The Prince of Wales: What Everybody Gets Wrong

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @tsmitz8184
    @tsmitz8184 11 месяцев назад +623

    “And to the people of 1170 he was dead, because that’s when he died”
    Absolute gold. Subbed on the spot.

    • @timbossard6383
      @timbossard6383 11 месяцев назад +4

      I know. Never have I laughed at a single RUclips documentary joke...this one shocked me. Lol 😂 so hilarious and perfect timed.

    • @jaycrandell147
      @jaycrandell147 6 месяцев назад +1

      Poetic eloquence, no matter how dry, is not dead. Wonderful stuff. I didn't know.... Thank you.

  • @neurodermatitis
    @neurodermatitis Год назад +313

    Really bummed out that Wikipedia has been lying about the Rock being the Prince of Wales all this time...

    • @PleiadesRuby
      @PleiadesRuby 6 месяцев назад +3

      He is head of the table after all

    • @Sacration
      @Sacration 6 месяцев назад

      😂😂😂

    • @Hendrix_
      @Hendrix_ 2 месяца назад

      I also saw they think he's the Tooth Fairy, completely untrustworthy website

    • @ADEpoch
      @ADEpoch Месяц назад

      Wikipedia? Not telling the truth? Nah, that would never happen.

  • @rogerstone3068
    @rogerstone3068 Год назад +241

    Isn't it strange how it's always fascinating to hear a real expert speaking about their topic of expertise? And how radically different that seems when compared with a "documentary" TV programme? It's one of the ways that the internet, and You Tube, is changing the world for the better. Thank you, Cambrian Chronicles.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +54

      Thank you so much, that's very kind of you, and one of the best comments I've ever received! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • @roidrannoc1691
    @roidrannoc1691 Год назад +423

    It's interesting because here in France, the title Princeps was only used once (that I know of). Princeps francorum, Prince of the Franks, was used by the Mayors of the Palace after they gained a great deal of power. Said Princeps were Pepin of Herstal, Charles Martel and Pepin the Short. While they were technically still subject to the king, they had all of the power and the kings were just powerless figurehead. So it's funny to merge both meanings of the title: subservent and defiant. The title was dropped when Pepin the Short became king.
    I also love the paralled between the english heir being the Prince of W(ha)les and the French heir being the Dauphin (Dolphin)

    • @napoleonfeanor
      @napoleonfeanor Год назад +24

      It's Pippin in German and English. If you look at the book and relationship tables, many hobbits have Frankish names...names that should be revived again

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt Год назад +8

      Whales (it's a town in England)

    • @waynesimpson5607
      @waynesimpson5607 Год назад

      1111

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад +9

      Don't forget that the french president is also co-prince of Andorra. And how that came to be is another story. They basically inherited it.

    • @SamuelHydeker
      @SamuelHydeker 11 месяцев назад +7

      Actually the title of prince was also used for a time in Aquitaine. Also the title prince was also used by the legitimate member who had yet to obtain a title. In fact today the heir of Luxembourg holds the title of prince because he is agnatically a member of the french family and is thus a prince of the blood.

  • @marmartin9822
    @marmartin9822 Год назад +377

    Shout out to the guy who was king of 22 people and a couple of hills, I love that for him 😂

    • @kayleighlehrman9566
      @kayleighlehrman9566 8 месяцев назад +39

      Sounds like more of a HOA president than a proper monarch, lol

    • @Sacration
      @Sacration 6 месяцев назад +3

      We love him

    • @nl-oc9ew
      @nl-oc9ew 5 месяцев назад +17

      ​@@kayleighlehrman9566petty kings, be petty.

    • @firstconsul7286
      @firstconsul7286 4 месяца назад +5

      I bet he lived in a bloody swamp, and took a couple tries to build his castle.

  • @TimSchlee
    @TimSchlee 2 года назад +910

    It's really nice to hear Welsh history from a non-English point of view. Thanks for the video.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +206

      You're welcome! I agree that Welsh history so often gets mentioned solely through an English lense (if it even gets mentioned at all) which is a shame since it's so interesting

    • @Fred-rj3er
      @Fred-rj3er 2 года назад

      You trust an American to know our history? This video us very misleading.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +122

      @@Fred-rj3er in what way is it misleading? I’m curious. I’m also not an American, if you can’t tell from my British accent lol

    • @cdeford
      @cdeford Год назад +7

      I read Edith Pargeter's novels many years ago so I knew some of this.

    • @JohnSilver-un8qy
      @JohnSilver-un8qy Год назад

      ​@@CambrianChronicles So you are not English eh? Well your mangling of language is atrocious. Do not claim to be a Cymro! Your accent is not one I recognise.

  • @CyrodiilCome
    @CyrodiilCome 2 года назад +288

    Hope we get more on Owain's rebellion later. He's probably my favorite medieval hero.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +86

      Definitely will, he's very interesting and I'd love to cover him more

    • @ogladaczr.t.3168
      @ogladaczr.t.3168 Год назад +6

      He probably met mine, du Guesclin.

    • @tamiyakelly6295
      @tamiyakelly6295 Год назад +3

      Then we need more war of the roses To Make the Welsh pre occupied.

    • @paulevans3575
      @paulevans3575 Год назад +2

      Yep, when the thrown of England was taken by a Welsh man, Henry Tudor.
      Most English, and many Welsh, think that you can only be Welsh if their name is difficult to pronounce, by the English.

