Why England Erased These Villages
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In 1965, England drowned the Welsh village of Capel Celyn and the surrounding farmlands, home to 70 residents. This one event reshaped Wales but is forgotten about in England. In this video, Andy, visits the site of this lost settlement to speak with people who saw it all happen to understand, how England could do this, how it reshaped Welsh nationalism, and whether something like this could ever happen again.
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Time Stamps:
0:00 The drowned village of Capel Celyn
2:14 The reason you haven't heard about this
2:51 Life in Capel Celyn
4:22 Life in post-war Liverpool
5:41 Liverpool is running out of water
6:31 Lake Vyrnwy
6:55 Liverpool's search for water
7:17 My search for ex-residents of Capel Celyn
8:50 The 5 hour drive to Capel Celyn
10:35 Capel Celyn today
11:35 Growing up in the village
12:12 Why Liverpool want to flood the Tryweryn Valley
13:16 A £16 million reservoir
13:46 Local pushback
15:39 How did England do this?
16:50 A very short history of England & Wales
17:51 The UK votes on flooding the Tryweryn Valley
18:47 Liverpool's plan to flood the valley
19:37 The building of the reservoir
19:59 The eviction of Capel Celyn
20:42 The explosion in Capel Celyn
22:52 The police catch the 3 men.
23:44 I've set up an interview with one of them
24:00 The aftermath of the explosion across Wales
24:24 The demolition of the village
25:25 The year of the drowning (1965)
25:49 The day of the drowning
26:39 A new era of Welsh Nationalism
27:17 Meeting the Tryweryn Bomber
27:57 Why they did it
28:49 The rise of paramilitary groups in Wales
30:22 Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru (MAC)
31:19 The MAC bombings
31:39 The Investiture of the Prince of Wales
33:01 Owain Williams - In hindsight, was it a good idea?
34:17 Welsh Devolution
35:22 What it's like to live here today?
35:45 Liverpool's secret agenda
37:46 Could this happen again?
39:31 Outro & Behind-the-Scenes
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They did the same in the 50's to the village of Moreton. Its now Chew Valley Lake, apparently to serve more water to the city of Bristol.
The land was cleared & excavated, with Bristol Museum & British Museum hoarding many Bronze Age findings that have never been shown to the public.
Moreton was mentioned in the Domesday Book.
No one is allowed to swim in the lake, & only members of the sailing club can row there.
Chew Magna near Bristol was also a village that was "flooded".......Now Chew Valley lake.........
@@emmmoo8631 the lake was the village of Moreton
It wasn't one of the last Welsh speaking communities, but one of the last monolingual Welsh speaking villages. There are plenty of Welsh speaking villages today.
The Welsh language isn't hard to learn and it's useful to have
Why is it useful?
@@arealmandingo multiple reasons; primarily for communication where Welsh is a primary or community language (which is the case in many places in Wales, but especially the north and west).
Having a knowledge of the language allows you to correctly pronounce the place names, to understand their meaning, to access Welsh literature, music and history.
@@arealmandingostupid and ignorant!
@@arealmandingo it isn't.
My Taid (grandfather) was born and raised in Capel Celyn so this really tugs at the heartstrings…..Cofiwch Dryweryn
Myself and my father are in South Wales and both of us are disgusted by what happened! I hope that you're family were ok relocating ❤
Was he there when it happened?
@@WelshGaymer93 Most of the people who lived there, including the children stood on the hill and watched, completely powerless
It made me proud a few weeks ago to pass the spot where the words Coffiwch Dryweryn painted on the stone by the side of the road
@@dianadaly6793can you believe people vandalised it?! Pretty sure they’ve had to repaint it a couple times now.
The Manic Street Preachers' song 'Ready For Drowning' is about this. Outstanding video
The villages of Derwent and Ashopton tragically drowned. For centuries, both villages, once populated by hard-working Yorkshire folk, have lived underwater in the Ladybower Reservoir, in the Peak District, near Sheffield. Not surprisingly, their fate earned them the name of the 'drowned villages'.
Derbyshire Folk, you mean, don't you?
