The other two movies have waaaay more (worthwhile imo) stuff included in the EE. One of my fav scenes in all the movies is one of them (Dol Guldur for those curious).
I felt this first film was pretty close to the books and worth watching. The two films that come after move further and further away from Tolkien. Sadly.
You're right - The Hobbit is not as good as LOTR, but still worth the watch :). It was adapted from the children's book and you can tell :P If you were watching it and thinking something feels a bit off, it's because it was filmed in 60fps and not the usual movie's 24fps :P
The hobbit is one of those movies where instead of an extended version that's longer.. I want a shortened version where all the bloat has been cut away and the story tightened up :P
"I thought Orcs were supposed to be fearless, not really care about anything" That's actually Uruk-Hai you're thinking of, Saruman's invention based off of Orcs. Regular Orcs definitely fear, I mean, remember Return of the King? Sam coming up the stairs, the Orcs seeing his shadow? They were afraid ^^
The Orcs Sam scared at the stairs were actually Uruk-Hai. There were Uruk-Hai bred in Mordor too, but they were much fewer than in Isengard. Saruman did however focus much more on their creation than what was done in Mordor.
C.S. Lewis (who wrote the Chronicles of Narnia about 15 years later) was the guy who kept encouraging Tolkien to finish and publish the Hobbit. His private review to their circle of friends was that Tolkien had "Finally done it! He's written a book that wish we all could have read when we were children!" And he predicted it might just well become a classic.
I don't think it would appeal to casual viewers who weren't die-hard Tolkien fans. I'd consider myself in the latter category but even I skipped a lot of in the books. Treebeard, for example, never stopped singing is what it felt like!
FWIW, “That’s what Bilbo Baggins hates” was sung to the same tune Tolkien sang it, in an old audiobook recording. And farewell to the last bit of ACTUAL book-faithful goodwill we will see for the next nine hours…. 😞🤦
tbh, songs might slow down the movies a bit and would probably not resonate with anyone who isnt a tolkien fan. except "misty mountains": that scene was fire
Because most people outside of big LotR fans wouldn't be interested in that and there is limited screen time. Developing the plot and characters should be the focus.
Rest in Peace to the great Sir Ian Holm. I was so happy to see him return for these films as Bilbo once more. And Elijah Wood, Hugo Weaving, Cate Blanchett, and Sir Christopher Lee for appearing as Frodo, Lord Elrond, Lady Galadriel, and Saruman once again as well.
Dungeons and Dragons actually came up with a great reason why dragons like gold: They are partially elemental in nature, and gold is a good conductor of elemental forces, like heat and electricity. So laying on gold actually makes them feel better.
I had a DM give a different reason that I always liked, quiet simple really, they want something non-flammable to sleep on, being metal it isn't flammable and gold is a soft metal
ITs also been said that for them eating the gold is actually how they increase in size, that it lets them increase the damage of their breath weapon. One feeds into the other.
It's a story on multiple levels. At one level, it *is* a story for young people. At the same time, if you look more deeply, it's also the story of Thorin's descent into madness. The Hobbit was inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien's experiences on the front lines of the Western Front in WWI, so while the story begins in an uplifting way, in the end, the Hobbit is a tragic story of sadness and senseless loss - much like the war in itself.
Read "The Hobbit" when I was 9 yrs old and read it in just a few days ignoring homework and even reading in class. Was my first long story and first book of Tolkien I read. Has a special place in my heart because of that. So I did enjoy the Hobbit trilogy as much as the "Lord of the Rings" movies even though it isn't filmed at the same level.
I think I was about the same age when we read it in school. The books (The Hobbit and LOTR) are so much better than the movies. I didn't make it more than halfway through the first LOTR movie without walking out of the cinema. Never bothered going back for the others.
@@-_James_- I agree with you on that, the books are unmatched. Pure brilliancy. But I think walking out of the cinema is harsh. The movies are masterpieces. They make sense in their own way, and even if they might not be 100% lore-friendly, they work for a greater audience. Plus, they are shot incredibly well, feature great actors, great landscapes and one of the greatest music ever to be written for any picture.
@@-_James_- Yeah, I wouldn’t be too proud of that fact. As the person said above, they are masterpieces. Although, I read the Hobbit so many times as a kid, and didn’t like this movie much. I didn’t read LOTR, but loved the movies…so there’s that.
@@roberttheis3832 To be fair, I wasn't actually planning on going in the first place. A group of friends bought one too many tickets and dragged me along. I actually had other plans anyway, and seeing as I was pretty bored in the cinema, I figured I'd just jump off to those plans a bit earlier. I won't say the films weren't well made, but they deviated too far from the storyline and then had to waste too much time getting back on track. Also, I can only spend so much time watching five dots walk across the middle distance New Zealand landscape.
Same - I had a loft bed strung with Christmas lights. I'll never forget the time I spent over winter break reading this book up in that bed with a bag of gummy worms, rationing with each chapter. I didn't want that book to end.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I really love the Hobbit trilogy. And I think one of the main reasons it gets put down so much is because it is competing with LOTR which is pretty much impossible. But I think this trilogy has some incredible characters and fantastic moments.
I can see that. LOTR basically blows everything out of the water ITS SO GOOD 😭 It might be the case of expectations lead to disappointments? I didn't think this movie was that bad either!
The scene where Bilbo spares Gollum's life always gets me. It is THE decisive moment in the whole LotR saga. Gollum was the most despicable creature alive, a liar and a murderer, and even though he was at his mercy, Bilbo decided to spare his life. And if he hadn't, Frodo and Sam would have perished in Mount Doom, Aragorn would have died at the Black Gate, and Sauron would have ruled Middle-Earth unchallenged. The moment Bilbo spared the life of the most despicable living creature in the world, is the moment Sauron lost and was destroyed forever. And the fact that the soundtrack echoes Gandalf's and Frodo's discussion about pity and mercy in Moria is just the icing on the cake.
I don't understand why people hate on this movie, it's literally before the big war and the world isn't dead from the dark and horrible war.... So yeah it's gonna be a brighter movie and no it's not 100% perfect but they are awesome movies that connect really well enough for it to be a good experience... I watch a 6- movie marathon of all of them a few times a year, they flow greatly together.
3:48 The trope of "dragons love gold" came from the norse tale of Sigurd, with the antagonist of the story being a greedy dwarf named Fafnir, who transforms into a dragon in order to keep his hoard of treasure from any outsider.
And the story of invisibility corruption people came from a Greek myth (I think?) and is an allegory for man's tendency to be selfish when not being viewed. Tolkien later added more elements from The Ring of the Nibelung to create The Lord of the Rings.
In The Fellowship of the Ring, several callbacks to the events of the Hobbit are mentioned such as the three trolls turned to stone, Thorin Oakenshield giving Bilbo the Mithril Ring shirt, and Gimli’s father Gloin being at the meeting at Rivendale.
30:32 On the opening night I saw this in theaters, there was kid that yelled, "Get him Gandalf!" when Saruman appeared. It made us all burst out laughing.
What I love about the hobbit (the book) Is that Tolkien did indeed write it for kids. And he made sure of it by giving it to one reviewer. His 10yo son. Christopher Tolkien gave it glowing reviews and Tolkien said, that was good enough and published the book.
The actual reviewer was Rayner Unwin, son of Tolkien's editor. Christopher loved whatever his father created with the same passion professor Tolkien had when writing, to the point that he became his literary executor when the professor passed away. The map on The Lord of the Rings? It was Christopher who draw it, following his father's drafts.
@@jesterssketchbook well i'm terribly sorry I've so gravely offended you by misremembering which young kid he gave the book to be reviewed by. I hope you find solace in the fact that the point of my comment wasn't the reviewer but that Tolkien trusted one kid's opinion of the quality of his book, and you can sleep your nights soundly.
@@jayp4687 I really hate to pile on, but I know your mistakes aren't intentional, so please accept this as a friendly correction. It was Rayner's father who trusted his son's opinion and accepted the book for publishing. Tolkien, as an author, had no sway over if his books would be published or not.
Elrond recognized the two elven swords, and he even had the rightful claim to Glamdring (the sword that Gandalf used after the troll encounter). Elrond mentioned that it was the sword of the king of Gondolin, which was a hidden elven kingdom in the First Age (by the events of the film, destroyed thousands of years ago). The king of Gondolin was the Noldor elf lord Turgon, and he was also the father of a daughter named Idril who married a human called Tuor - they, in turn, had a son who they named Eärendil (major character in the history of the world of the books and films) and Eärendil was the father of twin sons named Elrond and Elros. Elrond and Elros were of half-elf lineage by virtue of Idril's union with Tuor, and all half-elves must choose whether they want to live as elves or humans. Elrond chose the (effectively) immortal life of the elves, while his brother chose a mortal life - the Gift of Men. After the defeat of the first dark lord Morgoth, Elros became the first king of Numenor, an island raised from the depths of the western ocean as a reward for the Edain (humans in elvish) for their part in the war against Morgoth... The bloodline of the kings of Numenor leads to kings of Gondor, chieftains of the Dunedain (elvish for "men of the west") and eventually to Aragorn... So Elrond not only fostered Aragorn when he was young, but he also is Aragorn's great-great-great... bunch of "greats"-uncle
i think only Eärendil's line were granted the Choice. we can assume there were other unions between humans and elves that aren't as known in the mythos.
You do raise an interesting point, that Elrond actually had a claim on Glamdring. I believe he wouldn’t object to Gandalf being the sword’s new master, considering the two are friends and close allies, and also that Gandalf travels more and could use a legendary blade in his works against the forces of evil.
40:15 "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him..." -Frodo "Pity? Pity is what made him stay his blade." -Gandalf I could only hear that scene replay in my mind when Bilbo decided not to kill Smeagol.
Being a big fan of satire, I kind of enjoy the Harvard Lampoon's take on that. 'Dildo should have killed Goddam then and there, but pity stayed his hand. "It's a pity I've run out of bullets," he said.'
21:28 When trolls turn to stone it's permanent, they're dead. Btw: we do see these trolls in stoneform again in Fellowship, when Frodo is injured and Arwen arrives
The Hobbit was written by Tolkien before Lord of the Rings. my 6th grade teacher read to us the Hobbit from her first edition copy. way back in 86. I was hooked ever since
7:39: "Balin, at your service." 60 years later... "'Here lies Balin, son of Fundin, Lord of Moria.' He is dead, then. It's as I feared." Same character.
