@@pinhe4d321 1. I know I started with the Buu saga and rewatched all DB & DBZ 2. Yeah, I know but the transformations have become a bit confusing (android 17 with equal power with ssj blue…) I think the original comment is referring to the fact that some transformations have become obsolete… even characters like Majin Buu were once a threat, but now… teven the previous versions of the SSJ… have become an itch on the back (universe 6’s Saiyan). They are still cool but in terms of power up they can’t keep up with god level enemies.
@bepbobbap They didn't unlock ssj 2, they just had ssj because Goku and Vegeta's sperm had enough power level to make achieving normal ssj easy (That's literally how it works)
18:13 another thing people forget.. this "Metal" was also used as the structure for the tournament of power, except the material was an even stronger than universe 7's. So all those moments where you see someone get clapped through a wall or boulder, remind yourself just how crazy that is.
Visually goku’s SS1 was done better imo but the emotional buildup for gohan turning into SS2 still gives me chills. Both are so iconic but all of the comments from other characters about gohan going beyond SS also makes it awesome!
Please make a whole video on the Gohan and his power specifically. Include his transformations. He is a fascinating character I would like to know more about. I have seen all dragon ball series mostly but a video from you on that would be great.
My favorite demonstration of SSJ2 is the battle between Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku. Blow for BLOW !! Greatest anticipated fight of the series. I'd still say its the best fight of DBZ. Honestly of the DB series in a whole. More focus on boxing than ki blasts. And they were also used to a minimum in that fight.
"All three people " lol exactly, tell them to do more research because clearly we see the signs of vegeta being very confident in his ssj2 form before he seen kakarots. Once he seen it he needed to close that small gap so lets say kakarots power is 2 billion when he transforms, vegeta knew his was at 1 billion he needed to close that much of a gap,smh their powers were then equal in ssj2 once vegeta got that stamp on his forehead Edit: oh and one more thing.. "theyll love this one" .. remember vegeta unlocked ssj god on his own? .. welll thats all ill be saying lol
I know right😂 like why are people burning over something like this. It’s the same with people who are willing to die on a hill regarding Gohan not going ssj2 against Broly.
12:26 Make an argument? Its the reason that Vegeta went Majin in the first place. It also adds more to the narrative that pre majin vegeta unlocksd ss2
I just want to take the time say while the back tingle method is pretty weak in the anime it does have enormous advantage compare to the traditional way. Think of this when you first awaken Super Saiyan, your body is engrossed with power that both ancient and overwhelming. Your attacks are 50x more potent and stronger than before. Not only that, it creates like a tunnel vision of focus in your mind like "I won't stop unless he's breath is snuff out" like when Goku fought Frieza. Dude was so focus on taking him out his sense of reason was long gone and the emotional impact it carries with that form is really frighten. But with the back tingle, all those negative effects and traits are reduced greatly. You have a clear head when fighting, the emotional and mental toll is lessen, and drawback of being very fatigued is reduced. I am not saying the back tingle method is great and in fact I wish another method was use as a substitute, but the way to attaining Super Saiyan during this way is still worth praised for taking away and negative impact of the form. People keep in mind than Universe 6 Saiyan are shown more peaceful than U7 and their worlds and ways while similar are still different.
Even being technical know Goku witnessed a glimpse of SSJ2 kid Gohan. in the hyperbolic time chamber. This was hinted within the manga. The anime showed us what it was that was hinted at. That’s why in both the manga be busy and the anime DBZ Kai master Corrine said this you know something hung Goku. That shows the implication that Goku witnessed go hunt in a potential both in the manga and in the anime manga gives reference to the head without revealing it. The anime actually reveals the reference and the heat. Critical thinking and common sense is rare.
I hate how these animators of super never refer to the artwork of the comics: Trunks’s hair didn’t look like that at ssj2. Thank you for the manga references
Daizenshuu stated that unlike Gohan, Goku and Vegeta got ssj2 with hard training, Vegeta had ssj2 at the start of Buu saga but he was weaker than Goku, thats why he needed majin boost to be equal to goku's ssj2
I think Vegeta got SSJ2 before the Buu saga and he knew Goku also had it with the fight with Yarkon and that's why he let himself become Majin Vegeta to give himself a boost over Goku but he didn't know Goku already got to SSJ3 and that's why they were even. Vegeta transformed too naturally for it to be his first time using it against Goku.
