This looks like a really cool level so far. The idea of Null Space being a prison that torments it's prisoners with their own memories is such an interesting concept. Once the Episode Shadow version is completed, it'd be cool if you did one for Sonic during the Main Campaign showcasing the darker moments and levels that he traveled through in past games.
I know this was posted literal eons ago, but having found this just now, God DAMN this is beautiful I've been watching through all of your videos on this I know it's on hiatus indefinitely, but I think it'd make my entire life to see it finished some day, no matter how long that takes The way you've put it together up to this point-- you can FEEL the memories clashing against each other They *feel* like memories-- echoing voices, somewhat detached and yet so vividly present, it all looks so real-- and yet, it doesn't add up It gives me so many emotions and I'm prepared to give my soul to play through even just what you have done so far But regardless of all of that, you did an amazing job and I'm definitely going to look into other things that you have done and are currently doing Looking forward to the long process of catching up!! 💕
Been watching for longer level mods for Forces because in my opinion, that was the main problem with Forces. I don't know about anybody else but this is exactly what I've been looking for. Nice work!
I would imagine Maria's voice added as well in the Space Gadget segment or in The Last Way with her saying, "Please, Shadow... I need your help! Everyone's fate depends on... YOU!" or "Bring hope to humanity." for examples. FIY: copied those quotes from the sonic.wiki.
Dude, thanks in advance for clarifying you're going to add details (like you said in the descrip., statues, particle effects, etc). That's the one aspect that's almost always missing from fan mods, and what separates them from professional work. So excited!
This is so much cooler than what sega did with forces. Going thru shadows past in null space is so intruiging. Hope this mod gets finished cuz this is lit.
omg you neeeeeeeed to pick this project back up again man! Having Shadow go through 5 stages from his past is an absolutely genius idea! the potential this stage has is astronomical! If you are short of ideas over how to continue it I'm sure your audience (including me) will help you out with that and then some!
The lack of ideas is only one tiny part of the problem honestly. I'd want to make it look the best I could, and for that, I need some things sorted that just aren't there yet. Even if I do pick this back up, I'd probably want to do another Forces mod beforehand to refamiliarise myself with the ins and outs of it.
@@Knuxfan24 that's totally fair man, I understand fully! But when the time comes and you have the resources necessary to make it fit your vision, you should absolutely come and pick this up again. Would be an absolute tragedy if this is never finished given the potential this project holds!
Maybe you could incorporate that gameplay mechanic where Shadow can dash along a line of enemies, like the gameplay that was displayed for the official Green Hill Episode Shadow footage. It could go nicely in a gap between areas, kinda like a rail over the abyss. Have it as a potential path for players to go along, but only if they're willing to take the risk of falling to death just to earn more points from destroying enemies. Just an idea, but regardless I am freaking loving how this is coming along. It's so cool to see a Sonic Forces level 3D, and with callbacks like Shadow hearing SA Sonic in his head makes so much sense in a level revolving around Shadow's mind and thoughts spanning over decades worth of history. Even Mephiles' inclusion was also cool and integral, even if THAT GAME THAT WILL NEVER BE NAMED is non-canon. It shows how conflicted Shadow's story has been and the challenges and growth that he has made in doing the right things. Sorry I rambled on for so long. I honestly don't know if this will ever be read, but keep up the outstanding work. 🖒🖒😎
@@mikester8171 Huh, really? Well that sucks. Would've been really cool to be able to dash through lines of enemies in all sorts of directions (like a winding line going left to right) or even a loop. Man, that's a bummer. :(
@@mikester8171 Yeah. Just saw it right now and it's the camera that's the issue. As soon as I got your reply, my mind ran wild with crazy scenarios, like characters glitching or phasing through others or even the game crashing. Thankfully I was wrong (although that would be a funny sight). I'm no expert with modding or anything, but if there's a way to fix the camera so that it would follow the player as they zip along the line, then that would be awesome. I'm most likely making a fool of myself, but if there's a way to do that, then I would see this Dust Silo mod as progress to a long journey. Though I would think that altering the camera, even if it is possible, would be insanely difficult and take a LONG time to do. (And if not, then I sound like an idiot right now) 😅
Looking really good, great to see you fixed the platforms in Dusty Desert, although (if you can) maybe add more pathways in the platforming sequence just to add more depth to the level design.
God if only the actual episode shadow was like this I know it was free But if it had this level of quality Then like a Mephilles or shadow android boss fight at the end, it would’ve just been worth like a 5-10 dollar price tag
Actually referencing other levels throughout shadows history would’ve the coolest crap ever. Really wish SEGA wouldn’t be so afraid of reusing the decent stuff from negatively received games
It's a shame this seems to be the last instance when the project was worked on, or at least the last time it was demonstrated. It reeked of potential, even Garrolous could scout that much out.