    • @owainw3501
      @owainw3501 Год назад +2

      Who me?😂😂

  • @emequaza5537
    @emequaza5537 Год назад +167

    Very interesting. Poland in the middle ages had a very simlar tradition. While Dux (Duke) was the most common title of all Polish regional rulers, the nominal overlord of them all (duke of Cracow) was sometimes called princeps, to signify his supreriority. Rex or king was really seldomly used before 1295, as Holy Roman Empire was powerful and considered it an usurpation of their authority.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +32

      Ah that's really interesting, thank you for sharing!

    • @napoleonfeanor
      @napoleonfeanor Год назад +7

      HRR also had the Kingdom of Bohemia. And once it was really close that a Slav would have become Emperor...

    • @napoleonfeanor
      @napoleonfeanor Год назад +3

      @H K C No, but it means there was a Slavic Kingdom even within HRE.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад +2

      The HRE was also quite a complicated affair. With a (de jure) elected ruler, and lots of duchies and kingdoms being part of it. A king of Crakow wouldn't be out of place.

    • @DovahFett
      @DovahFett Год назад +12

      @@HappyBeezerStudiosThere was only one king in the HRE for most of its existence, and that was the King of Bohemia. When Prussia became a kingdom it’s monarch had to style himself the King _in_ Prussia to avoid annoying the rest of the HRE.

  • @jamesanderson6769
    @jamesanderson6769 13 дней назад +1

    It's great to see a channel give Wales a proper deep dive. Most channels gloss over it in their historical videos.

  • @brianbarone821
    @brianbarone821 Год назад +65

    Interesting to think back on the term “princeps.” As I understand it, Augustus called himself Princeps so he would NOT be thought of as the supreme ruler (or king- Romans feared having a monarchy) but rather as the “first citizen.”

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад +14

      and funny that nowadays we consider "caesar/kaiser/czar/kaysar" and "emperor" to be a title higher than a king. Someone who rules over kings.

    • @Vmac1394
      @Vmac1394 9 месяцев назад

      After the Rape of Lucetia and the abolition of their Roman monarchy, the Romans were insistent that Rome would never again be ruled by kings. The offices of princeps and imperator were set dressing for them to act as kings but not be called kings.

    • @cheesi
      @cheesi 3 месяца назад +4

      Yep :) I've seen the title "First Citizen" used a couple times in fantasy novels and I assume that's where they get the idea. It always stood out to me, it really captures that feeling of someone who, despite being a supreme ruler, is desperately trying to appear as nothing more than first among equals.

  • @menoflowicz
    @menoflowicz Год назад +70

    It is sad, that you don't have mentioned the biggest irony of history - that Tudors were Welsh themselves ;)

    • @menoflowicz
      @menoflowicz Год назад +2

      @Bo Locks Tudurs from Gwynedd were Normans?

    • @joseromeocantiller3168
      @joseromeocantiller3168 Год назад

      YES! THE TUDORS were Plantagenet in supporting the Cause legal REIGNING POWERS! Their Patriarchal linage come from the Kingdom of WALES! ( Prophetic Great Brooms ) ! Now King Charles the FULFILLMENT!
      LONG LIVE the BLESSED King of GREAT BRITAIN!
      ISAIAH 41:2,7 GOLDSMITH
      ISAIAH 41: 25
      IP NORTH, PRINCE of PILLAR of JUSTICE ( HEBRIDES, PICTS ) Callanish Lewis, SCOTLAND, UNITED KINGDOM, GREAT BRITAIN
      IP NORTH, PRINCE of ARC of BROTHERHOOD ( Celtics, Ashers, Normans, Plantagenet ) Salisbury Plain, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM, GREAT BRITAIN ( MAGNA CHARTA 1315 ) BLUE 💙 LAWS! BLUE 🔵 SKY LAWS !
      IP EAST, PRINCE of MAHARLIKA ( GREAT NATURES )( Heligaynon, Moslem Karaiah SRIE VISAYAH EMPIRE)( Phil. R. A. 8371 ) VISA ALLAH VISA AYAH ! "
      EZEKIEL 17:7 MAHARLIKAN EAGLE 🦅

    • @Ameer-dj5gj
      @Ameer-dj5gj Год назад +1

      @@menoflowicz Bo Locks they were from Croatia.

    • @TheBerryzflow
      @TheBerryzflow 3 месяца назад

      lol as our BLOOD

  • @reubenallen7789
    @reubenallen7789 Год назад +22

    You are so effortlessly humorous, it’s a pleasure to watch and makes it all the more engaging! Keep it up mate 😁

  • @bauermehlmann8800
    @bauermehlmann8800 2 года назад +106

    Welsh history is Fascinating, your channel is really good and i love your voice. Greetings from Germany

  • @kcarter0265
    @kcarter0265 Год назад +28

    My father’s line of the family is originally from wales. Blevins is our last name and my ancestors were known for their skills with archery and hunting throughout the generations.
    So I love learning about the culture and history of Wales.

    • @deanmorgan7011
      @deanmorgan7011 Год назад +1

      Probably derived from the name bleddyn

    • @kcarter0265
      @kcarter0265 Год назад +4

      @@deanmorgan7011 Yes, it is. I’m not sure how common a name it is in Wales now, but I believe it was changed slowly to Blevins by at least the 17th century if not earlier. Still working on the exact lineage and dates.

    • @deanmorgan7011
      @deanmorgan7011 Год назад +1

      @kcarter0265 it's often used as a first name here in modern times, but like all welsh names it's very old

    • @deanmorgan7011
      @deanmorgan7011 Год назад +1

      @kcarter0265 in welsh it means wolf or wolf like, my name means of the sea, as most morgans were sailors and some were pirates, there's a lot to be said in s name, happy researching, please let me know how you get on. Good luck

  • @Hand-in-Shot_Productions
    @Hand-in-Shot_Productions Год назад +12

    I knew a bit about the history of this title (including the "practice run" era of its history), but I have learned a lot more from this video! The history of the title "Prince of Wales" is kind of ironic: it started out as an emperor-like _Princeps_ that outranked the King of England, then degraded to a subservient title, and then to the heir apparent to the English throne.
    Thanks for making this video!

