Degradation At 35k Miles? 2023 Model Y AWD 4680 Pack Range And Degradation Test
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Tesla needs to cram a 100kwh pack into the new model y. It just doesn't have enough range.
I totally agree.
@@brandenflaschmy 2022Model X LR does about 260 miles.
I top up to 80% then drive as I do for a day or 2 down to
DEAD RIGHT!
@@Futurase1 then it would compete head to head with Model S and X LR.
They want to keep some distance between the models.
Lucid does the by removing battery from the Pure
@@Michael-e9s2xbut they don’t even sell the x or s in the uk, I think a 100kw variant there would work well,
Thanks! My 2019 LR AWD 3 was about 11-12% in 75k miles and 5 years.
I agree with you, this vehicle was trash. I purchased mine new at the height of the pricing madness for $62K. I had the 20" wheels and black interior with the blue exterior. While the car overall was good, software was great and the storage amazing the overall vehicle fell way short. The build quality did not match the price. Charging was absolutely horrific, it would peak and then drop like a rock. I would be sub 50kW after 50% state of charge. The range with 20" wheels on the highway, 75mph was terrible. This should have never been released to the public. I ended up selling the car this past summer, took a hit on depreciation and won't go back to Tesla. I essentially bought a test car at a premium so Tesla could mine the data to improve other cars, absolute garbage.
Completely terrible business practice to release an experimental product to the public without warning
I have a 2022 and my battery health is at 99% after 51K miles. I have never used a supercharger or a public charger. I have always level one charged my Tesla or level two charge via solar power.
I still love that color changing wrap you have on your '23 Model Y.
It does look really good,
Thank you for your videos. Very informative and helpful!
Brandon - what vehicle are you moving to?
Tesla wanted to find out if the 4680 was good or not...they found out.
Interesting results!
Are you using Tessie Basic or Pro? That live drive in progress is pretty neat.
I have the legacy version of Tessie which I believe would now be pro
Wow I would have expected more range. But it is more efficient than my ID.4. 2022 Pro S RWD. I have 97k miles driven in the car. At new I could go about 260 miles of range in Highway driving, I normally do 75 mph. Now I am able to get about 220 miles. Which would be less than 15% degradation. But it's still a very good car and I'm able to make the trips I take.
Way bigger batter pack in the ID4 Pros. This is the standard range Model Y AWD too.
@@jred201Model Y and ID.4 have pretty similar sized kWh packs. I think the Tesla might actually be a smidge smaller.
I'm sitting at about 7% degradation after ~21k miles on a 2022 Model 3 with Panasonic cells.
Granted, I probably have more calendar degradation because it's from early 2022. But, I also only charge it above 69% about once or twice per year. That is, it's been babied.
With all that said, I do think there's a strong argument that the Gen 1 4680 shouldn't have been released. I'd like to understand what Drew's logic was there.
Good for the cell longevity to charge to lower SOC. I charge to 55%. But the BMS needs to see high and low SOC to know how much energy the pack has. It may be conservative when it hasn't seen those SOCs. Good idea to occasionally charge to 90% or 95% and discharge to 10% or 15%. You'll get a more accurate range/energy estimate then.
I had a 77 kWh Model 3 (2020 LG pack) and I could only ever get 68 kWh even from new. Thats 11.5% degradation. It maintained that degradation very consistently in my 4 years of ownership. I now have a Highland LR RWD and I get 80.5 kWh, with an 82 kWh pack, so about ~2% degradation, but its still under 2k miles.
Matte screen protector? Miss that from my Mod3. Cool video. Thx. I enjoyed watching
Yes, the best!
Traded in my 2023 4680 Model Y September 30th couldn't pass up the deals on the new Model 3, with all the tax credits we get here in Colorado it was a no-brainer.
Traded mine in with 51,000 mi 100% charge showed 266 mi so right about where yours was as far as degradation but I had higher mileage. I've watched your videos over the past year and I still can't figure out why yours was worse in regards to efficiency my lifetime efficiency at 51,000 mi was 243 Wh/mi
All in all I had no issues with mine and the charging speeds/curve never affected me for my driving style and situation. I just couldn't pass up the tax credits and the special interest financing that Tesla was offering.
I'm sure you'll update everyone on the channel what you're going to go to in the future....😎
What made you decided to buy it in the first place?
