Bruce's range is most definately not wider. Halford has a range of D2-C#6, and to G#6 in whistle reg. Kiske's is C2-A5, where's Bruce's is E2-B5, with some fry C#s. Power is really hard to define, but Kiske has the best resonance of the three, and Bruce may have the best projection, though Halford is close. And you need to hear more Kiske if all you think he does is scream. Watch my videos of him if you need to.
About Dickinson, the F#5 is has a lot of strain on it. The B doesn't have the same amount of strain even though its much higher which should make it incredibly strained. Also compare the last note of WED to the one at the end of Icarus. If you can't tell the difference in the tone, timbre and strain, then you really shouldn't be talking about people's full voice range.
Yeah Porto Algere. And I will bet you. The original studio note is G5, and this doesn't even get close. As far as I can tell, that's the exact same scream he's been using in Number, Run to the Hills, and Aces High for the last 10 years.
The thing with that is, even though BTW is much better than the studio version, Birth Ritual is on par with its studio version, which is much better than BTW to begin with. Still, very close I think.
Yeah they are. Halford has an enormous range, Kiske has better control over his registers, they both have generally more voice control. They're all about the same in vibrato, but Dickinson does have one of the best tones and some of the best phrasing in the eintire genre, even though those aren't really technical aspects.
Dude, yes it was. Its been checked several times but very trustworthy sources. The sixth octave is not this mythical, unobtainable thing like you seem to think it is. Plenty of males have reached it and even sang in it.
Me thinking he has the best voice is completely subjective, simply my opinion. But though I love his voice, I can see objectively that there are plenty of singers technically better. That doesn't mean their voices sound any better, just that they can do more with it.
I believe Bruce's full ends at F#, and even that's sketchy for me, but that's what most people better with pitch than I have concluded. And again, C# doesn't count, but whatever. Technical skill in singing is made up of breath support, blending and switching of registers, consistency throughtout the registers, sustain, vibrato control, diction, volume control, use of range, projection, versatility and resonance. Pitch too, but that's a given with singers of this caliber.
The live versions, the studio doesn't have any particularly high notes. No that is not a fact, he has a very strong falsetto, but there is an obvious difference in tonality and timber from his head voice. Okay maybe not obvious but its there.
I never noticed how long those were. Impressive. Course not very high, but still impressive. And no, that is G#6 at the end of Love Bites, I've had it verified by a few different people who are completely reliable in these matters. And B5 is not head voice. *That* would be ridiculous. There's an obvious switch over into falsetto for Bruce starting at G5, less obvious at F#. That's why whenever he goes for those notes its always a screams with plenty of drive.
Falsetto is not part of full range, but saying it doesn't count in vocal range at all is silly. Especially when you use Bruce's C# which is fry, and not a legitimate vocal style like falsetto is. And Bruce's full voice stops around F#, though he has hit at least one G (Where Eagles Dare live) that has been disputed as full, but that was probably an isolated incident.
He can't sing it, he can say it. There is a difference. And then if you count fry and spoken notes, Barlow whispered a C2 in Arise/Year of the Phoenix, which is a semitone lower anyway.
No best the term "best" is very subjective. Some people's favorite singer is Kurt Cobain, he's who they would identify as the best voice, but most if not all of them could concede that he isn't a very skilled vocalist. If you were to ask me (as you pretty much mean to) who is truly the most talented singer period, it comes down to singer like Jackie Wilson and Freddie Mercury, whose voices I enjoy but are not voices I identify much with.
C#2? Where is that at? I've only heard the E. Well, this is completely subjective but my top ten would be like 1. Matt Barlow 2. Bruce Dickinson 3. Hansi Kursch 4. Michael Kiske 5. Tarja Turunen 6. Dio 7. Roy Khan 8. Daniel Gildenlow 9. Tate 10. Halford
They have hit much higher. I don't like Coverdale's and I personally wouldn't count it if collecting his range, but Plant has done sixth octave screams several times. And Dickinson's B5 is not full voice. Halford does git G#6 in whistle twice, and it has been verified by very reliable sources. Rock singers make it above D6 plenty of times. And that last part sounds true, but when did Bruce do that?
You know what fry is right? Its not considered singing. It'd be like counting the range of a black metal vocalist who can do all those crazy guttural growls and screams as a 4-octavian.