If you are looking to return to this project and change it a bit, I’d say instead of Space Gadget as the ARK level, use the Sonic section of Cannon’s Core since A) Cannon’s Core’s design doesn’t have too many open sections to design, B) You could use the Aqua Road sliding splines during the last part of Cannon’s Core, C) It holds a little more importance as a location than Space Gadget I think.
0:39 beautiful scenery, it reminds me of the border world Xen Also, question: always at 0:40 what is the floor supposed to be? It would fit a sky, as if the section was turned upside down
Having some variation in music would be really nice for this mod. Virtual Reality, as good of a remix it is, it'll get tiring after you've listened to it for too long.
These really aren’t supposed to be actual levels, so seperate music tracks wouldn’t really work. Supporting Me is fitting given that Shadow’s basically scrolling through memories and being psychologically tormented by Infinite.
I'm not saying Virtual Reality is a bad choice, in fact, it is a really good choice of music. But it would be cool if there was a little bit more songs, and I don't mean each section needs a different song.
This mod is going to be amazing. Is it possible to import level assets from Generations? I think borrowing some sections from the Shadow Boss fight and Speed Highway could potentially spruce up the Space Gadget and Radical Highway sections respectively. You might also be able to get away with using assets from Egg Gate and Prison Hall for Space Gadget. I also think some assets from White Acropolis and Crisis City (Generations) would work for the Prison Island section Just some suggestions to consider.
Even though I'd hate to have Maria return, I'd wouldn't mind if you put Shadow's line "I still remember what I promised you, Revenge!" Like he's hearing himself.
Is this still being worked on or is it just a really long hiatus break from working on it? I'm just really hoping that this is not discontinued or cancelled because I have really, really, really been looking forward to playing this someday.
@@Knuxfan24 Aww. Second to the Overclocked mod, this is my favorite mod I was looking forward to the most. This just seemed like what Episode Shadow should have been. I, and many other people who have commented on these videos, think the mod looks awesome already and full of potential. If you ever decide to cancel or not finish it, would you consider releasing the unfinished WIP version for people to play at least?
I haven't actually had these files for years. If I still did I would have archived them on my site by now but alas (also don't think I ever sent anyone these so they won't be buried in my Discord DMs anywhere).
This is super cool dude! I'm curious though on where you got Sonics line from. I dont remember it from the games Griffith voiced sonic in. Is it from sonic x?
It's from Shadow The Hedgehog, it's the first thing heard in Space Gadget, which is where the third segment gets its terrain from. ruclips.net/video/UouG4rZKDXU/видео.html
Honestly I was half expecting Shadow to have an annoyed reaction to hearing Sonic's voice. Personally I think Sonic is the last person Shadow would want to have on his mind. Maybe Maria or even Gerald Robotnik but Sonic...yeah I don't think he's ever on Shadow's mind. XD
I know that the old files for this mod were lost, but I hope you may try to recreate this mod even better than it was turning out the first go round. Truly, I saw this mod being what the original episode Shadow should have been and still hope it may be recreated in full someday. May inspiration strike you when the time is right.
It is possible that you could focus more on the exterior of Space Gadget? Because the inside of the space station is not as interesting as running in space, not to mention, the linear design of the exterior of space gadget would probably work well with the boost. Not to mention, Sonic ans Shadow raced outside of it, so storywise, I think it could work better.
The structure of Space Gadget's outside sections (& the other ARK levels from SA2 & ShTH in general) is kinda all over the place & would be a god damn nightmare to work with, which was why I settled for the interior. Plus most of the level is actually interior when you look at it.
@@Knuxfan24 I understand that. Although, it might be cool if the section of Space Gadget starts only a little bit before so Sonic's line can make sence. That said, the intro you made its too cool to be wasted.
It’s supposed be Shadow going through and being tormented by his past memories, so level specific tracks wouldn’t really work. Supporting Me works given the context of the level, even the lyrics “everything is just like an illusion”.
Imo it looks very lifeless and boring but that might be because it's not finished. I'll say add a little more enemies to prison island and for dusty desert add more also what's that third area suppose to be?
![Sonic 06: No Time Left //Mephiles Boss Fight\\ [Sprite Animation]](/img/1.gif)
This is going to be one of the coolest Forces mods ever made, calling it now.