Exactly! I wanted to say that Vegeta transformed way too smoothly for a first timer. But I know people will point to caulifla who achieved it like it’s nothing. That’s why I avoided using that point.
The whole Vegeta thing is weird to me. Vegeta was confident in his chances against Goku when he saw ssj1 Goku, it wasn’t until Goku went ssj2 against Yakkon that he decided to use Babadi. This means that base Vegeta = base Goku, ssj1 Vegeta = ssj1 Goku but ssj2 Vegeta < ssj2 Goku, since it was stated that Vegeta wasn’t on his level until he got the Majin power up. Or it means Vegeta didn’t have ssj2.
context from DBZ kakarot dlc/manga for trunks ssj2 After trunks was trained by supreme kai with the Z sword, they went to fight babidis minions. in trunk's timeline, he never broke the Z sword. After desperation in the fight of dabura, Trunks obtains SSJ2 and beats Dabura
vegeta was ssj2 before the fight but i think he stated that he needed more power to fight goku ( means goku ssj2 > vegeta ssj2 but with majin he is either equal or maybe even a bit stronger than goku
I wanted to point out the garlic or is not Kenneth everything from old-school DBZ dub is not canon. The official anime canon that is synonymous to the DBZ manga is DBZ Kai. Also it was always a dub error in the original DBZ anime. Gohan was never 11 years of age. He just turned 9 years.
I hate how Vegeta’s transformations are so lame. Goku, Trunks and Gohan all change their appearances, but for Vegeta is the same regardless of the form. Luckily Daima changed this with his SSJ3 form and Super with the Ultra Ego form as well.
Yo I feel like Goten and Goku black I feel like they can go super Saiyan 2 I believe that and to be honest I kind of like super Saiyan Goku black and I kind of hate in the anime show
9:25 it’s a damn shame do you deny the anime to your dying breath. The whole purpose in the DBZ Kai anime official cannon which is synonymous to the DBZ manga as stated by Akira Toriyama rest in power to him and his holding legacy in the behind for us. The purpose of the enemy which is the official canon card, what is the show that this is what Goku saw in the hyperbolic time chamber or anime filler I am DBZ Kai is canon to the manga because as stated by Akira Toriyama the monger is synonymous to the enemy. The enemy is synonymous to the monger. What does that mean? They are one canon. Stop hating on the enemy. Respect the authors legacy.
Canon doesn’t work that way buddy. Anime is anime. Whatever happens in the anime that doesn’t occur in the manga IS FILLER!!! Unless stated by the author in an interview that certain scene occurred. No ifs buts and maybes.
@ What you’re stating is absolutely true. But then why are you disregarding another statement from the author Ed Sheeran Toyama stating this manga and anime are synonymous to one another. Look up the word synonymous can you understand what that means for the Kenneth and don’t believe me you can look this stuff up and find the quotes that occur Toyama said word for word. The implication of the word synonymous equates to The canon of both the manga and the anime. Since I’m sure you’re not gonna do it I’ll give you the definition right here. Synonymous of a word or phrase having a very similar or the same meaning. The same does not mean a deviation is not mean two different directions it means one in the same or one and similar. What you are suggesting is a complete deviation from the web is the word synonymous actually means which is a ploy from the original author Akira Toriyama in reference to the manga and anime the manga which is DBZ and the official anime which is DBZ Kai. They are synonymous to one another that means they are one canon. To further invalidate and expose you and many other friends. You guys see the Manga events and the enemy events for the Frieza Arden are the same. The Mongol events and the enemy events for the cell arc are the same. Now here’s where the light comes in. But when it comes to the Buu Arc The Manga events in the anime events are not the same. That contradicts what the word synonymous means in the application to the manga and anime going in the same direction following the same story narrative and reaching the same conclusion. The third arc of DBZ a.k.a. The Buu Arc Manga and anime are one and the same. There is no deviation between any arc in the busy not from the monger not from the enemy. They are as one. Essentially myself and Akira Toriyama are saying the same thing. You and many other fans are creating attention and division because you were saying the polar opposite of what the creator of the original creator of DDZ actually said “The manga is synonymous to the anime“ The word synonymous means of the same or similar. The word synonymous does not equal different. I rest my case.