Yes the C#2 is fry, I don't know how you could miss that. Even if it wasn't its whispered. Falsetto is not full voice of course, but is still part of singing. Freddie Mercury and Jackie Wilson and all sorts of greats used it alot. And his A5s are not full just because you think they are neither. Take Gangland, listen to the F# at the end, then listen to the As and B earlier in, and notice the difference in tonality and the difference in strain.
King uses almost entirely falsetto. But moving on. Son of a Gun is an interesting choice. Dickinson's voice (to me) is much better than Halford's, even if he's not as technically skilled. Barlow is my favorite right now, but I tend to go back and forth between the two.
@onepolej @onepolej Just because they can't replicate it live doesn't mean they can't do it. That applies to a lot of things. Bruce does a lot of things in studio that he didn't do live, not because he couldn't, but because he chose not to. Freddie Mercury never replicated his high Fs live, but he hit them full in studio tracks. In the studio, you have time to try and reach whatever notes you want to, live is a completely different animal.
@onepolej Means I used tuners to check out what pitch it was, and then ran it by people who are much much much better at it than I am. And it was verified as an E5. Like I said, considerably higher than what I thought just by hearing it. I guess it was all the throat sound. And so far you've been wrong about Halford's C#6, his G#6, and Bruce's E5.
True. That would give him a larger full voice range than Halford at least. I don't know the uploader, but its Montreal 1984. Hard to tell if its falsetto or whistle.
Actually its an E5, so I was wrong in the first place :/ Better than ten years ago? I guess. He really doesn't tend to go for high notes very much, but he sang up to E in The Legacy a few years back which was an accomplishment.
Yes it is, and if you have a 4 octave range I am impressed. I don't know where you get this "falsetto is not part of vocal range" thing from. Never has it been said that falsetto doesn't count. Weren't you talking earlier about how King Diamond had such a huge range
He is though. You'd need to listen to more of him to get the full feel of his voice, cause he doesn't tend to let it all out very much. I latched onto his voice pretty quickly, mostly due to the emotion in it more than even the technical prowess.
I really don't have a talent list. Barlow is just my favorite vocalist and I think he is a great singer. Thats what I meant, sorry if I can be confusing. :P
The updated list is going to be a lot better. I just listened to the Austin '90 version, and it beats any Beyond the Wheel version that I've heard before.
I think this list is going by the high notes that he's hitting that are comparable to the studio versions. That's just my observation. Is the Beyond the Wheel live in Milwaukee on RUclips?
No that's C#6, when he does that rising scale. Then there's are two G#s in whistle after as ad libs. And it is not that rare for males to get into the sixth octave. Mike Patton, Robert Plant, David Coverdale, Thom Yorke, Billy Gibbons and Joe Lynn Turner have done it plenty, amongst others, and not always in whistle neither. Opera singers don't because that's not a necessary part of their technique. Just like they don't go into the mid fifth octave.
I don't know what the guitar playing has to do with it but... I told you, his voice is unusual, or at least the way he uses it is. Lot of variety in his phrasing. Technically, he's very good, whatever you think about him personally I can respect.
Well now I'm not too sure that the C# is fry, just that's its whispery. I dunno, I'll press the matter a little more with someone. I never said anything about live ability. Even then, Halford and Kiske are fantastic live as well, and tend to nail their tougher studio parts which Bruce didn't always back in the day. By those criteria, Bruce beats Halford in resonance, tied with Kiske, beats both in vibrato, ties Halford in sustain, but that's it.
@onepolej No its not. I'm surprised its as high as an E, there's a whole lot of throat. The good news is that that means he's hitting Es pretty consistently still, even if they don't sound very good and he can't sing with it.
I don't see the point, since you don't accept any technical criteria that works against Bruce. He does not have a bigger range than them, falsetto or modal. He does switch registers as well or demonstrate the melismatic ability and breath support they have. Powerful is a very vague term made of many factors. He is more resonant than Halford, but not Kiske. Songwriting and stage presence don't have to do with singing.
Yeah, not as skilled as Halford or Kiske, but pretty high up there. He has a great range, arguably the best of the four (not as wide as theirs, but better utilized), and makes great use of all his registers. His melismatic control is excellent, up there with Bruce, and his volume control is definately the best of the four. And he blends chest and head fantastically as well.
All you did was restate your thesis which I identified in my last post. You still have'nt given any justification or counterargument for any of those things.
Sure, check out Reconciliation, The Big Machine, and Waking Every God. I'll warn you ahead of time though that his style is understated, very subtle in comparison to other big metal singers. Reconciliation especially.