The book was actually intended for young adult readers, so the "LOTR For Kids" comment is fairly astute. But of course, the studio wanted another big, epic trilogy with in the same style as LOTR, which the material didn't really support. That's why these movies can be tonally inconsistent. I think it helps to remind yourself that Bilbo is telling this story, so much of it is probably embellished or exaggerated.
The really should have leaned harder into that framing device of 'Bilbo telling stories' to emphasize and explain the more 'fantastical' elements, but also cutting back to him writing the Red Book, and then showing the darker elements that go alongside. That I think would help with the tonal inconsistency by incorporating it into the story, and put a bit of Grimm fairy tale feel to the whole thing. Also I feel like this would have been the Guillermo del Toro take, and I wish we could have gotten that version. No disrespect to Jackson, but he didn't want to do the Hobbit movies, he wasnt given the time or resources to do it properly, and he did a respectable job. It just wasnt enough of one thing or another to please anyone, and had to stretch to far.
"Will we ever have a movie sympathizing with the Orcs?" YES actually! Warcraft, they're still mostly the "bad guys", but you definitly sympathize with some of them
@@Cifer77 oh ups that was just out of habit^^ Ork is how you spell them in my native language. But still id argue that Warcraft Orcs have almost nothing in common with Tolkines Orcs honestly. Their build and look, their intelligence, their culture, their background. It has parallels sure but its different enough so that in my head they are not really the same.
I needed these reactions, seeing other people experience it for the first time always allows me to feel a part of that again. True it isn't as good as the LotR movies, but it still has it's place in the universe, but it still nice to feel that little glimmer of wonder once again.
I get people ot liking them making three movies out of one book But going to see these movies over Christmas in 2012, 2013 and 2014 are probably some of my favorite memories
The Hobbit book was a single story. The Lord of the Rings were a trilogy of BIG books. The adaptations to film involved the LOTR story being trimmed down significantly. The Hobbit was added to to make a trilogy. Lots of stuff in The Hobbit are made up out of whole cloth.
I heard originally lotr was one book -to rule them all- as well, but it was a book of such impressive size that publishers asked Tolkien to split it into three
Not sure if anyone else said it yet, but you have seen some of these dwarfs before. Dwalin, Dori, Nori, Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur were in the Mines of Moria in The Fellowship of the Ring
Vicky, I don't know if you'll see this comment but here goes: I've had a dreadful day (and a dreadful year) but I'm always cheered up by watching your videos. Thank you.
The line "In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty wer hole with the ends of worms and an oozy smell. It was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort." is how The Hobbit book starts, though with the narration skipped in the movie "...and an oozy smell, not yet a dry, bare, sande hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat". "Good food, a warm hearth and the comforts of home." is added in the movie, though.
VKunia you should definitely watch the Battle of the Five Armies in 2 parts. It’s one of those movies that require 2 parts to fully enjoy it. I can’t wait to watch the rest of the trilogy with you 😊 I love this trilogy despite all the hate it gets
The Hobbit films, for all their runtime, definitely censored some stuff from the book. For the instance, in the book, when Gandalf and the Dwarves are at Bilbo's house, they have a session and get stoned, not drunk.
Whether you enjoy it or not, your enthusiasm is truly enough to make me grateful for these movies. Thank you for delving in further and I hope you enjoy the experience.
one reason you may have for difficulty distinguishing Dwarves from each other is there's one element largely missing in a film compared to a book - their names. not only do we read each Dwarf's name over & over, we're also reminded that these are groups of brothers: Dwalin & Balin, Kili & Fili, Dori, Nori & Ori, Oin & Gloin, Bifur, Bofur & Bombur, and Thorin who was an only child. similar names always indicate close kinship: Aragorn son of Arathorn, Faramir & Boromir.
Actually, it WAS Tolkien for kids. He wrote it that way, long before he ever knew what Gollum’s ring would turn out to be. That’s why the book was only two hundred pages long, unlike the thousand-page epic that actually could fill three entire movies without insultingly goofy screenwriter padding. But this is just the first movie….You have been warned. 😨
as you've watched LOTR already you've seen two references to this event. first at Bilbo's party when he told the story to a group of Hobbit children & once on the road to Rivendell when they briefly stopped at the site after Frodo was stabbed with the Morgul blade.
@@bigdream_dreambig the extended edition of The Battle of the Five Armies is rated R for some reason idk it’s just what the DVD box says and the internet
The whole part with Bilbo and Gollum was shot within the first week of The Hobbit shooting with Andy Serkis donning a mo-cap suit and facial camera to both film and to motion capture Gollum's movements at the same time (which wasn't possible during The Lord of the Rings except for when they experimented with doing filming with mo-cap on the pickups for The Return of the King to save time, skipping the need to film the scenes once then redo them in the motion capture sage, which takes time in post production). Once the filming of the Misty Mountain tunnels were done, Andy Serkis started his role as a second unit director and the scenes at Bag End with Bilbo and the dwarves started.
One thing you need to know going into this is that this went through development hell between switching directors, added filler and fan service that wasn’t in the book, Warner Bros wanting it to be a trilogy despite The Hobbit not having enough material for it, and the heavy reliance on CGI due to type of camera used. The tone is also much different to the LOTR due to it being a children’s book of a more whimsical fantasy tone which is still being taught to kids today to stretch their literacy skills. Tolkien then revised parts of the book for future editions so it would be part of the larger LOTR universe, which it wasn’t originally a part of during its creation and first edition release.
The ring didn't luck its way onto Bilbo's finger. ..it has a will of its own. The ring wanted to leave the cave because it had been trapped with Gollum for centuries and saw Bilbo as good vehicle to ride out.
The ring was content with Gollum all those years, largely inert. It only stirred and began to move away from Gollum because the spirit of Sauron was gaining strength again as the Necromancer. It could sense the return of its master and began to try and return to him.
The Man in the Moon song that Bofur sings is from The Fellowship of the Ring book which Frodo sings at the Dancing Pony (in order to distract people from Pippin who was about to tell about what happened at Bilbo's Birthday Party) and it was a song that Bilbo came up with (and was very rpoud of). The notion is that either Bilbo came up with the song and taught it to Bofur or Bofur came up with it and taught it to Bilbo (though to be more true to the books, I'd say the former). The song is actually an extended edition of the nursery rhyme Hey Diddle Diddle which have the cat playing the fiddle and the cow that jumped over the moon.
Balin, the older Dwarf with the white hair and beard, is the Dwarf who’s stone coffin is in Moria in the Lord of the Rings, when the Fellowship get attacked by the hundreds of orcs and trolls after Pippin knocks the skeleton down the well shaft, before the Balrog appears. After the events of the Hobbit, once The mountain is reclaimed, he heads to Moria with a number of other dwarves to try to reclaim that too… ultimately, he failed, and was killed.
I honestly love these movies a lot just brought back so much nostalgia for me and I love Gandalf soo much.. I really really love Galadriel she’s amazing… and I’m excited about the rings of power starting in September
People were actually requesting this?! He should look like Pippin. They would be cousins. Bilbo's Mother was a Took. Going to Poland will probably do you well. Get back to your roots. It's one half of mine and is on my bucket list. I've only been to Puerto Rico. I still wish to visit Spain and Poland.
Well, their story is quite sad. If you/anyone else doesn't known their backstory, then i'd recommend reading Rise of the Horde. Spoilers down below They orcs start out very similar to Native American Indians in that they tend to prefer shamanism and have a love and respect for nature before one of the Shaman's named Ner'zhul is promised power by a great demonlord. Afterwards he sells out the entire orc race along with his apprentice Gul'dan. They drink the demon Mannoroth's blood which turns them into raging monsters, but 1 orc warchief refused e.g. Durotan and his wife Draka. When the demonic magics suck the life out of Draenor and threaten the orcs with extinction, they open a portal to Azeroth helped by Medivh (who is possessed by the dark Titan Sargeras) and thus starts the first invasion of Azeroth
@@Eidlones I had always been a big "for the Horde!" player, so of course I loved the orc parts of the film- the odd thing was that the movie finally got me interested in the human/alliance side of things. One of my favorite actors played one of the major human characters though, so perhaps that helped. ;)
It's a story that he wrote for children and he later revised it to make it the prologue for Lord of the Rings. I can appreciate the pains that Jackson and team had to go to to merge the two stories as The Hobbit is definitely packed with more old-school fable/fairie-tale elements than is LotR. I myself struggle with many moments in the trilogy, but I also love the beauty of it, especially the imagery of the first movie and the introduction to Smaug in the second. The introductory story narrated by Bilbo still gives me chills, absolutely gorgeous.
The individual dwarves (or at least some of them) come through in the later movies. I think most of the criticism of these movies is they were bloated with material not in the Hobbit.
@@johnglue1744 You realize that 95% of the movies are actually canon to the lore right? Not only would it need to tie in to the LOTR because its a prequel, but it would also need time to make Thorin and Bilbo well developed characters as well as give personality and development to the *twelve* other dwarves this journey takes place with. As well as do justice to everyone they meet during the adventure. Then it would need to do the relevant world building and give the relevant context to what takes place during the story. How in the hell do you expect this to be possible with just one movie? Or two for that matter?
@@Morten_Storvik Solely going off the content of The Hobbit book is not enough for three films. Odd how each of the LOTR books only got one movie each yet the shortest book, The Hobbit got three films itself. Peter Jackson tried to jam in as much stuff as possible which turned into a bloated mess.
@@Morten_Storvik This could have been done in two films and it would structurally make more sense. Instead they stretched it out and added way too much rather than establishing characters and using time efficiently.
Balin and Dwalin's headbutting comes from The Lord of the RIngs shooting where Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn) had the strange habit to heabutt people as a way to greet his fellow cast member and stunt performers such as Sala Baker (Sauron's body, Man-Flesh Uruk and several orcs and Uruk Hai) and even made him headbutt Orlando Bloom (Legolas) who saw a white light for a couple of seconds. On his last day of shooting pickups for Return of the King, he couldn't hep to headbutt all the stunties as a way to say goodbye.
