ADHD & Autism - My Friend Autism
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I have been diagnosed with both autism and adhd (inattentive type) and I have a love/hate relationship with routines. I thrive with a routine, I sleep better, I feel better - but I get bored so quickly and can’t stick to a routine to save my life.
When your autism lets you write down a „to do list“ and your ADHS never lets you to check this list ever again
Or write appointments on the calendar, then not look at the calendar because you think you remember when the appointments are.
Shout out to my fellow AuDHDers!
(((((((((socially distant hug))))))))) 😂🧡🧡🧡
Right back at ya!
Yay, other AuDHDers! I love your handle @atropos_thefate
At time I feel like I'm being pulled in two directions half of me is restless and wants to do or say something, but the other is completely demotivated and tired and shy almost.
It's such a headache not knowing what you truly want, let alone be able to get up and do it when you finally know.
I find that contrasting symptoms cause alot of stress and anxiety on their own. Especially in social settings.
A beautifully informative video.
So genuine in presentation 😊
Thanks Orion!! 🤗
I KNOW!!!!!!!
So often I’m torn between the two sides of me, it’s SOOOOO frustrating!!!!!!!
Anyone with ADHD has autism. Autistic people are just geniuses aka monotropic vs allistic aka polytropic. Just wider and shallower thoughts. The genius thought process and attention is more costly and complex than the allistic polytropic person. The polytropic person is able to communicate more effectively with day to day life with others.
Autistic doesn’t mean you have autism. Autism is a co-opted term from neurology that just means a mental health or neurological condition has taken you outside of the neurologically typical acceptance of your neurotype. So if you’re the genius l, likely you are it’s a Jack of all trades type. That’s all a genius. An iq genius is different but the same. It’s the neurotype but with additional iq. Iq is pattern recognition, that’s it! Everyone with autism has ADHD.
Autistics are the Jack of all trades neurotype. Whether your iq is genius 130 or higher you have the genius thought process and it’s different and intensive of dopamine for processing. We often end up with only the default mode network for processing everything we think.
This is not the attention network. The default mode network ruminates around and around. Judgmental and emotional, also in group conscious. Attention network is not the same, it’s not a rumination process. It’s straightforward and simple and not weighted with judgement.
Autistics can be neurotypical or in autism.
The following clearly states the neurotypical genius is exempt from autism. Autism being a neurologically unstable and impaired condition. Emergency care needed and adderall is required for immediate recovery treatment. Not to ever be allowed to acquire more than a single CPTSD autistic trauma. Notice it’s called an autistic trauma. One trauma is autism. One condition puts a person in autism. Period this is the most important and cleanly documented description of all these terms and factors.
This is from the old documentation in medical books:
Neurotypical Genius Exempt from Autism. Temporary condition given instead: CPTSD Life threatening conditions: Autism. The neurotypical genius is always considered neurotypical because of the life threatening condition of undiagnosed or untreated Autism. Autism: having one or more mental health or neurological conditions. Being in autism is having an overall unsustainable neurological health. Such as dopamine deficiency, which is the outcome of all neurological conditions and mental health conditions. Autism can cause the neurotypical genius to become physically dysregulated and lash out. From stress or other symptoms due to autism or when autism is present and other people have hijacked a neurological condition like auditory processing disorder. Emergency medical attention is needed for CPTSD and always given adderall for recovery. Neurotypical genius is always given a lifetime adderall prescription. Due to the life threatening condition of Autism. This information is no longer provided by the Autistic Genius medical documentation.
I read the other day that alexythymia is also common in adhders. Adhdrs can also hyperfocus on their interests and enjoy doing so, but their interests may change frequently.
One thing I will add to what you said is that many people with both find that traits of one can attenuate or modify traits of the other. The most obvious example for me would be special interests/obsessions/hyperfixations. If I were going to pick a single way to try and sort autism and ADHD, it would probably be this: if special interests tend to last a "lifetime," that's a bit more of an autistic trait. If someone tends to become intensely interested in something for a very short time (a few hours or days), then loses interest, that's a bit more ADHD. If a person falls somewhere in between -- I'd say I become deeply obsessed with something for about 2-5 years on average -- that to me suggests both. But at this point, it can be harder to recognize the trait as either ADHD or autism.
By the same token, ADHD may obscure what gets called the repetitive and restrictive behaviors of autism. The description I see given is "craves order but cannot maintain it." Another way of looking at this is that you may crave sameness but get bored easily. An AuDHDer might look too organized for ADHD and too "spontaneous" for autism, despite having problems with both. Impulsive risk taking is a common feature of ADHD that my autism/anxiety guards against, though at a cost -- persistent fear response has some drawbacks as a coping mechanism. ADHDers also tend to lean into adrenaline to improve focus, one reason why they can be better able to get things done under pressure -- except in my case, doing that consistently for my job seriously worsened my fight or flight response.
As you say, these things are all points for discussion, not hard and fast rules that apply consistently. Both conditions exist on a spectrum, and our understanding of all this stuff is evolving. Something mental health professionals should remember too.