  • @Doctorjesus1982
    @Doctorjesus1982 Год назад +65

    Pronunciation is pretty good, especially for someone who isn’t Welsh! Nice to see my country’s history being properly represented

    • @Pingwn
      @Pingwn 7 месяцев назад +10

      He isn't?

  • @tobybavin8994
    @tobybavin8994 Год назад +6

    As a Welshman, absolutely fallen in love with your content recently

  • @hullhistorynerd
    @hullhistorynerd Год назад +35

    Really interesting stuff, I've literally just finished filming a series of videos on the history of the 4 big Edwardian castles of Gwynedd, plus another on Dolbadarn, and in the Caernarfon one I discuss the whole "born in Wales and speaking no English" myth, and I'm so glad to hear someone else mention Alphonso as a reason it doesn't make sense!
    I totally didn't know any of the Princes prior to Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, however - I think I'm going to have to rewrite some of my voiceovers before I start editing to make sure I'm a bit more accurate!
    Thank you for a lovely, well researched and well presented (and laugh out loud funny) video on this fascinating subject. Very much subscribed.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +8

      Thank you so much, I'm very glad you liked it, and I'm happy I was helpful! I'll be looking out for those castle videos

  • @patriciapalmer4215
    @patriciapalmer4215 Год назад +32

    Hilarious ! When Charles had his Anthony Armstrong Jones Investiture Pageant, there was no Internet and no one could tell me what the Prince of Wales history was so I went to the library and researched it. This is a service to humanity, terrific.

  • @JoeWilliams-bp5nm
    @JoeWilliams-bp5nm Год назад +24

    I've been reading and watching a lot about history to do with the coronation recently. I have been utterly shocked about how much utter rubbish is in the media and how scarily underinformed most people are (and I was). How can we possibly have a debate about the future of our countries when most people know next to nothing about it..?
    This is a classic example. Thanks so much for this. I will subscribe!

  • @tracyanne8616
    @tracyanne8616 Год назад +21

    As much as I love the Scottish and their fearlessness I do most certainly believe the Welsh princes fought so much harder and equally quite cleverly due to their mountainess lands. Especially when they were fighting the great kings of England. Especially Edward. Harsh and evil man. The story of Simon de Montfort would be a good story may I suggest. The younger who fought for Henry III.

  • @silvershadowtwo
    @silvershadowtwo Год назад +14

    Edward III was never named Prince of Wales. His father, Edward II, and the first Englishman to hold the title, was deposed in 1327 when Edward was only 14. Edward III named his son, Edward the Black Prince, Prince of Wales. When the Black Prince died, Edward named the Black Prince's son, the future Richard II, as Prince of Wales to cement Richard's place to inherit the throne as Richard was just ten when Edward III died. I believe you misspoke when you said (or implied) at 18:30 that Edward II named his grandson Prince of Wales. It was Edward III who named his son and grandson Prince of Wales. Things get messed up after that as Henry IV deposed Richard who had no heirs. However, thereafter the idea of naming the male heir as Prince of Wales was more often than not followed. This is a minor critique of a well-done historical perspective. Cheers to you for your efforts.

  • @Amantducafe
    @Amantducafe Год назад +7

    Thank you for giving more light into Welsh/Briton history. I've been fascinating by these people for almost 4 years however i struggle to find someone on youtube talking about it.

  • @melissastreeter22
    @melissastreeter22 2 месяца назад +1

    Can't thank you enough. Have listened back-to-back four times. You supplied many missing pieces.

  • @edwardstd52
    @edwardstd52 Год назад +7

    I knew most of the history since Owain Glyndwr but this excellent video filled in a lot of history!

  • @samrodian919
    @samrodian919 Год назад +8

    A very interesting video from the Welsh perspective. I knew nothing about the "Princeps" of wales at all prior to the English throne proclaiming it for themselves. It was interesting to learn of its much earlier history. Thank you.

  • @Joanna-il2ur
    @Joanna-il2ur Год назад +13

    The title princeps is Roman and was first applied to Augustus. The idea was to avoid the word rex (king) which had bad connotations for the Romans. It can be translated as ‘first citizen’. With two exceptions all emperors before 284 called themselves that. Two called themselves dominus, Lord, but Domitian and Commodus were both assassinated. We call the early Empire the Principate. The word prince comes from that. From Diocletian onwards, the emperor was always termed dominus and we call this era the Dominate. In Greek, though, he was always called Basileus, which just means king.

    • @TywysogCraig
      @TywysogCraig Год назад +1

      In welsh the word for prince is tywysog tywys means guided

  • @w13rdguy
    @w13rdguy Год назад +3

    I never get tired seeing Dave do the same old stuff. Learn something every time, and Dave's not afraid to do something a different way, if it makes sense. That little hint on fret ends, the shielding process, the Thom-goochery, what more could you want?

  • @bleachedink
    @bleachedink 2 года назад +69

    Diolch for making these videos, so much of our history gets overlooked, even by our own people! Please keep it up, these are fantastic resources.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +21

      Thank you, I agree it gets overlooked so often, I'm hoping I can continue to introduce more people to Wales

    • @melvinmayfield470
      @melvinmayfield470 Год назад +2

      Could NOT be better said! Here, here!!