Saw the thumbnail. "LotR for kids?" yes absolutely! My dad used to read the Hobbit to me when I was little. LotR is largely considered cooler because it's targeted to a slightly older audience. They should've adapted Hobbit to film before LotR.
I agree with this. Not being a fan of the Harry Potter series at all... but I believe they have had a much more natural growth to their movies. Audiences literally grew up and matured with them.
8:51 I really want to go to Hobbiton when they have big feasts like that. I think they do them every year for Bilbo's birthday. I've been to Hobbiton but only on a tour so I didn't have much time to actually sit back and relax there.
Don't care how anybody else feels about this trilogy, i really enjoyed them, i've watched them quite a few times with my family. I heard there was a bit of a messy production to these though, and that peter jackson was called din at the last minute after other people quit.
The other director was fired because the studio didn't like the tone he was aiming for. The director was G. del Toro who has won multiple Oscars for his dark fantasy stories. Dang fools.
I'm one of those people who enjoyed this trilogy regardless of its differences from the source material. I have the books myself and I'm currently reading them; the book is better in some ways but I appreciate some of the liberties the films here took as well, such as giving Azog a bigger role than being just a footnote in Moria's history.
While not as great as LOTR, there are some amazing performances in these films particularly Richard Armitage as Thorin and Martin Freeman as young Bilbo
The Brown Wizard is played by Sylvester McCoy. He is the 7th Doctor from Doctor Who, one of my favorite classic Doctors. In the show he dressed like a cross between the Penguin and the Riddler. He was awesome as The Doctor.
A good friend of mine went to Poland to stay for a while and to learn the language. She still speaks about it 15 years later. Have at it, girl, and bring back some stories.
The thrush is showing them where the secret door is. Tolkien wrote "The Hobbit" for his children. It was so popular with adults, he wrote LOTR with adults in mind.
I heard Peter Dinklage was offered to play one of the Dwarfs but turned it down because he didn't like playing the stereo-typical dwarf in fantasy. This scenario happened before Game of Thrones was adapted by HBO.
There's like a spin off somewhere of the back story of Smaug.. Where they told us the dwarves stole the gold from Smaug parents many years ago and killed them along with his siblings, and that's why Thorin's grandfather became obsessed with the gold, cause it was dragon gold
"The Hobbit"films, I actually enjoy, even if I have a few misgivings about how much it tries to tie things to LOTR(some of the stuff involved such as Gandalf finding the Key, etc; and his reasons for joining the dwarf quest.) The Five Wizards, by Tolkiens notes, are pretty much angels given human form(at least in Tolkiens world), sent to guide and help the different peoples of Middle Earth. Saruman, as we see, loses his way and gains a mind of metal and wheels, caring only for power. Radagast loses himself in nature. The two Blue Wizards(Allatar and Pallando)disappear into the East and begin cults of magic. Of the Five, only Gandalf truly stays to the quest, with his decision to help the dwarves being one of caution, as he says(since Smaug, as the last of the Great Worms, is such a dangerous enemy if he sides with orcs or others.) The trolls don't rise again, they turn to stone forever(in "Fellowship of the Ring"directors cut, Sam even points them out when Frodo is turning into a wraith after the Witch King stabs him(and Bilbo tells the story to the Hobbit kids at his birthday party.) Radagast mentions Ungoliant when he says the spiders are their spawn. Ungoliant was a massive spider who was so dangerous, she had to be driven off by Balrogs when she attempted to eat the kill the first Dark Lord(Morgoth, Saurons predecessor.) Thrains Ring is one of the Seven Dwarf Rings of Power, as you may have guessed. I always loved the part of the mythos that the dwarves couldn't be controlled by Sauron, simply because they were so damn stubborn(however, they were made more greedy by Saurons manipulations.) At this point, Saruman has not yet fallen to evil, but he was seeking the Ring of Power after Isildur lost it in the Anduin River(when he was killed), believing he could control it. When Gollum drops the ring, it even falls the same way it does in the prologue of "LOTR"(though they did change things up, since it wasn't Ian Holm this time picking it up.) Remember that Gollum is tortured and reveals his last name and where he is, which leads to the Nazgul trying to track the Ring there. I absolutely LOVE the shot when Bilbo says "I want to play", as Gollum turns his face down into the shadows and he raises his face again to reveal Smeagol's more playful one(you can tell them apart by their pupil dilation. Smeagols are more big, round and innocent, Gollum's pupils are smaller and more sinister. The shot of Bilbo realizing he pities Gollum as the "Shire"theme plays always gives me chills. Also the line "Curse it and crush it! WE HATES IT FOREVERRRRR!" The shot of Smaug waking up always gives me chills too. But imagine being me and having to wait a year between the movie releases!
the rabbits are a Jackson thing, there's no rabbits pulling a sled in the book. apparently somebody in production saw a TV show about this huge breed of rabbits & was inspired.
Duncan Jones' "World of Warcraft" movie is sympathetic to Orcs, at least so far as showing that they're no worse than any other people even if they're still the movie's bad guys.
Hello there VKunia. Tolkien wrote the start of Middle-Earth (The Silmarillion) in the trenches during WW1. He wrote his first line of The Hobbit on an exam paper when he was professor of Anglo-Saxon languages at Oxford and continued the story. Everyone loved it so much and encouraged Tolkien to write a sequel. The Silmarillion in his head, The Hobbit edited... The Lord of The Rings was just some time away. Elen Silã Lümenn Omentièlvo, May a star shine upon the hour of our meeting. Namarië.
Hello there Vkunia. I didn't expect to win something. I'm from Belgium. I dunno you ship to my country but perhaps you could appoint somebody else? Hugz
For most, the general issue is that it should have been two movies instead of three. The Hobbit is a much shorter story than LOTR, so many felt that it went on a bit too much than it needed to. In fact, having two films was the original idea, back when Del Toro was the original director for the films. Del Toro wanted to make something that respected and honored Tolkien’s work, much like Peter Jackson did, and would have used his usual creative designs for the film. But the Warner heads wanted to rush Del Toro, which caused Del Toro to leave the production. This is when Jackson was brought back in, and the idea for three films started up. Now, given more time, I don’t doubt that Peter Jackson could have given a Hobbit trilogy that could have stood better alongside the LOTR trilogy. But like with Del Toro, Jackson was rushed by the studio heads, so there wasn’t enough time to properly perfect everything to the best that he could.
@@jaydonmagan4694 i think the bigger beef is how much the story was changed and added on from the book. they could've made a perfectly loyal 3 movies with every little detail from the book in them while enriching the story, but instead force-fed us a dwarf-elf limerence triangle, as is the way of Hollywood, and completely against the lore of Tolkien. and brought back Azog for no reason. they could've just used Bolg who was already featured in the book and let Azog stay dead as he was. who the heck was Alfrid supposed to be? and i'm also sad they decided against giving each of the dwarves a bigger role, as they'd apparently originally intended. it could've really improved them from the book. so many lost opportunities, so much nonsense..
@@Pearleace I’m not really against them deciding to have Azog as the main Orc antagonist for the films. I’m even pretty sure that Azog was brought on as the antagonist back when Del Toro was working as the director. Yes, they could have had Bolg as the antagonist, seeking revenge for Azog’s death at the hands of Thorin, but I don’t see Azog’s inevitable role in the trilogy as anything that harms those films. As far as I can recollect about the differences between Azog from the books and Azog from the movies is that Azog leads the orc pack instead of Bolg in the movies, and has a personal vendetta against Thorin. If Azog hunting down the Company was the only major change from the books that they had for the movies, I don’t think it’d have been anything too egregious; especially when you compare that change from the books to the more major changes that the Hobbit trilogy ended up making.
Watched this in the theatre in Real 3D. You swore you were standing right next to the camera, watching the performances. When they passed food across, you swore you could grab a piece for yourself. was shot at 36 frames per second, instead of 24. this starts to fake you out, as your eyes are seeing closer to how we normally see in 48 'frames' per second, information wise. Was terrific!
•Sir Ian Holm, RIP! •... pride, honor, respect, etc... •The Dwarves have a history of amassing troves of treasure so great, it attracted Dragons. However, part of this was also because of Sauron and the 7 rings of power given to the Dwarf Lords. The rings are what increased the Dwarves love of gold. •The Arkenstone is a jewel, not an egg. •Tolkien took inspiration from the Jewish diaspora when writing the Dwarves and the exile from their homelands. •"In a hole in the ground, there lived a Hobbit." - the very first line Tolkien wrote and it was on the back of a student's term paper that he was grading. •One of the problems this trilogy did not have was its casting. Martin Freeman was great as Bilbo. •You can go to New Zealand and visit the Hobbit holes. They kept them up as a tourist attraction. Bucket List Item •Think of the Dwarves as Scots; they're sarcastic and great fighters, but a nice people. •So of the 13 Dwarves of Thorin and Company, you have Thorin Oakenshield, son of Thrain, King Under the Mountain-in-Exile and Lord of Ered Luin, Kili and Fili, sons of Dis (Thorin's sister), Balin and Dwalin, sons of Fundin, Dori, Nori, and their cousin Ori, Oin and Gloin, sons of Groin (Gloin is Gimli's father. Gimli was deemed too young for this quest as he was in his 60s) and Bofur, Bombur, and their cousin Bifur. •Prior to Merry and Pippin drinking the ent draught, Bullroarer Took was the tallest Hobbit in history at 4 ft. 5 in. •Culture Shock is real, but passes quickly. One should leave one's comfort zone and see the world, but then, one does not simply walk into Mordor (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself). •It's probably more that Azog wanted to continue killing people, but his soldiers wanted to keep their commander alive. Think of the blood loss from losing an arm. Even so, in the book, Azog was killed by Dain Ironfoot, Thorin's cousin and the Lord of the Iron Hills, in this very battle. •There is no greater sign of loyalty or endearment than to call a man your king ... and I'm an American. •No, that's a warg. In the books and this trilogy, wargs resemble large wolves, while Peter Jackson gave them a more hyena-like appearance in The Lord of the Rings films. •A common complaint of this trilogy was that, unlike The Lord of the Rings, there is a greater reliance on CGI for the orcs. •Radagast uses rhosgobel rabbits, which are larger than regular rabbits. •Nope, they're stuck as statues. Remember after Frodo was stabbed on Weathertop, Aragorn brought the Hobbits to that spot to find kingsfoil and Sam commented about finding "Mr. Bilbo's trolls." •I have never loved or identified with the Dwarves more than "Where's the meat?!" •Well part of that is because Elves do not age, the other part of that is I'm not sure Cate Blanchett ages. Some celebrities just seem to cheat aging. •Saruman the White before his fall to the Dark Side (RIP, Sir Christopher Lee a.k.a. Count Dooku) •"It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance." "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand." •I believe adrenaline may play a part in how Bilbo can go up against wargs and orcs. •The Hobbit was one book, but yes, Peter Jackson stretched it out into 3 films. •In Tolkien's mythology, dragons were created by Melkor, the Dark Lord before Sauron. Dragons inherited greed and so hoard gold just because they can.