Yep. You described this well. I’ve been trying to sort out if I’m an AUDHDer and the point I keep coming back to is my special interests. The length of time varies a lot. Some of them last a year or more, while others last a month or two. Until I started researching neurodivergence I really hated this about myself. My inability to stick with something “forever”. I’m still trying to reach self-acceptance.
The whole too organized for ADHD and too spontaneous for Autism fits me too. It’s that cancelling out of both that sometimes had me doubting. But my sensory profile is too off the charts to deny I’m neurodivergent. 😅
The diagnosis process is brutal!
Checking car door locks twice happens once in awhile, it seems to happen in big parking lots. Today I did get a head of a problem somebody posed as a U.S Postal where house worker and wanted my address info over a supposed miss written address. My first thought was the Mail folks already know my address so I went to my local post office and sure enough she said scam so I reported it and smiled 🤓
Hi Orion, I just wanted to wish you a belated CONGRATULATIONS on getting a 100k subscribers ,I have been away for a while, missed watching your videos, I am happy for you 😊XXX XXX ❤
Thanks so much.
It's a fucking miracle that I have accomplished anything at all in my life. Unbelievable.
I’m proud of you. 🙌🏼 I haven’t accomplished much at all but I’m taking pride in just staying alive these days.
I am on the road to get a diagnosis for Autism. I just got diagnosed with ADHD and ADD. I actually just finished the testing and got the diagnosis today actually. I relate so much to Autism and see so many traits of it in my kids. So I am working on that diagnosis not only to help myself but to help them. Thank you for what you do.
They go on to describe other types, but the general description only covers the impulsive type... which is still what people think of, leading to a lot of missed diagnoses. And you nailed it about sustaining mental effort--it's only hard if it's something we don't care about.
There's so much overlap between ADHD and Autism, it's hard to clearly separate them, IMO.
Having ADHD and Autism is like Yang and yin ☯️😩
I was just diagnosed this week on Monday with autism + ADHD
My ADHD type is inattentive
Well in my case (Belgium) I was going for an autism assessment & while in the process she added the questionnaire for adhd as she had suspicions I have both. I do have to add I was lucky with the lady doing my diagnosis and I’m not quite sure that professional’s will do these 2 in 1 assessment, as in 2 different ones will gain them more money…
Interesting video too, it’s amazing how common it is that they occur together. Hearing you say ‘having adhd with asd makes it more difficult to be noticed’ resonates a lot with me too. I’m happy I was able to get a proper diagnosis after being misdiagnosed for years.
Thanks for the video Orion!!
Thanks for talking about this. And thanks for acknowledging there's still plenty to understand and research.
A point to add is that ADHD features hyperfocus on topics the person is interested in. They may be interested in a wide range of things (but not in lots of things they find really boring). The person/brain *can* focus (extremely well in some circumstances like emergencies) but no control over what they focus on - it depends on interest.
In the beginning, I was like: Noooo, there's NO way I'm both.....
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You had me at '...there's no dog". It reminded me of the ADHD "Ooh look a squirrel!". I was diagnosed with both about a year ago and have always assumed you my friend were the same...Resonate? It was smacking you in the face...
This was fun to listen to. I don't have ADHD, although I do have trouble keeping track of appointments. I think that's because of my age, because I didn't have a problem with it when I was younger. I have a grandson with ADHD. He isn't particularly hyperactive, but the other symptoms fit him well. One of the most frustrating things about him was that he used to do his school homework, then forget to turn it in.
You're alwys thought provoking, and I love it. I do believe to be both. Thank you for this podcast!
I was diagnosed with adhd and not autism because there was no proof of childhood symptoms. The evaluator talked to my mom, but my mom doesn’t know a thing about autism really and it also feels like she doesn’t know me well either. I was nearly two when I took my first steps, I was so shy and anxious when I was little. Anxiety was almost one of my first memories. And I know I can’t remember everything from when I was little but my experience now and as an older kid strongly resembles many of the descriptions on your videos. I spent, no joke, a whole summer as a teenager at home finding and writing out recipes I liked. I wasn’t interested in spending time with friends. That’s an intense interest if I’ve ever heard of one.
Depression/crying are my first memories, about 5/6 years old.
I totally hear you! I think my anxiety/Depression juat stems from these. And I am 52 now. If only they knew this stuff in the 8os and 90s
I'm ASD and ADHD. Fun!
The way you described interrupting from your point of view just made a whole bunch of stuff click. There are indeed overlap but the difference is why things happen. So interrupting, ADHD interrupts because they are impatient but autism interrupts because they finally have something to say and can't accurately figure out when to get it out.
I thought I was ADHD for the past year and a half. My primary doctor even prescribed stimulants. But ADHD never seemed to answer everything. I was evaluated years ago because I ended up having provisional conversion disorder and I figured the report could have some insight. While inquiring about the report and sharing why I wanted it the psychologist almost immediately said, "You don't have ADHD but when you come pick up your report I would really like you to speak with my colleague who specializes in autism." 🤯
Phewww, yes one of my best buddies has the combination. It was hard to have a conversation with him lol. But, when he takes care of it through medication and certain practices, its pretty manageable. Its nice to see him well.
I got diagnosed with both of these at the age of 25, I do wish I got it early as school would of been easier and interesting.
