Dr Ian James Kidd: Philosophical Misanthropy | Philosophy Now Festival 2020
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- The 2020 PFA George Ross Memorial Lecture given by Dr Ian James Kidd at the Philosophy Now Festival. Kidd says there are four philosophical ways to not like people.
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It is so hard to navigate through society as a misanthrope. This guy gets it, I'm glad there are people exploring this as a philosophical concept.
I'm the 4th misanthrope. A kind of heart-chilling resignation about ppl. It's not things like murder, war, political corruption and the extreme acts that make despair, although they are truly deplorable. It's the pervasive, incessant small things that I encounter all the type like a death by a thousand cuts. Things like brash ignorance, arrogance, highly regulated personalities, myopic perspectives, vapidness, adherence to status quo norms, systematic mindstates of the masses, banality, being compelled by the mundane, normies, the run of the mill. These traits are so abundant and rewarded it brings me down so bad. Fuck ppl.
I really appreciate the part where Dr. Kidd sums up that most misanthropes (such as myself) toggle between the four described types of misanthropes, as I for one can attest to feeling all of them at given points in my life. I generally love humanity at its best and am constantly disappointed and appalled by the world we've created (bludgeoned) for ourselves. Its incredibly frustrating and depressing when you look at what we are as opposed to the potential for what we could be.
human experience will destroy the world. too many misanthropes still hold human achievement central to themselves. strange really.
The Russians are proving that humans are quite detestable.
Despite all his valid points, it misanthropic to hope that the speaker isn't wearing eyeliner? A wide range of traits can be annoying.
The problem with human beings is that instead of executing psychopaths, we give them positions of power.
Why would you execute a person that is not responsible for his nature?
@5driedgrams the simple answer is. For the greater good.
@@dunmwarupreachan4567 Greater? Where is the Model you compare to which is what?!!! The only model that rules this Universe is The Food Chain :)))
@@TheSundayCall Did you draw an ought from an is? More than that, you dismissed all metanarratives. All political ideologies. All moral frameworks. All religions. We should all go Mad Max. And be happy about it.
@@grisflyt The food chain generates itself and it feeds on itself. Someone has to give birth to your next meal :) No politician can be born without S. Intercourse and food resources. This is the main fabric of the Universe and no one can fix this world :) Just stop bringing kids here. Easy.
This guy gets it. Thank you for helping me feel less alone in how I'm not the only one who views existence like this.
No, you're not the only one. This guy explained masterfully everything about Misanthropy, in every detail. At the end of his speech he actually gives the audience a guide, to choose how to deal with misanthropy and which path to choose.Excellent speech.
Choosing this cameraperson to film this talk is definitely a vice. But they decided to film this and make this available for free is definitely love. ^^
I had to shut off the screen. The camera person apparently needed to do everything possible to distract from the speakers message.
@@sepharad58As if you'd be any better than the cameraman😂😂😂
What an amazing talk. Such a good explanation for many of us who are misrepresented by the definition of misanthropy.
humans are pathetic
I remember having an argument about why I was misanthropic, I was so easily bashed and dismissed.
None of them wanted to hear whatever I was saying, and were interpreting it in a literal sense.
I was utterly disgusted.
I then realized you cannot reason with everybody.
@@Steve-yn3csBlud hates humanity and expects to get fair treatment from them😂😂😂
@@TU-ESSTULTUS Well you probably haven't watched this video I guess.
There are forms of misanthropy.
@@Steve-yn3cs What does that have to do with your stup1dity😂😂😂
I thought that was brilliant I learned a lot about myself through that talk. And I feel less abnormal about my feelings towards man kind. These are ideas to stand firm on. Which gives me confidence to know that I’m not crazy, that the world is chalk full of so many horrible people that I have to look away, and it’s ok.
You can be disuaded from Mysanthropy by meeting the right types of people or reading about them, but all it takes is one human being with all or most of the characteristics you despise to get you back on the program...
"Mysanthropy" = a more personalized version of it?
definitely a 4th kind here. used to be 3rd. after witnessed senseless human conflicts around the world, inflict cruelty onto others with convenient excuses, and after witnessed the inner workings high up top, I want no more association with the human kind. just leave me be to live out what's left of this life.
The yellow balloons really help set the scene
As La Bruyère said, a wise man seeks nothing from people and is not surprised when they cannot walk through walls or act virtuously.
Such a beautiful talk in philosophy! That's why saying justice derived out of injustice makes sense, like deriving meanings of life from the darker side of it. 👍
I clicked on this video because I find myself becoming more and more misanthropic as I age. I just turned a young 44 but already I feel like the stereotypical grumpy old woman.