At the time I was coming from a Model 3 Performance and I thought the Model Y would be more useful with more legroom, more headroom, and a hatchback. It did fulfill all of those expectations but like you I was curious about the 4680 structural pack got a pretty good deal on it because like this year (2024) the tax incentives were there last year (2023) as well so I made out pretty well last year and even better this year as even more tax incentives were available here in Colorado
Crosses fingers for new Model 3 RWD LR. 4680 is brutal, must be even worse in proper cold
That's very good effeciency numbers, especially for a Y. I dont even get that in my 3, albeit I live in scandinavia, so get quite a bit of cold weather and short trips. It reports 165wh/km over its lifetime, but i've used closer to 200wh/km with everything counted (sentry mode, vampire, camp mode etc)
thank you Brandon
Where did you get the black wheel covers? You have a link? Thanks
These 100% SoC 70MPH range tests are interesting but the one that is really interesting is a charge on the road, lets say 80% and 80MPH speed test.
That's the 10% challenge which is coming
You can also scale this test to your desired SoC range
your attention monitoring is turning off because you're filming with your phone. Attention monitoring does not allow you to use a phone (or similar device) while you are driving in FSD. That's why the screen says it is disabled "device detected". The system is working very well.
It's far too sensitive
@@brandenflasch Personally if it complains to me about me not paying attention, it's right. I almost never have it say to pay attention and I still do everything I need to on the screen from changing music, rerouting, finding chargers, food, etc...
If I ever pick up the phone it's really quick to notice that too, which is also a net good thing imo.
@JohnEFly No. People are going to use their phone and it's just encouraging people to turn it off and use their phone
@@brandenflasch then wait for unsupervised. This would just encourage people to use their phones more because the system is so good, abusing the system. Honestly, I'm better about not using my phone with this system because I know it's watching me. I take it as a good thing.
Put a blinder next to the fish eye inside camera.
I cover the fish eye to where it can only see my right shoulder and arm and no issues.
It will need adjusting but you can use Dog Mode to check.
@brandenflasch What u thinking for your next vehicle?
I have the same radar, can we see our radar settings
Trading in my 4680 Model Y for a new LR RWD with these deals going on now. The added range will be nice, but the charging curve on these is terrible. Thats what i look forward to the most. Actually surprised at the teade in value im getting from Tesla too.
How's your trade value?
I’d have to guess even at low miles, the 4680 trade in value is prob around $25-28k?
My feeling is we basically just get lucky on the battery health. Some people will claim they supercharge most of the time and their degradation is minimal. Other people state it’s bad for your battery and have higher than normal degradation. I think the amount of degradation primarily depends on the weather climate you live in, the amount of miles you drive, the age of your battery and wheel size you run with on your car.
For example, I have a 2023 M3 LR with 19” sport wheels. The epa mileage range listed when I took delivery of the car in December of 2022 was 358. I never saw that range when charging to 100%. I knew going with the 19” wheels would reduce my range, but they looked better in my opinion. I started with 347 miles of range. I live in a desert city near Yuma, Az where the weather reaches extremely warm temperatures in the Summer (up to 125 degrees) and the Winters are very cold. I commute about 400 miles around trip for work each week. The travel path I use for work does have high elevation on the freeway when I’m traveling to work and less evaluation coming home. Lastly, I put about 20K to 25k miles on my car each year. As of now, December 5th, 2024 I’m at 53,000 miles and 16% battery degradation which I feel is way too rapid. So you are not along on the rapid battery degradation. We just have to drive the cars and hope for the best.
Degradation starts fast and then levels off. My Model 3 has about 120,000 miles / 5 years and is 14% degraded. Use the high voltage battery health test in service mode to make a determination, not the range shown on your dash.
Its mostly people who know what they're talking about, and bots repeating what they heard. By Leaf has been quick charged 1,400 times and its barely degraded faster than an equivalent leaf that didnt QC.
If you haven’t tried the Empire Pizza on the other side of the parking lot, you really should. We make this one of our stops when we travel from Florida to WV.
How do you know it is 4680?
My 2024 Model Y Performance has lost 10% in first 12K miles, only charges to 256 miles at 100%. should I be worried?
I have 12k on my 2024 MY and at 100% I get 294miles. Tou degraded fast. Do you use supercharge alot? Or just at home L2?
Interested to see what your next car will be!
If 5 % is expected, and you have 7%, that's not a "little bit higher", that is basically 40% more relative to the expected.
5% is the _average_ degradation he mentioned, so half of cars will be above and half will be below. What wasn't mentioned is the variance on that average. If one standard deviation away from average is 2%, then 7% is pretty reasonable. If it is 0.1%, it is an outlier.
