Many years ago I happened to ask an American missionary about his ancestors. He was serving in my home town in Spain. He told me that he descended from people that persecuted Joseph Smith. That missionary was a really good missionary. I found his family history very interesting. Joseph Smith would be happy to know that some of the offspring of these very evil men would be faithful LDS.
That is a nice story to hear. Thank you. Many of the persecutors suffered deep regrets for what they did. And some of them suffered physically after it. Several gave their death bed confessions that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. That must have left a lasting impression on their descendants who witnessed it.
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I stand foursquare against these horrible things happening to anybody. Hopefully people will learn to love rather than hate. How much better life is for those on the right side of the Lord.
The Lord has never stopped showing details about temporal facts, through history and other ways, that my decision to become a member of the true and living church upon the earth. This is sweet for me, since I was baptized in only a week after I met the missionaries for the first time. I could've be baptized the same day!!!! Such glorious day it was for me to be visited by The Spirit of Truth, it was such sacred experience for me as a 16 years old at the time. Joseph is the greatest Witness of The Living CHRIST!!
I love love love learning about history especially when it come to what I believe with all my heart to be true and that is a Prophet of God. I remember growing up in the Island wishing one day I will get to see a prophet of God in my own eyes. I went to my first ever General Conference in person and when President Monson walked in I started to crying. I knew right then that He was a truly a prophet of God. I know this to be true because the Holy Ghost testify it to me. Thank you for taking the time to load these history. I’m excited to learn some more. #thanktheeohGodforprophet
Always remember that the title page to the Book of Mormon tells us that this book is a record of the people of Nephi written to the Lamanites who are a remnant of the house of Israel. At the destruction of the Nephites, during a time of great wickedness, this record was sealed up and hidden to come forth to the world once again by way of the gentiles who are the people of European descent who emigrated to America. You are in part descended from the Nephites. This book is a record of your ancestors who are among the greatest of all the prophets who have ever lived. President Woodruff said you have the birthright, and you stand first in many of the promises of God. This book was first given to the Gentiles to fulfill this prophecy in the book of Mormon. It was the mission of the Gentiles to bring this book to the natural branches of the tree of Israel. In the next prophecy, the Lamanites will become convinced of the truth of the Book of Mormon, which has already gone forth among them. Then it says the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose, and they will bring to light God's true points of the Gospel, the only Gospel which is in the Lord. They will reveal things which have been hidden since the foundation of the world. You share this promise with the Lamanites who are all the children of Lehi. The next chapter of Scripture is going to be written about your people, when the time comes that they mature in the Gospel as the gentiles have never been willing to do. Your people will have much favor and power from heaven, and your wisdom and understanding will reach to heaven. But only if you and your people are willing to love the Lord with all your heart and regard not the naysayers in the world, both within and outside the Church who will tell you that none of this is true.
LOL - You need to study the Scriptures to learn what it means to be a real & true Believer In & Follower Of the Lord and Saviour; and then who / what a True Prophet of God is, how a True Prophet of God lives, and the types of things and messages a True Prophet of God prophecies about and gives. Do not be deceived or led astray. God IS NOT and WILL NOT BE MOCKED by anyone!
Joseph Smith made many false prophecies that didn’t come true and was put to death as it’s written in Deuteronomy 18, it’s know that he forged the book of Abraham, y’all need to study more and don’t rely on your heart because the Bible said the heart is deceitful, God bless you all and may y’all discover the true Jesus Christ and he’s not a created being that’s the brother of Lucifer, Jesus Christ is God!
I inherited a book from my parents called "The Fate of the Persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith" and it documents almost all of the men who were involved in the murder of Brother Joseph. All of them died quite horribly and knew they had killed a prophet of God and knew their horrible fate was just.
I am always amazed how I have never heard any of your stories. They are so amazing. Thank you so much for all of your research and time and effort. I love to listen to your channel.
That was tough to listen to. But it is a warning to all about messing with the Lord’s prophets. Incredible to think that the Saviour atoned even for them. He endured their pain and suffering. I call that love.
He wasn’t a prophet. Look up the biblical requirements to be an actual prophet. One requirement is 100% accuracy in his prophecies. Joseph Smith was wrong on a lot of prophecies.
"And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I will take vengeance upon the wicked, for they will not repent; for the cup of mine indignation is full; for behold, my blood shall not cleanse them if they hear me not. "Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them; And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me; and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets;" D&C 29: 17-19
It is a pity that people cannot learn wisdom until it is everlastingly too late. I am afraid that what befell these mobocrats is a harbinger of what is to come, if the people do not repent.
I was feeling sorry for the suffering of those people, but then I thought what a great warning it should be to those in modern days. They eventually wound up bearing their testimony to the truthfulness and the holy calling of our Prophet Joseph Smith with the rotting and decaying of their own bodies.
I love the stories and history in your videos. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR NOT ❤ injecting music into the video. You are awsome. I can hear what you say. ❤❤❤. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Thank you. I do put some music into my videos, especially the Hymn "The Spirit of God, Like a Fire is Burning." I do not have a professional rendition of it. But people request it, and it is good for people to hear it and even feel the spirit of it when sung with their own voices and not merely heard. The Scriptures say that sacred hymns when sung are a prayer from the heart. Music can alter the very chemistry of our bodies, for better or worse, depending o the type of music we hear. But if you are referring to injecting modern music into videos, I believe we need Godly music to counteract the modern music we hear. Even if we are turned off at first by these hymns. They can grow on us, even as we were forced to accept modern music.