From experiencing the rudeness, unhygienic habits, inconsiderate actions, and the lack of common courtesy in people, I have come to the conclusion. .. the more I interact with people at work, out in public, and even with my own family the more I am becoming less inclined to want to be around people in general.
I know that I'm not perfect and I have my own issues, but I feel like for the most part people in general just don't care which makes things uncomfortable, unpleasant, and unnecessarily hard for others around them.
I haven't lost all my faith in humanity, I've just lost my desire to be around much of it. It's sad, but I really just want to get away from society.
I guess that makes me fall under the label _fugitive_ _misanthrope_ right?
I'm only in the first 20 minutes of the video so I don't know if this question will be covered: are certain regions and countries more prone to misanthropic personalities than others? I am born and raised in the United States and I think that in many ways us Americans are just awful to be around. I have a particular country that I have been wonderlusting for several years. But I wonder would it actually be a social Improvement or just a variation of The Human Condition in the guise of another culture and language?
I feel you and been contemplating of selling all possessions and become a nomad around the world. currently interested to live in Antarctica for a shift and possibly find myself.
I'm the same as you. Same age except I'm a man. I'm American too and Americans are shitty people mostly. I'm considering expatriate to Spain or Iceland. The shitty condition will still be there. But hopefully I can remain delusional and keep the novelty from wearing off. Just minimize human contact and take up learning to play a musical instrument or read challenging books. That is my philosophy
I feel a large portion of misanthropy towards the photographer of this talk
Right??? Terrible! Lol
I can't even watch, had to just listen to it in a different tab
Blud thinks he'd do better than the camera man💀💀💀
Tripods exists for a reason. Great talk but the „camera person“ really aggrovates.
😂
Thank you. This gave me clarity of my own personal perspective of the world.
I think the number one reason why I'm a misanthrope is because no one stands up for the vulnerable who are abused. There's this certain thought that it's better to look the other way than it is to become the one abused/outcasted. But how abuse works is by no one speaking out! In my opinion, they are just as guilty as the ones doing the abuse. Abuse happens in the silence. The cowardice of humans, myself included, is what makes me give up on humanity. Absolutely love this speech! There's not much on this subject so I enjoy anything I can get my hands on.
No one speaks up for the ones who can't speak. The non-human animals.
Blud's writing a whole essay about his hate for humanity while using one of the technologies they invented😂😂😂
This is the best summary of who I am that I have ever seen.👍😁
In the world but not of the world.
There's nothing worse than people.
So the more your desire for a better world, the greater your suffering..... so the lesser your desire for a better world, the lesser your suffering - any wonder why hardcore capitalist don't suffer these idealistic dilemma......
Fabulous. Added to my collective research list
Aspiration to achieve fame is often a key motivation behind activism and hence activism is a vice itself.
You can make anything into a vice that way. If no action is above suspension then what even is the point.
2+2, 2x2 and 2 Squared all Equal 4. All roads lead to Rome. Well Done Mr. Kidd. I am not kidding.
Now I know a new word to describe me, thanks!
I prefer just choosing the fugitive, I escape, perhaps to Victor Harbour, I was born to be the fugitive because I was the fugitive in the first place. Maybe that's a weak position to take when perhaps I should be the eco-misanthrope instead, dismantling pollution and chemicals, and being vegetarian to reduce waste (in an environmental way).
i think misanthropists are perfectionist or can be called so. Maybe it is a wrong naming but they might be called so.
What an excellent talk!
I love how he wears *the dark suit.*
EDIT: 14:00 - one form of micro-cruelty is this camera men's work, god damn
BRILLIANT talk!
I was trying to pay attention to the lecture, but the jittery camera work was too distracting.
22:20 “they think violence will solve something” yeah violence never gets anything done…..🤮
the camera just needs to zoom out and sit still
Great video.
Thank you.
Isn't it ironic how the masses turn up for what is mostly information about them 😅.
What about people that are living in pain with no life and religious people make them stay alive all because of there delusions in a belief in a God ? Now that is selfish
👏🏻 👏🏻 preach!
And you're deluding yourself with some nonsense😂
He sure does like to walk back and forth on the stage!
13:27 Most of the homeless do NOT want to be "saved." They get very violent when anyone tries to get them to a shelter, etc.
You can help them by giving them money
Very concise point Peter Griffin. Cunning as always
@@vegannegan9652 "Give a man fire, he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life."
