profess to love with love, protection, care for their feelings, respect, empathy, kindness and courtesy. A real man wants to protect the woman he is in love with as soon as he is in love! He does not know what love is. Susie is amazing when she asked questions. It just helps her know if his character and actions are what she wants in a man.
If Clayton really is “in love with all three women”, then why does one leaving cause this visceral of a reaction? It should help him narrow it down a little, yes? Kind of gives off the vibe that he was telling the first two women what he thought they would want to hear to sleep with them, but actually had Susie as his first pick… 🧐 Glad you are feeling better, Bachelor Fantake!! Love your recaps!
just needed to express how much I appreciate your take on everything. The last part of this video is completely on point and looks at everything through a compassionate lens while holding assh0les accountable. Everyone is allowed to make their own choices and have their boundaries, but to shame someone into feeling that awful for having those boundaries shows that he feels entitled to getting what he wants and that he's able to manipulate a conversation so that she ends up apologizing to him. I've seen multiple friends stuck in bad situations because their partner used similar tactics to keep them there. I love that bachelor fantake has the same cynical love/hate relationship with the franchise as I do and I hope you are recovering well and getting the rest you need king!!
Also I remember Maddie Prewitt was shamed by Peter’s mom for giving an “ultimatum.” “How dare you give him an ultimatum?!” - Peter’s Mom. So maybe Susie watched that season and felt like she couldn’t share her dealbreaker because people would shame her for doing it. It is a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation.
And at least Peter owned it, while he still did sleep with the others, he understood her feelings and did not blame her for doing what was best for her.
Exactly what you said. It's not sleeping with people the problem, it's saying it was her fault and treating her so coldly that bothered me. On the other hand I'm waiting to see what he has to say about it. I believe we can all be asses sometimes, but he'd better make it right to Susie who absolutely didn't deserve to feel that way.
@@bori80 yeah that wasn't good at all. "I'm feeling things for you I haven't felt in ages, but I'm falling for you", next morning screaming "i love you/ I'm falling in love!!". Those moments must have felt so special to the women, and then they learned he did the same to all three. I want to give him the benefit if the doubt, but it's not a good look.
I have to confess for the past year I haven’t watched a single bachelor episode. I always only and only watched your recaps. But this week I had to watch it cuz I couldn’t find a quality recap to listen to and I gotta say it pained me sitting through the whole hour and made me appreciate your recaps 10000% more! I hope you have a speedy recovery, your amazing 💓
He blamed Suzie for not wanting to stick around and fight for their relationship, but in the end, he's the one who gave up. Suzie's parting words spoke volumes. She is so much more mature than he is. Suzie for the next bachelorette!
Maybe it’s time to do away with Fantasy Suites a week or so before engagement. Unless everyone is on board it just seems like a recipe for drama. Have the parents and family meet the final 3, and help pare down to the final two. Spend the last week on final day long dates with the final two before the decision. You keep the suspense and romance while getting rid of stuff like that.
He literally did a 360 on her and said "Im walking you out" when she's the one that is about to walk him out. This whole season is the reverse bachelor.
Listen I’m a married woman but the crush I have on you for not only your sense of humor but your INCREDIBLE stances on these difficult circumstances is insane. You’re all of our boyfriend now and I hope you recover quickly.
Going to be a messy finale! Speaking of: the plan is again to take things slow next week. Not sure how I'll be covering the 2 part finale but a recap will be out in the days following the Tuesday ending!
Oh my goodness the Love is Blind X Bachelor crossover episode is just what we need 😂😂💀 take it easy Fantake we all wishing you well ❤️
Take care of yourself !!
Hope you’re okay……from a fellow Canadian fighting a head cold…..or is it Omnicron? 🤷🏼♀️😂
Hoping you feel better soon. Looking for to your fantake on Love is Blind 2 weddings and aftershow as well!!
@Courtney Green You could've and should've left out that one sentence in your comment and it would have said the same message.
If I’m going to be honest… I haven’t watched not one episode this season. I’ve only watched these fantake videos and I feel like I haven’t missed a single thing!
Haha, me too!!
Same 😂!
You missed week 7…
Yup. We saved a lot of time and frustration.
Same! This season just didn't do it for me. But Fantake's videos are the best.
The way you phrased this is spot on. His sleeping with the other two is his choice, and her feeling the way she was is hers. All could be well, but then he blamed her for everything and that’s never ok. Also hope you’re doing ok
If you look beyond the edit- if you see through the propaganda then you would see we are missing a lot. One thing we have to not is- Clayton said those things… but why? I think it’s cause when they were left alone producers started manipulating and making him think she wanted bachelorette. Hence a very stark turn in his tone and what he said. Editing is so powerful-
@@ForeverFashionGirl21 great point! I think people forget that these conversations are so much longer but they’re edited to just a few minutes!!
AND they are edited to make someone look bad and put someone else in a good light ON purpose! One theory is that producers wanted Susie for bachelorette so they orchestrated this whole thing 👀. Just things to consider! Reality tv is NOT exactly what we see on screen
@@ForeverFashionGirl21 Could be true, but I also think the Clayton turd is doing the typical male MO of blaming, projecting, and gaslighting 'cause said male had never learned how to genuinely communicate or take responsibility for their actions, 'cause they've NEVER HAD TO
@@ForeverFashionGirl21 oooh, i hadn't considered this angle before, i think this is a good assessment!
I am torn on this. I did not see it as him blaming her for everything, but I saw it as "I am being dumped for a reason I dont think is fair and I am angry."