IKR
Hello and it’s a mod? Well good on this creator
Just imagine having Black Doom and Maria’s voices in the Space Gadget segment of the stage
Garrulous64 Rgis gets better and better every time I see it.
but sonic 06 never happened
Something like this could've been perfect for Ep. Shadow
This looks like a really cool level so far. The idea of Null Space being a prison that torments it's prisoners with their own memories is such an interesting concept. Once the Episode Shadow version is completed, it'd be cool if you did one for Sonic during the Main Campaign showcasing the darker moments and levels that he traveled through in past games.
Now *this* is what Episode Shadow should've been
Its a good thing you continue the progress of it.
Fans makes this game more interesting and entertaining than SEGA. ;)
Adonai Mulamba You are aware Sonic Team is a team of developers thaf work for SEGA, right?
I know this was posted literal eons ago, but having found this just now,
God DAMN this is beautiful
I've been watching through all of your videos on this
I know it's on hiatus indefinitely, but I think it'd make my entire life to see it finished some day, no matter how long that takes
The way you've put it together up to this point-- you can FEEL the memories clashing against each other
They *feel* like memories-- echoing voices, somewhat detached and yet so vividly present, it all looks so real-- and yet, it doesn't add up
It gives me so many emotions and I'm prepared to give my soul to play through even just what you have done so far
But regardless of all of that, you did an amazing job and I'm definitely going to look into other things that you have done and are currently doing
Looking forward to the long process of catching up!! 💕
AAAH THAT MEPHILES QUOTE.
PERFECT.
No way...This sounds/looks so official! Good job!
Been watching for longer level mods for Forces because in my opinion, that was the main problem with Forces. I don't know about anybody else but this is exactly what I've been looking for. Nice work!
You should use Black Doom's voice later on in the Space Gadget segment like you did with the Mephiles voice.
I intend to save the Black Doom voice lines for The Last Way section.
Can you change the camera a bit? There aren't enough angles or it isn't far back enough imo.
I would imagine Maria's voice added as well in the Space Gadget segment or in The Last Way with her saying, "Please, Shadow... I need your help! Everyone's fate depends on... YOU!" or "Bring hope to humanity." for examples. FIY: copied those quotes from the sonic.wiki.
Dude this is freaking amazing, good work
Dude, thanks in advance for clarifying you're going to add details (like you said in the descrip., statues, particle effects, etc). That's the one aspect that's almost always missing from fan mods, and what separates them from professional work. So excited!
I love the Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog (game) scenes.
This is so much cooler than what sega did with forces. Going thru shadows past in null space is so intruiging. Hope this mod gets finished cuz this is lit.
omg you neeeeeeeed to pick this project back up again man! Having Shadow go through 5 stages from his past is an absolutely genius idea! the potential this stage has is astronomical! If you are short of ideas over how to continue it I'm sure your audience (including me) will help you out with that and then some!
The lack of ideas is only one tiny part of the problem honestly. I'd want to make it look the best I could, and for that, I need some things sorted that just aren't there yet.
Even if I do pick this back up, I'd probably want to do another Forces mod beforehand to refamiliarise myself with the ins and outs of it.
@@Knuxfan24 that's totally fair man, I understand fully! But when the time comes and you have the resources necessary to make it fit your vision, you should absolutely come and pick this up again. Would be an absolute tragedy if this is never finished given the potential this project holds!
It's definitely still one I want to come back to at some point, but the time has just never felt right.
Maybe you could incorporate that gameplay mechanic where Shadow can dash along a line of enemies, like the gameplay that was displayed for the official Green Hill Episode Shadow footage. It could go nicely in a gap between areas, kinda like a rail over the abyss. Have it as a potential path for players to go along, but only if they're willing to take the risk of falling to death just to earn more points from destroying enemies.
Just an idea, but regardless I am freaking loving how this is coming along. It's so cool to see a Sonic Forces level 3D, and with callbacks like Shadow hearing SA Sonic in his head makes so much sense in a level revolving around Shadow's mind and thoughts spanning over decades worth of history. Even Mephiles' inclusion was also cool and integral, even if THAT GAME THAT WILL NEVER BE NAMED is non-canon. It shows how conflicted Shadow's story has been and the challenges and growth that he has made in doing the right things.
Sorry I rambled on for so long. I honestly don't know if this will ever be read, but keep up the outstanding work. 🖒🖒😎
Those enemy chains don’t work very well in 3D areas
@@mikester8171 Huh, really? Well that sucks. Would've been really cool to be able to dash through lines of enemies in all sorts of directions (like a winding line going left to right) or even a loop. Man, that's a bummer. :(
Well there is a mod for Forces called Dust Silo which does try to use the enemy chain in 3D, the result is pretty shit however.