  • @adrianwebster6923
    @adrianwebster6923 Год назад +26

    Probably a bit too much of a sidenote for this video, but the Tudors were a noble Welsh family and had supported Glyndwr's rebellion. Their ascent mixed the English and Welsh heritage of this title for a time.

    • @carrisasteveinnes1596
      @carrisasteveinnes1596 Год назад +3

      Only in the 1480s, though. After the end of King Richard 3 at Bosworth, and the Tudor rise from then. I assume.

    • @tracyanne8616
      @tracyanne8616 Год назад +6

      I don’t know about noble. The Tudors started with a quite lowly squire who happened to marry the widow of Henry the fifth, who herself was the daughter of the King at the time of France and was quite mad. All the English kings prior to this fought for their crown. One could say that Henry the seventh who was the only one that was able to gather a type of army due to his mother Mary Beaufort, cut off the head of Richard the third, a brave and fearless warrior who fought well for his brother before becoming king. The Tudors were pretty ordinary and quite sneaky in the way that they got to the crown.

    • @cecileroy557
      @cecileroy557 Год назад

      Are you sure about the "cut off the head of Richard III" part?

    • @cecileroy557
      @cecileroy557 Год назад +1

      "King Richard III likely perished at the hands of assailants who hacked away pieces of his scalp and rammed spikes or swords into his brain as the helmetless monarch knelt in the mud."
      Taken from an study of Richard III's skeleton. Also... they didn't want the body/head too damaged because, when they later displayed it, they want Richard's corpse to be recognizable. (That is revealed in the same article.)

    • @giuliakhawaja7929
      @giuliakhawaja7929 Год назад +1

      Richard3rd was not beheaded.
      He died in the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485

  • @Charlie-sw3yw
    @Charlie-sw3yw 3 месяца назад +2

    Love the video.
    A lot of people in Wales don't appreciate that the saga of Welsh defiance ultimately got uno reversed when Henry Tudor landed in Pembrokeshire and won the War of the Rose, making a Welsh lord, with a lineage stretching back to before the Welsh Kings and Princes, King of England and Wales.
    Kings today draw their legitimacy some connection to this bloodline.

  • @yorktown99
    @yorktown99 9 месяцев назад +3

    There is an interesting footnote to this discussion. In 1726, King George I named his eldest grandson Baron Snowdon (along with a slate of other titles). George was the first Hanoverian and the first new king since the Act of Union created the United Kingdom, but the title was soon forgotten and fell into disuse. But in 1961, Tony Armstrong-Jones, the new husband of Princess Margaret (sister to Queen Elizabeth II), was created "Earl of Snowdon", a title still held by their son David.

  • @zoeybrearley522
    @zoeybrearley522 Год назад +4

    Really informative, I'm glad I'm able to learn about my county's history, thank you for the videos.

  • @wordytoed9887
    @wordytoed9887 2 года назад +6

    Here because RUclips algorithm + personal interest + Welcome to Wrexham. Much love from the Mitten. Excellently delivered, Cambrian Chronicles!

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +2

      Thank you, I'm glad you found my channel and that you're enjoying my videod

    • @wordytoed9887
      @wordytoed9887 2 года назад +2

      ​@@CambrianChronicles Thank you for your work on this channel and that your work is so easy to consume! I love the way you just keep the map where it is for so long. Also, you made a statement/joke at 5:04.
      (Paraphrasing) To his people, he was dead. Because he *died*. LOL. Keep up the quick wit and the wonderful educational communication. I love it all! We all do!

  • @BusyAndySings
    @BusyAndySings 2 года назад +28

    Absolutely love these videos. Welsh history is fascinating and so important to understand.
    You're doing a great service with style.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +6

      Thank you so much! I couldn't agree more, Welsh history is so interesting and yet hardly ever covered

    • @wufongtanwufong5579
      @wufongtanwufong5579 2 года назад +3

      @@CambrianChronicles True. A fine example pf a people squashed by its invaders. my great grandmother told me how when she attended school in Wales If any child was caught speaking Welsh, they were given a spoon or small rod. (Can't remember exactly) but something to that effect. And the object was for that kid to carry spoon/rod around school all day. And if he caught another kid speaking Welsh, they had to give the spoon to them. And the child holding the spoon/rod at the end of the day would get canned

    • @howtoappearincompletely9739
      @howtoappearincompletely9739 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@wufongtanwufong5579 She was referring to the "Welsh Not".

  • @petrikokko1441
    @petrikokko1441 Год назад +6

    Princeps or prince, is rarely a title in isolation but indicates the first, most prominent, member of a group. It would have been regarded as such back when Latin was more commonly understood.

  • @griffin.xxxxxx
    @griffin.xxxxxx 11 месяцев назад +8

    Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Prince of Wales

  • @Mockingbird_Taloa
    @Mockingbird_Taloa 2 года назад +21

    This is so well done, informative, and is passive-agressive perfection all at once, bravo!

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +3

      Haha thank you, I hope it wasn’t too passive aggressive!

  • @Oli-l5m
    @Oli-l5m Год назад +4

    Fantastic video revealing an awful lot of the agenda of modern life doesn't have an ounce of reality to it. Thank you for your efforts in creating this

  • @Munkeh999
    @Munkeh999 Год назад +9

    Thanks for making this, really interesting!
    A couple of questions if I may:
    When and why did the rulers of Gwynedd switch from using 'Cymru' to 'Wallie' in the Prince title?
    Is this story the origin of how the words 'Prince' and 'Princess' came to be in English today, as a general title for a child of the monarch?

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +12

      Thank you!
      The Princes of Gwynedd used both, 'Tywysog Cymru' is the Welsh translation of 'Princeps Wallie', although the latter was the one used on official documents.
      And yes I believe it is!