Uh...sorry? His voice appeals to me above even Dickinson, who's an old favorite. I've modelled my own style after his since we are roughly the same tessitura. I haven't put a list together for him yet, partly because I'm waiting for IE to release their new boxset.
...you said Bruce could go two notes higher...I have no idea what you're arguing anymore. Overall top skilled I'll take from DDD 1. Jackie Wilson 2. Adam Lambert (yeah, that one) 3. Freddie Mercury 4. Steve Perry 5. Geoff Tate 6. Michael Kiske 7. John Farnham 8. Steve Balsamo 9. Jeff Buckley 10. Tim Buckley
Oh yeah that. That's fry and is not sung. His singing range is E2-B5. Even so, Barlow can actually sing his low end, and has hit both his highest and lowest notes on more than one occasion, unlike Brucey.
Well we're just gonna go in circles then because I have had the G#6 verified twice by those great with pitch (I didn't find that on my own, someone used it a range video). And Bruce tops full voice in F#5, I explained it and everything. How do you know that Halford ends at F# anyway, being that he blends his head and false together exceptionally well.
That's cool. He does have one of the best-used ranges though, C2-A5 . As in he's sung C2s and A5s comfortably more than once. His high notes are a bit thin, but considering how low his tessitura is, its pretty impressive how well projected his upper 5th octave notes are.
In the grand scheme, he is very skilled. There are still several many singers more skilled that I know of, and surely many others that I don't. But overall, he's still amongst the most skilled.
@onepolej The people who told me that have a good history of pitching and note calculation. And you even admitted earlier that Halford gets a C#6 in Love Bites. I've made my means very clear. You never have provided any backup aside from simply stating "Bruce never used falsetto" or "That not a G6". You've also said that it is impossible for a male to sing in the sixth octave, which is simply ridiculous.
No it doesn't. If you're talking about purely technical skill, Bruce loses to both of them by a good amount. Saying who I think has the best *sounding* voice, is subjective, basically means which one appeals the most to me.
No problem. 1. Child in Time (Concerto for Group and Orchestra) 2. Black Sabbath (Chicago '83) 3. Strange Kinda Woman (Maid in Japan) 4. Roller (BBC '79) 5. No More Cane on the Brazos (Nottingham2002) Sorry it got blocked, this whole feud thing is pissing me off =\
@onepolej Totally, he's just more restrained and laid back. If you don't like him that's fine. He also performs all his tougher parts live. Kiske's great live btw, he did We Got the Right, one of his most difficult songs, and nailed it perfectly, not to mention stuff like How Many Tears and Eagle Fly Free. I have seen some shows where he's not all up to par though, so there's that :P
@onepolej Jowox said that, and then Tarantinomaniac made another video with more notes featuring the rare Love Bites clip, and Jowox commented on the video and agreed. And plenty of rock singers have gone higher than D6. I've listed a whole bunch before. Its just that not all of them are very good/controlled.
I must disagree... Cannot imagine Bruce Dickinson or Ronnie James singing Wave Goodbye, When I'm Down, or other bluesy stuff (though I can clearly imagine Cornell singing Rockin Chair Rock 'N' Roll Blues). The guys would probably FAIL in such an attempt; they are great as rock singers. Cornell is great as a multitalented SINGER. Vibrato and high pitch do not really make a great singer...
@Jakobus367 Yeah those two were compared for placement. I can't remember the reasoning, but eventually Pinkpop was decided to be the more sound performance by someone who is much more knowledgable in Cornell than I :P
I'm familiar with all his solo stuff as well as the Maiden. River isn't one of the tunes I'd point to for great vocal work, but its an awesome song all the same.
Actually, the biggest range is Billy Gibbons (from ZZ Top :S) with F1-B6. Not a very strong range, but its there. Not a very skilled singer neither. I'll be honest, I don't think I could make a most talented list :P I'd probably put someone like Michael Kiske or Daniel Gildenlow or Rob Halford toward the top though. Btw, where is King's A1 and D6?
@MFBueno63 Honestly I should probably take this down cause now the list is completely different. For one we switched out for the Austin '90 version of BTW and #5 is Ticket to Ride from 2010.
I personally really dig the Live Earth Black Hole Sun from 2007 or something. Best performance of Black Hole Sun ever, that end is amazing. And the end of Mailman at their MTV sessions :O!