Another aspect of Bilbo and the Dwarves being unexpectedly great fighters for their size is that they are not human, and do not have the same strength as a human their size would. They're actually stronger than a human who is a foot or two taller than them would be.
Two observations: In theaters the 48fps presentation was highly distracting to down-right awful. And I can barely remember the plot points and characters of the Hobbit trilogy but almost all of the LoTR. The latter has so much more: richer characters, settings, character development, crucial plot points, lore, music, etc.
Appreciate that you didn't just rave about how great the movie was like many other reactors. It's a fine trilogy, and would have done much better imo if it was released before LotR, but it's hard to measure up to perfection.
@@Pearleace - Granted, but in my eyes, any complaints are minor nitpicks. The movies may not have been completely true to the source material, but for a movie some changes are understandable and acceptable. Or did you mean the books are hardly perfect? Because I have more issues with Tolkien's work than Jackson's.
@@jowbloe3673 no, i definitely mean the movies. i don't like what they did with Frodo's and Faramir's characters, especially, and even Denethor, all for the sake of drama; it wasn't really needed.
@@Pearleace - It took me four viewings of the *Fellowship* before I accepted it, and it has now become what I consider the LotR to be. Read the books just before the movies came out for the umpteenth time to reacquaint myself and realized that there were definitely things in the books I did not like either.
@@Pearleace - Agree about Denethor. They did a *very* poor job of showing his corruption by Sauron through the palantír, in fact I don't think anything about that was mentioned or even alluded to. He just came across as hindquarters, which was unfair to Denethor, but worked well enough for a movie imo.
When I was 24, I left my home in Canada and went to live and work in South Korea for a year, so I kind of know what you're feeling -- I'm sure you will have a blast, hopefully you are fluent in Polish!
I’m one of the few that really enjoyed this trilogy and kind of like it better than LOTR. Don’t get me wrong this is the worse trilogy but I much prefer Bilbo over Frodo and I just like the story/journey more. Still love LOTR and Middle Earth as a whole. I’m being optimistic for the tv show.
Love all your reviews and commentaries. Watching a lot of your older stuff to catch up. I hope to support you through Patreon soon. You are fun, funny, and amazing. Keep up the amazing content, VKunia 😁🥰
One of the highlights of An Unexpected Journey was the return of characters we met in Lord of the Rings. The nostalgia is enough to bring you to tears because it's like they never left.
for me its because it felt like the children adventure book that the book felt when I read it. sadly they decide to become a bit too serious and take too many liberties in the later movies...
If you didn't know, when the Fellowship were in the mines of Moria, they came to the tomb of Gimli's uncle, Balin. That's the same Balin from here, the wise dwarf with the grey beard. After the events of the Hobbit, he went to Moria to reclaim the mines, but was killed by orcs there, sadly.
@@VKunia Fantasy movies that are at least on The Hobbit trilogy's level, if not quite LOTR level: Harry Potter series Chronicles Of Narnia series The Mummy movies with Brendan Fraser The Last Witch Hunter with Vin Diesel Also, since you're a big character person a book recommendation: The Goblin Corps by Ari Marmell. Bonus: one of the main protagonists is a very sarcastic Orc named Craeosh. A language warning does apply though, several of the characters are fond of saying "fuck".
I'm glad they left it as child friendly as they could. When Tolkien first started his writing it was the Hobbit story, and it was stories told to his little ones. It's fitting
I definitely enjoyed the hobbit trilogy. It is great. Lord of the rings is better, but that doesn’t mean the hobbit is bad. Excited for you to finish this trilogy 😁
I have yet to see a reaction of someone who saw the Lord of the Rings trilogy that recognizes the name Balin, when he shows up. I saw The Hobbit the first time and was like: Balin, hey, I saw your grave in Moria. Seems that you were a likable guy.
The one and done expectation going in makes sense because the Hobbit was ONE book while the Lord of the Rings was THREE books. So Hobbit tries to spread a single books worth of content over 3 movies. While LoTR tries to fit three books worth of content into 3 movies. On not getting as invested it's because you have 12 fairly generic dwarves tagging along on an adventure with very little character development. Where as in Fellowship you have a bunch of different races, personalities, and backgrounds all bounces off each other for interesting interactions. The Hobbit was also originally released as a bunch of short stories or weekly episodes so it's meant to be from one exciting encounter to the next. Basically think weekly comics in the newspaper that were later compiled into a single book. Thus a lot of it lacks the polish of the Lord of the Rings. Them tring to pad it out over 3 movies is what highlights the cracks. I found many critics think it would have been better as 2 movies by cutting out a lot of filler and shorting a few things like the last movie which is basically just a single long battle scene.
I was introduced to The Hobbit by my 5th grade English teacher. She read a couple chapters to the class. I loved it and read the rest of the book. It was my first introduction to Fantasy. It just happens Star Wars was released the summer between 4th & 5th grade. Been reading Sci-Fi & Fantasy since.
You had to get through this movie to get to the next 2, which are actually a lot of fun. Great for you for watching the extended versions!! They put A TON of extra important scenes in them!! It makes all the difference just as they did with LoTR.
The Hobbit was a children's book when it came out at the time. The Lord of The Rings was written in the 1950s and was a matured tone almost like it was intended to grow-up with the kids who read The Hobbit in the 1930s.
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Yes, this was the extended edition! But I don't think I was as hyped with the extended edition as I was for LOTR! What do you guys think?
The other two movies have waaaay more (worthwhile imo) stuff included in the EE. One of my fav scenes in all the movies is one of them (Dol Guldur for those curious).
I felt this first film was pretty close to the books and worth watching. The two films that come after move further and further away from Tolkien. Sadly.
You're right - The Hobbit is not as good as LOTR, but still worth the watch :). It was adapted from the children's book and you can tell :P
If you were watching it and thinking something feels a bit off, it's because it was filmed in 60fps and not the usual movie's 24fps :P
I thought you weren’t gonna start the Hobbit trilogy.
The hobbit is one of those movies where instead of an extended version that's longer.. I want a shortened version where all the bloat has been cut away and the story tightened up :P
"He looks like Pippin" That is an adorable observation, when you consider that Bilbo's mother was a Took and Peregrine himself is a Took as well!
Pippin and Bilbo are first cousins twice removed
Yeah I to notice the resemblance and the fact that both are Tooks
The Dwarves singing Misty Mountains always gives me chills.
You should check the version by Clamavi Di Profundis. They sang the full song, but followed the melody the actors used.
I remember being genuinely surprised (and thrilled) that they included that in the film.
Same
@@MrJordwalkit’s a beautiful version
"I thought Orcs were supposed to be fearless, not really care about anything"
That's actually Uruk-Hai you're thinking of, Saruman's invention based off of Orcs. Regular Orcs definitely fear, I mean, remember Return of the King? Sam coming up the stairs, the Orcs seeing his shadow? They were afraid ^^
Yeah orcs are pretty dumb but loveable especially in the Warhammer 40k universe
Uruk-Hai are actually Saurons invention
@@ichbinzwardummaber yeah they’re much more vicious and organised compared to the orcs
Fun fact: in the books, the ring was part of the reason Sam had such a fearful presence.
The Orcs Sam scared at the stairs were actually Uruk-Hai. There were Uruk-Hai bred in Mordor too, but they were much fewer than in Isengard. Saruman did however focus much more on their creation than what was done in Mordor.
C.S. Lewis (who wrote the Chronicles of Narnia about 15 years later) was the guy who kept encouraging Tolkien to finish and publish the Hobbit. His private review to their circle of friends was that Tolkien had "Finally done it! He's written a book that wish we all could have read when we were children!" And he predicted it might just well become a classic.
Characters sing throughout both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings books. Unusual that we got so LITTLE singing in the films, actually.
I don't think it would appeal to casual viewers who weren't die-hard Tolkien fans. I'd consider myself in the latter category but even I skipped a lot of in the books. Treebeard, for example, never stopped singing is what it felt like!
FWIW, “That’s what Bilbo Baggins hates” was sung to the same tune Tolkien sang it, in an old audiobook recording.
And farewell to the last bit of ACTUAL book-faithful goodwill we will see for the next nine hours…. 😞🤦
The book has page after page of songs. It pretty weird reading the book and trying to image what the music sounds like.
tbh, songs might slow down the movies a bit and would probably not resonate with anyone who isnt a tolkien fan. except "misty mountains": that scene was fire
Because most people outside of big LotR fans wouldn't be interested in that and there is limited screen time. Developing the plot and characters should be the focus.
Rest in Peace to the great Sir Ian Holm. I was so happy to see him return for these films as Bilbo once more. And Elijah Wood, Hugo Weaving, Cate Blanchett, and Sir Christopher Lee for appearing as Frodo, Lord Elrond, Lady Galadriel, and Saruman once again as well.
Farewell…master burglar
Gandalf is always there to save the day because
a wizard is neither late nor early, he arrives precisely when he means to.
Also, if he doesn't, everyone else dies and then no one will pay to see the rest of the trilogy.
@@enigmamz 😆👍
Gandalf is Batman
Heck yes.
Dungeons and Dragons actually came up with a great reason why dragons like gold: They are partially elemental in nature, and gold is a good conductor of elemental forces, like heat and electricity. So laying on gold actually makes them feel better.
So... In other words all of those gold is just a blanket.
I had a DM give a different reason that I always liked, quiet simple really, they want something non-flammable to sleep on, being metal it isn't flammable and gold is a soft metal
ITs also been said that for them eating the gold is actually how they increase in size, that it lets them increase the damage of their breath weapon. One feeds into the other.
my own theory - Dragons stomach acid dissolves everything but gold. And they deficate where they sleep.