@@vegannegan9652 Depending on the situation at hand.Been homeless myself sometimes, and as such have actually viewed what some individuals do with the money they get from panhandling.....Lets just say in certain cases, your hurting whether then helping.But to each thier own.Myself if I have enough disposable cash, I either take them to get something to eat, or buy them a lunch rather then hand them money.
😂 Put yourself in that persons shoes. A stranger ‘saving’ them from the only familiarity they’ve managed to accrue. What you call saving is in fact never the case. Unless you’re saying you are offering the person a house, employment, therapy etc with no strings attached. If you aren’t offering this then you aren’t ‘saving’ anybody just deluding yourself with such ideas. No human is born homeless. We are conditioned into such a lowly place by human societies. I’ve been homeless myself and those who pretend to ‘save’ you are the worst ones to be cautious off. The ones who abuse and exploit you the most.
great camera
Has Dr. Kidd written any book?
He's working on it now.
did an old man with Parkinsons film this?
Story of my LIFE✨👽✨I DEF HATE HUMANS MORE SO LOW VIBRATIONAL ONES & I stand for justice THUS THE REASON I CAN NOT STAND THE SPECIES I HAVE NEVER LIKED PEOPLE SINCE CHILDHOOD I DO NOT LIKE THIER ENERGY AND HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO ESCAPE FROM SOCIETY I HATE THE STUPIDITY AND LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND VICTUM MENTALITY
never ever let the person operating the camera near a camera again... ever again. unwatchable.
I'm probably the only person who went through all the different kinds of misanthropy.
I think we all cycle through all 4 time to time... ur not alone bud 😊
Misanthropy is the successor of religion, and the result of holding ourself to impossible standards.
We're just anmals, and moral agency is a social construct.
Most religions aren't moral at all.
The written version of this talk is here philosophynow.org/issues/139/Philosophical_Misanthropy
The God of tbe bible is wicked and cruel!
He's merely a reflection of ourselves in a more natural state.
I think he is satan himself. Tricked everyone to worship him.
I don't see how misanthropy looks at the good and the bad to weigh them in the balance. Misanthropy only looks at the bad. Misanthropy is not the same thing as critical philosophy. "Critical" implies an ideal or norm. We criticize humanity's failure to meet our norms. If evil / faults / vices and failings are the norm of humanity then how can one criticize people? It would be extraordinary to criticize humanity for failing to live up to norms one does not think humanity can meet.
In other words: why did you call your ideas "philosophical misanthropy" if you think humanity can do better than misanthropy?
Listening to Ian Kidd talk, it seems he wants to ban all human vices outright. I think more nuanced thinking is needed. There's necessary evil, then there's real evil. There'd endemic evil and evil we can actually do something about. I prefer to concentrate my resources on problems which can be solved.
Why is walking past a homeless person bad? Let's be concrete. Show me evidence how you turned around the life of that homeless person - then lecture me on my failure to do the same. Mere whining about the fate of the homeless, in the abstract, does not count. One simply ends up with the paradox of California; see "San Fransicko", Shellenberger, 2021. Dems spent vast resources to help the homeless while - in practice the number of homeless in California increased year on year.
Yass violence!! 🤘🤘🤘
Ok edgelord
Yeah, but why does he dress like a creepy magician villain?
Dude that makes this talk so much better though. Besides what's wrong with creepy magician villains? =)
@@IndianProductz How people physically present themselves, tells you a lot about their unspoken and unconscious ego and mindset. Start to question why and what influences dictate how people dress in certain ways. It’s a mask to their real character; people who take too much effort in their appearance, are usually hiding their true self.
@@james-r Hmmm good points my friend. I was never a big fan of conformity, but I guess on the opposite end going over the top says something about a person too. Well said.
@@james-r it's not really over the top, additionally your interpretation could be totally different than his. I think your psychologizing of his appearance is simply a rhetorical tactic, a kind of ad hominem, in an attempt to deflate his argument.
I'm disappointed by this talk. Although I'm into philosophy, I've been very disappointed by what philosophers produce. Today, I've given up on these endless word-games you philosophers hawk to advance your careers. I recommend one takes up Experimental Philosophy instead. As Experimental Philosophy is grounded in facts about the world and disdains the endless wordy speculation of the philosopher in favour of ideas based on empirical facts.
Focusing on evil is not misanthropy; because one is judging ethically. 1. Judging ethically implies a better world. 2. I welcome looking at the dark-side of life. Yet the people doing this (studying: psychopaths, dark triads, narcissists, cluster Bs, ...) they seem to take a dutiful point of view. Misanthropy does not encourage dutiful behaviour. Instead it seems to lead to a wicked circle of apathy.