@onepolej Hearing doesn't have to do with it. From hearing I thought it was much lower. This was through pitching and verification. So far you've been 0 for 3.
@onepolej Well thats subjective :P I think he has a pretty voice when he sings light in head or false, but yeah he doesn't match Bruce. Gildenlow has a more consistent range and control of registers, better volume control, switches registers easier, has slightly better diction, and above all is very versatile. Bruce beats him in vibrato and resonace though, and sustain and the blending of registers are pretty close.
What the hell? No he can't. Bruce's highest is B5, Barlow's is Bb5. Anyway, range doesn't mean anything if you can't use it. Billy Gibbons has a five-octave vocal range, but it sucks. Bruce has only "hit" that C# once very weak and whispery, and B5 only once. Barlow his his C2 once, but his D2s multiple times and much stronger and sustained, plus he's hit Bb5 at least four times.
motorvision - slaves and bulldozers seattle bumbershoot 88 - smokestack lightning rochester new york 94 - jesus christ pose seattle bumbershoot 88 - beyond the wheel some "birth ritual" live
Cornell is naturally more powerfull. Dickinson is a singer (meaning, he s got more technique and better pitch). Cornell pure God goven gift. range Wise please do not kid. cornell s got more. bruce must go into head voice or falsetto to hit the same notes. like it or not it is so. then u may like bruce better. and that s legitimate.
+antonello romano FALSE! Don't know why it took me this long to respond but I just stumbled across this video again and I read your comment. Bruce is a better singer. Chris may have a "wider" range, but he does not have as strong a voice. Listen to Man of Sorrows by Bruce solo and you will see what I mean.
Classically trained singers can get that high. Yma Sumac reached C7, and Mariah Carey has gone to G7. Coverdale got a real scratchy G6, but Turner hit a solid falsetto G#6. Plant has reached almost as high, at F6, but not as strong. Amazing is an odd term, but I like the sound of his voice a lot more than either of them, yes.
@onepolej Enough with this range shit. Having a large range doesn't mean much on its own. On paper Bruce's range seems larger, but he cannot use it all. The desceprency between his highest note and lowest is nearly twenty years, and he could not have done them both in the same time frame. Gildenlow has almost four octaves, and he has the ability to use all of it at any time and has proven it. Aside from that I have already explained exactly how Gildelow's voice is more technically superior.
No one better than Cornell. No one had the range or the song writing ability. Sorry Trent Reznor, your style in music and writing has been the same...forever.
Iron Maiden died when Paul DiAnno left, Bruce Dickinson murdered an awesome metal band with his tone-deaf histrionics, the same way that AC/DC died when Bon Scott died, Brian Johnson forced a good couple of metal albums with the remains but it was in no way AC/DC any more.
you choose bad live videos . just like falsetto on this videos. his new performances are better than this . for example ; beyond the wheel live 2010,...,2015 . on there ; voice is chest voice just like studio performances
One of the best vocalists I've ever heard. In his prime, his range and power was almost unbeatable.
again, no. There is a C# in there, but there are two G#s after that. And they are in falsetto, not whistle, I was wrong.
Bruce's range is most definately not wider. Halford has a range of D2-C#6, and to G#6 in whistle reg. Kiske's is C2-A5, where's Bruce's is E2-B5, with some fry C#s. Power is really hard to define, but Kiske has the best resonance of the three, and Bruce may have the best projection, though Halford is close.
And you need to hear more Kiske if all you think he does is scream. Watch my videos of him if you need to.
About Dickinson, the F#5 is has a lot of strain on it. The B doesn't have the same amount of strain even though its much higher which should make it incredibly strained. Also compare the last note of WED to the one at the end of Icarus.
If you can't tell the difference in the tone, timbre and strain, then you really shouldn't be talking about people's full voice range.
Actually I said Matt Barlow did. And that was an opinion, if you were to ask me completely objective who, I couldn't tell you.
Yeah Porto Algere. And I will bet you. The original studio note is G5, and this doesn't even get close. As far as I can tell, that's the exact same scream he's been using in Number, Run to the Hills, and Aces High for the last 10 years.
The thing with that is, even though BTW is much better than the studio version, Birth Ritual is on par with its studio version, which is much better than BTW to begin with. Still, very close I think.
Yeah they are. Halford has an enormous range, Kiske has better control over his registers, they both have generally more voice control. They're all about the same in vibrato, but Dickinson does have one of the best tones and some of the best phrasing in the eintire genre, even though those aren't really technical aspects.