    • @Munkeh999
      @Munkeh999 Год назад +3

      @@CambrianChronicles thank you!

    • @tompatterson1548
      @tompatterson1548 Год назад +3

      @@CambrianChronicles Wait, so Princeps Wallie is like Princeps Walliae but in medieval latin?

    • @howtoappearincompletely9739
      @howtoappearincompletely9739 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@tompatterson1548 Yes, the -ae case ending is frequently written -æ, -ę, or -e in Mediæval Latin.

    • @tompatterson1548
      @tompatterson1548 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@howtoappearincompletely9739 okay, thank you.

  • @jamesh7251
    @jamesh7251 Год назад +3

    Really interesting video, and to think there was nearly a king of England called Alfonso

  • @yetigriff
    @yetigriff 2 года назад +2

    You are now my favourite channel.

  • @J.R.Penrice
    @J.R.Penrice 2 года назад +29

    16:30 I would like to point out that the English aristocracy at this time were still culturally Norman and likely didn't speak English very often, if at all. The royals and lords spoke French instead, thus debunking that myth even further.
    My quick google search: "From the time of the Norman Conquest (1066) until the end of the 14th century, French was the language of the king and his court. During this period, marriages with French princesses reinforced the royal family's ties to French culture."

    • @ComeRee
      @ComeRee Год назад +3

      I would like to point out that the reason they were speaking French, was because the language was used as a soft power of the French Empire to impose elitism. Its why it would be improper or a-historical to call France "France" at that point, for the Francs didn't speak French: only the elite did.
      The Brythonic tongues spoken in what we now know as England are long gone - whispers in history books and artefacts - all because of the "radius and point of impact of empires". Roman/Dane/Jute/Angles/Saxons/Vikings/Normans... where Cymru is the last Country within Britain which still speaks its mother Brythonic tongue [Cymraeg] - where Scotland ceased speaking Pictish in the 13th century... due to a certain Edward I

    • @cecileroy557
      @cecileroy557 Год назад

      I looked it up. "Did Edward the 1st speak English?
      "He spoke fluently and confidently with a slight lisp

    • @ComeRee
      @ComeRee Год назад

      @@cecileroy557 let me guess, English source/account? They love propping up their own bullshit to cover for the fact they're not of these isles. But please, do share your source, or is google sufficient enough for plebs nowadays?

  • @MrHotpies
    @MrHotpies 2 года назад +18

    Excellent video! Thinking about Princeps, I wonder if it was also a shrewd way of ‘throwing shade’ on Henry II, whose right to the English throne was via the Anarchy and the subsequent compromise. Perhaps it also ties into the notion of rule via the rights of Rome and the inheritance of Romano-Britons. Anyway, just some thoughts.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +15

      That is interesting, a lot of the Welsh kings “traced” (i.e. faked) their lineage back to the various Roman emperors, perhaps Owain was trying to mimic that

  • @thequintanashow5058
    @thequintanashow5058 Год назад +7

    Wow super interesting. I’ve always just assumed that it had come from Henry Tudor since he both had personal roots in and began his takeover from, Wales.

  • @jaycrandell147
    @jaycrandell147 6 месяцев назад

    Prince and Princeps. That is a salient point I missed in my studies. NOW it makes sense. Thank you.

  • @anneangstadt1882
    @anneangstadt1882 Год назад

    I will definitely be clicking on one of your videos again. Thanks for the informative history!

  • @JohnBruceGuitars1
    @JohnBruceGuitars1 Год назад +1

    Excellent work and you explained it so well

  • @indrajitgupta3280
    @indrajitgupta3280 Год назад +16

    It is curious how every contiguous territory outside the north India capital of Delhi (and Agra and Lahore), followed a similar history. For centuries, certainly from the 4th century onwards, territories outside, the Punjab (not known as the Punjab until much later), Kanauj, Awadh, and Bihar and Gorakhpur, later known as Jaunpur, and Bengal in the Ganges Basin, and Malwa, Rajasthan and Gujarat to the south-west, followed this same pattern of making independent stands periodically, and being overwhelmed by a stronger imperial power in immediate succession. The capital shifted; Thaneswar, in modern-day Haryana, Kanauj in the centre of the UP, Pataliputra with its ancient history and Gaur in Bengal, held the centre at times. From the 11th century onwards, centralising rulers tended to concentrate on Delhi-Agra-Lahore more and more, although, towards the end of independent Indian states, Golconda/Hyderabad, Mysore and Pune, and appanages of Pune, such as Baroda/Vadodara, Gwalior, Indore and Nagpur, and Murshidabad in the east, played very important roles,.
    The same thing happened in the Deccan and in the deep south. Capitals like Badami, Hampi, Warangal and Thanjavur, and Madurai, served as the focal points of centralising authority, while they also served as the points at which dissent and centrifugal forces gained power.
    Reading about what happened in Wales and to Wales was therefore deeply fascinating, and almost a reminder that Indian history really was not subsumed by the narrative relating to Delhi-Agra-Lahore entirely.

  • @fuferito
    @fuferito Год назад +3

    15:59
    Amazing how the AD 1301 map looks like a person of authority pointing down from their seat (the head being the island).

    • @Hand-in-Shot_Productions
      @Hand-in-Shot_Productions 10 месяцев назад

      Now that you mention it, that looks like it! I can see the orange "throne" with a red "sovereign" pointing down. It looks like the perfect map for a King to appoint a new Prince of Wales to administer the land!
      Thanks for the comment!