I may need to go back and rewatch it, but reading other peoples reactions to the breakup, I feel like I was watching a different show entirely
What gets me is how quickly Clayton went from being “the most in love” with Susie to “loved” her, past tense. If love can be so easily come to and then dismissed, it wasn’t really love at all. But here’s what I love: Bachelor Fantake reviews!!!!
No matter how much I dislike this season and the lead, I’ll never miss a Fantake video! So glad you’re ok!
I haven't been watching the season itself, just the recaps. I couldn't get invested in Clayton at all. This has been a recent trend unfortunately.
Me too! Haha! I haven’t watched for a couple seasons, but just love these videos!
SAME!!! I stopped watching the season after ep.3
I tune into this every week
Same here. I haven't watched one second of this season but I watch every single Fantake vid
This season was fun, it spawned SUSIE!!!!! Compared Susie to Katie Thurston who has ZERO boundaries and poor self esteem. I’m waiting for Susie to put it down!
Completely agree, Fantake. Clayton can sleep with other women if he chooses to. Fine. But Susie is 100% valid for not wanting to move forward if he does. It's the way he handled the argument that was so uncalled for.
^^^ YES
Yes! The other thing that did bother me was “I loved you the most” - like dude, really? 😵💫 not sure how to take that
@@mexiaznann Yeah he knew he loved her the most but still slept with the other two!
@@mexiaznann I think he explained in a podcast that he felt the most love for Susie but also realized that if there was no sexual chemistry there, then maybe his love would have shifted to another woman (Gabby or Rachel) moreso. I think he makes sense but he should have realized (in that argument) how hard it would be for Susie to hear that he's the most in love with her but banged and told two other women he loved them back to back. He basically said on the podcast "how could I have not have seen Susie's point in that moment?" so at least he takes some blame.
@@hailey7368 sad that he felt like he needed to test drive the women to see which one is best for a wife. I understand some people see sex as a big thing but you might get to having better sex chemistry once the relationship gets stronger. This happened with my bf, I didn’t enjoy sex until we had a deeper connection. Like you said, it is ok with him to sleep with the women if they want to, as well. He just handled it poorly.
You know what? Now that the season is almost over, I still don’t know why they cast Clayton as the lead. I thought that he was vanilla enough to give us a standard season but now this is like the fourth bachelor season in a row that’s getting completely derailed. I’m just so tired of the drama.
Side note: Prayer circle that we never have to see Shanae again.
My money is on Shanae being on BIP 😩 considering they brought Queen Victoria to BIP......
@@orion1736 Yeah, I think so too, but we can still hope, right? 🙂
You can be certain she'll be on Paradise. The producers salivate at the mere thought of her character bringing drama to the show
i think it’s just bc of how easy they can manipulate him
You KNOW Shanae will be in BIP
That Shayne Clayton comparison was eerily accurate
Like seriously eerie
shayne was dealing with a woman he liked not opening up plus a woman he moved onto insulting him at times and his father passing away
Very eye-opening! Also shows the differences of editing between those two shows. There seems to be a lot more sugar-coating with Bachelor editing 😬
This was hysterical. Just saying, I was cracking up.
men are defensive and whiny everywhere apparently 😭
“I’m falling in love with 3 women 🤪”
As soon as Susie ends things: “you ruined the process for everyone and I don’t want to do this anymore” uh????? What happened to the other girls you apparently loved???? He treated all 3 of them like trash and Susie did NOT deserve that treatment. I am so sick of this man 😩
He’s always been the worse part of this season...lame. But now he’s also the biggest villain
They are ALL way too good for him.
Yes! More people need to recognize this point! He says Susie ruined everything? Well then Clayton only told those other women he loved them so he could have sex with them.
Such a good point.
He just wanted to sleep with the other two and Susie was his top choice. It's sad. Now if either of them chose him, then idk.
If he truly loved her like he said he did, he wouldn't have been so quick to end things with her and would have tried to work it out. He has a right to his feelings but so does she, and his reaction was awful. Susie dodged a bullet for real
It seemed like she was ending things since she said she couldn't get past it and he was freaking out because he didn't want to lose her. But he showed basically zero sympathy for the pain she was experiencing and made her feel like she was a horrible person for having her opinions.
@@randomuserwitharandomname6183 exactly!! He switched up so fast!!!
Throughout the whole episode, I kept saying Bachelor Fantake is going to have a field day with this one. I've watched a lot of recaps while waiting for yours, and your recaps are hands-down the best. Not only are they fun to watch, but you perfectly picked apart the situation without being biased. You also took less than 14 minutes to do it. I am impressed! Great job. 👏👏👏
You said it.
YES!
100% agree!
Ditto.
i love that about him.
No better sound than hearing fantake say “This week on the Bachelor.” Welcome back buddy, glad you are doing better
Ditto. Fantake keeps me laughing! I need him so much!
This!
I once read somewhere that you can tell a lot about a person when they don't get what they want. Clayton wanted Susie and couldn't have her and instead of being a gentleman, he was a total jerk. True colours are showing!
Total jerk? I can’t figure out why some folks are slamming Clayton for his reaction to being cut off by Susie so firmly and coldly.
How perfect do you expect him to be in that situation?
People are saying he had a blowout but PLEASE. Have most people not seen what a REAL blow out is like? If not then Bless your hearts.