Dude, yes it was. Its been checked several times but very trustworthy sources. The sixth octave is not this mythical, unobtainable thing like you seem to think it is. Plenty of males have reached it and even sang in it.
Me thinking he has the best voice is completely subjective, simply my opinion. But though I love his voice, I can see objectively that there are plenty of singers technically better. That doesn't mean their voices sound any better, just that they can do more with it.
great voice!
I believe Bruce's full ends at F#, and even that's sketchy for me, but that's what most people better with pitch than I have concluded. And again, C# doesn't count, but whatever.
Technical skill in singing is made up of breath support, blending and switching of registers, consistency throughtout the registers, sustain, vibrato control, diction, volume control, use of range, projection, versatility and resonance. Pitch too, but that's a given with singers of this caliber.
Are you talking about the scream after the slow section? That's not even in the fifth octave.
The live versions, the studio doesn't have any particularly high notes. No that is not a fact, he has a very strong falsetto, but there is an obvious difference in tonality and timber from his head voice. Okay maybe not obvious but its there.
I never noticed how long those were. Impressive. Course not very high, but still impressive.
And no, that is G#6 at the end of Love Bites, I've had it verified by a few different people who are completely reliable in these matters.
And B5 is not head voice. *That* would be ridiculous. There's an obvious switch over into falsetto for Bruce starting at G5, less obvious at F#. That's why whenever he goes for those notes its always a screams with plenty of drive.
Falsetto is not part of full range, but saying it doesn't count in vocal range at all is silly. Especially when you use Bruce's C# which is fry, and not a legitimate vocal style like falsetto is. And Bruce's full voice stops around F#, though he has hit at least one G (Where Eagles Dare live) that has been disputed as full, but that was probably an isolated incident.
He can't sing it, he can say it. There is a difference. And then if you count fry and spoken notes, Barlow whispered a C2 in Arise/Year of the Phoenix, which is a semitone lower anyway.
No best the term "best" is very subjective. Some people's favorite singer is Kurt Cobain, he's who they would identify as the best voice, but most if not all of them could concede that he isn't a very skilled vocalist.
If you were to ask me (as you pretty much mean to) who is truly the most talented singer period, it comes down to singer like Jackie Wilson and Freddie Mercury, whose voices I enjoy but are not voices I identify much with.
C#2? Where is that at? I've only heard the E.
Well, this is completely subjective but my top ten would be like
1. Matt Barlow
2. Bruce Dickinson
3. Hansi Kursch
4. Michael Kiske
5. Tarja Turunen
6. Dio
7. Roy Khan
8. Daniel Gildenlow
9. Tate
10. Halford
They have hit much higher. I don't like Coverdale's and I personally wouldn't count it if collecting his range, but Plant has done sixth octave screams several times. And Dickinson's B5 is not full voice. Halford does git G#6 in whistle twice, and it has been verified by very reliable sources. Rock singers make it above D6 plenty of times.
And that last part sounds true, but when did Bruce do that?
You know what fry is right? Its not considered singing. It'd be like counting the range of a black metal vocalist who can do all those crazy guttural growls and screams as a 4-octavian.
Great performances, but my only question is: Birth Ritual over Beyond the Wheel? Really?
Now you're just being stubborn. I just told you Barlow can go to C2. And if you've heard Bruce sing a C#2, show me.
Haha I would agree with that quite personally.
Yes the C#2 is fry, I don't know how you could miss that. Even if it wasn't its whispered. Falsetto is not full voice of course, but is still part of singing. Freddie Mercury and Jackie Wilson and all sorts of greats used it alot.
And his A5s are not full just because you think they are neither. Take Gangland, listen to the F# at the end, then listen to the As and B earlier in, and notice the difference in tonality and the difference in strain.
King uses almost entirely falsetto. But moving on. Son of a Gun is an interesting choice. Dickinson's voice (to me) is much better than Halford's, even if he's not as technically skilled. Barlow is my favorite right now, but I tend to go back and forth between the two.
@onepolej @onepolej Just because they can't replicate it live doesn't mean they can't do it. That applies to a lot of things. Bruce does a lot of things in studio that he didn't do live, not because he couldn't, but because he chose not to. Freddie Mercury never replicated his high Fs live, but he hit them full in studio tracks. In the studio, you have time to try and reach whatever notes you want to, live is a completely different animal.