No wonder Smaug would bury himself in gold and hibernate
It's a story on multiple levels. At one level, it *is* a story for young people. At the same time, if you look more deeply, it's also the story of Thorin's descent into madness. The Hobbit was inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien's experiences on the front lines of the Western Front in WWI, so while the story begins in an uplifting way, in the end, the Hobbit is a tragic story of sadness and senseless loss - much like the war in itself.
Read "The Hobbit" when I was 9 yrs old and read it in just a few days ignoring homework and even reading in class. Was my first long story and first book of Tolkien I read. Has a special place in my heart because of that. So I did enjoy the Hobbit trilogy as much as the "Lord of the Rings" movies even though it isn't filmed at the same level.
I think I was about the same age when we read it in school. The books (The Hobbit and LOTR) are so much better than the movies. I didn't make it more than halfway through the first LOTR movie without walking out of the cinema. Never bothered going back for the others.
@@-_James_- I agree with you on that, the books are unmatched. Pure brilliancy. But I think walking out of the cinema is harsh. The movies are masterpieces. They make sense in their own way, and even if they might not be 100% lore-friendly, they work for a greater audience. Plus, they are shot incredibly well, feature great actors, great landscapes and one of the greatest music ever to be written for any picture.
@@-_James_- Yeah, I wouldn’t be too proud of that fact. As the person said above, they are masterpieces.
Although, I read the Hobbit so many times as a kid, and didn’t like this movie much. I didn’t read LOTR, but loved the movies…so there’s that.
@@roberttheis3832 To be fair, I wasn't actually planning on going in the first place. A group of friends bought one too many tickets and dragged me along. I actually had other plans anyway, and seeing as I was pretty bored in the cinema, I figured I'd just jump off to those plans a bit earlier.
I won't say the films weren't well made, but they deviated too far from the storyline and then had to waste too much time getting back on track. Also, I can only spend so much time watching five dots walk across the middle distance New Zealand landscape.
Same - I had a loft bed strung with Christmas lights. I'll never forget the time I spent over winter break reading this book up in that bed with a bag of gummy worms, rationing with each chapter. I didn't want that book to end.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I really love the Hobbit trilogy. And I think one of the main reasons it gets put down so much is because it is competing with LOTR which is pretty much impossible. But I think this trilogy has some incredible characters and fantastic moments.
I can see that. LOTR basically blows everything out of the water ITS SO GOOD 😭 It might be the case of expectations lead to disappointments? I didn't think this movie was that bad either!
@@VKunia Yeah I think so. If you go into these movies with no expectations you definitely enjoy them more.
the LoTR movies were not as good as the Hobbit movies. Dante totally nailed it in Clerks 2. "it's just 3 movies of them walking..."...lol
@@DHFHades If that's all you see I feel like you look at things through a very shallow mindset.
I completely agree, I love both trilogies
The scene where Bilbo spares Gollum's life always gets me. It is THE decisive moment in the whole LotR saga.
Gollum was the most despicable creature alive, a liar and a murderer, and even though he was at his mercy, Bilbo decided to spare his life. And if he hadn't, Frodo and Sam would have perished in Mount Doom, Aragorn would have died at the Black Gate, and Sauron would have ruled Middle-Earth unchallenged.
The moment Bilbo spared the life of the most despicable living creature in the world, is the moment Sauron lost and was destroyed forever. And the fact that the soundtrack echoes Gandalf's and Frodo's discussion about pity and mercy in Moria is just the icing on the cake.
J.R.R. Tolkien published the Hobbit in 1937 as a children’s book and later in the 1950’s expanded his story for a more adult audience.
I don't understand why people hate on this movie, it's literally before the big war and the world isn't dead from the dark and horrible war.... So yeah it's gonna be a brighter movie and no it's not 100% perfect but they are awesome movies that connect really well enough for it to be a good experience... I watch a 6- movie marathon of all of them a few times a year, they flow greatly together.
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The trope of "dragons love gold" came from the norse tale of Sigurd, with the antagonist of the story being a greedy dwarf named Fafnir, who transforms into a dragon in order to keep his hoard of treasure from any outsider.
And the story of invisibility corruption people came from a Greek myth (I think?) and is an allegory for man's tendency to be selfish when not being viewed. Tolkien later added more elements from The Ring of the Nibelung to create The Lord of the Rings.
@@shanerux8971 The Ring of Gyges. Not mythical, but rather a thought experiment by Plato in The Republic.
In The Fellowship of the Ring, several callbacks to the events of the Hobbit are mentioned such as the three trolls turned to stone, Thorin Oakenshield giving Bilbo the Mithril Ring shirt, and Gimli’s father Gloin being at the meeting at Rivendale.
And Smaug, and what the impact did on Bilbo.
30:32 On the opening night I saw this in theaters, there was kid that yelled, "Get him Gandalf!" when Saruman appeared.
It made us all burst out laughing.
Dude I think that was me 😂 I was 8 when I saw this in theaters
What I love about the hobbit (the book) Is that Tolkien did indeed write it for kids. And he made sure of it by giving it to one reviewer. His 10yo son. Christopher Tolkien gave it glowing reviews and Tolkien said, that was good enough and published the book.
The actual reviewer was Rayner Unwin, son of Tolkien's editor.
Christopher loved whatever his father created with the same passion professor Tolkien had when writing, to the point that he became his literary executor when the professor passed away. The map on The Lord of the Rings? It was Christopher who draw it, following his father's drafts.
@@vinnycordeiro lol this dude just making up his own history
@@jesterssketchbook well i'm terribly sorry I've so gravely offended you by misremembering which young kid he gave the book to be reviewed by. I hope you find solace in the fact that the point of my comment wasn't the reviewer but that Tolkien trusted one kid's opinion of the quality of his book, and you can sleep your nights soundly.
@@jayp4687 I really hate to pile on, but I know your mistakes aren't intentional, so please accept this as a friendly correction. It was Rayner's father who trusted his son's opinion and accepted the book for publishing. Tolkien, as an author, had no sway over if his books would be published or not.
Elrond recognized the two elven swords, and he even had the rightful claim to Glamdring (the sword that Gandalf used after the troll encounter).
Elrond mentioned that it was the sword of the king of Gondolin, which was a hidden elven kingdom in the First Age (by the events of the film, destroyed thousands of years ago). The king of Gondolin was the Noldor elf lord Turgon, and he was also the father of a daughter named Idril who married a human called Tuor - they, in turn, had a son who they named Eärendil (major character in the history of the world of the books and films) and Eärendil was the father of twin sons named Elrond and Elros.
Elrond and Elros were of half-elf lineage by virtue of Idril's union with Tuor, and all half-elves must choose whether they want to live as elves or humans. Elrond chose the (effectively) immortal life of the elves, while his brother chose a mortal life - the Gift of Men. After the defeat of the first dark lord Morgoth, Elros became the first king of Numenor, an island raised from the depths of the western ocean as a reward for the Edain (humans in elvish) for their part in the war against Morgoth... The bloodline of the kings of Numenor leads to kings of Gondor, chieftains of the Dunedain (elvish for "men of the west") and eventually to Aragorn... So Elrond not only fostered Aragorn when he was young, but he also is Aragorn's great-great-great... bunch of "greats"-uncle
i think only Eärendil's line were granted the Choice. we can assume there were other unions between humans and elves that aren't as known in the mythos.
You do raise an interesting point, that Elrond actually had a claim on Glamdring. I believe he wouldn’t object to Gandalf being the sword’s new master, considering the two are friends and close allies, and also that Gandalf travels more and could use a legendary blade in his works against the forces of evil.
@@Saber2793 Obviously he didn't object, since Gandalf utilized it even after they left Rivendell to continue the journey.
@@filthycasual8187 That's true, but I wonder if they even discussed it, or Elrond just silently admitted that Gandalf should have the sword.
Vicky here: "Yes, always spare a life."
Vicky during the battle of Helm's Deep: "KILL HIM!!!!!"
40:15 "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him..." -Frodo
"Pity? Pity is what made him stay his blade." -Gandalf
I could only hear that scene replay in my mind when Bilbo decided not to kill Smeagol.
Being a big fan of satire, I kind of enjoy the Harvard Lampoon's take on that. 'Dildo should have killed Goddam then and there, but pity stayed his hand. "It's a pity I've run out of bullets," he said.'
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When trolls turn to stone it's permanent, they're dead.
Btw: we do see these trolls in stoneform again in Fellowship, when Frodo is injured and Arwen arrives
FYI, the second dwarf to arrive is Balin, Gimli’s cousin. It’s his grave that the fellowship encounters in the depths of Moria
Nori's body is also there, if I remember correctly.
The Hobbit was written by Tolkien before Lord of the Rings. my 6th grade teacher read to us the Hobbit from her first edition copy. way back in 86. I was hooked ever since
7:39: "Balin, at your service."
60 years later...
"'Here lies Balin, son of Fundin, Lord of Moria.' He is dead, then. It's as I feared."
Same character.
The book was actually intended for young adult readers, so the "LOTR For Kids" comment is fairly astute. But of course, the studio wanted another big, epic trilogy with in the same style as LOTR, which the material didn't really support. That's why these movies can be tonally inconsistent.
I think it helps to remind yourself that Bilbo is telling this story, so much of it is probably embellished or exaggerated.
It was actually a bedtime story for his kids orginally.
The really should have leaned harder into that framing device of 'Bilbo telling stories' to emphasize and explain the more 'fantastical' elements, but also cutting back to him writing the Red Book, and then showing the darker elements that go alongside. That I think would help with the tonal inconsistency by incorporating it into the story, and put a bit of Grimm fairy tale feel to the whole thing.
Also I feel like this would have been the Guillermo del Toro take, and I wish we could have gotten that version. No disrespect to Jackson, but he didn't want to do the Hobbit movies, he wasnt given the time or resources to do it properly, and he did a respectable job.
It just wasnt enough of one thing or another to please anyone, and had to stretch to far.
It was Peter Jackson. He wanted the 3 parter because he wanted to bring the same adventure that was with lord of the rings. But I like these movies
@@nicholaswoods8061He wanted 2 but was pushed into doing 3 by the studio. A huge mistake.