I don't know, to me this looked more like someone who was really hurt after following what they thought were all the "right" steps. He had no idea Susie had this boundary, and I'd bet money production really pushes the lead to sleep with all of the top 3 as part of the full "process" that "totally works"
I agree
I agree. He was HORRIBLE to her. And it's more than the fact that he slept with the other women. He LIED to them all and made them think he loved them and they were "the one." That's sleeping with someone under FALSE PRETENSES. And then he whined like a baby when Susie didn't fall for his BS. I hope he ends up alone - forever.
@@brownell.landrum He so thought the ladies where at his whim and he could have his cake and eat it, too, so when Susie told him that he power tripped on her.
In my honest opinion, the issue is more so him professing that he’s in love with Susie yet still deciding to sleep with the other two women. If he knew he was in love with her he wouldn’t have slept with the other two women. That’s not rocket science, it’s just common sense. Just because you sign up to be on a show with the POSSIBILITY of sex doesn’t mean that you have to partake in it. Granted, Susie could’ve told him sooner that it was a dealbreaker. She didn’t expect him to tell her he’s in love with her on their date. He got caught red handed and couldn’t handle the repercussions. I do believe production purposely had Susie go last. But honestly production was low key looking out for her because regardless of the order the dates went in, it still says a lot about his character considering the fact that he knew he ultimately wanted her but was willing to jeopardize it, just to get one off. And his reaction was unwarranted. It just revealed his true character.
She could've said something but a man who is in love and wants the telationship to work out wouldn't have done this. Nick Viall even drew reference to his FS and though it was uncomfortable chose not to sleep with the other women because he knew he wanted Vanessa. This fool thought it was a good idea to sleep with them and proclaim his love. But if he knew she was his final, he didn't need to explore with the other women.
EXACTLY.
I feel after his night with the others he decided that he wanted Susie because he knew she was a smart and good woman and not the type that sleep around but he wanted to try the other ladies out I feel they were weak and stupid to be that desperate for someone from a tv show.
@@Change2be1 ew wtf.
@@Change2be1 I'm sorry but the ladies are not to be blamed. He held all the cards and most leads have a track of not telling EVERYONE they love them. They decided based on the information they were given and believed they were it. Gabby was fine with him exploring the physical side it's the lying and being in love with all of them that seems to be the issue. The seem to have genuine emotion for him. That does not make them desperate
Before this season I was so up for giving Clayton a fair shot. But dang the casting agents read him well enough to know he would provide another awful season.
Now we know why all Matt James said all season was...thanks for sharing that with me. Production had nothing to use against him. LOL
Matt looks more and more sympathetic with time.
just fantasising what a rodney season couldve looked like right about now :(
Oh, yes, they deprived us and him!!!
So so so agree!!! Rodney would have beenThe Best💜💜💜
Adorable and completely boring
@@CharliEdwards At least the drama would have come from the ladies and not our leading man who we’re supposed to root for 😂
You were on point. Its "not being an ass about it" that makes difference. How you handle situation shows intent and intent matters. Thoughts or philosophies can be different but the intent with which you convey shows everything.
THANK YOU for pointing out how Clayton brought his "faith" into it.
If he was sOoooOoOo strong in his "faith", he would have never slept with anyone--let alone 2 girls on consecutive days--before marriage.
I mean, that's what the Bible says, right??
You'd think he'd know that if he ever opened one up 🙄
Now I'm not shaming anyone for their personal choices regarding their sex life, but I absolutely hate it when "Christians"--or any religious person, for that matter--deliberately disobey the values of said religion and continue to live out their life in ignorance.
You can't just selectively pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to listen to.
It just doesn't work like that 🤦♀
That's what also bugged me about Hannah B.'s season.
This this this
amen Julia, amen
Let me go against my faith for a minute cuz I really need to say the man is a c*nt
Yes!
Him screaming I love you to both Gabi and Rachel in the exact same way made my skin crawl 😂
I think there's something to say about the lead holding back their feelings until a certain time. We saw twice just within the last year how it can blow up. Katie said she wouldn't tell anyone she loved them until they were engaged, which lead to the Katie v Greg debacle. Clayton mentioned Serene taught him to not hold back his emtions. and you could argue if he expressed himself sooner, Susie would have expressed her deal breakers sooner.
It seems to me that when leads hold back their feelings to the contestants, the lead misses out on a huge chunk of information that will help them make their final decision.
👏👏 yes
Yes, I agree...but in holding back, Katie got to see Greg's true colors when he doesn't INSTANTLY get the validation he wants. And Colton revealed his own standards and morals (or lack thereof) by not knowing Susie's desires so it shows their natural incompatibility rather than if he had acted in one way just to please her...cuz that shiny image stuff wears off after marriage and you need to know who you really are marrying. Games of pretend don't last.
Just saying, there are advantages to either way.
you could also make the opposite point though, if were already mad about Clayton telling his F3 that he loves how much worse would it have been earlier, he may have told even more women
i completely agree! on becca kufrin's podcast (bachelor happy hour) she talked about how this is a rule that's placed on the lead by production, and it is definitely in place to cause drama.
Can we talk about how loosely he’s throwing around the word love to every single one of them?? I feel awful for these women.
That's what a player does...
because this is what he does because he can't get a woman on his own without saying what they want to hear, after he slept with Gabby and Rachel he walked away yelling the same thing to both of them and laughing how he got them to sleep with him it show him how easy they were.
I think the word lust works best.
susie should have voiced her boundaries sooner but that’s not the issue. regardless of what she did/didn’t do, nothing warranted clayton’s blowout! he was awful to her, completely disrespectful and nasty. he owes her an apology big time.
if he really loved susie the most, like he said he did, there was absolutely no reason for him to sleep with the other women. he just wanted to get laid, plain and simple.
thank you for your hard work fantake, glad you’re feeling better!