C#2 is fry, ie, not a sung note.
Bruce and Chris lived in two completely different musical worlds. Please stop comparing them
@onepolej Means I used tuners to check out what pitch it was, and then ran it by people who are much much much better at it than I am. And it was verified as an E5. Like I said, considerably higher than what I thought just by hearing it. I guess it was all the throat sound.
And so far you've been wrong about Halford's C#6, his G#6, and Bruce's E5.
Matt Barlow, without question.
Yes I will make a live list for Tate eventually. I'm working on making some changes to the list as it stands first.
True. That would give him a larger full voice range than Halford at least.
I don't know the uploader, but its Montreal 1984. Hard to tell if its falsetto or whistle.
Actually its an E5, so I was wrong in the first place :/
Better than ten years ago? I guess. He really doesn't tend to go for high notes very much, but he sang up to E in The Legacy a few years back which was an accomplishment.
Not on that night it wasn't
vocalist of the prog metal band Pain of Salvation. Crazy skill, lot of versatility.
Yes it is, and if you have a 4 octave range I am impressed. I don't know where you get this "falsetto is not part of vocal range" thing from. Never has it been said that falsetto doesn't count. Weren't you talking earlier about how King Diamond had such a huge range
He is though. You'd need to listen to more of him to get the full feel of his voice, cause he doesn't tend to let it all out very much. I latched onto his voice pretty quickly, mostly due to the emotion in it more than even the technical prowess.
I really don't have a talent list. Barlow is just my favorite vocalist and I think he is a great singer. Thats what I meant, sorry if I can be confusing. :P
The updated list is going to be a lot better. I just listened to the Austin '90 version, and it beats any Beyond the Wheel version that I've heard before.
Oh, I do know that one! Need to find his low notes now...
I think this list is going by the high notes that he's hitting that are comparable to the studio versions. That's just my observation. Is the Beyond the Wheel live in Milwaukee on RUclips?
The website/forum I get all the lists from. Link in description. You can find the topic and post you views on it if you wish.
No that's C#6, when he does that rising scale. Then there's are two G#s in whistle after as ad libs. And it is not that rare for males to get into the sixth octave. Mike Patton, Robert Plant, David Coverdale, Thom Yorke, Billy Gibbons and Joe Lynn Turner have done it plenty, amongst others, and not always in whistle neither. Opera singers don't because that's not a necessary part of their technique. Just like they don't go into the mid fifth octave.
I don't know what the guitar playing has to do with it but...
I told you, his voice is unusual, or at least the way he uses it is. Lot of variety in his phrasing. Technically, he's very good, whatever you think about him personally I can respect.
Well now I'm not too sure that the C# is fry, just that's its whispery. I dunno, I'll press the matter a little more with someone.
I never said anything about live ability. Even then, Halford and Kiske are fantastic live as well, and tend to nail their tougher studio parts which Bruce didn't always back in the day.
By those criteria, Bruce beats Halford in resonance, tied with Kiske, beats both in vibrato, ties Halford in sustain, but that's it.
Technically its still online, but blocked in some countries (or so it says).
I'll probably do one for Tate sometime as well when I have time.
@onepolej No its not. I'm surprised its as high as an E, there's a whole lot of throat. The good news is that that means he's hitting Es pretty consistently still, even if they don't sound very good and he can't sing with it.
I don't see the point, since you don't accept any technical criteria that works against Bruce. He does not have a bigger range than them, falsetto or modal. He does switch registers as well or demonstrate the melismatic ability and breath support they have. Powerful is a very vague term made of many factors. He is more resonant than Halford, but not Kiske. Songwriting and stage presence don't have to do with singing.
I live in Texas, so technically...
I doubt that would make a difference, however, I can send it to you to download.
Yeah, not as skilled as Halford or Kiske, but pretty high up there. He has a great range, arguably the best of the four (not as wide as theirs, but better utilized), and makes great use of all his registers. His melismatic control is excellent, up there with Bruce, and his volume control is definately the best of the four. And he blends chest and head fantastically as well.
All you did was restate your thesis which I identified in my last post. You still have'nt given any justification or counterargument for any of those things.
Sure, check out Reconciliation, The Big Machine, and Waking Every God.
I'll warn you ahead of time though that his style is understated, very subtle in comparison to other big metal singers. Reconciliation especially.