Nothing untoward actually happened to those indicted for the murder of the Prophet and his brother Hyrum. President Oaks did exhaustive research on the lives of those accused after their acquittal. Here is a list of those accused and what if anything happened in their lives: Mark Aldrich had a totally normal life and died in Tucson in 1874. Jacob Davis was even elected to Congress in 1856 following four terms in Illinois state senate. William Grover practiced law in St Louis, later moved back to Warsaw prosperous and respected. Thomas Sharp served three terms as Mayor of Warsaw. Levi Williams was postmaster and died in 1856. All who served as counsel for the accused killers lived quite successful careers in elected office. Ironically enough, those who met difficulty subsequent to the acquittal were prosecutors, the sheriff, the Judge, and the Governor. The five who went to trial, as well as others involved in the murder plot all enjoyed notably successful careers according to Pres. Dallin H. Oaks and co-author Marvin S. Hill of "Carthage Conspiracy."
Well all I can say is it is Oaks word against another man who did extensive research. I lean toward the word of the book I read that was written many years ago.
As another pointed out, the only one who treated the old man badly was his own son. The others tried to help him with jobs, food, clothing, firewood, etc. But there is only so much people can do. I guess, if they could have done anything more, they could have been more forceful with his son. But even then, his son as bad as he was, might have been his primary means of support. Driving his son away could have made the situation worse. In the end, they did order his son out of the territory.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 How the son treated the Old man reminded me how I treated my uncle. Thank goodness I never beat him or harm him in anyway however I often Yell at him when he annoys or does something that annoys me. Though a sad story, may I learn from it and not be cruel towards him all the time.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 How the elderly are being treated now days, It should be a lesson to follow. In fact they should be honored because they suffered much and worked harder then all of us combined and don't forget they are also wise!
I'm sure that these accounts are only a few and there were likely many more who suffered similarly for their horrific evil deeds at Haun's Mill, in driving the Saints from Missouri, their expulsion from Nauvoo, and many persecutions of the righteous since. This documentary should serve well as a warning to people who persecute the righteous for their beliefs that the sword of justice from the Almighty will hang over them.
Yes. The blessings of God were withdrawn from them, and they were left to themselves. There was nothing left to stop the maggots from eating them alive. How much each of us depends on God even for the very breath we draw, we rarely realize and give thanks. We rarely give thanks for the rivers and springs and wells that always give us life giving water. For the food we eat. When those blessings are withdrawn, our suffering is designed to advance our spirits into whatever kingdom we are destined to inherit.
I met a man online who was serving a mission with his wife and it turned out that he had been a missionary in Brazil at the time that I was there. I mentioned to him that we had gone to look at church historical sites but weather had prevented us from seeing Haun's mill. He replied that he had a grandfather who was killed at Haun's mill and I said, that's interesting. I had a grandfather who's brother was killed at Haun's mill (Mine, Tarylton Lewis was wounded there.) It turned out that we were 5th cousins.
If you martyr a true prophet of God, expect to pay a certain price, and a hefty price indeed, especially for martyring the Prophet of the Restoration. These men may not have known fully who they had martyred, but they knew right from wrong I'm sure, and there may be some form of redemption for their souls in eternity, but you had better believe their remaining days in mortality were cursed henceforth from June 27th, 1844 until their dying breaths. If anything, tales like these make any non-believers pause, why did ALL the mobocrats suffer such horrible fates? It's because everything the Prophet Joseph Smith stood for and was called to do to restore the Gospel was true. He was the Lord's prophet, even his martyrdom testifies to and seals the earthly fates of these men. "For every man receiveth wages of him whom he listeth to obey".
In every generation, the wicked have served a purpose for the spiritual benefit of the righteous. The persecutions the wicked inflict on the world, are a necessary test for the righteous to pass through.
Can you imagine the crucifiers and the Jewish leaders, how they felt once they passed to the other side of the veil? There’s a prophesy about it, it goes like this: When The Lord comes backs in His Glory, even the crucifiers will see him from the spirit world.
I feel sorry for those guys. They knew not what they did until it was too late. I kept thinking of the scripture in D&C 121 about kicking against the pricks and "cursed are those who lift up a heel against [the Lord's] anointed." What happened to them sounds much worse. Still, don't fight against Zion and her prophets, "yea, it shall be unto them, even as unto a hungry man which dreameth and behold he eateth by he awaketh and his soul is empty; or like unto a thirsty man which dreameth and behold he awaketh and behold he is faint and his soul hath appetite. " (Isaiah 29:3)
Yes, it is hard not to feel sympathy for them, seeing how badly many of them suffered. Knowing their punishment and suffering, caused the Savior while dying on the cross to ask the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. Joseph and Hyrum suffered but for a moment. The punishment for these men is eternal. Joseph Smith says the suffering we endure is for our everlasting good. Likewise the punishment these men endure, both in their lives and in the spirit world is for their everlasting good. It brings them to a state of mind to where the work of redemption is possible even for them. So many times when I have read how so full of hate, cruelty and violence these men were. It always made me mad to read how they avoided any lawful punishment for their crimes. Yet, in reality, none of us will ever escape from a single thing. Sooner or later, each and every one of us, must return to face our sins and give an accounting for them. Every thought and every action is recorded in this short test called life. Like a teacher who grades right and wrong answers on a test, all of our thoughts and actions will likewise be graded as right or wrong. For those precious few who pass the test, will be given endless powers, dominions, glories and knowledge, and become joint heirs with Jesus Christ in all the fullness of the Father's endless kingdoms. For the rest, we will be rewarded according to our works and will become eternal servants. While some shall be forever banished from the earth into outer darkness.