Fun Fact: Voice of Azog is Slade Wilson from Arrow; Manu Bennett
"Will we ever have a movie sympathizing with the Orcs?"
YES actually! Warcraft, they're still mostly the "bad guys", but you definitly sympathize with some of them
well yeah but those are very different kinds of orks. Cant really compare them that well^^
Only word ,,Orc" is similar to them, rest is diffrent
@@datzfatz2368 Well of course they're different, but they're still Orcs, no matter how you spell it.
@@avrace2708 Well obviously, this could be applied to many fantasy races through various IPs, they're never 100% identical.
@@Cifer77 oh ups that was just out of habit^^ Ork is how you spell them in my native language. But still id argue that Warcraft Orcs have almost nothing in common with Tolkines Orcs honestly. Their build and look, their intelligence, their culture, their background. It has parallels sure but its different enough so that in my head they are not really the same.
Rest in the halls of Moria under the white light, king balin, one of the company, one of good heart, and one of strong arm.
In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. still gives me chills just like the first time I read it 30 years ago.
I needed these reactions, seeing other people experience it for the first time always allows me to feel a part of that again. True it isn't as good as the LotR movies, but it still has it's place in the universe, but it still nice to feel that little glimmer of wonder once again.
Just an FYI the Balin who’s a member of the Company is the same Balin whose tomb the Fellowship finds in Moria.
I get people ot liking them making three movies out of one book
But going to see these movies over Christmas in 2012, 2013 and 2014 are probably some of my favorite memories
I don't know if you all know this but, the Shire was a genuine set, and is still there today!!!!
The Hobbit book was a single story. The Lord of the Rings were a trilogy of BIG books. The adaptations to film involved the LOTR story being trimmed down significantly. The Hobbit was added to to make a trilogy. Lots of stuff in The Hobbit are made up out of whole cloth.
I heard originally lotr was one book -to rule them all- as well, but it was a book of such impressive size that publishers asked Tolkien to split it into three
@@deptusmechanikus7362 I seem to remember that myself. I have had a literal three books in one copy and it is a brick!
Not sure if anyone else said it yet, but you have seen some of these dwarfs before. Dwalin, Dori, Nori, Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur were in the Mines of Moria in The Fellowship of the Ring
Vicky, I don't know if you'll see this comment but here goes: I've had a dreadful day (and a dreadful year) but I'm always cheered up by watching your videos. Thank you.
The line "In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty wer hole with the ends of worms and an oozy smell. It was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort." is how The Hobbit book starts, though with the narration skipped in the movie "...and an oozy smell, not yet a dry, bare, sande hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat". "Good food, a warm hearth and the comforts of home." is added in the movie, though.
VKunia you should definitely watch the Battle of the Five Armies in 2 parts. It’s one of those movies that require 2 parts to fully enjoy it. I can’t wait to watch the rest of the trilogy with you 😊 I love this trilogy despite all the hate it gets
The Hobbit films, for all their runtime, definitely censored some stuff from the book. For the instance, in the book, when Gandalf and the Dwarves are at Bilbo's house, they have a session and get stoned, not drunk.
Whether you enjoy it or not, your enthusiasm is truly enough to make me grateful for these movies. Thank you for delving in further and I hope you enjoy the experience.
one reason you may have for difficulty distinguishing Dwarves from each other is there's one element largely missing in a film compared to a book - their names. not only do we read each Dwarf's name over & over, we're also reminded that these are groups of brothers: Dwalin & Balin, Kili & Fili, Dori, Nori & Ori, Oin & Gloin, Bifur, Bofur & Bombur, and Thorin who was an only child. similar names always indicate close kinship: Aragorn son of Arathorn, Faramir & Boromir.
Actually, it WAS Tolkien for kids. He wrote it that way, long before he ever knew what Gollum’s ring would turn out to be.
That’s why the book was only two hundred pages long, unlike the thousand-page epic that actually could fill three entire movies without insultingly goofy screenwriter padding.
But this is just the first movie….You have been warned. 😨
Cardinal Cut for the win! Remove all the superfluous fluff!
@@brucemaximus3797 Cut out Doctor Who With Bird Poop, who wasn’t even IN the book, except for an offscreen one-sentence reference!
Nah, Chris Hartwell's version is where its at.
@Raylan Givens which hasn’t even come out yet 🤦♂️ seems like toxic fans will slate things the haven’t even seen yet nowadays. How embarrassing.
@@ruarikelsey1793 gl with that amazon s*it, i just saw their Galadriel and read about how they ruin her and its enough for me..
as you've watched LOTR already you've seen two references to this event. first at Bilbo's party when he told the story to a group of Hobbit children & once on the road to Rivendell when they briefly stopped at the site after Frodo was stabbed with the Morgul blade.
Glad you are watching this trilogy. It lived up to the more kid friendly book. Also can finally see Gandalf being a wizard.
Not the last movie. That movie is rated R
Gandalf is a wizard in every movie. WTF?
@@TheWiseMysticalTree What are you talking about?! All three are PG-13.
@@bigdream_dreambig the extended edition of The Battle of the Five Armies is rated R for some reason idk it’s just what the DVD box says and the internet
@@TheWiseMysticalTree Interesting. The theatrical release was PG-13.
The whole part with Bilbo and Gollum was shot within the first week of The Hobbit shooting with Andy Serkis donning a mo-cap suit and facial camera to both film and to motion capture Gollum's movements at the same time (which wasn't possible during The Lord of the Rings except for when they experimented with doing filming with mo-cap on the pickups for The Return of the King to save time, skipping the need to film the scenes once then redo them in the motion capture sage, which takes time in post production). Once the filming of the Misty Mountain tunnels were done, Andy Serkis started his role as a second unit director and the scenes at Bag End with Bilbo and the dwarves started.
One thing you need to know going into this is that this went through development hell between switching directors, added filler and fan service that wasn’t in the book, Warner Bros wanting it to be a trilogy despite The Hobbit not having enough material for it, and the heavy reliance on CGI due to type of camera used. The tone is also much different to the LOTR due to it being a children’s book of a more whimsical fantasy tone which is still being taught to kids today to stretch their literacy skills. Tolkien then revised parts of the book for future editions so it would be part of the larger LOTR universe, which it wasn’t originally a part of during its creation and first edition release.
The ring didn't luck its way onto Bilbo's finger. ..it has a will of its own. The ring wanted to leave the cave because it had been trapped with Gollum for centuries and saw Bilbo as good vehicle to ride out.
The ring was content with Gollum all those years, largely inert. It only stirred and began to move away from Gollum because the spirit of Sauron was gaining strength again as the Necromancer. It could sense the return of its master and began to try and return to him.
One of my most favorite trilogies. I've watched it many times. Don't let other people's opinions ruin it for ya. 😄
The Man in the Moon song that Bofur sings is from The Fellowship of the Ring book which Frodo sings at the Dancing Pony (in order to distract people from Pippin who was about to tell about what happened at Bilbo's Birthday Party) and it was a song that Bilbo came up with (and was very rpoud of). The notion is that either Bilbo came up with the song and taught it to Bofur or Bofur came up with it and taught it to Bilbo (though to be more true to the books, I'd say the former). The song is actually an extended edition of the nursery rhyme Hey Diddle Diddle which have the cat playing the fiddle and the cow that jumped over the moon.
I mean it is a children's book meant to be told as such. The studio f-ed up the marketing and tried to turn it into something that it isn't.
@32:06 that monologue about keeping the Darkness at Bay through everyday Deeds is a direct quote from JRR Tolkien and straight out of the book
Keep watching the extended version, was missing a lot in the theatrical version. (more backstory than visuals). Stay safe on your journey!
Balin, the older Dwarf with the white hair and beard, is the Dwarf who’s stone coffin is in Moria in the Lord of the Rings, when the Fellowship get attacked by the hundreds of orcs and trolls after Pippin knocks the skeleton down the well shaft, before the Balrog appears.
After the events of the Hobbit, once The mountain is reclaimed, he heads to Moria with a number of other dwarves to try to reclaim that too… ultimately, he failed, and was killed.
I honestly love these movies a lot just brought back so much nostalgia for me and I love Gandalf soo much.. I really really love Galadriel she’s amazing… and I’m excited about the rings of power starting in September
People were actually requesting this?!
He should look like Pippin. They would be cousins. Bilbo's Mother was a Took.
Going to Poland will probably do you well. Get back to your roots. It's one half of mine and is on my bucket list. I've only been to Puerto Rico. I still wish to visit Spain and Poland.
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The movie Warcraft sympathizes with Orcs very well. It's a great movie to watch. Kind of like a discount Lord of the Rings.
Warcraft was much better than I expected.
Warcraft was only good when it was focusing on the Orcs. The rest of it just felt... odd, to me.
Well, their story is quite sad. If you/anyone else doesn't known their backstory, then i'd recommend reading Rise of the Horde. Spoilers down below
They orcs start out very similar to Native American Indians in that they tend to prefer shamanism and have a love and respect for nature before one of the Shaman's named Ner'zhul is promised power by a great demonlord. Afterwards he sells out the entire orc race along with his apprentice Gul'dan. They drink the demon Mannoroth's blood which turns them into raging monsters, but 1 orc warchief refused e.g. Durotan and his wife Draka. When the demonic magics suck the life out of Draenor and threaten the orcs with extinction, they open a portal to Azeroth helped by Medivh (who is possessed by the dark Titan Sargeras) and thus starts the first invasion of Azeroth
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IMHO I think the movie portrayed this story very well.
@@Eidlones I had always been a big "for the Horde!" player, so of course I loved the orc parts of the film- the odd thing was that the movie finally got me interested in the human/alliance side of things. One of my favorite actors played one of the major human characters though, so perhaps that helped. ;)
It's a story that he wrote for children and he later revised it to make it the prologue for Lord of the Rings. I can appreciate the pains that Jackson and team had to go to to merge the two stories as The Hobbit is definitely packed with more old-school fable/fairie-tale elements than is LotR. I myself struggle with many moments in the trilogy, but I also love the beauty of it, especially the imagery of the first movie and the introduction to Smaug in the second. The introductory story narrated by Bilbo still gives me chills, absolutely gorgeous.