@onepolej Amd of course Halfords C is falsetto, it'd be ridiculous if it was full :P
Uh...sorry? His voice appeals to me above even Dickinson, who's an old favorite. I've modelled my own style after his since we are roughly the same tessitura. I haven't put a list together for him yet, partly because I'm waiting for IE to release their new boxset.
@zorland876 the 2010 performance of BTW was the best version ever in my opinion. other than that, i like your list :D
...you said Bruce could go two notes higher...I have no idea what you're arguing anymore.
Overall top skilled I'll take from DDD
1. Jackie Wilson
2. Adam Lambert (yeah, that one)
3. Freddie Mercury
4. Steve Perry
5. Geoff Tate
6. Michael Kiske
7. John Farnham
8. Steve Balsamo
9. Jeff Buckley
10. Tim Buckley
Oh yeah that. That's fry and is not sung. His singing range is E2-B5. Even so, Barlow can actually sing his low end, and has hit both his highest and lowest notes on more than one occasion, unlike Brucey.
Well we're just gonna go in circles then because I have had the G#6 verified twice by those great with pitch (I didn't find that on my own, someone used it a range video). And Bruce tops full voice in F#5, I explained it and everything. How do you know that Halford ends at F# anyway, being that he blends his head and false together exceptionally well.
That's cool. He does have one of the best-used ranges though, C2-A5 . As in he's sung C2s and A5s comfortably more than once. His high notes are a bit thin, but considering how low his tessitura is, its pretty impressive how well projected his upper 5th octave notes are.
In the grand scheme, he is very skilled. There are still several many singers more skilled that I know of, and surely many others that I don't.
But overall, he's still amongst the most skilled.
@onepolej The people who told me that have a good history of pitching and note calculation. And you even admitted earlier that Halford gets a C#6 in Love Bites.
I've made my means very clear. You never have provided any backup aside from simply stating "Bruce never used falsetto" or "That not a G6". You've also said that it is impossible for a male to sing in the sixth octave, which is simply ridiculous.
No it doesn't. If you're talking about purely technical skill, Bruce loses to both of them by a good amount. Saying who I think has the best *sounding* voice, is subjective, basically means which one appeals the most to me.
Actually he is none of that (Barlow's range is D2-Bb5, Bruce's is E2-B5).
I never said he was an odd pick, he's my next favorite.
No problem.
1. Child in Time (Concerto for Group and Orchestra)
2. Black Sabbath (Chicago '83)
3. Strange Kinda Woman (Maid in Japan)
4. Roller (BBC '79)
5. No More Cane on the Brazos (Nottingham2002)
Sorry it got blocked, this whole feud thing is pissing me off =\
@onepolej Totally, he's just more restrained and laid back. If you don't like him that's fine. He also performs all his tougher parts live.
Kiske's great live btw, he did We Got the Right, one of his most difficult songs, and nailed it perfectly, not to mention stuff like How Many Tears and Eagle Fly Free. I have seen some shows where he's not all up to par though, so there's that :P
Have you ever heard JCP live in Mansfield, MA?
@ericlord821 I believe it is, yes. However, an even better version is actually Austin '90. I don't know if that's on YT or not but its worth a listen.
@onepolej Jowox said that, and then Tarantinomaniac made another video with more notes featuring the rare Love Bites clip, and Jowox commented on the video and agreed.
And plenty of rock singers have gone higher than D6. I've listed a whole bunch before. Its just that not all of them are very good/controlled.
that slaves and bulldozers performances is one of chris's best live performances hands down
I must disagree... Cannot imagine Bruce Dickinson or Ronnie James singing Wave Goodbye, When I'm Down, or other bluesy stuff (though I can clearly imagine Cornell singing Rockin Chair Rock 'N' Roll Blues). The guys would probably FAIL in such an attempt; they are great as rock singers. Cornell is great as a multitalented SINGER. Vibrato and high pitch do not really make a great singer...
r.i.p.
@Jakobus367 Yeah those two were compared for placement. I can't remember the reasoning, but eventually Pinkpop was decided to be the more sound performance by someone who is much more knowledgable in Cornell than I :P
I'm familiar with all his solo stuff as well as the Maiden. River isn't one of the tunes I'd point to for great vocal work, but its an awesome song all the same.
Actually, the biggest range is Billy Gibbons (from ZZ Top :S) with F1-B6. Not a very strong range, but its there. Not a very skilled singer neither.