@@HaleStorm49 it works because God wills it to. You’ll need to take it up with Jesus, who taught more about the reality of Hell and its torments quite a bit.
@@ChaChaDancin I didn't ask why the LDS church is steamrolling sectarian little "c" christianity in every category that matters - but is that also God's will?
Wow I have never heard of this before. While I love Joseph Smith, and know for myself that he was a prophet of God, I would not wish this end upon anyone. I must think the Lord had warned each of them to stay home and they must have utterly refused. Very sad
Parley P. Pratt was on a mission back east during the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum. He says he had a terrible feeling of doom and started back for Nauvoo without knowing why. On his journey home, he received news of the martyrdom, and Americans everywhere were celebrating the news as though it were a great national triumph. Read most of the newest comments on this video. People approve of his murder down to this very day.
About 50 yrs ago I read the book, The fate of the killers of Joseph Smith and am glad to hear this affirmation of some of it's details. I have a comment which I believe relates to this narrative. Around the year 2000 there was a series on the PBS TV network about the civil war. In one of its episodes there was mention of a battle wherein the military unit called the Missouri Greys was destroyed. The episode said that every man of the Missouri greys was killed in that battle. I have wanted to verify it and read more about it, but have been unable to find more information about it. I would enjoy seeing any comments concerning this story.
That is the book where I got this account from, by Neils Lundwall. Fate of the persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He went to a lot of trouble to notarize statements wherever possible. Would that documentary series about the civil war, been produced by Ken Burns? If so, I would like to look that up. Thank you.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I don't remember now, but I could have been. At the time I think they called it a mini-series and it was replayed a year or later I think. If I am not mistaken the Missouri Greys were involved in the awful things that were done to the saints in Missouri and drove them out.
Joseph Smith told the mob they would one day see blood shed to their heart's content. You should look up General Order #11, issued by the Union army in 1863 to the residents of five counties in western Missouri, including Jackson County. The same county which so violently expelled the Saints in 1834. This Union order did the same thing. Ordering all inhabitants of the county and five other counties to leave. Afterwards their homes were burned to the ground. "1. All persons living in Jackson, Cass, and Bates counties, Missouri, and in that part of Vernon included in this district, except those living within one mile of the limits of Independence, Hickman's Mills, Pleasant Hill, and Harrisonville, and except those in that part of Kaw Township, Jackson County, north of Brush Creek and west of Big Blue, are hereby ordered to remove from their present places of residence within fifteen days from the date hereof. " This order depopulated those counties. With the exception of Jackson County, the populations of some of the other counties, never recovered to this day.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Wow. I was not aware of that and some of what they left by obeying that order was no doubt ill-gotten gain from driving out the Mormons.
The Missouri Greys and those five counties received exactly the same actions they swore upon the mormons earlier. Karma. Only those with spiritual eyes will see this for what it is, the judgements of God eventually manifested.
President Oaks has done much research on this subject back when he was a law student at The University of Chicago. While a member of the Twelve he shared information about these events during a talk at General Conference. My people homesteaded in St Thomas until the rising of Lake Mead. They had to leave their homes. I wonder how life would have been different had we been able to stay.
I mean no disrespect, but I believe you are just a product of the times we are living in. In the past, not even the most Mormon hating historian thought of that. Stories like that gain traction only because the population is now illiterate of history and gullible enough to believe in anything.
I am sorry, but you should look at it from my perspective. John Taylor lived for decades after he saw Joseph Smith murdered. And in that time he never spoke ill words of Joseph Smith. He praised Joseph Smith kept his memory sacred until the day he died. Honestly, does this sound like a man who killed him? No it doesn't! And then 140 years later, someone comes along and says John Taylor killed Joseph Smith. And some people are actually gullible enough to believe it. Honestly. How else am I supposed to describe it? Both Joseph Smith and and John Taylor hold a sacred place in my heart. I have studied the sermons of both of them, and I cannot help but feel a little offended and indignant when someone comes along and bears false witness against John Taylor. There is a reason why bearing false witness against your neighbor is forbidden in the Bible. False accusations are character assassinations. And they can destroy a person just as much as if you physically harmed them. The rules of civilization demand we do not engage in such things, or else civilization will cease to function. You never accuse anyone in such a manner without hard evidence. You just don't do it. You don't want anyone accusing you falsely. Then why do it to someone else? @@sisknothinbutruth2684
Hmmm. You've called me illiterate and gullible (twice!) So, my character is fine to obliterate? You don't know me. You know nothing of my background or education. I tell you that I watched a video that appeared accurate, and you call me names and claim I'm threatening the very fabric of society?! Did you watch it? Did you know John Taylor changed his story multiple times and lied about his watch being shot? Even the church says his watch wasn't shot. He was shot with a pistol, not a musket. He didn't go to court to testify against the accused in the mob, and they walked. Forensic evidence (Hyrum's skull) points to your idle being guilty. The Truth will come out. Perhaps it already has. If he's innocent, it will pan out. Society isn't going to crumble over it (unless perhaps certain members of society are still covering for the guilty parties and have more to lose than we know). I love the voice over work in your video and I appreciate you taking the time to put this together.