The individual dwarves (or at least some of them) come through in the later movies. I think most of the criticism of these movies is they were bloated with material not in the Hobbit.
If they'd just stuck to the book, it would've been 1 short fim
I wish they had only made one film. I did not like the bloated films. There are some great scenes but overall not that great all together.
@@johnglue1744 You realize that 95% of the movies are actually canon to the lore right?
Not only would it need to tie in to the LOTR because its a prequel, but it would also need time to make Thorin and Bilbo well developed characters as well as give personality and development to the *twelve* other dwarves this journey takes place with. As well as do justice to everyone they meet during the adventure. Then it would need to do the relevant world building and give the relevant context to what takes place during the story.
How in the hell do you expect this to be possible with just one movie? Or two for that matter?
@@Morten_Storvik Solely going off the content of The Hobbit book is not enough for three films. Odd how each of the LOTR books only got one movie each yet the shortest book, The Hobbit got three films itself. Peter Jackson tried to jam in as much stuff as possible which turned into a bloated mess.
@@Morten_Storvik This could have been done in two films and it would structurally make more sense. Instead they stretched it out and added way too much rather than establishing characters and using time efficiently.
Balin and Dwalin's headbutting comes from The Lord of the RIngs shooting where Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn) had the strange habit to heabutt people as a way to greet his fellow cast member and stunt performers such as Sala Baker (Sauron's body, Man-Flesh Uruk and several orcs and Uruk Hai) and even made him headbutt Orlando Bloom (Legolas) who saw a white light for a couple of seconds. On his last day of shooting pickups for Return of the King, he couldn't hep to headbutt all the stunties as a way to say goodbye.
Saw the thumbnail. "LotR for kids?" yes absolutely! My dad used to read the Hobbit to me when I was little. LotR is largely considered cooler because it's targeted to a slightly older audience. They should've adapted Hobbit to film before LotR.
I think if they'd done that less people would have watched lotr, thinking it was much the same kind of thing
I agree with this. Not being a fan of the Harry Potter series at all... but I believe they have had a much more natural growth to their movies. Audiences literally grew up and matured with them.
Dats wholesome as fack
8:51 I really want to go to Hobbiton when they have big feasts like that. I think they do them every year for Bilbo's birthday. I've been to Hobbiton but only on a tour so I didn't have much time to actually sit back and relax there.
Don't care how anybody else feels about this trilogy, i really enjoyed them, i've watched them quite a few times with my family. I heard there was a bit of a messy production to these though, and that peter jackson was called din at the last minute after other people quit.
The other director was fired because the studio didn't like the tone he was aiming for. The director was G. del Toro who has won multiple Oscars for his dark fantasy stories. Dang fools.
@@Renoistic oh really!, yeah I know that guy. That would have been interesting to see happen.
5:45 "[Bilbo] looks like Pippin!"
Well, funnily enough, they're both descended from the Took family. So, appropriate.
I'm one of those people who enjoyed this trilogy regardless of its differences from the source material. I have the books myself and I'm currently reading them; the book is better in some ways but I appreciate some of the liberties the films here took as well, such as giving Azog a bigger role than being just a footnote in Moria's history.
While not as great as LOTR, there are some amazing performances in these films particularly Richard Armitage as Thorin and Martin Freeman as young Bilbo
The Brown Wizard is played by Sylvester McCoy. He is the 7th Doctor from Doctor Who, one of my favorite classic Doctors. In the show he dressed like a cross between the Penguin and the Riddler. He was awesome as The Doctor.
I can’t believe you’re starting The Hobbit journey. This is amazing! I hear the ballad of Bilbo Baggins by Leonard Nimoy in my head!
A good friend of mine went to Poland to stay for a while and to learn the language. She still speaks about it 15 years later. Have at it, girl, and bring back some stories.
I laughed way to hard at "he's no longer a leftie". That's some prime battlefield smack talk.
The thrush is showing them where the secret door is. Tolkien wrote "The Hobbit" for his children. It was so popular with adults, he wrote LOTR with adults in mind.
I heard Peter Dinklage was offered to play one of the Dwarfs but turned it down because he didn't like playing the stereo-typical dwarf in fantasy.
This scenario happened before Game of Thrones was adapted by HBO.
And after he played a fairly stereotypical Dwarf in The Chronicles Of Narnia.
@@jeremyfrost2636 he did?
@@theawesomeman9821 He was Trumpkin in the second movie.
@@jeremyfrost2636 thanks for the info
@@theawesomeman9821 Any time.
There's like a spin off somewhere of the back story of Smaug.. Where they told us the dwarves stole the gold from Smaug parents many years ago and killed them along with his siblings, and that's why Thorin's grandfather became obsessed with the gold, cause it was dragon gold
"The Hobbit"films, I actually enjoy, even if I have a few misgivings about how much it tries to tie things to LOTR(some of the stuff involved such as Gandalf finding the Key, etc; and his reasons for joining the dwarf quest.)
The Five Wizards, by Tolkiens notes, are pretty much angels given human form(at least in Tolkiens world), sent to guide and help the different peoples of Middle Earth. Saruman, as we see, loses his way and gains a mind of metal and wheels, caring only for power. Radagast loses himself in nature. The two Blue Wizards(Allatar and Pallando)disappear into the East and begin cults of magic. Of the Five, only Gandalf truly stays to the quest, with his decision to help the dwarves being one of caution, as he says(since Smaug, as the last of the Great Worms, is such a dangerous enemy if he sides with orcs or others.)
The trolls don't rise again, they turn to stone forever(in "Fellowship of the Ring"directors cut, Sam even points them out when Frodo is turning into a wraith after the Witch King stabs him(and Bilbo tells the story to the Hobbit kids at his birthday party.)
Radagast mentions Ungoliant when he says the spiders are their spawn. Ungoliant was a massive spider who was so dangerous, she had to be driven off by Balrogs when she attempted to eat the kill the first Dark Lord(Morgoth, Saurons predecessor.)
Thrains Ring is one of the Seven Dwarf Rings of Power, as you may have guessed. I always loved the part of the mythos that the dwarves couldn't be controlled by Sauron, simply because they were so damn stubborn(however, they were made more greedy by Saurons manipulations.)
At this point, Saruman has not yet fallen to evil, but he was seeking the Ring of Power after Isildur lost it in the Anduin River(when he was killed), believing he could control it.
When Gollum drops the ring, it even falls the same way it does in the prologue of "LOTR"(though they did change things up, since it wasn't Ian Holm this time picking it up.)
Remember that Gollum is tortured and reveals his last name and where he is, which leads to the Nazgul trying to track the Ring there.
I absolutely LOVE the shot when Bilbo says "I want to play", as Gollum turns his face down into the shadows and he raises his face again to reveal Smeagol's more playful one(you can tell them apart by their pupil dilation. Smeagols are more big, round and innocent, Gollum's pupils are smaller and more sinister.
The shot of Bilbo realizing he pities Gollum as the "Shire"theme plays always gives me chills. Also the line "Curse it and crush it! WE HATES IT FOREVERRRRR!"
The shot of Smaug waking up always gives me chills too. But imagine being me and having to wait a year between the movie releases!
Dont you think it a bit silly to have a problem with the *prequel* tying in to the *sequel* ? That`s kind of the point.
the rabbits are a Jackson thing, there's no rabbits pulling a sled in the book. apparently somebody in production saw a TV show about this huge breed of rabbits & was inspired.
I love the Hobbit movies. It's an interesting prequel trilogy to the Lord of the Rings franchise.
regardless of how people feel about the films, the book is an absolute classic for a reason. reading it to my daughter already.
Duncan Jones' "World of Warcraft" movie is sympathetic to Orcs, at least so far as showing that they're no worse than any other people even if they're still the movie's bad guys.
They are tottaly diffrent race. Only ,,Orc" word is similar
Hello there VKunia. Tolkien wrote the start of Middle-Earth (The Silmarillion) in the trenches during WW1. He wrote his first line of The Hobbit on an exam paper when he was professor of Anglo-Saxon languages at Oxford and continued the story. Everyone loved it so much and encouraged Tolkien to write a sequel. The Silmarillion in his head, The Hobbit edited... The Lord of The Rings was just some time away.
Elen Silã Lümenn Omentièlvo, May a star shine upon the hour of our meeting. Namarië.
Hello there Vkunia. I didn't expect to win something. I'm from Belgium. I dunno you ship to my country but perhaps you could appoint somebody else? Hugz
The Hobbit Trilogy was awesome. I'll never understand those who say they didn't like it. Seriously...
For most, the general issue is that it should have been two movies instead of three. The Hobbit is a much shorter story than LOTR, so many felt that it went on a bit too much than it needed to.
In fact, having two films was the original idea, back when Del Toro was the original director for the films. Del Toro wanted to make something that respected and honored Tolkien’s work, much like Peter Jackson did, and would have used his usual creative designs for the film. But the Warner heads wanted to rush Del Toro, which caused Del Toro to leave the production. This is when Jackson was brought back in, and the idea for three films started up.
Now, given more time, I don’t doubt that Peter Jackson could have given a Hobbit trilogy that could have stood better alongside the LOTR trilogy. But like with Del Toro, Jackson was rushed by the studio heads, so there wasn’t enough time to properly perfect everything to the best that he could.
@@jaydonmagan4694 i think the bigger beef is how much the story was changed and added on from the book. they could've made a perfectly loyal 3 movies with every little detail from the book in them while enriching the story, but instead force-fed us a dwarf-elf limerence triangle, as is the way of Hollywood, and completely against the lore of Tolkien. and brought back Azog for no reason. they could've just used Bolg who was already featured in the book and let Azog stay dead as he was. who the heck was Alfrid supposed to be? and i'm also sad they decided against giving each of the dwarves a bigger role, as they'd apparently originally intended. it could've really improved them from the book. so many lost opportunities, so much nonsense..
@@Pearleace I’m not really against them deciding to have Azog as the main Orc antagonist for the films. I’m even pretty sure that Azog was brought on as the antagonist back when Del Toro was working as the director.