Thank you, I think Ladybower was the one that I was trying to think of. I knew I'd visited one as a child and was told the story, but I couldn't remember where (was definitely in Northern England though, not Wales).
@@hannahk1306 Glad I could help.
@@whyquestionanythingchannel6976 A mix of both I should imagine. The area is one of those blurred boundaries.
I thought that the village of Derwent was in the Derwent reservoir, not so far from the Ladybower, unless they've merged now? I know there's something in the Ladybower, because we could see remains poking out of the water a few years back when we had that drought.
Derwent was used as one of the testing grounds for the bouncing bomb, though - contrary to local legend - that was long after the village itself was flooded.
I live in Yorkshire and we have a village like this just a few miles from where I live. During the bad drought of 1976 the reservoir was dry and people could walk amongst it, the old church included. There are many of them all over.
But this is water for a different country, all of Wales was against it but it changed nothing.
And now you have the Welsh government who have fucked your country more than us english 😂😂😂😂😂
Yh there's loads of them all around the uk but the Welsh think there special as per usual 😂😢
Thrucross by any chance?
The impact on a small country is greater. Everyone has smaller friendship and family groups here, there's only 4° of separation
That so terribly sad, the fact that the water was no longer needed and was being sold on it just a gut punch.
Brilliant documentary. Im from Liverpool and know this story well, its incredibly sad and makes me feel guilty. I love Wales with all my heart, its the most beautiful place with the warmest of people.
Absolutely nothing for you to feel guilty about. My English great grandad came from the Manchester "slums" and life was so hard in those places there's no way they'd have even contemplated where fresh water was coming from as long as they had it. Those in Liverpool were likely told a very flowery sanitised story
Everything happens for a reason u said it best it's jus a fucking story more to what meets the eyes open minds please slagging country's off is no future for humanity
Why did u flood me 😢
@@lewisevans6634 I wonder why they couldn't move the village up the hill and keep the community intact?
🥸I'm only half-way through this VERY interesting footage, I can't wait to understand the whole history of this event! ... Everyone understands the need for unpleasant decisions, "Rome wasn't built in a day!"" as we say... however every person involved will need to be duly compensated and satisfied with the final bill, I think!! ... This village community should have been able to be kept together in a new location, with better roads and housing, at no cost to them! 👍
EDIT: I live just a few kms. from a place near Rome, where the exact opposite happened, a whole enormous lake ( Fucine Lake ) was re-directed to supply Rome! ... Take a look, if you are interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucine_Lake
Thank you for keeping this alive. It’s good to keep history alive. Cymru am byth. Yma o hyd!!
I love this area of wales recognise so much of the footage. The tale of the downed village has been chilling me for a while but I have never quite been able to get the to bottom of it. Amazing Video.
"Ond nid yw'r blodau'n tyfu nawr...
Dŵr oer sy'n cysgu yn Nhryweryn"
(But flowers don't grow now...
Cold water is sleeping in Tryweryn) - Meic Stevens
Cofiwch Dryweryn!!!!! Thank you for making this video and spreading awarness of our history which is too often forgotten. Diolch yn fawr!
i went here recently and its so insanely bleak when you're actually there and know what happened. i think capel celyn was very similar to nearby arenig and llidiardau, which themselves feel almost abandoned, especially arenig. i saw aeron as the path from the road to his farm goes along the old railway to where capel celyn halt was, but i didnt know he went to the school in capel celyn. haunting
Thank you for putting out such an amazing documentary! Especially since it shines a light on a lesser known event in history.
We need more of these independent documentaries today more than ever before.
Thank you so much for the super like and so glad you enjoyed it
@@Faultlinevideos You've only given it a heart because they gave you money, your channel is spreading minor misinformation to stir up reactions.