Caulifla is one of the worst characters. Not only did she get Super Saiyan through backtingle, she also got Super Saiyan 2 by accident because "I need moar powa". Cringe.
oh god the US dub is so bad... never realized they made gohan talk when he lost it and transformed.,... a scene that did not require anything but the original soundtrack (not the US garbage soundtrack)
Hi All!
If we can get this video to 1K likes I’m going to drop the Super Saiyan 3 video!
1000th like so get on going with the SSJ 3 version lol
"its just a back tingle right"
As far as the univeres 6 sayians😅
Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2 used to be a huge deal until the Buu saga.
Correct
DB super makes everything obsolete.
That goes for every power up until the next arc that adds a more powerful power up
@@jakxrenegade29R 1. Buu saga is a part of Z
2. Heck, SSJ and SSJ2 were still used in DBS
@@pinhe4d321 1. I know I started with the Buu saga and rewatched all DB & DBZ 2. Yeah, I know but the transformations have become a bit confusing (android 17 with equal power with ssj blue…)
I think the original comment is referring to the fact that some transformations have become obsolete… even characters like Majin Buu were once a threat, but now…
teven the previous versions of the SSJ… have become an itch on the back (universe 6’s Saiyan).
They are still cool but in terms of power up they can’t keep up with god level enemies.
My favorite transformation sequence was kid Gohan. It was so sad and exciting and it created a meaning to the transformation
Really enjoying the new editing style of these videos. It’s clear that you spent a lot of time editing this piece of art.
Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, and everybody else with ssj2: worked hard and trained or got put in an intense situation
Universe 6 Saiyans: hehe my back itches
For fuck sake its only Caulifla
only caulifla's dumb prodigy ass
cabba got it as he's supposed to...
Goten and trunks:
@bepbobbap
They didn't unlock ssj 2, they just had ssj because Goku and Vegeta's sperm had enough power level to make achieving normal ssj easy (That's literally how it works)
@@irenosenalenkhe1568it was both the female Saiyans
When I was a kid I called ssj2 "spiky sparkling" super saiyan
Makes me wonder what ssj3 was lol
What like a mega saiyan
@@wiwopkxmapknt6251 I think I called it super “long hair”saiyan
"Ultra mega super saiyan!?" ~tien TFS
@ Maximum Over Saiyan
Funny how Kefla can only go SS2 but Gotenks can go SS3
Metamorans are weird af.... I don't believe potara is stronger
When would they have had time to specifically train for ssj3?
Gotenks trained if you remember. Kefla didn’t
Gotenks trained at least.
SUPER DUPER SAIYAN...
Maximum Ultra Saiyan
Super D duper saiyan
What a great video!
Teen Gohan unlocking SSJ2 is my fav scene in the whole series.
Thanks MoodZi, Happy New Year!!!
Wish you a great 2025 ❤️
@moodzi1322 Thanks man, you too!!! :D
18:13 another thing people forget.. this "Metal" was also used as the structure for the tournament of power, except the material was an even stronger than universe 7's. So all those moments where you see someone get clapped through a wall or boulder, remind yourself just how crazy that is.
The fact that super saiyan transformation started from a legendary myth to a child's play 😢😅😂
Love this video bro! Thank you!!!!
The GOAT is back at it again!
over all this was another amazing video moodzi i like how you put so much depth and detail into the ss 1 and 2 cant wait for 3 even
Thanks! I’m glad you noticed. The next one won’t disappoint. Because we are going even further beyond!
Visually goku’s SS1 was done better imo but the emotional buildup for gohan turning into SS2 still gives me chills. Both are so iconic but all of the comments from other characters about gohan going beyond SS also makes it awesome!
Please make a whole video on the Gohan and his power specifically. Include his transformations. He is a fascinating character I would like to know more about. I have seen all dragon ball series mostly but a video from you on that would be great.
Gohan was 11 at the cell games, and after 7 years later the show says gohan is 16 not 18 yrs old did anyone notice that?
Nope he was 9 in the manga. Or technically 10 due to HBTC
He was 10 in 1/2
More heat...as always!
