1920's Hebdomas 8 jours Service and TLC
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- This time we're servicing an old pocket watch, an Hebdomas 8-day watch from around 1920. A very different beast, we look at how this watch can run for 8 days but first we see if we can make it run at all!
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I imagine finding a new face is next to impossible...too bad, that would make this watch epic. I love the looks of it. Even after watching way too many videos, it still amazes me how exacting making one of these gems is. The hairsprings on the balance still strike me as magic. Another great video!!!!
I have a Hebdomas Pocket watch from the early 1930's. Was given to me as a gift, since I love wrist watches and tinker a lot with them. It's absolutely stunning and looks near new.. very well looked after and really is much more attractive than the Omega watches of the same era. The dial's are a work of art.
Thank you for sharing this. I've only discovered your channel and really enjoy watching and listening to you work.
My favorite part of putting a movement back together seeing the balance oscillating after you have it together. Great video.
Your explanation and fixing of the beat error and the angle made me just that much smarter today. I thank you for that.
Thanks Robert, that's great to hear!
"With that crisis of masculinity averted" had to be one of the best lines I've heard on RUclips. Thank you for that.
😁 Thanks so much, Chester, that's great to hear! My wife knows I'm an idiot, and I'm not trying to hide it.
Another polish "service"k wenever see any repair on these videos...
so you buy a broken polished watch
Once again, you fulfilled the BBC's original brief - To inform, educate, and entertain. The clip of 'Car Wash' was completely unnecessary, and therefore, perfect! Thank you Stian for brightening our days.
😁 Thanks for watching!
Fantastic. I studied your video before attempting a service on my Hebdomas. It is now running a treat. Thank you.
I’ve never seen a pocket watch like this.
Quite beautiful & interesting 👍🏾
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Excellent pace and logical treatment are the hallmarks of a well-crafted tutorial. Your narrative evokes the calm necessary to allow the process to be relaxed and enjoyable. Much better than an obligatory task one would rather relegate than perform personally. Your sincere enjoyment draws the viewer/listener into the linear journey of tear-down and rebuild almost seamlessly and engagingly, too. I found it especially helpful that you noted peculiarities of this model's design features. Those little unknowns are often what turns a fun project into a hair-pulling nightmare needlessly.
Always learn something when I see someone so engaged in making it super user friendly info.
Mike Kirwan - Kenmore, WA
Wow, thanks so much for that, Mike, very much appreciated. There are certainly more skilled and more knowledgeable watchmakers out there, and I'm always trying to improve also. Comments like this make it that much more inspiring!
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Best regards,
Stian
Thank you so much for introducing me to this amazing watch. I'm now hooked on them. I am collecting bits and pieces of them and hoping to assemble one, one fine day.
Great to hear! :)
That watch cleaned up well. The TLC you gave had her running like a champ. Outstanding work Boss 🫡🤝
Thanks! 👍
Thank you so much for this video. I have three of these pocket watches but was never clear about taking it apart correctly. Thanks to you I should have them all restored soon.
Great to hear! Just make sure you let the mainspring all the way down and be very careful when taking the barrel off, as the mainspring is very strong. Good luck!
Pink is said to be a color that reduces aggression. Maybe they intended to make watchmakers extra cautious with the largest screwdriver.
Wonderful. What a beautiful piece that is. Congrats on restoring it to function again. Always great to have a heritage piece functioning as it should. I'm sure the owner is quite pleased. Excellent. !
I enjoy your commentary with the humor! Makes for a fun project! Nicely finished work!
This video is just what I needed! I'm used to Elgins and Walthams, but recently acquired one of these 8 day watches. it's running, but not well. I went to clean and oil it and realized I didn't have a clue about how it was put together. Thanks!
That is very cool to hear! Best of luck :)
Oh my goodness - your dry sense of humor is so great. Love it!😃
Thank you!
Beautiful vintage watch and great job on the restore. Too bad about the dinger on the side of the case. A few round tip punches and soft hammer taps could bring that right out too. The is quite a unique watch. Beautiful!
Lovely watch and great work.. if people like you are not there, those watches wouldn't see a new tomorrow. Hebdomas, the watch & the owner should be grateful to you! - thanks for all the great work Stian!!. I really want to find a watch worthy of you to work one day, hopefully!
Thanks, Eshwar :)
hard to imagine the tooling and production of those tiny screws during that time period
This was easily the most LOL-worthy video I've watched in your collection. I have to stop myself several times from guffawing as I was watching this at 2 AM. I resisted the urge to lick my elbow.