Yes, they could have had Bolg as the antagonist, seeking revenge for Azog’s death at the hands of Thorin, but I don’t see Azog’s inevitable role in the trilogy as anything that harms those films. As far as I can recollect about the differences between Azog from the books and Azog from the movies is that Azog leads the orc pack instead of Bolg in the movies, and has a personal vendetta against Thorin. If Azog hunting down the Company was the only major change from the books that they had for the movies, I don’t think it’d have been anything too egregious; especially when you compare that change from the books to the more major changes that the Hobbit trilogy ended up making.
Watched this in the theatre in Real 3D. You swore you were standing right next to the camera, watching the performances. When they passed food across, you swore you could grab a piece for yourself. was shot at 36 frames per second, instead of 24. this starts to fake you out, as your eyes are seeing closer to how we normally see in 48 'frames' per second, information wise. Was terrific!
LotR: 10/10/10
Hobbit: 7/6/3
•Sir Ian Holm, RIP!
•... pride, honor, respect, etc...
•The Dwarves have a history of amassing troves of treasure so great, it attracted Dragons. However, part of this was also because of Sauron and the 7 rings of power given to the Dwarf Lords. The rings are what increased the Dwarves love of gold.
•The Arkenstone is a jewel, not an egg.
•Tolkien took inspiration from the Jewish diaspora when writing the Dwarves and the exile from their homelands.
•"In a hole in the ground, there lived a Hobbit." - the very first line Tolkien wrote and it was on the back of a student's term paper that he was grading.
•One of the problems this trilogy did not have was its casting. Martin Freeman was great as Bilbo.
•You can go to New Zealand and visit the Hobbit holes. They kept them up as a tourist attraction. Bucket List Item
•Think of the Dwarves as Scots; they're sarcastic and great fighters, but a nice people.
•So of the 13 Dwarves of Thorin and Company, you have Thorin Oakenshield, son of Thrain, King Under the Mountain-in-Exile and Lord of Ered Luin, Kili and Fili, sons of Dis (Thorin's sister), Balin and Dwalin, sons of Fundin, Dori, Nori, and their cousin Ori, Oin and Gloin, sons of Groin (Gloin is Gimli's father. Gimli was deemed too young for this quest as he was in his 60s) and Bofur, Bombur, and their cousin Bifur.
•Prior to Merry and Pippin drinking the ent draught, Bullroarer Took was the tallest Hobbit in history at 4 ft. 5 in.
•Culture Shock is real, but passes quickly. One should leave one's comfort zone and see the world, but then, one does not simply walk into Mordor (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself).
•It's probably more that Azog wanted to continue killing people, but his soldiers wanted to keep their commander alive. Think of the blood loss from losing an arm. Even so, in the book, Azog was killed by Dain Ironfoot, Thorin's cousin and the Lord of the Iron Hills, in this very battle.
•There is no greater sign of loyalty or endearment than to call a man your king ... and I'm an American.
•No, that's a warg. In the books and this trilogy, wargs resemble large wolves, while Peter Jackson gave them a more hyena-like appearance in The Lord of the Rings films.
•A common complaint of this trilogy was that, unlike The Lord of the Rings, there is a greater reliance on CGI for the orcs.
•Radagast uses rhosgobel rabbits, which are larger than regular rabbits.
•Nope, they're stuck as statues. Remember after Frodo was stabbed on Weathertop, Aragorn brought the Hobbits to that spot to find kingsfoil and Sam commented about finding "Mr. Bilbo's trolls."
•I have never loved or identified with the Dwarves more than "Where's the meat?!"
•Well part of that is because Elves do not age, the other part of that is I'm not sure Cate Blanchett ages. Some celebrities just seem to cheat aging.
•Saruman the White before his fall to the Dark Side (RIP, Sir Christopher Lee a.k.a. Count Dooku)
•"It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance." "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand."
•I believe adrenaline may play a part in how Bilbo can go up against wargs and orcs.
•The Hobbit was one book, but yes, Peter Jackson stretched it out into 3 films.
•In Tolkien's mythology, dragons were created by Melkor, the Dark Lord before Sauron. Dragons inherited greed and so hoard gold just because they can.
Another aspect of Bilbo and the Dwarves being unexpectedly great fighters for their size is that they are not human, and do not have the same strength as a human their size would. They're actually stronger than a human who is a foot or two taller than them would be.
Two observations: In theaters the 48fps presentation was highly distracting to down-right awful. And I can barely remember the plot points and characters of the Hobbit trilogy but almost all of the LoTR. The latter has so much more: richer characters, settings, character development, crucial plot points, lore, music, etc.
Naaah 48 was great, so smooth
I liked these films. Loved the designs of the world, female dwarves, and other species.
Appreciate that you didn't just rave about how great the movie was like many other reactors.
It's a fine trilogy, and would have done much better imo if it was released before LotR, but it's hard to measure up to perfection.
Lord of the Rings is hardly perfect..
@@Pearleace - Granted, but in my eyes, any complaints are minor nitpicks.
The movies may not have been completely true to the source material, but for a movie some changes are understandable and acceptable.
Or did you mean the books are hardly perfect?
Because I have more issues with Tolkien's work than Jackson's.
@@jowbloe3673 no, i definitely mean the movies. i don't like what they did with Frodo's and Faramir's characters, especially, and even Denethor, all for the sake of drama; it wasn't really needed.
@@Pearleace - It took me four viewings of the *Fellowship* before I accepted it, and it has now become what I consider the LotR to be.
Read the books just before the movies came out for the umpteenth time to reacquaint myself and realized that there were definitely things in the books I did not like either.
@@Pearleace - Agree about Denethor.
They did a *very* poor job of showing his corruption by Sauron through the palantír, in fact I don't think anything about that was mentioned or even alluded to.
He just came across as hindquarters, which was unfair to Denethor, but worked well enough for a movie imo.
When I was 24, I left my home in Canada and went to live and work in South Korea for a year, so I kind of know what you're feeling -- I'm sure you will have a blast, hopefully you are fluent in Polish!
I’m one of the few that really enjoyed this trilogy and kind of like it better than LOTR. Don’t get me wrong this is the worse trilogy but I much prefer Bilbo over Frodo and I just like the story/journey more. Still love LOTR and Middle Earth as a whole. I’m being optimistic for the tv show.
Same for me but I don't think that this is the worst trilogy
I'm with you, Mason.
I have no hope at all for the abomination that Bezos is foisting on us. Buuut
that's not a discussion for here
I also enjoyed this trilogy, and am optimistic for the TV show.
Love all your reviews and commentaries. Watching a lot of your older stuff to catch up. I hope to support you through Patreon soon. You are fun, funny, and amazing. Keep up the amazing content, VKunia 😁🥰
One of the highlights of An Unexpected Journey was the return of characters we met in Lord of the Rings. The nostalgia is enough to bring you to tears because it's like they never left.
for me its because it felt like the children adventure book that the book felt when I read it. sadly they decide to become a bit too serious and take too many liberties in the later movies...
@@danilooliveira6580 Still nowhere near the amount of liberties taken when they did "Rings of Power."
If you didn't know, when the Fellowship were in the mines of Moria, they came to the tomb of Gimli's uncle, Balin. That's the same Balin from here, the wise dwarf with the grey beard.
After the events of the Hobbit, he went to Moria to reclaim the mines, but was killed by orcs there, sadly.
This series turned me into a fantasy fanatic lol!!! Great storytelling and soundtrack!
And I can’t wait for you to watch the rest of the movies!!!
I'm glad you liked it! LOTR has definitely raised the bar for me for fantasy stuff! 😁😁
@@VKunia I loved The Hobbit so much! and you will too!
@@VKunia Fantasy movies that are at least on The Hobbit trilogy's level, if not quite LOTR level:
Harry Potter series
Chronicles Of Narnia series
The Mummy movies with Brendan Fraser
The Last Witch Hunter with Vin Diesel
Also, since you're a big character person a book recommendation: The Goblin Corps by Ari Marmell. Bonus: one of the main protagonists is a very sarcastic Orc named Craeosh. A language warning does apply though, several of the characters are fond of saying "fuck".
I'm glad they left it as child friendly as they could. When Tolkien first started his writing it was the Hobbit story, and it was stories told to his little ones. It's fitting
I definitely enjoyed the hobbit trilogy. It is great. Lord of the rings is better, but that doesn’t mean the hobbit is bad. Excited for you to finish this trilogy 😁
I have yet to see a reaction of someone who saw the Lord of the Rings trilogy that recognizes the name Balin, when he shows up. I saw The Hobbit the first time and was like: Balin, hey, I saw your grave in Moria. Seems that you were a likable guy.
Ironically for all the talk about the lack of character development in the Hobbit movies, movie Balin is more memorable to me than book Balin.
The one and done expectation going in makes sense because the Hobbit was ONE book while the Lord of the Rings was THREE books. So Hobbit tries to spread a single books worth of content over 3 movies. While LoTR tries to fit three books worth of content into 3 movies.
On not getting as invested it's because you have 12 fairly generic dwarves tagging along on an adventure with very little character development. Where as in Fellowship you have a bunch of different races, personalities, and backgrounds all bounces off each other for interesting interactions.
The Hobbit was also originally released as a bunch of short stories or weekly episodes so it's meant to be from one exciting encounter to the next. Basically think weekly comics in the newspaper that were later compiled into a single book. Thus a lot of it lacks the polish of the Lord of the Rings. Them tring to pad it out over 3 movies is what highlights the cracks. I found many critics think it would have been better as 2 movies by cutting out a lot of filler and shorting a few things like the last movie which is basically just a single long battle scene.
I was introduced to The Hobbit by my 5th grade English teacher. She read a couple chapters to the class. I loved it and read the rest of the book. It was my first introduction to Fantasy. It just happens Star Wars was released the summer between 4th & 5th grade. Been reading Sci-Fi & Fantasy since.
You had to get through this movie to get to the next 2, which are actually a lot of fun. Great for you for watching the extended versions!! They put A TON of extra important scenes in them!! It makes all the difference just as they did with LoTR.
Nothing in either trilogy is important, extended edition or not.
This is the best of the three by far.
@@Nemophilist850 really? I thought it was the worst of the 3.
This was my favorite of The Hobbit movies.
@@aceldamia9114 What is this, movie nihilism?
The Hobbit was a children's book when it came out at the time. The Lord of The Rings was written in the 1950s and was a matured tone almost like it was intended to grow-up with the kids who read The Hobbit in the 1930s.