My favorite demonstration of SSJ2 is the battle between Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku. Blow for BLOW !! Greatest anticipated fight of the series. I'd still say its the best fight of DBZ. Honestly of the DB series in a whole. More focus on boxing than ki blasts. And they were also used to a minimum in that fight.
Gohan was 12 when he fought Cell. He Teen Gohan.
He was 9 in the manga
showing love to the future TL >>>
My favorite form, its just something about the sharper hair & aura with the blue electricity that is so cool.
Please make a ssj3 Video to
Such high quality
"All three people " lol exactly, tell them to do more research because clearly we see the signs of vegeta being very confident in his ssj2 form before he seen kakarots. Once he seen it he needed to close that small gap so lets say kakarots power is 2 billion when he transforms, vegeta knew his was at 1 billion he needed to close that much of a gap,smh their powers were then equal in ssj2 once vegeta got that stamp on his forehead
Edit: oh and one more thing.. "theyll love this one" .. remember vegeta unlocked ssj god on his own? .. welll thats all ill be saying lol
I know right😂 like why are people burning over something like this. It’s the same with people who are willing to die on a hill regarding Gohan not going ssj2 against Broly.
@MikeJ-t4e oh yeah definitely i remember the gohan vs broly thing lol
words cant express how much i love Piccolo in the cell saga , and how much i love the cell saga smh maaaaaan i want the 90s back !
I hope you guys loved the new editing style!
@MoodZi Hey, in 2025 can you update your old Super Saiyan 3 Facts now that Vegeta has achieved Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Daima.
12:26 Make an argument? Its the reason that Vegeta went Majin in the first place. It also adds more to the narrative that pre majin vegeta unlocksd ss2
How these prodigies Goten and Trunks easily unlock SS1 but have yet to attain SS2? They’re like the only Saiyans that have yet to do so
Narratively they dont need it yet, maybe if we get them as adults and actually have them fight they might unlock ssj2
For gohan, future trunks, goku, and vegeta, SS2 was attained out of necessity/hard training. Goten and trunks haven't had either
I just want to take the time say while the back tingle method is pretty weak in the anime it does have enormous advantage compare to the traditional way. Think of this when you first awaken Super Saiyan, your body is engrossed with power that both ancient and overwhelming. Your attacks are 50x more potent and stronger than before. Not only that, it creates like a tunnel vision of focus in your mind like "I won't stop unless he's breath is snuff out" like when Goku fought Frieza. Dude was so focus on taking him out his sense of reason was long gone and the emotional impact it carries with that form is really frighten. But with the back tingle, all those negative effects and traits are reduced greatly. You have a clear head when fighting, the emotional and mental toll is lessen, and drawback of being very fatigued is reduced. I am not saying the back tingle method is great and in fact I wish another method was use as a substitute, but the way to attaining Super Saiyan during this way is still worth praised for taking away and negative impact of the form. People keep in mind than Universe 6 Saiyan are shown more peaceful than U7 and their worlds and ways while similar are still different.
Even being technical know Goku witnessed a glimpse of SSJ2 kid Gohan. in the hyperbolic time chamber. This was hinted within the manga. The anime showed us what it was that was hinted at.
That’s why in both the manga be busy and the anime DBZ Kai master Corrine said this you know something hung Goku. That shows the implication that Goku witnessed go hunt in a potential both in the manga and in the anime manga gives reference to the head without revealing it. The anime actually reveals the reference and the heat. Critical thinking and common sense is rare.
“It’s got little zappy zaps”
"Thinking of you Goku..."
I think the 3 had the a Power & Abilities as a ssj2 a bit
Vegeta’s hair is extremely defined and spiky in SSJ2
21:48 Why this image man?!?!?!?!
I hate how these animators of super never refer to the artwork of the comics:
Trunks’s hair didn’t look like that at ssj2. Thank you for the manga references
Daizenshuu stated that unlike Gohan, Goku and Vegeta got ssj2 with hard training, Vegeta had ssj2 at the start of Buu saga but he was weaker than Goku, thats why he needed majin boost to be equal to goku's ssj2
I think Vegeta got SSJ2 before the Buu saga and he knew Goku also had it with the fight with Yarkon and that's why he let himself become Majin Vegeta to give himself a boost over Goku but he didn't know Goku already got to SSJ3 and that's why they were even. Vegeta transformed too naturally for it to be his first time using it against Goku.