@@Faultlinevideos here in aus.. we have sooo much water.. but, the gov dont care.. theres been an ausie,& america army, that were going to build a pipe line from w.a. / n.t. to adelaide, sydney, for free. was rejected.. water here could be free.. while in cairns qld, i was digging a hole for pillaers for the casino, in t/ville. 7ft down, i struck fresh water, running out of the soil. 1/4 mile off shore.. being british, & coming to aus in 71, a7 taught nothing about history of u.k. i thought wales was a separate state, gov.. like scotland.. as usual, keep the populace dmb, so we can control them easier.. the american were also going to build a road from adelaide to syd. got rejected also. in cairns, theres a road called aumuller st. it was built by the u.s. army, to get supplies to there ships, over a marsh,bog. a famous general was stationed there.. his boat, was still at cairns ship yards in 85.. the industrial part of cairns, is built over this marsh,bog. it vibrates, when driven over.. really wierd sensation.. you,ll also find, pre historic, finds, buildings, going against mainstream archi. , are drowned, to cover them up.. nothing to see, go home, its just a rock, ...... im scot decent.. & protestant..living in aus.. excellent... 66. keep up the vids, i seek truth, not bs..
@@aviamonix "minor misinformation?" Is not necessary when you have the line to the effect that it was cheaper to flood a village, destroy a community rather then use an uninhabited valley. And did they reimburse Wales for the water, the people for the disruption and loss of their historical references?
I grew up in the fifties and sixties and now at 78 I hear this for the first time, how terrible! Yes I think it could happen again especially in today’s world !!! Excellent video report.
They flooded a village near me to make roadford reservoir and in the summer you can see the roofs of the house
Amazing documentary. As a Welshman, this is the first time I am hearing of this.
how? are you from the South? Everyone I know (from the North) knows too well about it.
@@9wowable I'm from the far south
@@aye3678 Cernyw / Cornwall ? Most in the south who care for their country know about Capel Celyn ,
COFIWCH TRYWERYN?
Dim cymro go iawn llu
@@9wowable Im from the South and pretty much everyone knows it here too
Thank you for keeping history alive so this is not forgotten
As a child, I often wondered why it was we received water from Wales, it was always lovely popping to Wales and drinking from the springs and fountains in certain towns. I live in a hard water area now, so that’s actually the one thing I miss. Lovely part of the world is Wales and I’m always happy to visit 👍
I am in awe at how good this is! Thank you so much for highlighting this part of Welsh history. Diolch o galon i ti. (Thank you from my heart)
As an American we have a lot of towns that were made like this too. And of course affected. You know small rural towns. But especially black majority towns
Yes, it’s always the people with the least voice that are ignored and exploited…just like we are in Wales.
Man, reading about American highway projects and how they purposely cut through majority black communities and redlining in the US in general really makes your blood boil a little.
@@countesscable Don't make me laugh, we have our own devolved government England does not, we are also a net drain on the British economy getting billion of £ of subsidies and extra budget from the Central government, not as bad as Scotland but a drain nonetheless. England is equivalent to Washington DC without their own representation except by the central government.
Mate, the United States is a different beast, they destroyed entire civilisations and replaced them with samey concrete grids.
@@SirZanZawhy are you England's bitch
Very well produced video. It's clear that a lot of effort has been put into this. I do think that rather than this being an England vs Wales issue, it's more a Government vs people issue, as in the 30s a similar event happened in the Lake District to Mardale Green where people were evicted for another dam project. However, I believe that videos like this are crucial in ensuring that these historical events are remembered.
The framing on this video is just terrible, as you say. Similarly destroyed villages---whether for reservoirs, military grounds, or simply rich people's private property---can be found in England. Too often we see things as ethnicity/nationality conflict, when really it's a people versus elites conflict. Pushing an ethnicity/nationality framing just diverts us from understanding the real problems in the world.
@@EmmaMaySeven Well said. I guess it's fashionable these days to destroy and vilify England's past.
@@EmmaMaySeven I think there are things in this story that do shift it from just a standard story of elite vs people.The choice to look for a location on the other side of the border in the first place knowing that it would be politically easier, and then that turning out to be the case even though not a single Welsh MP voted for it. No one in our country with or without power consented to it and it happened anyway.
Eventually, this issue culminated in the May 68 protests.
@@EmmaMaySeven There are definitely aspects of ethnicity and nationality which tie into this story but you are right about its rather narrow framing. More than a couple of Faultline videos tend to be a little sensationalist and framed in a way to stir outrage but I imagine that's because its the best way to get impressions and engagement on the videos. I think the most egregious example so far is the Bubble Tea video.