  • @jeevanrehal3324
    @jeevanrehal3324 2 года назад +7

    SOOOCH A GREAT VIDEO LOVE IT EVER1 TIME BEST CHANNEL

  • @DukeDukeGo
    @DukeDukeGo 6 месяцев назад +2

    Changing "Prince of Wales" to "Prince of the kingdom ruling over all the other welsh kingdoms" to not offend the english king, really has the same energy as changing "King of Prussia" to "King in Prussia" to not offen the holy roman emperor

  • @mmclo
    @mmclo Год назад +4

    Lloyd George pulled a nice stroke with the “investiture” in Caernarfon, the impression given that it’s an ancient ceremony as opposed to a nice sinecure for his constituency and apparently not happening for current PoW

    • @cecileroy557
      @cecileroy557 Год назад +1

      Interesting!!! And Prince Charles lived in Wales, for a time, and learned Welsh.. William lucked out.
      (I mean absolutely nothing negative about Wales/Welsh but it was a hard time for Charles.)

    • @Joanna-il2ur
      @Joanna-il2ur Год назад +1

      Lloyd George was a taffeta taff. He was born in Manchester.

    • @GwladYrHaf
      @GwladYrHaf 8 месяцев назад

      @@cecileroy557he learned a few words, nothing more.

  • @geoffbrown9054
    @geoffbrown9054 2 месяца назад

    This was excellent, thanks. At school in Anglesey we were all given commemorative cups at the investiture of Charles as Prince of Wales, then went back to learning about Owain Glyndwr.

  • @MervynPartin
    @MervynPartin Год назад +2

    That is the best presentation that I have ever encountered of the history of the "Prince of Wales" title. It certainly destroys some of the myths. Perhaps it is now time for the title to be dropped permanently- it is now just a token of subservience and even more galling as William is a keen supporter of English Rugby, not Welsh.

  • @jago5193
    @jago5193 2 года назад +17

    Love your vids! I'm irish but am starting to study Welsh history and these videos are perfect for that. I'd love to see a video on Wales's part in some English conflicts like the War of the Roses or Hundred Year War.
    But yeah, keep up the good work!

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +4

      Thank you! That does sound pretty interesting, I'll see what kind of research I can do

    • @jago5193
      @jago5193 2 года назад

      @@CambrianChronicles looking forward to whatever you decide to do :) I love this channel.

    • @mrmarmellow555
      @mrmarmellow555 Год назад

      @@CambrianChronicles LESGO THE WELSH ‼️LongBow🏹❤️ Nadolig Llawen, Sire🐉 Princeps of the Draig 🐉▶️🐉Tiwb😉

  • @hariowen3840
    @hariowen3840 Год назад +4

    Fair play, for someone with a slight American sounding accent - your Welsh pronunciations are almost spot on.

    • @DovahFett
      @DovahFett Год назад +2

      The General American accent is very melodic (hence why so many non-American singers sound American when they’re singing) which makes pronunciation of melodic languages like Welsh easier than you’d think.

    • @BlueSatoshi
      @BlueSatoshi Год назад

      Phonetically speaking, American English is relatively closer to what British English used to sound like several hundred years ago.

    • @hariowen3840
      @hariowen3840 Год назад

      @@BlueSatoshi And what does that have to do with Welsh pronunciation??? - I just wondered!

    • @hariowen3840
      @hariowen3840 Год назад +1

      @@DovahFett Ah - so that's why the English have so much difficulty with it then eh! 😜

    • @BlueSatoshi
      @BlueSatoshi Год назад

      @@hariowen3840 I was looking at the first half of your comment when I wrote that 🤦‍♂️

  • @Attofoxy
    @Attofoxy Месяц назад

    I really appreciate this series. I'm Australian but my parents are English and to my family, Wales was always just this odd bit on the map mostly known for Snowdonia and coal mines. It's nice to hear about the actual history of the place.

  • @ae744
    @ae744 Год назад +8

    It would be great if you updated the Wikipedia page with accurate info and sources. Thanks for the excellent content!

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +6

      I've done a bit, as have others as well from what I've seen. I want to do a big rewrite of the Wales section eventually but I'm worried it'll just get reverted

    • @RatelHBadger
      @RatelHBadger Год назад +5

      ​@@CambrianChronicles as is the problem with open source documents. Contribute what you can and hope people don't notice too much and get protective of their "bit".

    • @Redwitheran
      @Redwitheran Год назад +2

      @@CambrianChronicles There seems to have been a large dispute recently over one editor, stated to be a Welsh nationalist, re-writing the entire article. With many discussions opened on the page. The editor does not seem to be a historian and constantly wrote about the controversy of it (they apparently wrote an entire now-deleted article on that) or how the Welsh part should be more important than its use by the English. So a partial re-write with great sources would be appreciated, although it may be best to raise a discussion following the recent dispute. The article re-write seemed to have removed a lot of older information which lacked sources, which would be amazing if it can be added back with sources.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +2

      Mess like that is why I avoid Wikipedia lol, there's even a guy now claiming that Owain Gwynedd never called himself the Prince of Wales... citing a source that calls him the Prince of Wales. I generally stick to small corrections where I can

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад

      I feel like the best way would be to suggest the edits to make sure people are on board and understand what is to be changed.

  • @Seroc99
    @Seroc99 Год назад +1

    Fascinating. Thanks. During the early part of the video you kept highlighting the parts of Wales but seem to exclude the very western tip in the south. Was that some part of Wales that no one bothered to control or a separately controlled area not considered Welch

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +2

      Although I don't remember the exact map in the video, I would assume the south western section is Pembrokeshire, which was controlled by England in the 11th century and never reconquered by the Welsh, hence why it isn't included on any of the maps of the Welsh kingdoms.