I don't know you, but I know what you said here! I have studied these men all my life and to me even though they lived in a different era, Joseph Smith and John Taylor are like mentors to me. Like fathers. I have never read anything John Taylor said that would contradict himself. People always tell stories a little differently about significant events throughout their lives as they remember it and see it through differing perspectives and in differing contexts of the conversation. That is completely normal. It is a well known fact that a witness to a crime will tell a different story to the police vs. a year later when they testify in court. They still remember it. But they remember different details. Lawyers know this and try to work it in their favor. This is how the game is always played. And if you buy into it, this is how people get played. If someone were to accuse one of your family members of some hideous crime, would you feel indignant about it? If you were a decent human being you would. @@sisknothinbutruth2684
That was hard to listen to for me as well. It was a just recompense, however I still had compassion on them. I am very thankful that Joseph Smith obeyed the calling of God to restore the fullness of the Gospel.
Yes, absolutely. The ones who need the most compassion are the ones who most fail this test of life. Like the Bishop Polycarp stated shortly before he was to be burned at the stake. His suffering by fire would last but for a moment. The suffering by fire of his tormentors would be eternal. Shortly before the death of the Savior, He asked forgive them father, for they know not what they do, knowing the fate that awaits them.
i like to see more programmes on tv about life in mormon homes this is the interesting relegions in world i once knew a preist in the mormon church in 1975 peter holding of the highgate chuch was a menber peter now lives in hatfield herts
They are really not all that different from any other home or community. Either in the present or in the past. A great many of the early immigrants to Utah from the 1850s to 1900s were from western Europe, primarily the UK. They desired to assimilate as much as possible, but brought their cultures with them for the most part.
Like 23 ( 30-31 ) 30.Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, fall on us ; and to the hills , cover , us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree , what shall be done in the dry of fall
“What became of the killers of Joseph smith the prophet?” The each were future prophets of the Brigham young following of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Aka “Brighamites”
Another accusation with no basis in fact. The real reason you and others are gullible enough to believe any and every lie about him is because you believe in your stony hearts that Joseph Smith deceived the world. "28. Verily, verily, I say unto you, wo be unto him that lieth to deceive because he supposeth that another lieth to deceive, for such are not exempt from the justice of God." D&C 10:28
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 you should really not use a verse from the same book that is in question to try to prove that it is true. lol. It’s like saying I know the Book of Mormon is true because the Book of Mormon says it’s true. There again is an intellectually dishonest argument.
@@jeremyfrisbie239 So what are you then? Are you an atheist? So because you detest the message you attack the messengers by making false accusations against them? Let's analyze your argument that this verse I quoted to you is false. In the Bible, in the ten commandments tells us that we are not to bear false witness against our neighbor. These laws have been known since ancient times to preserve and build a civilized society. Our modern form of government is built on it. U.S. Courts used to acknowledge the ten commandments until atheists began declaring they were offended by it. When you bear false witness against your neighbor you are committing character assasination. This has been known to take a person's life every bit as much as if you committed the act physically. To disobey these laws as led to bitterness, strife, and even wars. And has destroyed civilizations. This verse I quoted to you basically says if you break God's laws, you are not exempt from justice. It is a fundamentally truthful statement. There is another higher law of Christ that says you should esteem your neighbor as yourself. By your words you have demonstrated that you are lawless before God. All of the Twelve Apostles in the Church under Joseph Smith who remained in the Church, never uttered a negative word against Joseph Smith after his death all the rest of their lives. They always spoke of him with praise, love and respect. And they did it many thousands of times spanning half a century. They talked of it daily. There is no possible way such a people could have done what you have accused them of doing. It is not rational to believe such a thing. There are also numerous eye witnesses from the mob, Joseph Smith's sworn enemies who have confessed what they saw and did. To be so gullible and irrational as to believe what you have accused, shows that your one and only motive for believing it is out of pure hatred, and nothing more. You don't realize or don't care how gullible and irrational you have presented yourself in public.
I happened upon this book on my mission 30 years ago. I certainly think it’s all possible, but I wonder about the truth of it all. I’ve never heard one way or another. Sure is interesting though.
Neils Lundwall the compiler of this book, went to a lot of trouble to notarize eye witness statements wherever possible to establish it as being true. Of course there are plenty of people both inside and outside the church who make the claim they are false. But these same people also dispute many of the stories accepted by the early Church. One prominent example is where Joseph Smith and several early members of the Church talk about the extreme religious rivalries in upstate New York at the time Joseph Smith inquired of the Lord which of the Churches was true. Most opposition Christian groups now claim that wasn't ever true, and they point to a lack of newspaper articles that mention it. But if you visit Palmyra, at one of the main intersections in the town you will see four competing churches with magnificent steeples on each corner of the intersection. It is like that with every thing in early Mormonism. The groups that dispute the truthfulness of it seem endless. Most people will hear all the anti Mormon stuff first and believe it, and then their minds are forever closed to ever considering it. It was like that in early Christianity as well. Most people in the ancient world believed every horrible thing ever said about Christians before they ever met one, and they were filled with hate and rage over it. People are free to believe or disbelieve everything according to the free agency God gave them. God wants us to choose, so we can be judged in the end according to the record of our works and choices both good and bad. Before I made these videos, for years i have shared the content of many of my videos with members of the Church, and I would say the majority of them rejected them and dismissed me as a fool for believing such things. Like Solomon says, there is no new thing under the sun. There is nothing that happens, that hasn't happened over and over again before.