Incredible content, so underrated. Can’t wait to see you blow up
I walked through the village when a drought hit in the 80's...
The rivulet still ran under the bridge....
The cemetery was the saddest sight...
SHAME
There was a film "The Last Days of Dolwyn" released in 1949 that is about a drowned village. The parallels are strong. Probably based on the village of Llanwddyn, drowned in the 1880s, to provide water for Liverpool.
Amazing work as always.
Thanks!
the production values of this video is amazing. Obvs the content is amazing. But the little radio and the turning/clicking years: chef's kiss! PS if you think this is mad, NofI will blow your mind.
His editor is using a Johnny Harris template for the production
It's a simple but highly effective method of setting historical perspective and contemporaneous communications systems.The Zoomers and post zoomers were born into a digital world. Those transistors are as new to them now as they were to the boomers back when!
Excellent documentary, well done. My heart goes out to all those who lived in and are linked to Capel Celyn.
Thanks for sharing content in such manner and facing this kind of topic. Outstanding video!
Divisive video. A few villages in my part of England were flooded to make a reservoir also.
Yes, and Cardiff and Newport flooded villages for reservoirs too. What Liverpool did was reprehensible, but the truth is there were Welsh cities that rode roughshod over their own people in the precise same way. The narrative demands that we forget Pontsticill.
Exactly the same thing happened in northern England when the village of kielder was demolished to make way for kielder reservoir
But the difference being England done this to another country.
@@alynwillams4297'Another country' aka the Wirral and Liverpool where many many Welsh people commuted or moved to for work because they didn't have any?
@@wilfulsprite555 yes that’s it. In the country of England.
@@alynwillams4297 So if the water had been for Wrexham it would all have been fine? Actually no it wouldn't. In any case 'England' didn't do it. A city in England did it. Most of England had nothing to do with it. Plus Cardiff used the same UK Parliament acts to flood Pontsticill, but the narrative demands we forget that. If someone is going to flood your home it doesn't make one damned bit of difference if it's "your country" doing it or "another country". The net result is the same.
@@RW-nr6bh Dismissing the flooding of Capel Celyn as just “a city in England did it” is infuriatingly simplistic. This wasn’t an isolated act! it was part of a pattern of English dominance over Wales, fueled by a political system where Welsh voices were historically marginalized. The fact that Cardiff also used UK Parliament acts to flood Pontsticill doesn’t erase the specific injustice faced by Capel Celyn. Each incident has its own context, and lumping them together is dismissive of the unique grievances and historical tensions involved. Saying “if it had been for Wrexham, it would have been fine” is a gross oversimplification. The issue isn’t just about who benefits from the water it’s about the sheer disregard for the communities being destroyed. When an entire village is wiped off the map, it doesn’t matter if it’s “your country” or “another country” doing it the pain and loss are the same. But in the case of Capel Celyn, it was exacerbated by a history of English exploitation and control. This isn’t about narrative convenience it’s about recognizing the real and justified anger of people who were ignored and steamrolled by those in power. Ignoring this context is an insult to those who suffered and continue to feel the impact of these decisions.
Excellent video, thank you for this. It’s incredibly important story that not many people know about.
Very well put together thank you
My water in Liverpool is nice soft water. Looks like I have got Wales to thank. Both Liverpool and North Wales are intricately linked. Spend many of holiday and trip to Wales. Llangollen is one of my favorite places to be in general.
Cofiwch Dryweryn!
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@@RonSill1986what’s funny?
@@34547 being upset with a village being sunk for water to feed a city the Welsh people helped populate.
Thanks for making this.
A very well made documentary. I’m looking forward to watching your other videos. Keep up the good work.
You do such a wonderful job with your investigative research. I truly hope you have a long prosperous career continuing to do this kind of work
A very sad story. But villages in England suffered the same fate:
Ashopton (Derbyshire), Mardale Green (Cumbria), Nether Hambleton (Rutland), Peasdown (Essex), and others.