  • @SEAWORRIER
    @SEAWORRIER 2 года назад +10

    Absolutely fascinating stuff. I did mostly the Tudors to the restoration for a lot of my undergrad and the history of England and Wales before then is a real blindspot of mine. Your videos help bring that pre-Tudor period to light very nicely. Thanks.

  • @petergilbert72
    @petergilbert72 Год назад +3

    Thank you. I know quite a bit of mediaeval Welsh history but wasn’t aware the title had been used before Dafydd ap Llywelyn. Nice to learn something new! Also a new verb: coronated 😂.

    • @SaxonSuccess
      @SaxonSuccess Год назад +5

      It's incorrect. "Coronate" is an adjective not a verb. Monarchs are crowned, not coronated.

    • @petergilbert72
      @petergilbert72 Год назад +1

      @@SaxonSuccess perhaps it’s a little piece of Wenglish - ‘coroni’ is the verb to crown in Cymraeg.

  • @matthewwallhead5952
    @matthewwallhead5952 5 месяцев назад

    So glad I subscribed. As these videos are fascinating.

  • @TefiTheWaterGipsy
    @TefiTheWaterGipsy Год назад

    I really enjoyed this video, i like the style of it, the sense of humour here and there and I definitely learnt something and have subbed, so I'll be clicking more if your videos. Thank you.

  • @its_aled8950
    @its_aled8950 2 года назад +5

    Very insightful, answered all my questions! thanks bossman

  • @mercianthane2503
    @mercianthane2503 2 года назад +19

    Owain Gwynedd:
    I am king of Wales.
    England:
    Meh.
    Owain Gwynedd:
    Fine. I'm a *princeps* of Wales.
    England:
    So you have chosen death.

  • @bradtipton986
    @bradtipton986 Год назад +2

    It was not specifically referred to, but the last true Duke of Wales was killed in battle during 1282. I know this because it was my direct ancestor, Anthony Tipton, who killed him. Upon learning of the Duke's death and who killed him, King Edward 1st knighted my ancestor, bestowing the title Sir Anthony de Tipton and having a Crest made for him.

  • @fallenasleep7247
    @fallenasleep7247 Год назад +5

    why is no one talking about Dwayne The Rock Johnson being the picture for the Wikipedia entry for the Prince of Wales

  • @KillerAuzzie
    @KillerAuzzie 2 года назад +4

    Great video

  • @kandarptakawale2985
    @kandarptakawale2985 Год назад +5

    Haha having the rock in place of William was hilarious

  • @mattpowell13
    @mattpowell13 Год назад +6

    Da iawn chi...thoroughly entertaining and informative. Thank you for citing your sources; I've read most of them, but always looking to expand my understanding of Hanes Cymru. I'd like to echo a previous comment: An analysis of Owain Glyndwr's life, his path to rebellion, and his impact on Welsh nationalism would be much appreciated. Keep up the excellent work. Diolch yn fawr.

  • @eekee6034
    @eekee6034 11 месяцев назад +2

    So a Welsh heir to the throne is an edling, (spelled by the sound,) and if the Normans had lost the Battle of Hastings, the English heir to the throne would likely be an aethling. Those are such similar words...
    It's really interesting to see the development of the word "Prince," too.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  11 месяцев назад +4

      Edling is one of the very rare adoptions from Old English! No one seems to be sure of why, though

  • @fernandochavarria5874
    @fernandochavarria5874 6 месяцев назад +2

    It seems that the old meaning of "princeps" of Wales was actually similar to the latin concept of "Imperator" (Emperor), that is, supreme leader. This is not surprising at all. At that time it was quite fashionable in some parts of Europe. E.g. For a period of time during the Middle Ages the Kings of Leon and Castile in Spain also called themselves "Imperator Hispaniae", provoking other Spanish kingdoms (e.g. Aragon). The real question is, why the kings of wales chose the word "princeps" instead of "imperator" ("Imperator Wallliae")? Maybe because in accordance with the very influential and prestigious history of the Roman Empire, an "Imperator" was expected to claim the whole Roman legacy in that part of the world instead of just a part of it, that is, the whole Roman province of "Britania" instead of just Wales. If that is the case the concept of "princeps" was certainly a better fit for the political ambitions of the "kings of Wales": the "princeps" would be a mini-Emperor, just for Wales. On the other hand, it is not a coincidence that the kings of England fashioned themselves as "Imperators Britanniae" from early on.

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox13 9 месяцев назад

    Well done. Informative and entertaining. Liked and shared.

  • @juliettoler4123
    @juliettoler4123 Год назад +4

    I'm a big fan of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth. I always heard he was the first Welsh Prince to be called the Prince of Wales.

    • @davemack7577
      @davemack7577 Год назад +1

      Y Brenin he was called! - The King!

  • @yondie491
    @yondie491 Год назад

    Always love when a video starts with the totality of "no one at all knows anything at all ever about anything to do with this thing" and then doubles down on the extremism. No nuance. Mad respect.

    • @yondie491
      @yondie491 Год назад

      (yes, that's me laughing at the joke and enjoying the video I upvoted, to be clear). I like boosting engagement on channels I'm fond of.

  • @TroyTempest0
    @TroyTempest0 2 года назад +4

    Very well made video and very informative - great stuff - diolch!

  • @WeyounSix
    @WeyounSix Год назад +3

    I’ve learned from this channel that so much of what I thought was English folklore is actually welsh lmao

  • @alastairbrewster4274
    @alastairbrewster4274 Год назад

    Have you done a video on Rheged and/or King Uriens. Love the content btw really interesting

  • @loquemacuh
    @loquemacuh Год назад +1

    You are a fellow fan of Historia Civilis I see, judging by your soundtrack 😂 Great video!