Nah, I'm pretty sure you tried and failed.
Excellent to see you do this particular watch
Thanks for watching! It's nice to work on something different sometimes :)
Thats one fascinating pocket watch.
Love your sense of humour.
I'm sorry to hear that, Paul 😂
Beautiful watch and some very funny commentary. Thank-you
Glad you enjoyed it, Susan :)
Amazing pocket watch and video! And the deep wonderful thing that 100 years ago every single piece of that lovely thing is FULLY HAND mada. Every single thing. Is incredible how precise our hands can be :)
Thank you for sharing the PASSION :)
many wishes for a merry christmas!
I love the dial and the green indices
Thanks for watching, David and it's a lovely old piece indeed!
What a beautiful watch. That dial is stunning even with the crack in it. I became really interested in watches when I replaced the battery in my Lorus which seemed to be eating batteries. I've given up with it now and I'm wearing a ladies skeleton mechanical/automatic watch which my son bought me for Mother's Day. I'm hoping to try/learn watch repair myself once I can gather some of the tools required. I've decided not to bother with cheap tools but start collecting good quality tools. Oh, as a lady, I'd call the screwdriver pink. Salmon is what I eat 😄
That's very cool to hear, thanks for sharing! There are a lot of nice RUclips watch repair channels out there, probably the best for learning is the one simply called the Watch Repair channel :)
This is the first time coming to your channel. Very interesting watch and repairs, and I like your dry sense of humor and your narration. Your voice is very pleasant to listen to.
Subscribed!
Welcome, Erik!
Great job, I love pocket watches my father had one and he was very proud of it.
Pocket watches were my first love, actually. I was like 13 or that age and fancied walking around 😉with a pocket watch. And no, I'm not so old that that would be a common thing
Nice! I really like your channel -- you explain the issues and solutions. Thanks!
Working on a quartz movement thump thump .....great joy
*What you refer as 'luck' in your workmanship, when things go exceptionally well--is in reality your skill as a watchmaker.* *Smiles*
Thanks :)
1 2 3 5 , something that i was looking for in this video !!!
BEAUTIFUL
I love pocket watches, so beautiful. Lovely work
Thank you so much, Rachel! There'll be a couple coming up in the near future, so stay tuned :)
What a beautiful old watch.
Thanks Maurice! This is indeed a special watch, very nice to look at.
Thanks and again a great stream.
Now I have to try to adjust the beat error on the watch I working with.
👍 Good luck and be very careful!
Subscribed, because of your professionalism and humor
Thanks for that, Nicholas! More to come :)
What a nice watch, I don't know much in time keeping pieces, but when you reinstall the main spring in its barrel, weren't you supposed not to touch it with your bare fingers ??
Thank you for showing you art and patience on vintage movements.
Thanks for watching, and yes, it is indeed better not to use your bare fingers :)
I actually worked on one quartz movement, on a Linden kitchen clock. It had a wire broken on one end of the coil bobbin. I was able to fix it with a very thin wire and some solder.
Nice work!
I have two of these watches in my collection. I like them. Pocket watches are my thing.
There are some fabulous pocket watches out there indeed! I'll feature a few more in not long :)
Great job, its very intersting seing you solving problems one after the other! I own a Breguet hebdomas and it works once in a while. it has some problems!
Hello Jaime, thanks for watching! It's indeed fun and very fulfilling to work on old watches and making them run :) The Hebdomas is not a complicated watch, so any watchmaker should be able to help you with it. I suppose you're based in Spain? Find a watchmaker that focuses on vintage watches and you should be fine.
@@VintageWatchServices This is still Portugal; Thanks for your answer!
Oops, Portugal of course! No offense intended 😂
Love the show, thank you
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel!
The owner should be very happy when he or she gets this back.
Thanks Harold, and he was. I sent him a link to the video and he loved seeing it :) It's something special when you see a watch your grandfather once had come back in running order.
It was very beautiful
Thanks Richard! It's a pretty special old watch :)
You messed me up with that scene from the movie car wash🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The pallet fork has a great deal of wobble, it seems to have elongated its upper pivot bearing by at least 80%. I only observed this, and know
very little about watches, and am curious about how far off tolerances can be without compromising accuracy?
Very good videos...well done
Thanks for watching! Yes, this watch has quite some wear and the ambition level was mostly to make it run again. The owner didn't want to spend a lot of money on it, and accuracy was never a goal :)
Excellent to see you do this particular watch. I have one to do so I can go ahead with it... so sorry about the psychologicals.