It's taken me hours to watch this video because I have been getting up to clean and organize because it's things that have been bothering and feeling chaotic (making me feel anxious and depressed) for months.
I like listening to Orion while I do those kinds of tasks. Kind of makes me feel less alone
My teen was diagnose with both recently, you described them to a T.
i got diagnosed in 2008, smack dab in the middle of high school, and holy crap did this throw me for a ride in the shallow, sloshing cement mixer of grape jelly that comes from getting one answer for a question to explain why you are the way you are but get repeatedly doused with more questions to add to the confusion. you know you are in the mixer, thats just for where you are. you arent informed why you are in the mixer. why is it filled to your ankles with grape jelly? why grape and no other flavor when you'd prefer something else like red plum or apple? who the hell is driving the vehicle and keeping the mixer on? how long you are gonna be in the mixer? is there anything you can do to get the hell out of the mixer? who the hell puts grape jelly in a cement mixer? and so on and so forth.
i didnt find out much about such information until around 2015 when there was a lot more reputable info and within the past two years ive been doing better since then. the quality and quantity of really good info has been so enlightening, i wonder why im not floating like the Omnic monk Zenyatta from Overwatch yet. my biggest question now is how do i get my parents to understand enough of this research material to stop them from sometimes pushing me into getting a job outside the house that has health insurance when im a college dropout with AuDHD in a sleepaway city primarily operated by fast food places and retail stores. i wanna animate but they grew up in 70-80's rural kansas with more than 1 set of parents. they think id do better working for a job with plenty of outside physical labor when the last time i had this job, i quit the day i needed to go court or have a warrant for my arrest by staying at work.
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Here .... but i cant get sucked in im expeting a 4am call for a presentation for educators in rural india ..... thos is going to be interesting.
It was called im good.
that is great! i have wondered if they were comparable. now, i see they are. relatable in so many ways. now, im a tad confused and i believe i have the hybrid version. Oh my goodness.
I want you to know what a positive influence you've been on me in such a short time.
So, how on earth can you tell them apart? Is it possible? They are both very much alike. It is strange how much they mirror one another.
hEDS, POTS, MCAS, William's syndrome, fibromyalgia, CPTSD, Intestinal issue (im celiac), narcolepsy, often with narcissistic abuse.
I have hidden my ticks when i started snapping. i started washing crystals.
Curl my tongue, or my toes.
I got both at 40 and was on the meds for narcolepsy.
There are cups in the house for things I often loose.
Short term memory 17th% tile, long term 98th% tile.
I'd love to chat.
Is that one of your echolalias at the beginning? (Sit ubu sit). My dad did that one
Does the Hyper in ADHD relate to anxiety or are they 2 different things? I have a lot of anxiety and I don't do caffeine or carbs and am on a high-fat diet. Don't know if u get into diets...
As far as I understand it, hyper-adhd can manifest in adults as well as need to move as also a lot of thought, having rsd (rejection sensibility dysphoria) can produce negative chatter in the brain, where you thing yourself as not deserving or misunderstanding conversation and interpreting them as negative towards you. Critic is also a thing that adhd with rsd can't handle, it tears them deap inside provoking a pain comparable to a heart break.... That's where some of the anxiety and depression comes from. Specially as someone with adhd, even undiagnosed, you get a lot of critic and it ruins your self-esteem. Btw. I am also speaking from experience...
I think it does some for me. The anxiety pushes my impulsive/reactive buttons. I get the feeling that one of the big differences for people who have ADHD but not autism of GAD is that hyperfocus tends to fall more on the euphoric end of things, the dopamine hit many get is pleasant and fun. That's very rare for me, my hyperfocus episodes tend to make me feel grim or impulsive/compulsive. I think my predisposition to high stress hormones, and my overactive amygdala and sympathetic nervous system make that so. I leaned on adrenaline for awhile, a common ADHD strategy, and it worsened my anxiety a lot.
I do a lot more protein and some more fat than I used to, and indications are that this stabilizes my mood and improves focus some. Sugar is not an ADHDer's friend, and simple carbs behave the same way. I've always been prone to blood sugar crashes, especially when I try to focus, but search "blood sugar regulation" and all I find is diabetes (which I don't have) and hypoglycemia (which doesn't fit either). I do know that the brain burns a lot of calories, even a neurotypical one.
I have ADHD and the DSM 5 was written by who????
A committee, of course! :) They were trying to finally get emotional dysregulation into the criteria, but were apparently overruled by higher ups. They can portray it as a scientific document, but it's hardly politics-free.
RUFF
To date, the mixed findings of etiologic ASD-ADHD comorbidity studies do not permit a clinical description of the physiopathologic comorbidity of these disorders. When speaking of comorbidity, are we not rather describing the severity of an attentional trait, with disabling functional effects, present in all ASD children?
These studies themselves demonstrate that children diagnosed with a comorbid disorder have more severe ASD. This suggests that-rather than an ASD-ADHD comorbidity, as authors conclude-the causes and consequences of a major attentional deficit typical of ASD are responsible for these patients' profiles.
-NIH
PS: You have Willful Ignorance comorbid with average intelligence.