Villages in Wales were also flooded to create reservoirs for Cardiff and Newport. While what Liverpool did to Capel Celyn was reprehensible, Cardiff and Newport treated their own people no better, it's just you couldn't apply a nationalist angle to it, so they got forgotten.
Thank you for this amazing video x
Quality video, very well put together! Subscribed!!
Severely underrated video, amazing work as always! Hopefully more people know about this, very interesting and insightful piece of mostly forgotten history for sure!
NEVER FORGOTTEN ! Cofiwch Dryweryn ✊
Remember me of Indonesia's Kendungombo Dam, where past government military junta deliberately drowned a village for cost cutting constructions, although the UK Welsh one has more of it's political impact due the bit ugly history between Welsh people with and a stronger one (Prevailing eastern neighboring ethnic's).
Coming from a small town flooded by a reservoir in South Australia I can understand this a bit more. Though it happened in the 1880s. My father [born 1920] was a self appointed local historian. The family had been in the area since 1852.
What was a small township with a couple of churches, shops etc plus a few dozen homes with vineyards, some grazing was taken as a reservoir. Part of what became a chain of reservoirs sometimes sourced from the river Murray into the Onkaparinga. This over around 75 years.This was not like Wales, water was needed to keep metro Adelaide as well as the local area in decent water. This is the driest state in the driest continent. The thing with this reservoir it was not fed by local catchment which was deemed unsuitable with various farming. Cattle, sheep, pigs, vineyards, orchards and more was deemed to not good for the water which generally came from higher in the hills.
Really all that was left of the original township was the blacksmiths home and shop,, our home from about 1950 on and the Congegational church still in business. Also interesting this reservoir has leaked since it was built that made about a third of our 11 acres a swamp that continiued down the low lying land for about 6 miles. The main earthern wall however is as good as new,, if it ever failed it would cause masive disruption for around 10 miles to the ocean. What was inner rural in my youth is now thousands of homes
@ldnwholesale8552 I am a Tasmanian descendant of the Symonds family from Gumeracha/Chain of Ponds. Are you also a descendant?
What well made, fascinating documentary. Something I’d never heard of, or really thought about despite spending a lot of time in the area of Bala. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Awsome documentary! I Had no idea of this town but how fascinating! I am loving these longer videos, so good to sit down and watch a brilliantly made documentary
England flooded the Welsh village? Or the UK did? Wales is part of the UK. Many English villages have been flooded too.
Amazing video a story than should be told but is brushed under the carpet.
Throughly enjoyed the presentation and quality. You have a new subscriber. Can’t wait to watch more of your content.
Brilliant research, thankyou
I saw this video on my recommended and at first watch I was certain that this channel had a million subscribers and the video too but I was completely shocked to see that this channel is frankly, not anywhere near as big as it should be. The investigation and, for me, editing was simply perfect. I wish you the best of luck in future videos as this was just astounding.
I love this documentary, really great journalism!
I never knew this stuff happened until watching this brilliantly made and very informative video. Thank you .
You really hit it out of the park with this one
I think what a lot of people don’t acknowledge about this is that Liverpool at the time and still today has a very large Welsh population. It was built of the backs Welsh and Irish emigrants, of which most of the current population is descended from today. (Hence, “Scouse not English” saying)Just look at the most common family names there.
My great grandad was a 3rd generation scouser and spoke fluent Welsh. Always identified as vehemently Welsh despite being of mixed background, and this went for a lot of the population at the time. The founder of Plaid Cymru himself was from Birkenhead.
Just a thought when people think of Liverpool vs the Welsh people. We are extremely interconnected. North Wales has million times more to do with Liverpool than Cardiff; which ironically was founded as an English city.
The biggest crime here is the actual wholesale price of Welsh water to England for pennies of its actual value on perpetual leases that were agreed without any significant Welsh consideration. The money lost to Welsh income would be easily enough to fund any deficit we are facing at the moment, but instead it’s going to subsidising private English water companies who are making absurd amounts on a a commodity they Prather for free.
I'm Scouse born and proud English, not Irish, Welsh or anything else.