Thanks for watching and for your comment, John! Great to hear it might help you work your own watch :) Not sure what you mean about the psychologicals?
Great work liked how you kept tweaking the hairspring Colette.. patience psychologicals
Saw this video very late. But such a beautiful piece. The escapement on the dial side seemed to move in the opposite direction, but when you seen any wheel on the reverse side, it will be the opposite of what you saw first. I don't know the technical name for this.
Hello K, yes, the escape wheel turns in the "wrong" direction! It is due to the extra wheel that allows for the 8 day power reserve. They could of course have simply put the mainspring in the other way, but that's how they decide to do it :)
Nicely done mate. I appreciate your commentary - nice and clear. Keep up the good work
Much appreciated, thanks for your comment!
In the UK we say parts are as rare as "Hen's teeth", how many chickens have you seen with teeth 😂😂
É um grande relógeiro...sem sombras de dúvida!
Muito obrigado!
Lovely
Pink screwdrivers are awesome, I have a complete set, no one on the job side borrows or steals them🙂
😂👍
That's a beautiful pocket watch
Thanks Cody, it really is :) More to come, so stay tuned!
You are an artist!
Thanks so much, Jaime!
That spring looks like a monster
It's a gentle giant 😁
Spectacular video! Thoroughly enjoyable! Wonderful commentary! Subscribed! Thanks for sharing!!!
Awesome, thank you and welcome to the channel!
Interesting... Thank You !
Thanks for watching, Lon!
The name Hebdomas means a group of seven in Greek, and it was often used to refer to the end of a week, similar to the concept of the Sabbath.
Hi, nice watch and service, but curious why you did not straighten the hair spring? It looked like it was bent on the outer section, which would hit the 2nd ring every time it rotated, thus the irregular rotation and beat. Thanks.
Hi there, thanks for watching and for your question! I think the confusion might be because the hairspring has a Breguet overcoil? These hairsprings look bent when looking straight at them, as the last coil is bent upwards and inwards to make the hairspring develop more concentrically.
Very interesting, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! More to come, so stay tuned :)
One word beautiful wish it was mine.
Nice restoration. Do you think there's a way that the crack in the enamel could be cleaned somehow, so that it's not aged/yellow? I'm sure I read about denture cleaner for this, but that might sound a bit drastic.
Hello Mark, yes, you can use polident or similar. I don't remember exactly why I didn't use it but think maybe I was a bit worried about broken off pieces coming completely loose.
Hello. I have one of this that was from my grand grandfather. It is missing the hour and minute markers, but it still working. Do you know where i can find them?
Hello Roberto, if the markers on the watch are missing, it'll be next to impossible to replace them, I'm afraid. The only option would most likely be to replace the dial, which is something you wouldn't want to do unless really necessary.
Hi everybody am looking into getting one of them.what a good price for this 👍
The case screws go under the case lip on these?
Nice again! thank you!
Thank you too!
Thank You
You're welcome!
I wonder why you don't use evaporust or similar products to remove rust from steel parts.
If you don't mind sir were did you purchase those dial protective cases.
Hello Travis, I don't mind at all :) I bought mine at Cousinsuk.com, but pretty much any material house would have them. If you're in the US, ofrei, esslinger etc would also have them, I should think.
"Car Wash" Love the vid... Subbed.
Thanks! More to come, so stay tuned :)
Great education channel 👍
Thanks!
What is it called when it has those green circles going around it? I've been searching for a specific watch all over the internet. It also has those circles going around it, but a bigger circumference going along the watch. I believe it is a Waltham, but all I have to go by is a blurry picture. All help is appreciated! Thank you / Danke!
Hello Stephan, you can try to search for a cartouche dial. That would be the closest, I think.
Do you ever restore the old Bulova Accutrons......either the 214 or 218 movement?
Hello Jack, thanks for watching! No, I don't work on the Accutrons or other tuning fork watches. I don't have the equipment for testing and I prefer moving wheels :)
Thank you for your video. I will be attempting this in the near future. I can not find a replacement crystal. Could you provide the dimensions I would be looking for or a alternate watch crystal that is a suitable fit?
Thanks for watching! You need to measure the crystal and then order a new one ever so slightly bigger. E.g if you measure 42.0mm you should order 42.2 mm.
I have the same watch and I have been to a bunch of places to get it cleaned a d lubed but no one wants to work on it . Could you work on mine ?
Hello Eddie, you can send me a mail at stian@vintagewatchservices.eu, then we can see.