Exactly! I wanted to say that Vegeta transformed way too smoothly for a first timer. But I know people will point to caulifla who achieved it like it’s nothing. That’s why I avoided using that point.
We can assume that Vegeta didn't even know ssj3 was even possible.
You want to know it's kind of weird in dragon Ball super Goku and the anime uses the kaioken in super Saiyan blue but in the manga he doesn't
27:58 Jumpscared. Didn’t expect to hear Bakugou as Cabba (never seen the dub)
wtf is that Caulifla image💀
ngl i think cabba is kinda valid with his transformations
The whole Vegeta thing is weird to me. Vegeta was confident in his chances against Goku when he saw ssj1 Goku, it wasn’t until Goku went ssj2 against Yakkon that he decided to use Babadi. This means that base Vegeta = base Goku, ssj1 Vegeta = ssj1 Goku but ssj2 Vegeta < ssj2 Goku, since it was stated that Vegeta wasn’t on his level until he got the Majin power up. Or it means Vegeta didn’t have ssj2.
Oh yeah, I forgot this guy exists.
I hate to say it but even Kale achieved SSJ2
That was a controlled berserk form though. But I guess it’s labeled as ssj2 in some games
context from DBZ kakarot dlc/manga for trunks ssj2
After trunks was trained by supreme kai with the Z sword, they went to fight babidis minions. in trunk's timeline, he never broke the Z sword. After desperation in the fight of dabura, Trunks obtains SSJ2 and beats Dabura
An Electric ⚡️ finale( 2024 tomorrow )
I feel like cabbas ssj2 wasint just the most deserved but ngl it was way more effort behind it then caulifla
Next video: super saiyan 3 ( vegeta 😏)
They shoulda made Vegeta’s SSJ2 look different from his SSJ.
3:59 Beerus is a cat lol
vegeta was ssj2 before the fight but i think he stated that he needed more power to fight goku ( means goku ssj2 > vegeta ssj2 but with majin he is either equal or maybe even a bit stronger than goku
Ultimate trunks wouldve been dope
I wanted to point out the garlic or is not Kenneth everything from old-school DBZ dub is not canon. The official anime canon that is synonymous to the DBZ manga is DBZ Kai.
Also it was always a dub error in the original DBZ anime. Gohan was never 11 years of age. He just turned 9 years.
I feel Goten in Gohan place would of done better, being a person who sees fighting as fun.
Dang I wonder what level of ssj Caulifa would reach if she had a tingly feeling in her pum pum😂😂😂
U6 really deminshed ssj with the exception of Cabba.
I want to see how saiyans unlocked super saiyan 3
l like kid gohan turns supersaiyan 2 after seen android 16 killed by perfect cell
21:48 why did bro use this image
So people like you can comment and boost this video in the algorithm.
@@moodzi1322 bro didn't even hide it just told me outright
You forgot SSJ 2 Shaggy
When super Saiyan 3!!!!
Let’s goooooo
It’s got little zappy zaps
Fzzzzzzt shwaz shwazt fzzzzzzz
21:48 it was NOT that satisfying
Oh I didn’t know you represent the “objective” consciousness of the whole dragon ball community. Forgive me Fleimillio8497-Sama.
@moodzi2429 huh?
After future trunks idc about the list no more lol
Didn’t cell also technically achieve this
HE NOT A SAIYAN BUT HAVE CELL OF IT
Pause 5 secs in. 😮WHAA! 2 IS BETTER THAN 1 IN EVERY WAY?! WHAT A TWIST😂😂😂😂
Is 3 better in every way? Is blue better than god in every way? The answer is no if you watched dragon ball
@moodzi1322 I'm sorry 😐
@@SwadeMusic911lmao bro got scolded 😂😂😂😂😂
@@A107-v9e I don't won't no smoke🤣🤣🙏
Goten and Trunks: ???
When???
Bro why do you always use that old ass description none of those videos work 😭
I’m just happy that someone noticed that iv been using the same description for years 🤣
I hate how Vegeta’s transformations are so lame. Goku, Trunks and Gohan all change their appearances, but for Vegeta is the same regardless of the form.
Luckily Daima changed this with his SSJ3 form and Super with the Ultra Ego form as well.