This is more range than my 23 y lr, I only got 200, but I was driving 80 and the car was loaded to the max, taking the family back from Florida last Christmas,
7% deg is very common 35k miles.
Mine is at 7,6% after 137 charging cycles / 38k miles
Brendan its 4F out there right now...'24 m3 rwd lr is avg over 400wh/mile the last 2 days. Your range would be about 100 miles in this weather.
i get the same results. the EPA estimates were too high, they were tested in ideal conditions to get that +300 miles estimate. even when new my 2023 MYLR (Austin build 2170 battery pack) was only giving me 200 miles of range. to and from work was about 42 miles using up 20-21% battery. so 2 miles per 1% of battery. hot and humid Houston conditions, driving habits, etc shows I was using 280 Wh/mi. i reset it at the beginning of Nov after a tire balance and rotation. so far i'm using 255 Wh/mi, minimal A/C use after work 2pm and almost no heater on the way to work 5am. using about 16-17% battery per 42 miles. mileage is around 11,600 miles. last week Nov 30 i did the Battery Health Test and the result was 93.2% and 308 miles. even with the lower Wh/mi consumption there's no way i'm actually getting anywhere near 300 real world miles, more like 210-220 miles. the Tesla computer is still overestimating the range.
Interested in what you are getting next, inquiring minds want to know!
11:30 Does the green / white regen bar in this moment mean that it applied friction brakes ?
i did a Battery Health Test last week and I could hear the brakes engage from 100% - 90%. at first I was like "what is that noise?" then I remembered it can't regen and was using the brakes. once the battery dropped below 90% the regen resumed.
@@Skavatar789at 11:30 he has just 18% SOC so it’s not regen limiting. FSD probably wanted to stop faster than regen could allowed so it blended friction brakes in.
A 100kWh 800Volt Hyundai like battery paired with the Model Ys efficiency is my dream.
My 5 and 6 year old Leaf Pluses have just 8.5% and 10.5% degradation for comparison
How do you determine if you have a 4680 battery pack vs. 2160 ?
If you have a "Model Y AWD" you have 4680. Long Range are not 4680
Who make this BMS display? Looks nicer than ScanMyTesla.
Teslax
My 2021 M3P w/ 55k miles is reporting about 13% degradation. I've not done a test, but the BMS has seemed accurate. That seems crappy to me.
While real world driving is best for determining what your vehicle is capable of, charge metering is better for determining how much energy is in the pack. Too many variables during driving to accurately measure energy consumption, while charging is very consistent.
It's not - lots of losses in charging
My R1T is 1 year old today 10,800 miles good bit of DCFC as we were moving. Lost about 0.5%-1%. The vehicle shows the same numbers today as delivery. I’ve been able to get close. Enough to said about 1% decrease in range.
All of my Tesla seems to degrade faster than my other EVs. But 7% at 35k isn’t the worst but I wasn’t expecting it to be there with that amount of usage
As a non-EV owner, isn't this kind of degradation covered under the warranty?
Only if it degrades below 70% remaining
I wish Tesla would have a First Responder discount.... Stay safe, Tim in Texas
Referral discount!
So you're telling me that Tesla's statement of 300+ miles with awd isn't true not including battery loss? Way to let us down Elon!
egmp next?!?!?!
What's your next EV?
Tesla will take a hit like this at first and then be stable for a very long time, I have had one for 5 years, now and it's about the same as you 7%, but that did happen early on, I do not worry about it, I can drive very long road trips and never had any issues and changing times have on average about 17 minutes per stop. The car now tells you if you drive "below" 70 can add about 2.5% range, Guess you are not keeping it, but a better test would be 35, 55, 75, and 100k miles.
Sucks you're getting rid of it right when v13 is coming out
I don't care what you think of your 2023 Model Y AWD and why you are getting rid of it. I also have a 2023 Model Y LR AWD and purchased it in August 2023. It has the HW4 and newer cameras. I do not need FSD, waste of money for my needs.
I watched the whole video and haven't the foggiest idea why you are getting rid of the vehicle and why the vehicle should not be sold to public, I guess it is the 7 percent degradation does not meet your expectations. I could care less what vehicle you plan to get next.
I am retired and only drive the Model Y around town - charge up only at home. For one year now, I have put only 2000 miles on the vehicle. I am keeping this vehicle for a long time. It serves my daily needs and should last me a long time with the simple kind of driving I do.