The men that murdered Joseph and Hyrum wasn't "the mob". It was Willard Richards and John Taylor at the behest of Brigham Young. Curious that the ball lodged in John Taylor's watch is the same caliber as the pistol secretly given to Joseph by Porter Rockwell. According to testimony given in court proceedings the mob outside the jail was about 50 yards away. At that range a 28 caliber ball would not have enough power to force a man back into the building which was Taylor's story. Richards and Taylor stained with Joseph and Hyrum's blood accompanied Brigham to Utah where Willard Richards helped Brigham change church records, documents and journals. John Taylor became the next president of the church Brigham Young usurped.
And for the rest of their lives, every single one of these men never said a negative word against Joseph Smith. In fact, in their tens of thousands of pages of speeches, writings and sermons, they praised the memory of Joseph Smith daily, and truly mourned his loss. That would not be possible if they really did do what you are accusing them of. But facts are an inconvenient thing for the historically challenged. The Scriptures say that Lucifer accused the brethren night and day before the Father before he rebelled and fell from heaven. Joseph Smith has been accused night and day ever since his death. That alone tells us all we need to know who is true friends are. Even President Trump is accused of everything under the sun night and day by the legions of haters. The spirit of accusation is from the devil.
Thanks for posting this video! It's unfortunate that the early Saints adapted the nickname "Mormon". The Lord has reprimanded us for this, saying that "To remove the Lord's name from the Lord's church, is a major victory for Satan." (2018 General Conference) Mormon was a great prophet, but he would not want us to call the Church after him.
Sorry! I don't subscribe to cancel culture. The Lord never said that. Do not put words into the Lord's mouth. It is very inappropriate and sacrilegious. You should know better. Nobody removed the name from the Lord's Church. Not ever. In the twentieth century, whenever a nation or a movement was taken over, they always forbade the use of names and words. They tore down statues and rewrote history. For decades, the name Jesus Christ has been forbidden in public schools in many western nations. In places like Germany, young people become extremely uncomfortable when the name is mentioned. I am not going to give in to censorship. Everything you just told me, runs contrary to the principles of free agency and tolerance. To live by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God, found in the book of Mormon and elsewhere. And to not put one's trust in the arm of flesh.
In reference to the first story cited here , all the prophecies in the world do not absolve the people who witness this treatment of someone that we are sworn to love and care for according to the scriptures, and yet did nothing while this man was tortured on a daily basis. I hope they find their just Rewards as well. Reveling in people's misery while christ, our example prayed for forgiveness for those who murdered him, what a Despicable way to live your life and claim to be of God. I've always liked the church but there are frequently times when I meet people who have no business calling themselves Christian that are still in the church.
From this video it sounds like some of those people were kind to the suffering. If you don't what is wrong with someone it is pretty hard to help them much other then with food. And that is what some of these people did.
44 hawk what are you saying? People watching while someone has been tortured and not doing anything? And are saying we should pray to forgive the murderer? And bcuz we don’t we should not call ourselves as Christian? I’m confused.
Gotta remember their entire religion is based on demonstrably false claims of Smith. Even now they sing songs about the “Earth must atone for his blood”. That’s what led to mountain Meadows massacre and people posting and reveling in sick videos like this.
Interesting, but these people were non members. If they had been members and entered into the covenant. Don't know how their punishment could have been even greater.
Heaven only knows what eternal punishments are in store for each of us. The Scriptures say that where so ever is the greater light, so also is greater the glory or greater the condemnation. Whatever punishments we receive, we can be assured it will be according to God's perfect system of justice. Joseph Smith in the King Follett sermon, said even when we are forgiven of our sins, we are not totally released from our responsibility for them. An early Christian once said, we either pay for our sins in this life, or in the life to come, until there is a perfect restitution for all things.
Maybe joseph was like the savior and proclaimed something along the lines of" Father forgive them for they know not what they do." But who knows, we know from the scriptures God smites who He wants but up to us not to be like" that's what you get!"
It seems like I remember something was said, back in my primary days, of the man that murdered Joseph and Hiram.I heard something bad happened to them and that's about it. And something about Brigham Young. And now you bring this story into the spotlight. Those are pretty horrible death. No telling how many more stories are out there of similar circumstance. A lesson learned, don't mess with the Lord's people. I believe what the scripture saying are true. I believe the flesh-eating worms will happen again to somebody in the future probably even now. It seems like also, a few other Generations after would suffer something.
It says somewhere if I remember correctly, that if His people repent God will preserve His people and fight their battles for them even if it so be that He must rain fire upon the wicked. But that is the key word repent. We must repent and turn from our wicked ways. There will come a day when no weapon formed against God's people will prosper. There will go forth a cry among the wicked that let us not go up unto Zion to battle for the inhabitants thereof are terrible. One will stand against a thousand, and two against ten thousand.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 you're right, sometimes we forget the power of our Lord God. The stories you uncovered, should cause us to have more faith and understanding when we read our scriptures of truth. The Prophecies of 2nd Nephi chapters 26 through chapter 30, will give us some clue what we are facing now and later. I think if I was one of these killers of Joseph Smith, I believe I would rather spend the rest of my life in prison repenting, instead of dying the way they did. But look at the brighter side, all of this, helped to enforce this Nation to enforce the Constitution even for the slaves. A very sad ending for some, blossomed A New Beginning for better, good came from tragedy. You can take the scriptures, tragedy come to many of the chosen ones of the Lord, then the Lord changed the tragedy into a greater good for the people afterwards. Hopefully we all can learn a valuable lesson from the story also.