Exactly. Thank you for this. His outburst toward someone he claimed to “love the most” because he didn’t get the response from her he wanted to get screamed emotional abuse. He said what he said to hurt her at the end of the day and that is f-ed up. There is no excuse for his behavior.
@@annahayden yes!! precisely this. nobody is shaming him for having sex, that’s his choice and that’s fine. but his outburst directed toward susie was so uncomfortable to watch. there’s no excuse for it.
Ahmen!!
@@melissa-ov6qv yes! He instead shamed her for being upset and feeling heartbroken over his actions? Like wtf how does that make any sense? Treating someone the way he did is just repulsive.
@@melissa-ov6qv totally…but tbh their talk was 3 hours and they picked out 10 minutes of it, as well as made several cuts. If you recorded all of our big, relationship-ending fights, I’m sure it would look somewhat similar. Add to that the fact that this is completely a different environment than what is usual, you can’t expect a person to be perfect. If you listen to kaitlyn bristowes podcast I feel like it was explained very well. I seriously hate I’m defending Clayton but the hate he’s getting is not warranted…
I'm always amazed at how bad Clayton deals with even the tiniest bit of conflict. Throughout the entire season! The emotional maturity of a teenager!
No part of this needed to be a fight, he can sleep with whoever he wants and Suzie can feel however she wants to feel,
now you know why he always walked away
We already knew Clayton was totally emotionally deficient thanks to his constant walking away during conflict and the way he's talked down coldly to a few of the women when deciding to send them home. What happened to Susie shouldn't really have come as a surprise, he already showed us who he is deep down when the chips have fallen. What he did to Susie is called DARVO - Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. It's basically the psychological term for "playing the victim", especially so effectively that the true injured party ends up being the one to apologize for THEIR behaviour even if they did nothing wrong (as we saw from Susie). It's a favourite tool of narcissistic abuser. I'm not necessarily saying that describes Clayton but the show supposedly does extensive psychological screening - how tf did they not catch a man with such low empathy for women who minutes before he professed to love?? As soon as things end he flips the switch and withholds any compassion or regard for them. It's frankly chilling.
I think he’s emotionally Immature and is a product of some toxic masculinity traits of don’t have feelings be angry when sad. Sleep with woman to be vulnerable. He is acting narcissistic sometimes and has an ego but I Donny think he’s a narcissist or we atleast don’t have enough info to diagnose him
He projected past pain on her.if you actually love someone you would want them to be happy you wouldn’t treat the, like Clayton did when letting her go. We also saw his reaction to teddy’s cpnfession, which was speculation at the time but this sort of shows that the ppls salting him were rightfully
The producers choose these people with psychological issues on purpose to create drama.
Thank you for explaining the difference between Hannah’s situation and this one! Thank you!
How about Hannah brown sleeping with multiple men have made the final 3 men in her season feel ? Is she also a bad woman ?
@@vivvelsene63 Clayton is getting all this hate because of his reaction. Not because he slept with the other women
You don’t treat people you “love” like that. This is all B.S.
He’s shocked they he can’t just sleep with three women, tell them each that he’s in love with them, pick one, and have there be no repercussions?
Then he gaslights Susie to make her feel like it is all her fault? She shouldn’t be apologizing.
Run Susie! You don’t want a guy that reacts with so much anger or simply walks away from conflict when he feels on the defensive. Ick. Frankly, Clayton grosses me out. There must be something about Clayton that doesn’t portray on the screen, because I am just not understanding why he was chosen as Bachelor or why these women are attracted to him. Yes, I agree that him saying that about his faith was a low blow and he lost what little respect from me when he said that. I am proud of how classy and mature Susie handled herself.
I was getting a bit irritated by the way he always licked his lips, esp before he kissed anyone. Kinda gross.
Glad you are feeling better Fantake! Your videos are always worth the wait!
Super glad you skipped the WTA, that just seemed like a waste of time. I swear, the producers must be licking their lips in glee about all the new drama. I swear, being a lead on this and the bachelorette is terrifying; between the potentially horrible edits, producer shenanigans, constant distrust contestants are there for the wrong reasons, isolation, toxic fans, and who knows what else! At least it pays, I guess. Glad you're doing ok and thank goodness for your videos.
Sorry Susie was hurt but she really lucked out here✌🏽(update) now AFR not so sure . Hope they get counseling or he does.
Honestly Ben Higgins screwed things up for all of the next bachelors by saying "I love you" to two women and ending up with his winner and not getting too much backlash because it felt like he really was feeling things for both. Since his season, the "saying I love you to multiple people" has become a tired trope that leads to nothing but useless drama and seasons that go down the drain. Clayton just thought he would make even better TV by saying I love you to three women although it's completely ridiculous and the only things he shares with them is lust...
Ben was the only one I believed when he said "I love you" to both women. Everyone after that has said it just because of the pressure to keep the relationships going. I wish they could make it a rule where the lead isn't allowed to say that anymore, it's ruined so many seasons.
I think Ben was the first one to say ILY (to even one person), before the others were eliminated.
But are we ready surprised at how well he communicated based on him leaving any mildly tense situation the rest of the season?
It's also so funny to me if Susie becomes the bachelorette because then we'll basically have had both Hannah and Colton as leads and now Clayton and Susie and they all look the same, it's bizarre
Wait...that's not Hanna? Who's Susie. Lol
But Hannah was actually interesting🤔 Gabby for Bachelorette
While I would prefer Gabby (or Serene) after watching the first part of the date today, a season with Susie wouldn’t really be that bad.