Battery range is a don't care for me because I don't put that kind of driving stress or need/use that much charge at one time.
Your LR has much better charging than my standard range
Have you only fast charged the car this may be why the degradation is higher than normal?
No
not doing a range test, but the car says we are at 9% at 26K miles. base MY were cheap AF.....
What car are you getting next?
I’m guessing a CT. But I’m hoping it’ll be a non Tesla. This is the longest he’s had a car for a while.
@@Wasabi9111 He is a huge tesla fan so you know he's getting another model Y.
@@emrimbiemri3211I thought I seen an s in the background of one of his last videos, I’d say an s plaid,
Lets face it these cars are great for the average person that drives them to work every day and only commutes about 30 miles or less a day. They excel at city driving and even at 290 Wh/mi that's the same as 116 MPGe. If you had driven 210 miles on a regular ICE vehicle you would have used 8.4 gallons of gasoline and the average price per gallon in Charlotte right now is $2.857. So this trip would have cost the average person $23.99 in an ICE vehicle. The cost to charge at home in Charlotte for this trip would have been about $9.80 that’s half or less than what he paid. Even someone that drives 124 miles a day would save money if they used a Tesla. This is not a very good test for the average person because not many people are going to drive this far in one day unless they are on a trip. my wife can average about 230 Wh/mi on our Model Y LR. We are retires but we do go a lot around Charlotte and towns around Charlotte. Batteries will get better over time and they will have longer life in the future.
Im at 0% degradation, 49.8k miles, 2022 M3LR, warranty almost over
According to what?
334 rated miles when new at 100% SOC. (19 in wheels) Currently @ 332 @100%. Can call it 0-1%
I only use my Tesla wall connector for charging 11.5 kWh 240V
Why do you think your Model Y never should have been sold to the public?
Did you watch the video?
@@brandenflasch Too long
The car's range is ass
@@Crazy_Dashcam_Videos it's 19min. It's not that long.
@@brandenflasch I did watch the video and I still don't fully get your comment. I have a long range Model Y with 320 miles of range, which I rarely need, but I like having it anyway. For this “nice to have” I paid an extra $10k which also got me all-wheel drive.
But I can imagine someone who might want to save the $10k because they almost never need the extra range. Or be happy enough stopping a bit more often on their one long trip every two years. So I believe this is the public that Tesla made the shorter range option available for. Anyway, love your channel and keep up the great work!
That milage is terrible! , and is not the first tesla model Y I see doing this crap, on my workplace we have free chargers, so a lot of coworkers start to buy model 3 and model Y, and to have better order in the charging they create an app where they track our milage and give priority to the ones that have less charge base on the distance between workplace and their houses and also the amount of milage use, this is just to avoid waiting times or conflicts in the chargers, about 2 years ago I buy a used Chevrolet bolt the cheapest that I could find, I only need 24 miles daily, so it was enough and I dont really need any of the bullsht tesla offers, and after a couple of months I start to notice that I only require to charge one time every 2 weeks, and my range at 100% is around 290 and usually I only use 80% max, I didnt give a crap if it gets degraded, is a cheap car and I want to drive it to the ground so I only do fast charging for around 1.5 hours every 2 weeks, but because we have a really good control over the milage on around 50 different EVs most of them Teslas we notice that every single model Y never get over 200 miles, even that many of this cars suppose to go over 300 miles!, that cant be only driving habits, I really punish my car some times, and is almost impossible to get less than 250 miles on every charge, it just never happen, the only way I can reduce the range is by using the heater for very long period of time, almost like if you are trying to roast a chicken in the car, and still will give over 200 miles, I mean why they dont demand Tesla to fix this issue? is just stupid to buy a car that suppose to drive for over 300 miles and only get 200! is a total scam.
I think you can expect to lose 10% range after the first year then 2% range every year thereafter
you also fast charge more than the average person.
Yes I do
I bet real money that he will get a Model 3 Highland Long Range, rear wheel drive.
210 miles, ouch.
200mv isnt a bad balance for being at 4% SOH. Also dont know how you did that SOH calculation given you had 64.5kw charged and used/had that much left at the end. Your battery is at 95% health.
I have a 2023 Model X with a 100 kWh battery pack and now my degradation is down at 93 kWh with only 7,300k miles. So, don’t be surprised. I have a 2021 Tesla Model 3 and also lost tons of mileage early on.