Cardiff existed as a settlement long before the Normans arrived. It remained relatively small until the industrial boom in the 18C. It is wrong to suggest it was founded by the English.
@@FullNietzsche Obviously they weren't talking about you then.
@@siarlb8115 Exactly, Cardiff Castle still has sections of masonry from the roman legionary fort which was built there. And the romans only built stone forts on pre existing settlements so they could be supplied and keep order. So a settlement almost certainly existed before even the romans arrived, let alone the Normans.
We had this happen in Derbyshire, in a place called Carsington.
Thank you for making this documentary, I didn’t even know, I’m proud to be Welsh 🏴
That was extremely interesting, thanks ❤️🏴
I caught your (fantastic) talk at the UK Photo Video Show and I think you mentioned you were setting off to film this the next day! Mindblowing that you've managed to capture it and put it all together in just a few weeks. Can't wait to watch, especially with the added context of your talk. Awesome work!
one very interesting fact you missed is that Ffrongoch, only a few miles down stream from Llyn Celyn there was a prison camp that in 1916 housed IRA dissidence from the Easter rising.
Very well researched.
love your stuff
This isn't a question of English dominance over Wales. The Welsh mountains were just the nearest suitable hills to Liverpool where a reservoir could be built.
Manchester flooded valleys in the Lake District, there are reservoirs throughout the Pennines, much of Rutland is under water etc.
If you have a big population in big cities then you need reservoirs. And building reservoirs floods small rural villages. That's life!
Considering how closed off Capel Celyn was, I can sort of see how the English could hide something like this. Doesn't make it any less tragic, though. 🏴
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*British not English. The majority of MPs at that time were Scottish
It happened in England too.
Fantastic film, thank you
That was a beautiful video thank yiu
And of course, this drowning of a Welsh village eventually led to the May 68 protests that were happening all across Britain.
Villages were flooded in England weren't they?
very informative thank you
Thanks I enjoyed watching this 😊
One of the best documentaries I've seen in a long, long time. You 100% earned my sub
Thanks so much, glad to have you here!
You're a compelling and authentic storyteller. This was a fantastic video, diolch
Fabulous and hard work, this video. It should be shown in schools.
This video is a master piece.
great coverage, ive seen videos about this when the water is low but didnt realize there was so much more to it
not all graves were removed, there is footage taken by divers of graves under the waters
A lot of comments willfully ignoring that Liverpool could've just as easily kept all the water they were selling elsewhere for themselves, and find somewhere else within their own country to flood. The point isn't that England also flooded Cumbrian villages and thereby, not a case of Welsh oppression. Are you somehow trying to insinuate that despite a majority of MPs voting against the bill, that it's perfectly okay to stroll in and flatten a village anyway?
Exactly. Thanks for this comment. So much deflection and whataboutism going on!
@@paperflowers-ks6vv "But what about the ENGLISH villages that were flooded that don't get any mention." Exactly the point, the video isn't about the English - it's about a different country that England had no qualms about strolling in and meddling with despite political opposition.
@@abdullahsarker3595 Spot on. Plus the destruction of a monolingual village, and the Welsh language has been under threat due to English interference.
What England does to it's own people is their business.
As you say, Wales is a separate country but had no say, and was used to provide water for a country that has historically oppressed them.
People are really trying to deflect!
@abdullahsitarker3595 it wasn't England, it was the British government. A government woth a majority Scottish parliament
I knew the story from the Manic Street Preachers song Ready For Drowning. What I didn’t know was the location and that I’d driven around the reservoir countless times on my ventures to North Wales. Fantastic video and great interviews, thank you!
great video 🔥🔥🔥
They do this to villages in the north as well
Exactly, the video stirs up fake outrage against the English for some reason.
They do this to villages everywhere.
When you need reservoirs, for either storage, energy, or overflow you just look at topographic lines, then strike places off if there’s too many people.
A village is really not going to be worth retaining. I haven’t seen the video yet but normally we just compulsory purchase the homes and … life goes on. The society as a whole needs things, roads, trains, water, power, best to get those with as little harm as possible, but nothing is perfectly easy. The three gorges damn displaced 10s of thousands, the us has done the same, Italians, Austrians. If you’re a country that needs them, it’s just gonna happen, it’s the cost of doing buisness as a society.