Dam, you caught me!! I really tried licking my elbow!!! Just to find out that it's really impossible!!
Loooool!!! :)
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Thanks and have certain Old in this choice boxe but heavy and two minutes and hour post together and second needle get small pot feeling like half kilo . will it was involved Old Era experience circle
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure I fully understand your question?
Great job,,,Great video
Thanks a lot, Greg 😊
Hi. What was it you used to polish the pivots? couldn't catch it :) inflex stick? Thank you
Hello Andrei, thanks for watching! I'm using an EVEFLEX stick.
Very well done sir. I really don't think pocket watches are "easier" especially very old movements can be way more tricky than a modern wrist movement 1/3 of the size or less...
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! Pocket watches with the Swiss lever escapement I think are mostly easier to work on given the size and familiar mechanics, but if you have a cylinder escapement or a fusée etc, it's a whole different ballgame indeed...
Love the quartz comment 😅
I bought the same watch in excellent running condition . what is it worth today ?
Hello Belinda, it's a very nice watch, congrats! It's not super valuable but if it's in nice condition it should be worth upwards of $500.
@@VintageWatchServices Thank you for your reply and I enjoyed the video on it.
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Winding the main spring by hand. 😱
I agree with Robert--always learn a lot from your videos. I've recently ordered a couple of old Ricoh automatics from eBay. They're not fancy, but I like the way they look. The sellers claimed they've been refurbished, but they look rough to my (admittedly untrained) eye. Have you ever worked on Ricoh watches?
Thanks so much for your comment, that's truly great to hear! I've not worked on any Ricoh's, but they are solid quality and some of them have a lateral lever instead of the common pallet fork. They should be great for working on.
@@VintageWatchServices Oh, don't let me misrepresent myself--I don't know a thing about watchmaking. I was gearing up to ask if I could send them to you for repairs! But your videos are fascinating and it's nice to learn more about the inner workings of these machines.
@@VintageWatchServices They used something called the "Dynamic Wide" escapement which is wider than a typical Swiss lever and has a shallower bank angle. It is banked on a single pin in the main plate. I believe it was an attempt to improve the efficiency of the escapement.
nice job!
Thanks and welcome to the channel!
Vivo vicino a Treviso . Dove trovo un orologiaio che sappia riparare questo tipo di orologio ?
I'd suggest you simply google vintage watches near you, and it shouldn't be too difficult to find a watchmaker. It is not a complicated watch to work on, so any good independent watchmaker will do.
Great, finally someone made a video on Hebdomas 8 Days!
Many thanks from Ukraine!
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed it!
@@VintageWatchServices I enjoyed indeed ) Probably I'll share this video with my watch repairman once I get one 8 Jours in fair condition.
It looks like the case is silver-plated. Is the base metal brass?
These old pocket watch cases are typically made out of silver, although this one is quite thin. There is however a band of what seems to be copper.
7:00 mark; Timmy's math skills, 1,2 skip-a-few 5, will see him as the defendant in an accounting scandal later in life... >~
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Your presentation and humour make this video a real joy. Did your colleague beat that quartz movement into submission? Subscribed with pleasure. Thanks!
Thanks and welcome to the channel, David! It's not really about the outcome when hammering on a quartz movement, it's about enjoying the process. 😁
Beautiful 🥰
Thank you! 😊
Is this watch Portuguese? I identified this language in the manual shown.
The watch belongs to a Brazilian man, so that would fit nicely!
@@VintageWatchServices. Cool. I'm Brazilian too.
What are cap jewels for?
Cap jewels are to reduce friction. The way they work is that the balance wheel is fit onto a metal pin called an arbor, and each end of the arbor is very thin and highly polished into a pivot. These pivots extend through the jewel holes. When the watch is lying flat, one pivot will rest on one of the cap jewels and due to the very small diameter of the pivot combined with the hardness of the pivot/jewel plus a tiny drop of oil, there is very little friction. That makes the balance wheel oscillate more freely and thus improves the timekeeping.
Pocket watch , oh goody !
Something different this time!
I am new to this hobby.
Then welcome! It's a great hobby, very zen when you get a little bit into it. The parts are so small you basically have no choice than to remain calm 😅
Good job 👌👌👌👏👏👏
Thank you so much 😀
what is his price in very good condition now?
Hi John, thanks for watching! The owner will keep it and already started browsing Amazon for a nice pendant chain :)
10:45 Pink was actually originally a color for men. Blue was for women, because that was the Virgin Mary’s color. Bergeron is clearly a traditional company.
Right on!