I'll be honest, I don't think I could make a most talented list :P I'd probably put someone like Michael Kiske or Daniel Gildenlow or Rob Halford toward the top though.
Btw, where is King's A1 and D6?
You're referring to the ending? "Come to wash my sins a-WAY" That's an E2
@MFBueno63 Honestly I should probably take this down cause now the list is completely different. For one we switched out for the Austin '90 version of BTW and #5 is Ticket to Ride from 2010.
Look up "Love Bites Montreal" its all toward the end.
And tell me where Bruce hits C#s in Sign.
I personally really dig the Live Earth Black Hole Sun from 2007 or something. Best performance of Black Hole Sun ever, that end is amazing. And the end of Mailman at their MTV sessions :O!
Which one of these doesn't belong lol
Nice list. I wouldn't put Diamond there, but he does have some range on him. Much love for Bruce.
@onepolej Hearing doesn't have to do with it. From hearing I thought it was much lower. This was through pitching and verification. So far you've been 0 for 3.
Of course not. Have fun.
@onepolej Well thats subjective :P I think he has a pretty voice when he sings light in head or false, but yeah he doesn't match Bruce.
Gildenlow has a more consistent range and control of registers, better volume control, switches registers easier, has slightly better diction, and above all is very versatile.
Bruce beats him in vibrato and resonace though, and sustain and the blending of registers are pretty close.
What the hell? No he can't. Bruce's highest is B5, Barlow's is Bb5.
Anyway, range doesn't mean anything if you can't use it. Billy Gibbons has a five-octave vocal range, but it sucks.
Bruce has only "hit" that C# once very weak and whispery, and B5 only once. Barlow his his C2 once, but his D2s multiple times and much stronger and sustained, plus he's hit Bb5 at least four times.
motorvision - slaves and bulldozers
seattle bumbershoot 88 - smokestack lightning
rochester new york 94 - jesus christ pose
seattle bumbershoot 88 - beyond the wheel
some "birth ritual" live
Cornell is naturally more powerfull. Dickinson is a singer (meaning, he s got more technique and better pitch). Cornell pure God goven gift. range Wise please do not kid. cornell s got more. bruce must go into head voice or falsetto to hit the same notes. like it or not it is so. then u may like bruce better. and that s legitimate.
+antonello romano FALSE! Don't know why it took me this long to respond but I just stumbled across this video again and I read your comment. Bruce is a better singer. Chris may have a "wider" range, but he does not have as strong a voice. Listen to Man of Sorrows by Bruce solo and you will see what I mean.
Black hole sun
Classically trained singers can get that high. Yma Sumac reached C7, and Mariah Carey has gone to G7. Coverdale got a real scratchy G6, but Turner hit a solid falsetto G#6. Plant has reached almost as high, at F6, but not as strong.
Amazing is an odd term, but I like the sound of his voice a lot more than either of them, yes.
Beyond the wheel live 2010 is fuckin awesome too
/watch?v=crILNt7-kj8
@onepolej Enough with this range shit. Having a large range doesn't mean much on its own. On paper Bruce's range seems larger, but he cannot use it all. The desceprency between his highest note and lowest is nearly twenty years, and he could not have done them both in the same time frame. Gildenlow has almost four octaves, and he has the ability to use all of it at any time and has proven it. Aside from that I have already explained exactly how Gildelow's voice is more technically superior.
/watch?v=4parWwDh4eM
No one better than Cornell. No one had the range or the song writing ability. Sorry Trent Reznor, your style in music and writing has been the same...forever.
Iron Maiden died when Paul DiAnno left, Bruce Dickinson murdered an awesome metal band with his tone-deaf histrionics, the same way that AC/DC died when Bon Scott died, Brian Johnson forced a good couple of metal albums with the remains but it was in no way AC/DC any more.
Definitely #1 should be Beyond the wheel at Sturgis in 1993. It's on youtube as Beyond the wheel live unbelievable performance! Stupid list!
you choose bad live videos . just like falsetto on this videos. his new performances are better than this . for example ; beyond the wheel live 2010,...,2015 . on there ; voice is chest voice just like studio performances
Thats not falsetto my dude, thats just a wide ass vocal range.
I really, dont like it.. O.o Check Myles Kennedy, best singer of all time.
Myles Kennedy over Chris Cornell? That's wild but whatever you're into is cool
llllllllllama I'm right there with ya, Myles is top notch
llllllllllama u are crazy