Also Susie doesn’t really look like Hannah B that much, she looks more like the Christian singer Hollyn.
@@highway2heaven91 I really think Susie is a Hannah knock off. I didn't think so till she started saying she's a "beast" Then I was like ooohhhh this girl studied to get Bachelorette. You're right though, Serene would also make an interesting lead!
LOL they really do look like siblings
Clayton's sincerely held belief that he should never have to experience negative consequences from his actions is a thing to behold. Like, dude, that's life. Grow up.
I honestly didn’t think your edits could get any better, literally they are all flawless, but this one is... chef’s kiss💋💋💋💋
The comparison of Clayton and Shane was amazing! 👏👏👏
I can't believe he blamed her. And I can't believe she apologized.
Absolutely despise how he blamed her for his actions. You were so spot on BF. “I’m not trying to place any blame on you, BUT…” then proceeds to blame her for everything he did? Disgusting. Gross. Nope. Do not like that boy. Not at all.
I wasn’t really bothered by this. He declared his love and then was dumped. How composed can he be at that point? It’s a heated crushing argument
@@shanandananscoo if you love someone you don’t treat them that way and blame them for your own actions. There is absolutely no excuse for how he behaved.
I agree. She did the right thing. It almost came across as gaslighting. Dude she doesn’t want someone who has to put his D!&$ in two other people to know she’s the one. Have standards for your self and the people around you.
@@tyejones431101 right, and she shouldn’t be shamed for her choices and standards - no one should be. She was crushed in that moment too hearing him say I love you the most but by the way yesterday and the day before I slept with the other two and told them I loved them too. Her feelings are valid and she does not deserve to be blamed for his actions then shamed for being upset. If she had shamed him? It would be a different story. But it was him who shamed her. Not ok no matter who does it. If he needed to do and say what he did and said with the other women then he also needs to accept the consequences of his actions without tearing her down and trying to hurt her. That is not love, and it was not ok.
@@neonorange44 It was TOTALLY gaslighting. It was invalidating her feelings and then blaming her and treating her like she's crazy. That's the pure definition of gaslighting.
Thank you for always giving us your best Fantake, please know it does not go unnoticed nor unappreciated. You bring so much joy and peace with your recaps. I am so happy you are recovering, I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers
Having sat through all 4 hours of Bachelor content this week, I can honestly say that I wish I'd just watched this video. Bachelor Fantake is all the Bach content I need 😍
P.S. I'm glad you're feeling better! Keep taking care of yourself.
imo if Susie had told him beforehand he still would have been upset with her. Maybe not as emotionally charged as he was here. But none the less, he’d be mad.
Great point!
First two minutes? Chef’s kiss.
I agree completely with your points-it is impossible to have absolutes regarding this show. The set up from jump is complicated. But if Clayton knew he was in love with Susie then he should have acted accordingly. However he took advantage of the “Bachelor Perks” without realizing that these are real people who have real feelings. Because honestly, each of those women thought they were the only one. Susie is not going to be the only one devastated at the end of this.
Also- it feels to me-in my opinion- that Clayton was going for the ILY+Fantasy Suite Triple Crown. And he was probably mad that Susie prevented him from achieving this.
The worst part of the Clayton/Susie convo imo was that he turned it into “YOU [Susie] aren’t fighting for this relationship, YOU don’t care enough!”
That was such a red flag because like… that’s like the exact thing that cheaters say when they get caught and try to salvage the relationship from their consequences - their partner is the one that isn’t trying and isn’t committed to the relationship because they won’t just roll over and IMMEDIATELY forgive them (or let themselves be worn down into dropping the issue by a barrage of excuses and justifications) for their actions and betrayal!
I’m not saying that Clayton ACTUALLY cheated, that’s not really how this show works and I don’t think that’s a fair assessment of the situation.
However, his argument is EXACTLY what cheaters mindsets are, and that’s a really, REALLY big red flag for a long-term relationship imo.
He would be unwilling to take any responsibility for the things he does that hurt his partner, and emotionally blackmail them if he wasn’t getting off the hook immediately and allowed to do whatever he wants.
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This is the only RUclips notification I click on immediately! Glad you’re feeling better BFT! Best wishes on your recovery!
The breakup scene between Clayton and Susie is SO chopped up! Really makes me think they talked about some other important things that were cut out. My theory is that Clayton maybe read Susie's breakup as a planned play to get Bachelorette? (I really don't think that, but from some of Clayton's recent interviews, it seems he was worried about this issue in general) You should check out Dear Shandy's episode on this, they go into it more!
Doesnt excuse him acting like a total jerk to her
Exactly what happened
Yeah I think Clayton said something about this on the Almost Famous podcast
Oh that’s actually interesting. So he had this insecurity about her but was also “the most in love with her”… feels very immature and red flag on his part 😬🚩🚩
Susie 10000000% percent went on the show to get Bachelorette. She felt he was into her and suddenly she's like ooooh I need an out
I do not want to shame Clayton for having sex, however, if he truly knew that he wanted Susie to be his final pick, which seems like the case, it seems a bit messed up to sleep with the two other women and tell them he was falling in love. Not necessarily bc of Susie, but because it seems like a situation where he would hurt both Rachel and Gabby more than he needed to.
How about Hannah brown sleeping with multiple men have made the final 3 men in her season feel ? Is she also a bad woman ? Seems most of you women were bouying her to have sex with as many men as she could at that time.