Activism is not misanthropy. The very fact the activist is doing something, implies they're doing it because they think - rightly, or wrongly, their actions will lead to a better world. Having said that: many activists seem to have deep contempt for the rest of us! Especially those of us - such as me - who call out their/your bad activism.
We need empirical studies of misanthropy and misanthropes. More of these intellectual speculations - philosophy - only up the confusion quotient. Please tell me what Experimental Philosophy and empirical Psychology have to say about the topic.
Who are "WE"? "You" are mortal...
I don't like justice, justice is leaving a female Muslim's disgusting headwear on, I don't agree with it. I'm two types of misanthrope: the fugitive and the quietist, what I don't like is moral laziness, dogmatism, wastefulness, etc, and I hate some misanthropes, the vices and failings are wiping people out or trying to change society, I hate that, and what I also hate is non-vegetarianism or even eating dead animals or even white meat, even fish. I hate everyone and appreciate misanthropes, like them, if they're right, I hate self-deception and being wrong. It's not just morality, I hate stupidity, and I hate it when people don't like beauty. What's not misanthropic is I hate change, I don't like selflessness or altruism and I think some misanthropes are evil because of what misanthropes they are and because they're altruistic, sacrificing themselves or not taking care of themselves, everyone is selfish, there's no good selfless deeds.
I really wanted to learn here but this guy is so biased about his own views I didn’t finish it.
How so?
Why ?
Sounds like the real bias was coming from inside the house.
@@logicalmorality4646 honestly I don’t even know, I was so depressed back when I wrote this comment I don’t even remember what frustrated me, I watched it again and am unsure what I was referring to 🤷♂️
@@JackDavid6405 maybe, I don’t even remember what I was referring to
My misanthropy is directed to Biden.
Misanthropes think like white people, it seems. The assumptions that our systems and their externalities are innate to us is social darwinist in thinking and strongly challenged by historical and modern societies; especially non-white societies. Misanthrope is a cop out against fighting corrupt systems by blaming "human nature." Likewise, blaming some Mongolian horse herder or Mickmack fisherman for climate change the same way we do BP or Enron is absurd; which is what the Misanthrope does. That said, what was described as eastern misanthropy is not even close to the same beast as the western counterpart; to the point that I disagree with him even putting them in the same category.
I think misanthrope for me is a reason to fight against things like corruption, inequality, and pollution. I believe the politicians don’t always work in the best interests of the people they represent. Also,I think “misanthrope”is a broader premise than “white people”.
Misanthropes think like white people? I don't completely understand what you mean. I think you could have been a bit more specific. Or maybe I'm dumb lol.
I don't think that I think like a white person. I don't completely consider myself a misanthrope. But I'm definitely highly critical of myself and others as a result of constantly having to play a particular type of role throughout most of my life.
This was a direct result of constantly dealing with racism from a very young age by my typically white peers and also having to deal with homophobia by nearly everybody else. If I'm being honest, I feel like my want for a better, kinder society overall is why I feel somewhat jaded/critical when it comes to thinking about other people.
And honestly, this was just the easiest way to try to explain it without all the other nuances that exist alongside it. It feels like its even more complicated then just that. But I don't think id be able to completely explain it in it's entirety In an internet conversation.
What a phenomenally racist and dishonest statement, but hey, it's not misanthropic! Misanthropy and the REASONS for misanthropy cross all racial, temporal and geographic boundaries. How you could possibly extrapolate racial reasoning from this lecture utterly eludes logic...but then racism isn't logical is it?
@@sepharad58 because his logic and reasoning is Kantian in essence, and Kantian thought is deeply white supremacist in nature. And that is because Kantian thought, like it's more ancient Greek counterparts,believed in ideal forms that all existence flows from. Given that Kant wrote a ton on the superiority of white man over everybody else, it does not take a genius to see how Kant's love of race hierarchies bleeds into his philosophy. This brings us back to the pretentious douchebag lecturing in this video. Instead of blaming human systems for creating perverse incentives for bad behavior, he blames an innate human nature and tries to separate himself from the rest by being 'better' and above them. Full circle, this is why I say he speaks and thinks like a white man. Cuz he does.
They aren’t assumptions, they’re observations.
Great, insightful lecture. 🙏🏽🇦🇺
Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in to ear... ok stutter right in increments of 10, back to full zoom on eyebrow, KEEP IT UNFOCUSED aaaand finish with the fire extinguisher. Cut. Dude, perfect. I hate people.