@@leswalker2639 I also think that these horrible punishments are for their own sake so they can repay in some way their evil deeds and receive mercy on the other side of the Vail. My thoughts though.
@@dianacollazo5987 you could be right. I don't think I would like to start out my life being cruel to people. I know some that has started out that way back in those old days and even now. My thinking is, if I don't commit the ACT, I don't have to take the extra years out of my life to repent for it. I learned early in life by watching other people's mistakes turn into tragedies and longtime repentance , that was a Learning lesson for me . There is a lot of hate and anger for people if you let Satan's missionaries influence your life. The mercy of the Lord is wonderful and that's all we know here on Earth at this time. In the next life we have time to purify ourselves through Jesus Christ and his Mercy to teach us differently then what has been taught here on the Earth, with so much opposition here and in the next life we will have a opposition also depending. You are absolutely right, those who hate and have anger are the sons and daughters of God also. I look at Earthly life somewhat like Spirit prison. And they were somewhat disobedient also.
a friend of mine has been sitting here beside me........listening to what is being told by this person.......there are 2 sides to every story for sure.....when talking about how many of those people died... the men that killed JOSEPH SMITH.... when referring to the worms etc... probably the water was contaminated... also.. back then.. what did anyone know of whatkind of CANCER there was.. or how it spread... also.. we all talk or see what we as INDIVIDUALS... so. what we each see as INDIVIUALS is a different story fro eacg different person.........FOR SURE...OUR LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST does work in MYSTERIOUS WAYS......both of us ..sitting here... find it HARD TO BELIVE THAT OUR LORD WOULD PUNISH ANYONE SO HORRIBLE....IF IT IS OR WAS A DISEASE???????? WE ALL WILL CONTINUE TO BELIEVE AS WE EACH DO.INDIVIDUALY.......THAT IS OUR LORD/GODS WAY OF BEING SURE .... THAT WE ARE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE TO OURSELVES....BEING BORN AS HUMANS SPERATLY BUT DIFFERENT... THAT IS CALSO CALLED.... FREEDOM OF SPEECH ..
How could the old man’s feet be burned in the cabin fire when the narrator said earlier that he had lost his feet? Also, why would the old man refer to The Prophet as “Old Joe Smith” when he was a young man at time of his murder?
The story said his toes rotted off his feet and he was crippled. It does not say he lost his feet. The mobocrats, and his enemies have always referred to Joseph Smith as "Joe" or "old Joe" down to the present day. It is a sign of contempt and disrespect. In contrast, those who love him always refer to him as Joseph, or the "prophet joseph." Joseph Smith was 39, in his early middle age.
They became the first the first whig party presidents of the united states Abraham Lincoln & Ulysses s Grant & Came to Utah and took back the priesthood from the blacks and scraped the school of prophets that anyone could come learn and talked freely in ideas that Joseph Smith started to watch and look for a prophet that was to come on earth from the descendants of Joseph and Aaron
There were hundreds of men involved in the murder of Joseph Smith. These accounts were compiled by a Church historian who searched far and wide to find some of the accounts of what happened to some of them. It does not document what happened to all of them.
Let God be true and ever man be a liar. (Romans 3:4).. Anyone contradicting the word of God cannot be a prophet of God. We are in a serious place if at any point or minds can block out the clear and obvious words of God. Abide and live by every word of God and be the true children of your Father in heaven. satan is very cunning. Only by sticking to every word of the Lord (Matthew 4:4 )can we defeat his great deception. He that hath an ear let Him hear.
I am thinking that this is folklore. Probably Lundwall mostly created. I acknowledge that at first I at first believed the stories to be truthful but then latter I became aware of my own bias towards the Church and the prophet . A few things now strike me odd. Why relay the story of the old man Brooke (the mobocrat) by way of affidavit? Wouldn't you think the reason to make an affidavit would be to relay a statement that runs counter to current thought of the time? It seems this statement of facts is done as if having a fore-knowledge of future times when the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith is not looked upon with kindness. I would say affidavit does not necessarily imply truthfulness. I wonder why affidavit? Also the stone that rolled down from the hillside to cover his grave does not appear like a stone capable of rolling.
It seems to me that the objective of Lundwall having eye witness accounts notarized is clear. It was for the sake of the legions of doubting Thomases who choose not to believe it. Dr. John Widtsoe wrote in the forward to this book: "Certainly this book will be read with challenging interest by the members of the Church and by others. We should be grateful to the compiler for the long hours of tedious work spent in making the compilation." -JOHN A. WIDTSOE I do not remember the story about some stone rolling down a hill to cover Brooke's grave. I always thought his marker was concrete made by a boy scout project to mark his grave after the original marker deteriorated. It is not in the book I read from.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Yeah the 'stone rolling' information came from research done @ kamasvalleyhistory.org/2020/10/31/tales-from-the-graveyard/ (at the end of the article) also there was questions raised about the life quality of the 5 men that were tried in a court-of-law over the death of Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum. Have a look at the historical document above and tell me if this changes your feelings somewhat.