@@mikester8171 Yeah. Just saw it right now and it's the camera that's the issue. As soon as I got your reply, my mind ran wild with crazy scenarios, like characters glitching or phasing through others or even the game crashing.
Thankfully I was wrong (although that would be a funny sight). I'm no expert with modding or anything, but if there's a way to fix the camera so that it would follow the player as they zip along the line, then that would be awesome.
I'm most likely making a fool of myself, but if there's a way to do that, then I would see this Dust Silo mod as progress to a long journey. Though I would think that altering the camera, even if it is possible, would be insanely difficult and take a LONG time to do.
(And if not, then I sound like an idiot right now) 😅
Beacon of Purity I think it's an awesome idea that has weight to it
Looking really good, great to see you fixed the platforms in Dusty Desert, although (if you can) maybe add more pathways in the platforming sequence just to add more depth to the level design.
Dont ask for too much. It'll ruin our expectations xd
God if only the actual episode shadow was like this
I know it was free
But if it had this level of quality
Then like a Mephilles or shadow android boss fight at the end, it would’ve just been worth like a 5-10 dollar price tag
I am speechless. This is brilliant.
I love the passage, when "Sonic" speaks to "Shadow :)
I really wish this project was finished…
Actually referencing other levels throughout shadows history would’ve the coolest crap ever. Really wish SEGA wouldn’t be so afraid of reusing the decent stuff from negatively received games
This is beautiful...
Great job, best mod I've seen.
Mephiles' voice actually jumpscared me. Fucking amazing touch!
It's a shame this seems to be the last instance when the project was worked on, or at least the last time it was demonstrated. It reeked of potential, even Garrolous could scout that much out.
god i miss jason man
If you are looking to return to this project and change it a bit, I’d say instead of Space Gadget as the ARK level, use the Sonic section of Cannon’s Core since A) Cannon’s Core’s design doesn’t have too many open sections to design, B) You could use the Aqua Road sliding splines during the last part of Cannon’s Core, C) It holds a little more importance as a location than Space Gadget I think.
Dude.. Sega should hire you...
ok i love the question mark in the dialogue box
I think it would be nice to include somethink connected with Maria. I think this will be the most vivid manifestation of revenge.
0:39 beautiful scenery, it reminds me of the border world Xen
Also, question: always at 0:40 what is the floor supposed to be? It would fit a sky, as if the section was turned upside down
It's water.
God this is so cool!
Keep up the great work!
Having some variation in music would be really nice for this mod. Virtual Reality, as good of a remix it is, it'll get tiring after you've listened to it for too long.
These really aren’t supposed to be actual levels, so seperate music tracks wouldn’t really work. Supporting Me is fitting given that Shadow’s basically scrolling through memories and being psychologically tormented by Infinite.
Exactly
I'm not saying Virtual Reality is a bad choice, in fact, it is a really good choice of music. But it would be cool if there was a little bit more songs, and I don't mean each section needs a different song.
Well there is already, just for a short time.
What if the music used was End of the World from Sonic 06?
Wow, they added the mephiles voice
Actually, thats black Doom
No that's Mephiles.
Oh okay, i got confused by the "you want justice" thing
Shadow antology level. Greath.
Include María voice.
0:38 It feels weird to have Shadow talk here instead of immediately after entering Dusty Desert.
I feel like there should be more hazards since the robots don’t really do anything
I’m Very interested I want more looking forwards to the finish product
1:05 Mephiles are you?
This mod is going to be amazing. Is it possible to import level assets from Generations? I think borrowing some sections from the Shadow Boss fight and Speed Highway could potentially spruce up the Space Gadget and Radical Highway sections respectively. You might also be able to get away with using assets from Egg Gate and Prison Hall for Space Gadget. I also think some assets from White Acropolis and Crisis City (Generations) would work for the Prison Island section
Just some suggestions to consider.
Even though I'd hate to have Maria return, I'd wouldn't mind if you put Shadow's line "I still remember what I promised you, Revenge!" Like he's hearing himself.
seems that shadow was having a bad trip on that THC or something! XD XD XD
Holy sh*t! This is so gooood!!! :D :D
Voice lines are lit
Moar.... I NEED MOAR!!!!!
Is this still being worked on or is it just a really long hiatus break from working on it? I'm just really hoping that this is not discontinued or cancelled because I have really, really, really been looking forward to playing this someday.
I was never happy with how it was turning out, and I've never had any ideas of what to do with it every time I consider revisiting the idea.