@@christaggart5687 I agree that this would have been the best course of action since she definitely set herself up for disappointment with how she went about this. But I think she didn't feel like it was fair to give him an ultimatum and also maybe didn't realize that it would truly be a dealbreaker until that moment.
@@christaggart5687 she didn’t seem to realize this until after final fantasy week started. Also to be fair if you think about it Colton also could of communicated to each of the girls that he might sleep with all of them or be open to that that way they can be fully aware of what their getting into before sleeping with him. That would be the only respectful way to sleep with all of them.
@@christaggart5687 Some people don't need (good) morals "communicated" to them. She wanted to marry one of those people. Get it? She got her information on Clayton's true un-ultimatumed morals, and now she won't have to waste more time and heartbreak on him, or get cheated on down the line.
@@vivvelsene63 How about Clayton being very angry with Cassidy for having a f****buddy and not being ok with it and sending her home?
Never forget: the producers orchestrated this with terrifying precision. They knew how Susie felt. They probably discouraged her from telling Clayton. They pushed Clayton to say that he loved everhone. And then they put Susie last. Also if you notice his angry looks, he's looking at the producers and some of his answers seem like answers to their questions edited to be to Susie. I also think he accused Susie of using him to be bachelorette but they cut it out. This show has always been about making TV, but there was some semblance of romance. They have completely given up on that, especially keeping all the contestants together for the overnight dates.
Yea this situation has been happening for a while now. It happened a few seasons ago too.
Definitely his choice to sleep with the women. And susie should know this. It’s always implied that the choice is there. But I’m confused by WHY he chose to sleep with both of them, and probably trying to sleep with Susie. If you want a monogamous relationship with the one woman at the end, then it would make sense to just wait. Unless you’re rating them and using sex as a feature to make your decision which is just weeeeird. Exploring your physical connection is a cop out in my opinion. Along with her saying, she wanted to leave if he was in love with someone else. Would you want that? Im torn. I feel like I get why you’d ask. But at the same time I feel like… you shouldn’t ask it because you KNOW it’s an option especially if the other women are down for it. I really feel like Clayton felt like they were going to edit some of his I love yous out lol.
He was extremely rude and disgusting. I don’t believe he truly loved Susie the most, because you wouldn’t treat her like that. He’s so annoyed because he thinks she made him look bad, and he did that all in his own.
Clayton shouting his declarations of love to Rachel and Gabby the morning after their overnights grossed me out. He is such a cornball 😫
Right. It isn’t a requirement of the show that you have to “fall in love” with the remaining contestants and have sex with them
They shouted it first. What was he supposed to do, leave them hanging on TV, right after boffing them?
@@vanillaghetto Not true, they both didn't shout it out first.
@@bori80 Rachael and Gabby, dumbazz.
At least from what I’ve seen, Susie did a good job framing her boundaries and expressing her feelings without telling Clayton he was wrong to fall in love with or sleep with the other women.
Clayton was not able to do that. “I need someone who can believe me when I choose them despite just telling others I’m in love with them” is very different than “you ruined it”
Early on I wondered if Clayton was actually polyamorous, but if so his communication is so terrible he’d fail at poly too.
Plenty of people are Poly and practice it badly. The show is toxic putting monogamous people in these situations. Clayton probably feels love for them all, has ideas of a monogamous future, and lacks experience with navigating full poly relationships.
I didn’t like how Susie seemingly expected him to be a mind reader. I had a serious partner and ended up on a date with someone else, and things were possibly escalating so I immediately called the partner and asked if it was okay and he said yes… then when I saw him again he got all angry and butthurt about the situation. So yeah, it’s a really annoying thing when people tell you about a boundary after the fact and it ends up ruining a good relationship. Also annoying is the show doing a thing where they cause this fight to occur on camera, when they could just go to the fantasy suite and talk about it? Idk
Honestly I'm more excited for these fantake videos than the actual episodes. Love your work!
Production should be chewed out by fans for how this season unraveled I mean does anybody really believe Susie gotta the final fantasy suite date by accident?
They seem to always put the person who will struggle the most with fantasy suites last
@@ritachambers782 yeah on purpose just to screw everything up but hey it’s drama so they love it!
It has been quite a while since I've cringed so much at the final three.
Man did he mess this up spectacularly.
Just the fact that Rachel said "I'm sorry in advance" shows that Clayton made her and Gabby think they were the one when clearly they weren't. That was what made me more mad than anything that happened with Susie. Just how stupid he was with those two and how out of all the ways it wasn't going to go well, he somehow managed to pick the worst option imaginable.
And yes, I 100% agree that there is nothing wrong with sleeping with other people as long as you're not an ass about it or being uncomfortable with it as long as you're not an ass about it. This is why I'm not blaming Susie whereas I fully blamed Luke P. He brought Hannah's faith into it and told her she wouldn't be loved by anyone if she had or that she would be less of a woman of faith if she did sleep with someone else which is really vile. And where Clayton loses me is where he places all the blame on Susie and uses his faith to shame her further.
But either way, the real victims here are Rachel and Gabby and he really screwed both of them over.
It's like Clayton watched Katie and Greg's feud and decided to emulate the worst aspects of both parties in that argument. Has he learned nothing?
Yes, he has learned nothing. And, he has said that looking back at his season, he wouldn't change any of his behavior. Again, sadly, he has learned Nothing.