The key thing to note is that this was one of the few remaining fully Welsh speaking villages in Wales. For us Welsh people it felt like England were stealing from us once again and we couldn't do anything about it
And trust me I'm someone who is usually very supportive of infrastructure projects that help the country as a whole. However this project only benefited one City in England
It seems to me like a way for Welsh nationalists to drum up support for themselves. I don’t disagree with that since those in need of the support will turn to what they can.
The issue here that I take is the underhandedness of the whole affair on the part of Liverpool, and the government. Everything should have been clear and open. Meetings with locals and leaders prioritised to encourage friendship and compromise for the people. As spoken about in other comments, this village was a fully Welsh speaking village, an important note for Wales. The creation of new communities emphasising Welsh could have happened just as an example.
Ultimately, one city is going to take priority over one village. This is think is acceptable regardless of the border, so long as fair compensation is made. My feeling is further reinforced by the incoming climate catastrophe. Water security is essential, and if my town was to be taken over for national security reasons, then I’d completely understand.
Wales: is happy*
England: nononono we can't allow that know, can we
And that was how the May 68 protests started.
Know?
Fascinating. Well done doing all of this!
Absolutely fantastic and fascinating video ...... The things that happened we never knew about ....... Thankyou and love from New Zealand 🙃😉😎
its is made out like this is some. spitful thing the english did to the welsh, but most reservoirs including in England were created using the exact same methods. Forcibly displacing entire villages. Capelcelyn is not unique nor special in that regard
Thank you for doing this documentary. Your Nain a Taid would be proud ❤
Excellent presentation. If you ever visit South Wales I’d love to help with your documentary. Many thanks.
I learned about this because of the Crown and also Archer's Free Wales Army
And also the May 68 protests.
Ayo I also learned about this from the show Archer
The show sucks but I like how it taught me history
Great documentary. I am an Englishman who lives in North Wales. I speak Cymraeg hefyd. As a proud modern Brit, I care a lot about the Welsh communities and although I am sad this happened, I am also glad that this was a catalyst for change which eventually led to Wales forming its own assembly in the 90’s. I hope this never happens again
Amazing video
In my view it wasn't England it was the British government deciding to use this British land to provide water. Yes it eas handeld terribly as was the flooding of what we now call lake Vrynwy but what else are they supposed to do when the closest land able to hold this much water was in wales alone.
No, it was England. Wales didn’t need more water, the people living there didn’t want it or need it and not a single Welsh MP voted for it.
The same thing happened in New England (USA), in the Swift River Valley of Massachusetts; four towns erased and flattened in the 1930s to create the Quabbin Reservoir. Sadly no real reaction ever came of it and many don't remember what is beneath the reservoir today, but there's songs about what happened.
I'm guessing, given the size of the US, it's even harder for people to make their voices heard. The fact there are songs about it though! 😁👏
The difference is, how resentful would you be if Canada did this to you?
@@mixodorians12 I'm not understanding what you mean. Could you expand? Thank you. 😊
@@mixodorians12 Mate that is a ridiculous question. Wales is part of a union - Canada and the USA are entirely different nations.
@@bestboy1986wales is not voluntarily part of the union.
Excellent 👌
I've been passing this lake for many years now on my way to Porthmadog for a holiday. Your video has opened my mind. I have learned a lot from it. As an English man from the Midlands I shall feel very guilty when I drive past later in the year. Great video thank you.
It wasn't one of the last Welsh speaking communities by any means and it wasn't "England" who did this it was the Liverpool corporation.
Having said that, the least they could have done was build a replacement village where everyone had x10 bigger houses and x3 more land.
Furthermore, when Wales institutes a Welsh Only language policy in politics, the media and all spheres of public life (not before time!) maybe Liverpool should be incorporated into Wales and forced to speak Welsh. While this would serve them right for drowning this gorgeous village, the gift of the Welsh language is the greatest of all blessings. Almost overnight Liverpool's deprived inner cities would be transformed into a Welsh-speaking paradise of song and laughter with a welcome in the hillside for every Scouser from Llanfiangelararth to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch!