@@Knuxfan24 Aww. Second to the Overclocked mod, this is my favorite mod I was looking forward to the most. This just seemed like what Episode Shadow should have been. I, and many other people who have commented on these videos, think the mod looks awesome already and full of potential. If you ever decide to cancel or not finish it, would you consider releasing the unfinished WIP version for people to play at least?
I haven't actually had these files for years. If I still did I would have archived them on my site by now but alas (also don't think I ever sent anyone these so they won't be buried in my Discord DMs anywhere).
Keep taking notes sega.
Shadow was in Dusty desert in sonic 2006 timeline, but dusty desert exist anyway, and that thing in the floor is mephiles? I want mephiles back :(
Hi, It's been a long time since you started doing this mod and i'd like to ask, are you still working on it?
This is super cool dude! I'm curious though on where you got Sonics line from. I dont remember it from the games Griffith voiced sonic in. Is it from sonic x?
It's from Shadow The Hedgehog, it's the first thing heard in Space Gadget, which is where the third segment gets its terrain from.
ruclips.net/video/UouG4rZKDXU/видео.html
@@Knuxfan24 thanks!!
I have a suggestion, maybe in radical highway you could add Maria's voice saying "Shadow, I beg of you! Give them a chance to be happy!"
Honestly I was half expecting Shadow to have an annoyed reaction to hearing Sonic's voice. Personally I think Sonic is the last person Shadow would want to have on his mind. Maybe Maria or even Gerald Robotnik but Sonic...yeah I don't think he's ever on Shadow's mind. XD
If this was released i would willingly buy sonic forces
I know that the old files for this mod were lost, but I hope you may try to recreate this mod even better than it was turning out the first go round. Truly, I saw this mod being what the original episode Shadow should have been and still hope it may be recreated in full someday. May inspiration strike you when the time is right.
It's still a thing I want to revisit at some point.
if the novel sonic farces come with this level details, my money goes to the segas wallet
When come sonic forces episode shadow null space wip 3?
It is possible that you could focus more on the exterior of Space Gadget? Because the inside of the space station is not as interesting as running in space, not to mention, the linear design of the exterior of space gadget would probably work well with the boost.
Not to mention, Sonic ans Shadow raced outside of it, so storywise, I think it could work better.
The structure of Space Gadget's outside sections (& the other ARK levels from SA2 & ShTH in general) is kinda all over the place & would be a god damn nightmare to work with, which was why I settled for the interior.
Plus most of the level is actually interior when you look at it.
@@Knuxfan24 I understand that.
Although, it might be cool if the section of Space Gadget starts only a little bit before so Sonic's line can make sence. That said, the intro you made its too cool to be wasted.
When come episode shadow null space wip 3?
It this was the true episode shadow this game could be awsome
Not that I don't like Supporting Me or anything, but do you think it's possible to keep the Null Space theme throughout the entire level?
I love it
Fans do what Segain't
Prison Island to Dusty Desert to Space Gadget to Radical Highway to Kingdom Valley
release version please ?
Is this still getting worked on?
Is there any way I could contact you? Discord?
When its finish ?
So, any more progress on this at all?
Cool, but could you make the first section not skipped by boost?
If the player is skilled enough to use the boost correctly, then they should be rewarded for it.
if this was in the game, it would get a better rating
Maybe having a custom boss fight in the End than take Infinite's Fight 1 or 2.
will this ever be completed?
Has this been finished?
oof if only ObjVirtronKiller worked in 3d, anyways this is amazing so far
Why doesn’t it?
@@mikester8171 because it was programmed to work only in 2d since the only stage it's used in(virtual reality) is fully 2d
What happens if it is put into a 3D section?
it just does absolutely nothing since it can't be triggered by the player in 3d mode
Is this the same with the phantom cubes from the hacked demo Episode Shadow levels?
When did the second sonic voice actor said that?
Shadow the Hedgehog: Space Gadget. For the Hero mission in that level, you race Sonic to get the Chaos Emerald.
Ask Sega to hire you please
I still think "Supporting Me" Doesn't really fit here...
It’s supposed be Shadow going through and being tormented by his past memories, so level specific tracks wouldn’t really work. Supporting Me works given the context of the level, even the lyrics “everything is just like an illusion”.
I think it could work better with something else, but whatever.
memory the level
i want that shit
Imo it looks very lifeless and boring but that might be because it's not finished. I'll say add a little more enemies to prison island and for dusty desert add more also what's that third area suppose to be?
TheGaminCheese The third area is Space Gadget, from the Shadow the Hedgehog video game.