Yes Clayton can sleep with whoever he wants to and shouldn't be shamed for it...but Susie is heard saying that if you knew you loved me why than sleep with someone., which I agree...And I am also super surprised hearing him saying that he is in love with her the most. Was that to convince her to sleep with him (which I suspect it is. Seeing she needed more convincing). He had the most (what was shown) chemistry with Rachel...Anyway love your video's and as the Dutch say beterschap 🤗❤
I feel he said I love you to all 3 women so that he can sleep with them. Susie needed convincing so he had to tell her I love you the most. What a total jerk. He dont deserve no one.
So Clayton tells all three women “I love you” but Suzie I love you the most? So how do you think the other two women will feel when they find out? I love you by 30% more. Ha! You treated Suzie so bad and didn’t respect her opinion and you blame her??? Sorry but you’ve now become the least favorite bachelor.
I agree with Clayton's dad in the preview, he is blaming someone else ,and he is grasping at straw Susie dodged a bullet!!!.
I’ve been waiting for this!! Hope you are getting better each day
I thought he was a player in the beginning - it's obvious now. This show has really tanked - but I love these reviews!! Be well 💜🙏
I haven't seen all the videos from what happened with Clayton, but I actually gasped out loud at some of the things he said to Susie. What a disaster. And he was So. Mean. Ugh.
I was waiting for you to comment on this episode and I was not disappointed!! You are so so good at understanding a situation and making sense of a mess in a few sentences! Clayton has the right to choose to sleep with the women and not be shamed for it and Susie has the right to not be on board with that decision, BUT what he did then, it’s pure gaslighting and you cannot tell me otherwise. He’s putting the whole blame on her, saying stuff like „I don’t recognize you anymore“, „You’ve invalidated the whole experience“, „I don’t want to put the blame on you BUT“. It’s toxic and he’s making her feel at fault, invalidating her opinion and feelings and I’m so so furious watching these scenes. I hope he is single now, because he has a LOT to learn before he can lead a healthy relationship with respect on both sides.
Btw I still cannot believe that they chose Clayton to be the bachelor in the first place. I’m so tired of these Bachelor-seasons that are a complete trainwreck, not to mention that Michelle’s season had so many great guys with so much potential! I’m really disappointed in the show at this point..
I have mixed feelings because I see both perspectives. I also feel that there is so much production does to sabotage the lead to get a dramatic ending. If Susie would have gone first, I wonder how things would have played out. Also, I think it’s out of line to send hate mail to Clayton or anyone in general. In a podcast, Clayton mentioned that people got a hold of his phone number and email and he was getting really nasty messages telling him to die. To me that’s extreme. Yes, he messed up, but no one deserves that amount of harassment and hate. Especially when production had a lot to do with how things played out.
I agree that it's not what they individually choose as their values and boundaries but how they express it. The way Clayton chose to treat her with total disrespect of her boundaries and vulnerability is sad to watch. I haven't been down on Clayton all season. Even when he handled things poorly in the house with the women. I can understand not getting the full story and being confused. But this one is hard for me to turn away from. His disrespect and lack of kindness is shocking. I hope truly that he has remorse and grows from it, as Fantake wisely pointed out breakups can bring out the worst in people, this was pretty bad.
Thank you so much for these videos. You’re not feeling well yet you take the time to entertain us. I just want you to know it’s truly appreciated. Feel better soon. 😁
Susie's words at the end are my main reason to be on Susie's side. Clayton is all "I' am in love with you", "I am te most in love with you", and when Susie tries to explain why She's no ok sharing is feelings with other woman - and actually is with other women, he flips and goes from "I'm the most in love with you" to "I did love you" and "I'm done, I'll walk you out" is evidence that it wasn't actual love.
He could have said "Let's have time to think about it" "I'll let you decide if you want to stay and choose us" or sort of.
This was his chance to prove his love and be kind to her, to acknowledge her feelings of discomfort and even though she said that she can't get pass that, still give her the time and space to cool down and think. Instead, he chose to be a jerk.
So, to me is not about whether he slept with the two other women, but how he treated Susie after she expressed her feelings.
It's just another messy break up, a la Katie and Gregg,
I just hope at the end he's not trying to go back to her.
I can't watch this show anymore but I live for these recaps. Thank you for your service.
Glad you connected this with the Hannah Brown thing while also acknowledging the differences! I felt the saaaaaame
So happy you are feeling better. IMA little guilty that I still want these updates from you :) IDK how you have the energy to find those great cllips you edit in but they make my week! Keep taking care of yourself - lots of positive energy is being sent to you by your fans.
So glad Susie escaped an even more serious relationship with Clayton!
She dodged a bullet!!
she should have stuck to datign sites
Maybe she dodged a bullet. That would’ve been great but I think she’s coming back next week.
Clayton got lucky. She is discounting this man's season. It his. He has other relationships. She has this Disney midset of "its all about me" maam you're 28! Those eggs are drying up. Life ain't perfect.
Your editing of this video is epic! 😂That Clayton/Susie v. Shayne/Nathalie 😂 Not to mention your "fake out" with Colton coming to terms with his "feelings" ... that I ❤you and huge GRIN for every girl. 🤦 I'm dead! 🤦
This channel is how I watched this whole season. I dont feel like I've missed anything, thanks for the hard work!
Biggest lesson for future bachelors, pick one! You can open your heart to a few but only give your heart to one. And if you decide to sleep with them all don’t except their to be a free pass with no consequences.
Agree and another lesson, don't be dumb enough to say the same lines to all three of the women, especially on pubic television...lol
you always have nuanced takes on things and it's SO refreshing and nice to listen to. I feel similarly about the FS situation and I think you did such a good job discussing it
You sound better this week! I hope you are feeling better and get all the way better soon!
We love you and hope you are continuing to get well! Thanks for the recap!!!