  • @mining_schnitzel4034
    @mining_schnitzel4034 Год назад

    Bro I love your videos. Great explanation of the title.
    Have you ever considered talking about the mab darogan?

  • @colinalkiin
    @colinalkiin 2 года назад +5

    Love Welsh history been thinking about doing a history podcast about Gwynedd would you like to be on it

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +5

      Hm that does sound pretty cool, I'd be more than happy to make a guest appearance!

    • @chrislawley6801
      @chrislawley6801 Год назад +1

      History of Gwynedd & Powys were very related at the time of myths of King Arthur and may have had origins in Rhos in North Wales

  • @gwynedd4023
    @gwynedd4023 2 года назад +7

    cymru am byth also nice video and title

  • @richard6196
    @richard6196 11 месяцев назад +2

    I find it really funny that there was once someone who basically called themselves the emperor of wales, whilst not ruling all of wales.

  • @FulgrimTG
    @FulgrimTG 2 года назад +5

    My boye hitting up my home screen with the hottest new vid drop

  • @samtownend6744
    @samtownend6744 3 месяца назад +5

    Sorry but the main thing I'm taking away is that England almost had a King Alfonso

  • @gustavoa.belfiore4701
    @gustavoa.belfiore4701 2 года назад +4

    Fascinating stuff, keep them coming

  • @nemo6686
    @nemo6686 Год назад +3

    "I can make all of my own laws, without the kings permission."
    Or apostrophes, apparently. Very informative nonetheless.

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  Год назад +3

      Those cursed apostrophes always mess me up, I guarantee at least half of them will be wrong in the subtitles as well haha

  • @stewartmckenna3013
    @stewartmckenna3013 Год назад +2

    In Scotland , the British heir is generally the 'Duke of Rothsay'... :)

  • @aguy6771
    @aguy6771 2 года назад +2

    You are still one of my favourite channels!

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад

      Thanks so much, I’m glad you’re still enjoying my videos

  • @nozrep
    @nozrep Год назад +4

    i wonder if the surname Snowden is historically Welsh? I knew a guy one time with that surname. Always wondered whereabouts it had came from. But I was never really friendly enough with him to broach the subject. We went to school together and we weren’t enemies or anything… just amicable acquaintances I guess you could say…

    • @cymro6537
      @cymro6537 Год назад +6

      'Snowdon' is an English name that is later in date than the original Welsh name ,'Yr Wyddfa' .
      According to the 'Uk surname map' , the surname 'Snowden' is concentrated around the York , Leeds and Bradford area.
      So ,no , not Welsh.

    • @jeremyhares979
      @jeremyhares979 Год назад +2

      ‘Snowden’ isn’t Welsh , it has recently been renamed !

  • @CapnYesterday
    @CapnYesterday 2 года назад +3

    Great video! Thanks for posting it! 😊

  • @kersacoft
    @kersacoft Год назад +1

    I did not see that Owain joke coming, it felt like a Jay Foreman type of joke, it was really funny.

  • @dnister_nymph
    @dnister_nymph 2 года назад +3

    Thanks for the video, it’s very interesting. Because before watching it, my knowledge of the title consisted only of the information from the Crown 😅

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  2 года назад +1

      Thank you! I haven't seen the Crown, did it do a good job at covering the title?

    • @eamonnclabby7067
      @eamonnclabby7067 2 года назад

      Off to the library...V....

  • @CosmosNut
    @CosmosNut Год назад

    Great work!!

  • @merobo5066
    @merobo5066 11 месяцев назад +1

    I've recently came across your channel and have watched some of your videos which lead to me recognising the image you used for Dafydd I which you also used in your Arthur video for Artúr mac Áedán. Is this image a placeholder you use if no usable depictions of a person exist or does it depict one of the two and is only a placeholder once?

    • @CambrianChronicles
      @CambrianChronicles  9 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah it's a drawing of Dafydd, but I used it to depict Artur as there aren't any drawings of him. I've done it many many times, you have a good eye!

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад +2

    Or instead retiring of the title they could give it back to Wales. With today's interpretation of "prince" being of lesser rank than "king", that shouldn't be any threat to the british throne, and at the same time make place for a welsh royal house.

    • @jeremyhares979
      @jeremyhares979 Год назад

      We need our whole country back not just a name .

  • @cdeford
    @cdeford Год назад +7

    Edward II would have spoken Norman-French rather than English, so may still have satisfied those conditions. It wasn't until Edward III's reign that English started to become the dominant language of the law and court, and that was a long process.

    • @harrypmay
      @harrypmay Год назад

      I was going to write the same reply. It wasn’t until Henry V that English was truly spoken in the courts.

    • @harrynewiss4630
      @harrynewiss4630 Год назад

      I am not so sure about that as Edward I, his father, certainly spoke English (as well as French) so Edward II may well have done so too.

    • @cecileroy557
      @cecileroy557 Год назад

      Edward I spoke English. "He spoke fluently and confidently with a slight lisp."

    • @Joanna-il2ur
      @Joanna-il2ur Год назад

      Edward IV was a born English speaker. The story about Edward is fictional.

    • @harrynewiss4630
      @harrynewiss4630 Год назад

      @@Joanna-il2ur As is much of this youtuber's output I'm afraid

  • @FianFainFiatFaitArkangelCalel
    @FianFainFiatFaitArkangelCalel Год назад +2

    Thanks. The video you made cleared up some history for me, and fulfilled the gaps! awesome resume for even more stuff you could have even gone deeper I am sure!

  • @ealing456
    @ealing456 Год назад +3

    Pretty sure Michael Sheen is the most recent Prince of Wales, isn't he?