Dude I feel like I’m one of the few younger guys who run a long backend. I run the federal Lacey frame which has a 13.75 backend. Short backends suck:/
13.5" is still a short rear-end. I remember when even 13.75" was short because everyone else was riding that or 14.25"+ You can still manual very easily on a 13.75-13.50" CS length and it has just gotten shorter and shorter over the years because people gotten lazier and thought would make for easier manuals. Same goes for HT angles of 74°, 74.5°, 75°,75.5°.
Riding has progressed, people haven't gotten lazier. That's such an idiotic take. The level of street riding has absolutely blown up since sub 13" back ends have become the norm. You're just an old head who thinks all of the riders from your day were better than the riders of today which isn't the case. I can't stand salty old heads ragging on new generations
@@jarretkahle depends on your riding style. It's ignorant to think that there's such a thing as objective perfection when it comes to bike geometry. Something that feels perfect for you will feel terrible for the next dude and vice versa. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a preference but saying that any length change the is perfect is just narrow-minded
just sayin for the ppl out there who run a mans gear an dont want do to do the math , i have 13.5 fits a 30/9 ratio with no tensioners needed , go preach somewhere else 😂
Best grips ever, cant emphasize that enough. The dual compound idea works perfectly. They are nice and soft but they lock tight to the bar. I cant stand throttle grip. ;)
Wait my motorbike knowledge can help me here 😂Shorter stem reduces offset, which leads to increased trail. Which makes the steering more stable. Similar deal to having a longer back end, it just gives more confidence on the front end. While still having the steep head angle to still be agile.
@@jarretkahle Is that for the whole bike or just the frame? All i know is that the Soundwave and the Nightshift frames are 41 Thermal with a lifetime warranty, i would have thought that the Wavelength frame would be aswell 'cos it's Gary's signature frame, but i'm not actually sure on that, i was just guessing it would be. I ride the Nightshift frame, shorter backend at 13", it's a amazing frame.
@@jarretkahle I just looked on Source BMX website, it's not heat treated, which is surprising, it's just a 4130 chromoly frame. It is cheaper than other Sunday aftermarket frames tho.
I've had my Soundwave complete since 2020 and haven't broken anything on it yet. Love it. This bike also looks to be high end, but just too long for me. I enjoy more street.
Trails and race geometry is best. 21 TT and at least 14 rear. Don't hit ur knees and better manuals. 74.5 headtube. But Ti and carbon everywhere u can.
Stoked for the new frame. Hope the tide of short rear ends is receding...
Dude I feel like I’m one of the few younger guys who run a long backend. I run the federal Lacey frame which has a 13.75 backend. Short backends suck:/
What a great guy... seems like a great asset for his team and sponsors
So rad, Gary is such an awesome guy and an absolutely incredible bike rider! Respect 🙏❤️
Great guy! Fun to hear his thoughts on the new bike. I liked the one last year too.
Gary is my fav. the reaction to the documentary hits
Dude amen to the little Allen key so aggravating lol
Gary throwing it down better than ever
I love Gary Young.
Gary is the best
Bmx fountain of youth
People should try plastic pegs on the front, steel on the back. Fun combo.
🤔
Or plastic pegs all around to make the skaters happy?
13.5" is still a short rear-end. I remember when even 13.75" was short because everyone else was riding that or 14.25"+ You can still manual very easily on a 13.75-13.50" CS length and it has just gotten shorter and shorter over the years because people gotten lazier and thought would make for easier manuals. Same goes for HT angles of 74°, 74.5°, 75°,75.5°.
Riding has progressed, people haven't gotten lazier. That's such an idiotic take. The level of street riding has absolutely blown up since sub 13" back ends have become the norm. You're just an old head who thinks all of the riders from your day were better than the riders of today which isn't the case. I can't stand salty old heads ragging on new generations
13.5 is perfect for 30 / 9 no chain slack
@@jarretkahle depends on your riding style. It's ignorant to think that there's such a thing as objective perfection when it comes to bike geometry. Something that feels perfect for you will feel terrible for the next dude and vice versa. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a preference but saying that any length change the is perfect is just narrow-minded
just sayin for the ppl out there who run a mans gear an dont want do to do the math , i have 13.5 fits a 30/9 ratio with no tensioners needed , go preach somewhere else 😂
He really old school ahahhaah I remember much well hug Gary Young
Best grips ever, cant emphasize that enough. The dual compound idea works perfectly. They are nice and soft but they lock tight to the bar. I cant stand throttle grip. ;)
Odi the best
Agreed. 13.8 is to short imo. Race frame geometry is best. My foot hits the rear peg on short frames and it loops out too easy.
I can't run a right rear peg for that exact reason. My foot hits every time and being left foot forward it gets bothersome fast
Wait my motorbike knowledge can help me here 😂Shorter stem reduces offset, which leads to increased trail. Which makes the steering more stable. Similar deal to having a longer back end, it just gives more confidence on the front end. While still having the steep head angle to still be agile.
man you ride very similar set up to me 21.25 massive arse / chain stay and I ride 30 to 9 do break light speed
God speed dude
is it heat treated ?
Hell yeah. 41 thermal heat treated, lifetime warranty.
it doesnt say heat treated or lifetime on the sunday site
@@jarretkahle Is that for the whole bike or just the frame? All i know is that the Soundwave and the Nightshift frames are 41 Thermal with a lifetime warranty, i would have thought that the Wavelength frame would be aswell 'cos it's Gary's signature frame, but i'm not actually sure on that, i was just guessing it would be.
I ride the Nightshift frame, shorter backend at 13", it's a amazing frame.
@@jarretkahle I just looked on Source BMX website, it's not heat treated, which is surprising, it's just a 4130 chromoly frame. It is cheaper than other Sunday aftermarket frames tho.
i like the spec of the wave length but it should be heat treated maybe it is ? who knows
what size is his sprocket?
Cool Video. ......sunday Frames Made in China???
Nice time from germany.
(56years oldschool bmx driver)
I've had my Soundwave complete since 2020 and haven't broken anything on it yet. Love it. This bike also looks to be high end, but just too long for me. I enjoy more street.
anybody else notice that his tires are mounted on backwards?
Trails and race geometry is best. 21 TT and at least 14 rear. Don't hit ur knees and better manuals. 74.5 headtube. But Ti and carbon everywhere u can.
Os caras sao pro e montão os pneus tudo errado. Não entendo essas coisas
R32's are the best forks of all time
Built for speed? If that were true then your front sprocket should be a 44 tooth... And the rear a 16 tooth
When you find out it's the same gear ratio just heavier and weaker...
@@jluo I wonder what would happen if I put a 44 tooth sprocket with a 9 tooth rear lol
44/16 = 2.75
30/9 = 3.33
But yes, I do agree the 30/9 is preferable for weight and strength
@@frankcastle3827 all the speed lol
@@davidolyott5503 oh I got the gearing info for that but I'm curious to try a 44 with a 9 gear lol
Oh, you can still do it without the sponsors. You just have to pay for everything like the rest of us.