Well, everyone speaks with Liverpool accent in the Isle of Man, so why not the otherwise round, I guess
I've just posted that I'd be happy for the divide lines to be re drawn to incorporate Liverpool in to Wales. But as to force us to speak Welsh? We would happily adopt the language if this happened. But are you telling me that Welsh people are forced to speak the language?. Most people in Liverpool would have more affiliation with Wales that Whitehall.
I started learning Welsh again and it's so gorgeous I think everyone should speak Welsh!
It was England, because their MPs voted it through. England had the political power to prevent it, but agreed to it going ahead.
@@cfor8129 NOT 'England'. That makes as much sense as saying Basingstoke forced it on the Welsh. There were no national MPs, only British ones. Their remit was to the UK, not any of the constituent regions.
OH. MY. GOD. I have been looking for the information at 16:50 for like years. I'm american and a random questions I've always had is why the royal titles have association with seemingly random places. Prince of WALES, duchess of ESSEX, etc etc. Why? Why those places. Finding that answer is harder than it seems and yet it's so simple as I just learned!!!
Not our Prince, they can themselves what they want 😂
Check out Cambrian Chronicles. I can't recommend that channel enough if you want to learn about what Prince of Wales really means. Or the history of the country over the centuries going back to pre roman times.
The title Prince is derived from Latin and is kind of a higher authority than king.Think Prince = Principle ruler.
Wales was previously had their own Welsh Princes. I don’t think you will find many native Welsh people who regard the ‘Prince of Wales’ as being their own. Great swathes of land are still owned here by English Dukes and Earls.
@@countesscable My father said that what angered a lot of our countryfolk was that the-then Prince Charles was given the title of the Duke of Cornwall at birth rather than the Prince of Wales.
@@67Doofus I do remember at an International (rugby) game between England and Wales, Prince William (as heir to the title Prince of Wales no doubt) was officially supporting Wales. You could just TELL his heart wasn't in it! 🙄
I am Welsh and lived in Wales in 1965, but had never heard of this, its a terrible thing to happen. Thank you for making this documentary and making people aware.
What I find shocking is, I went to school in North Wales. The schools would split the class room into different groups. Some schools would call these houses.
One school used names of lakes and ogwyn, tegid and celyn were used yet this is the 1st time I've heard about what happened at celyn
Excellent, it's clear how much work has gone in to this. Love the illegal trespassing with an OAP farmer. x
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Imagine the outrage if the European parliament decided to flood Leicester.
Yeah because the European parliament doesn't own the UK England does own Wales we invaded it ages ago
Turn Leicester into a lake ? Yes please , it’s a 💩 hole
@@markjames6669 So is London.
As soon as i saw the title and thumbnail, i knew it was Wales. Thank you for this
It’s such an amazing telling story sorry for this people loss everything they have built up and often they live too …
Really appreciate this. I'm not Welsh (I'm in fact Irish), but this resonates with me and reminds me why even though I live in England, I refuse to own a UK passport. Because I can't support the decisions made by the Government at this point in time. And I'll probably still have this position when Labour comes in, because Labour is absolutely not what it used to be. No respect for people at all.
My Gran was Irish and when you think of the historical genocide of the Irish poor by the English,I don’t blame you.
@@countesscable And slavery too. Slavery is a big thing people seem to forget was a thing. If they weren't slaves to the British, they were slaves to the Church (the church ran a lot of these so-called workhouses in Ireland too). People seem to love to joke about the Irish and potatoes, but those blasted things were the only things we were allowed to grow for a very long time, and when the blight hit, a lot of Irish folk died, while their landowners sat there smug in their castles and fancy manor houses.
@@countesscable Most of the Ulster planters were Scottish, not English. Keep stoking the fires of victimhood though, rather than moving on eh?
But Irish still blame English people as a whole for what happened in the 1800s, that was our past and is nothing whatsoever to do with us nowadays, many Irish have settled in England and are more likely better off than being back home in Ireland,