@@williamandersen4633 Whether the rock rolled there, or it was placed there does nothing to verify or falsify the eyewitness accounts of this man Brooks. In many ways the rock is irrelevant to the story. There were hundreds of men involved in the murder of Joseph Smith. This book does not say that all of them suffered an ill fate. Only the ones that could be found and documented by Lundwall through eye witness accounts were included in his book. Most men in the 19th century lived quiet lives. There was no mass media or facebook to document every detail of their lives. If many more or no more suffered, it is unlikely to be documented outside their own circle of acquaintances.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Yeah but I think Ezra Taft Benson has commented to children during a trip to Carthage and that here say was reported by his family. I could find the Link if necessary. The real point that seems more important is if we as people who feel to guard the memory of the beloved prophet Joseph Smith will choose to believe things that are not true because of confirmation bias, this tendency can cause us to error which can make us susceptible to false doctrine and be deceived. I am trying to avoid that in my own personal life and realize I have this bias to fight. peace.
I would like to point out the following. It was the Mormon church who attacked Christianity first when Joseph Smith said that "all the churches are wrong and an abomination before God..." (Joseph Smith---History 1:19). For over 193 years the Mormon church has supported their racists doctrine that all blacks are cursed by God. Let me quote from one of your prophets: "You must not think that I am opposed to slavery. No! The Negro is damned, and is to serve his master till God chooses to remove the curse of Ham..." ---prophet Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, V.2, pp 142-143. Let's go back in time to September 1857 in which "Mormons" led by John D Lee murdered 120-140 innocent men, women, and CHILDREN of the Baker-Fancher wagon train. Later before his death John D Lee confessed that Brigham Young gave him the order to kill all those innocent people. And to add insult to the victims, the Mormon church names a university after Brigham Young (BYU). Most recently the Mormon church has settled multi-million dollar sexual assault lawsuits against the Mormon church. So please, don't stand there thinking you have some kind of "moral high ground" on everyone else. When the Mormon church has caused so much pain and suffering to this day.
I am not a Mormon. I am reading the Book of Mormon. I believe God honored Jospeh Smith with the ability to translate. May God have mercy on all of us. Be kind, be merciful and let God be the judge. We are to serve God.
@Paula Nix Mormons teach that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about this claim in: GALATIANS 1:6-9 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..." There you are, God telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith. So who would you rather believe? A. God Himself to lead you through life. OR B. The words of *one man* Joseph Smith and trusting him with your eternity (heaven or hell).
@@AlbertJLouie and it's written in Deuteronomy also, that is why Jewish people don't believe Jesus is the Christ. Mr. Louie, I believed and felt the same way you do for 50 years. I would never have anything to do with mormons. Until I was spiritually struggling between goodness and evilfavoredness. My spirit was battling and the Book of Mormin, in plain English, explained exactly what is written in the Holy Bible...I say this as a witness to God, our Creator, and his holiness....God can do whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's all His!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints exhibits love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control. I don't attend however because of the images of Jesus. I believe it violates the 1st and 2nd commandment. I worship God at home, God's word and fellowship with people.
@Paula Nix But when you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
There are literally millions of homeless people all across this land. In every large city, there are poor beggars, each with personal challenges not unlike this old man. If you want to help someone, there are no shortages of opportunities.
@@marksandsmith6778 I see the principles of liberty and tolerance enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and the ten commandments in the Bible are lost on you.
Don't know anything about that, but two hundred years ago there was this story: Watch "The Enemy Within" about two hundred men in the Church at Nauvoo, who entered into a secret combination against Joseph Smith. ruclips.net/video/gGQWUGhE2Pk/видео.html
No one should be condemned for committing a murder? Well that is just brilliant! You probably just said that in ignorance without knowing how serious it is. " 8 He that continueth in sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning... 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." 1 John 3.
You support those who brag details about killing the Smith Brothers, only the killers would know? You're saying their actions of murders should not be condemned? You're stupid, it is like my actions should not be condemned for killing your family. Those men involved in the murders deserve to suffer like Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith mother Lucy and family had to go through with no justice.
Only the meek and lowly in heart are acceptable to God, and are able to recognize a true prophet, just as only the pure in heart received the Savior Himself. Those who reject the Lord's prophets are influenced by that same being who incited the ancient Jews to crucify their Lord. Beware, lest ye find yourself fighting against God.
Joseph Smith boasted that he had done more than Christ and his Apostles, he 'translated ' (changed) the Bible, and also made numerous false prophesies in God's name, perhaps unsurprisingly he died in jail, in custody, gun in hand in a desperate shootout at an early age.
Yeah I have heard you guys say that exact same thing for thirty years. Over and over and over again. It does not matter how many times it gets answered, it keeps coming back. You would think after all this time you would come up with something original to attack him with. But you can't. You copy each other and consider nothing more. Not an original thought among the whole lot of you. You probably haven't had an original thought in your entire life. Just run with the herd and whatever you do, don't think for yourself.
Joseph Smith never boasted about anything. He never made any such claims. Stop listening to mindless gossip and choosing to remain ignorant. You're not a robot. Those who sincerely want to know the truth will read The Book of Mormon and seek a witness from God that it is true.
Wtf is up with all the rotting?!? Sounds like they had really bad hygiene back then. Just curious though, how many people rotted to death like that back then, that didn't kill any morons? If so, what were they being punished for?