Trunks had super saiyan 2 defeating datura and babidi
Yo I feel like Goten and Goku black I feel like they can go super Saiyan 2 I believe that and to be honest I kind of like super Saiyan Goku black and I kind of hate in the anime show
Um gotenks wasn't a ss3 before goku like did u watch the anime, unless your going out of order now
What? When did I say that? You’re confused brother
Right after you talk about vegeta, u talk about gotenks which makes no sense cz goku was a ss3 before gotenks was even born around d 14 mins in
Brother I don’t think you understood the video. Gotenks went ssj2 before going 3. That was the meaning.
9:25 it’s a damn shame do you deny the anime to your dying breath. The whole purpose in the DBZ Kai anime official cannon which is synonymous to the DBZ manga as stated by Akira Toriyama rest in power to him and his holding legacy in the behind for us. The purpose of the enemy which is the official canon card, what is the show that this is what Goku saw in the hyperbolic time chamber or anime filler I am DBZ Kai is canon to the manga because as stated by Akira Toriyama the monger is synonymous to the enemy. The enemy is synonymous to the monger. What does that mean? They are one canon. Stop hating on the enemy. Respect the authors legacy.
Canon doesn’t work that way buddy. Anime is anime. Whatever happens in the anime that doesn’t occur in the manga IS FILLER!!! Unless stated by the author in an interview that certain scene occurred. No ifs buts and maybes.
@ What you’re stating is absolutely true. But then why are you disregarding another statement from the author Ed Sheeran Toyama stating this manga and anime are synonymous to one another. Look up the word synonymous can you understand what that means for the Kenneth and don’t believe me you can look this stuff up and find the quotes that occur Toyama said word for word. The implication of the word synonymous equates to The canon of both the manga and the anime.
Since I’m sure you’re not gonna do it I’ll give you the definition right here. Synonymous of a word or phrase having a very similar or the same meaning. The same does not mean a deviation is not mean two different directions it means one in the same or one and similar. What you are suggesting is a complete deviation from the web is the word synonymous actually means which is a ploy from the original author Akira Toriyama in reference to the manga and anime the manga which is DBZ and the official anime which is DBZ Kai. They are synonymous to one another that means they are one canon.
To further invalidate and expose you and many other friends. You guys see the Manga events and the enemy events for the Frieza Arden are the same. The Mongol events and the enemy events for the cell arc are the same. Now here’s where the light comes in. But when it comes to the Buu Arc The Manga events in the anime events are not the same. That contradicts what the word synonymous means in the application to the manga and anime going in the same direction following the same story narrative and reaching the same conclusion. The third arc of DBZ a.k.a. The Buu Arc Manga and anime are one and the same. There is no deviation between any arc in the busy not from the monger not from the enemy. They are as one.
Essentially myself and Akira Toriyama are saying the same thing. You and many other fans are creating attention and division because you were saying the polar opposite of what the creator of the original creator of DDZ actually said “The manga is synonymous to the anime“ The word synonymous means of the same or similar. The word synonymous does not equal different. I rest my case.
Learn proper english my guy. That was an awful read.
Bro there dragon ball diama unlocked baby Vegeta ssj3 😅
the majin boost gave him ssj2
Proof?
8:49 garlic junior isn't canon
Somebody missed the reference……
Gohan was 10 1/2 in the cell saga but ok
*crying in Spanish*
31:37 WTF
1 2 3
Goten and trunks can go super Saiyan 2
When?
Caulifla is one of the worst characters. Not only did she get Super Saiyan through backtingle, she also got Super Saiyan 2 by accident because "I need moar powa".
Cringe.
Nice seeing your comment on my video again. I hope 2025 brings you joy.
@@moodzi1322 likewise
Ssj2 is the better than god and blue
Super kaioken is better
Nah false super saiyan slams
oh god the US dub is so bad... never realized they made gohan talk when he lost it and transformed.,... a scene that did not require anything but the original soundtrack (not the US garbage soundtrack)
Nah you tweaking
I forgot how ugly about half the frames of the Majin Vegeta vs. SSJ2 Goku were. lmao~
No
@@aloudiara8675 lol
Cabbba= anorexic untrained sayain
Vegeta mastered super sayian blue first
No, but even so I was talking about who unlocked every form.