I’m glad you brought up the Clayton and Susie stuff and compared it to Hannah and Luke. Two similar situations but the reactions make a world of a difference.
I’m going to be honest I don’t like Clayton as the bachelor at all but I love your recaps always watch them more than the show itself!
Also are you going to do The Courtship on nbc?! it’s like the bachelor meets Bridgerton. I would watch your videos on it!!
I’m going to be checking it out this weekend! If it’s sparks something in me I might do a video when it’s finished 🙂
"If you really love somebody. . "
SO typical a line for cheater. Sounds like whoever gets stuck with him will get a lying cheater. I'm beginning to feel he and Shanae belongs together and all 3 of final ladies deserve better than Clayton!
What i got from Clayton's side just off this recap is that Clayton was going to propose to Susie but he wanted to fluck the other two first. Got it. Glad im just recapping this season with you instead of watching the actual show
Your recap was the best!!!! Your analysis and explanation of what went down with Susie and Clayton was perfect!!! Well worth the wait:)
I love your point that you do not need to be an ass about it!!! Love is about action Clayton. Treat people you profess to love with love, protection, care for their feelings, respect, empathy, kindness and courtesy. A real man wants to protect the woman he is in love with as soon as he is in love! He does not know what love is.
Susie is amazing when she asked questions. It just helps her know if his character and actions are what she wants in a man.
If Clayton really is “in love with all three women”, then why does one leaving cause this visceral of a reaction? It should help him narrow it down a little, yes? Kind of gives off the vibe that he was telling the first two women what he thought they would want to hear to sleep with them, but actually had Susie as his first pick… 🧐
Glad you are feeling better, Bachelor Fantake!! Love your recaps!
There you are! I was worried. I need to know your opinion on this disaster
just needed to express how much I appreciate your take on everything. The last part of this video is completely on point and looks at everything through a compassionate lens while holding assh0les accountable. Everyone is allowed to make their own choices and have their boundaries, but to shame someone into feeling that awful for having those boundaries shows that he feels entitled to getting what he wants and that he's able to manipulate a conversation so that she ends up apologizing to him. I've seen multiple friends stuck in bad situations because their partner used similar tactics to keep them there.
I love that bachelor fantake has the same cynical love/hate relationship with the franchise as I do and I hope you are recovering well and getting the rest you need king!!
Well, guess they're FINALLY right about this season being the most dramatic season ever.
Honestly, Pilot Pete’s and the Barb Cam takes the cake for me still
My friend your editing continues to blow me away. You always have the perfect reaction clip for every situation and you never miss!
Also I remember Maddie Prewitt was shamed by Peter’s mom for giving an “ultimatum.” “How dare you give him an ultimatum?!” - Peter’s Mom. So maybe Susie watched that season and felt like she couldn’t share her dealbreaker because people would shame her for doing it. It is a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation.
And at least Peter owned it, while he still did sleep with the others, he understood her feelings and did not blame her for doing what was best for her.
@@tulip5210 Yesss. Even though he was angry at first he gave Maddie a tearful and heartfelt hug goodbye.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 my favorite take I’ve heard yet. And a pretty hilarious recap too. Hope you’re doing well and healing! Thank you for sharing
Exactly what you said. It's not sleeping with people the problem, it's saying it was her fault and treating her so coldly that bothered me. On the other hand I'm waiting to see what he has to say about it. I believe we can all be asses sometimes, but he'd better make it right to Susie who absolutely didn't deserve to feel that way.
What bothered me even more was him telling all three women the same bull shit lines just to get them in the sack. I have no sympathy for him.
@@bori80 yeah that wasn't good at all. "I'm feeling things for you I haven't felt in ages, but I'm falling for you", next morning screaming "i love you/ I'm falling in love!!". Those moments must have felt so special to the women, and then they learned he did the same to all three. I want to give him the benefit if the doubt, but it's not a good look.
I have to confess for the past year I haven’t watched a single bachelor episode. I always only and only watched your recaps. But this week I had to watch it cuz I couldn’t find a quality recap to listen to and I gotta say it pained me sitting through the whole hour and made me appreciate your recaps 10000% more! I hope you have a speedy recovery, your amazing 💓
He blamed Suzie for not wanting to stick around and fight for their relationship, but in the end, he's the one who gave up. Suzie's parting words spoke volumes. She is so much more mature than he is. Suzie for the next bachelorette!
You are right about everything as per usual, so happy to hear your take on how it all went down, I'm so glad this season is almost over.
There you are! I have to say I was getting a little worried. Hope you're doing better BFT.
Maybe it’s time to do away with Fantasy Suites a week or so before engagement. Unless everyone is on board it just seems like a recipe for drama. Have the parents and family meet the final 3, and help pare down to the final two. Spend the last week on final day long dates with the final two before the decision. You keep the suspense and romance while getting rid of stuff like that.
We really thought it couldn't get worse than Peter, remember that 💀😂😂😂
Us after Peter's season: Worst Bachelor season ever. Can't get worse than that.
Production: Hold my beer...
I’m glad you’re feeling better! I’d never miss a Fantake vid!
He literally did a 360 on her and said "Im walking you out" when she's the one that is about to walk him out. This whole season is the reverse bachelor.
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I haven't watched this season at all but I'm not missing any of your videos for any reason! Speedy recovery and thanks for doing what you do!!
Listen I’m a married woman but the crush I have on you for not only your sense of humor but your INCREDIBLE stances on these difficult circumstances is insane. You’re all of our boyfriend now and I hope you recover quickly.