Joseph Smith was instrumental in restoring to the earth the same Church that Jesus Christ established on the earth. It really doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I’m sure you were raised Mormon and believe that. Read the true Bible. See how smith added 25 verses in Genesis and modified Mark
@Amp928 What is your opinion of Mark 16:16-18? Do you realize that most Christians that believe as you do are now saying those verse weren't added until the fifth century? That it was not really written by Mark and should not be taken literally? Why do Christians say Mormons are wrong and the Bible is the complete infallible word of God, while at the same time reject Mark 16? Why did the Protestants take the Apocrypha out of the Bible if it is infallible? Why were there more books in the oriental orthodox Bibles than the Roman Catholic Bible?
@Amp928 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.' Christ's Apostles were already baptized so he wasn't speaking strictly to them. Christ was speaking to everyone. So why do Christians not believe in that? Christ was in the form of a man. After He was resurrected, He could be seen and felt. John laid his head on the chest of Jesus. Man was created in the image of God. "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 33:11 "6 Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. 7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" Numbers 12 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Gen. 32:30 You were never a Mormon were you? You betray yourself by your ignorance. If you ever were a member of the Church, you left it without knowing a thing about it.
@Amp928 You mean all the "Joseph Smith was a 33 degree mason..." hearsay nonsense? I would rather stand or fall on the message of the man, rather than listen to all personal attacks against the messenger. That is the worst thing any Christian can do, to condemn a man based merely on the gossip about him. it speaks volumes about what kind of a person you are if that is what you want me to respond to.
Many years ago I happened to ask an American missionary about his ancestors. He was serving in my home town in Spain. He told me that he descended from people that persecuted Joseph Smith. That missionary was a really good missionary. I found his family history very interesting. Joseph Smith would be happy to know that some of the offspring of these very evil men would be faithful LDS.
That is a nice story to hear. Thank you. Many of the persecutors suffered deep regrets for what they did. And some of them suffered physically after it. Several gave their death bed confessions that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. That must have left a lasting impression on their descendants who witnessed it.
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@@leonardalcalaii9277 Thank you so much for your kind words. There is a kind and good God who will set all things right in the end.
Sounds like another lie
He was talking about Sydney Rigdon ❤
I stand foursquare against these horrible things happening to anybody. Hopefully people will learn to love rather than hate. How much better life is for those on the right side of the Lord.
Let God take care of our enemies. Do no unrighteous act.
The Lord has never stopped showing details about temporal facts, through history and other ways, that my decision to become a member of the true and living church upon the earth. This is sweet for me, since I was baptized in only a week after I met the missionaries for the first time. I could've be baptized the same day!!!! Such glorious day it was for me to be visited by The Spirit of Truth, it was such sacred experience for me as a 16 years old at the time. Joseph is the greatest Witness of The Living CHRIST!!
Now just imagine if you trusted Jesus as much as you trust the con-man Smith. The facts and evidence against his claims are overwhelming
I love love love learning about history especially when it come to what I believe with all my heart to be true and that is a Prophet of God. I remember growing up in the Island wishing one day I will get to see a prophet of God in my own eyes. I went to my first ever General Conference in person and when President Monson walked in I started to crying. I knew right then that He was a truly a prophet of God. I know this to be true because the Holy Ghost testify it to me. Thank you for taking the time to load these history. I’m excited to learn some more. #thanktheeohGodforprophet
Always remember that the title page to the Book of Mormon tells us that this book is a record of the people of Nephi written to the Lamanites who are a remnant of the house of Israel. At the destruction of the Nephites, during a time of great wickedness, this record was sealed up and hidden to come forth to the world once again by way of the gentiles who are the people of European descent who emigrated to America.
You are in part descended from the Nephites. This book is a record of your ancestors who are among the greatest of all the prophets who have ever lived. President Woodruff said you have the birthright, and you stand first in many of the promises of God.
This book was first given to the Gentiles to fulfill this prophecy in the book of Mormon. It was the mission of the Gentiles to bring this book to the natural branches of the tree of Israel. In the next prophecy, the Lamanites will become convinced of the truth of the Book of Mormon, which has already gone forth among them. Then it says the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose, and they will bring to light God's true points of the Gospel, the only Gospel which is in the Lord. They will reveal things which have been hidden since the foundation of the world.
You share this promise with the Lamanites who are all the children of Lehi. The next chapter of Scripture is going to be written about your people, when the time comes that they mature in the Gospel as the gentiles have never been willing to do. Your people will have much favor and power from heaven, and your wisdom and understanding will reach to heaven. But only if you and your people are willing to love the Lord with all your heart and regard not the naysayers in the world, both within and outside the Church who will tell you that none of this is true.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 thank you!
LOL - You need to study the Scriptures to learn what it means to be a real & true Believer In & Follower Of the Lord and Saviour; and then who / what a True Prophet of God is, how a True Prophet of God lives, and the types of things and messages a True Prophet of God prophecies about and gives. Do not be deceived or led astray. God IS NOT and WILL NOT BE MOCKED by anyone!
If any man prophesied and it does not come true he's not a prophet of God
Joseph Smith made many false prophecies that didn’t come true and was put to death as it’s written in Deuteronomy 18, it’s know that he forged the book of Abraham, y’all need to study more and don’t rely on your heart because the Bible said the heart is deceitful, God bless you all and may y’all discover the true Jesus Christ and he’s not a created being that’s the brother of Lucifer, Jesus Christ is God!
I inherited a book from my parents called "The Fate of the Persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith" and it documents almost all of the men who were involved in the murder of Brother Joseph. All of them died quite horribly and knew they had killed a prophet of God and knew their horrible fate was just.
Yes, that is the book I read from in this video.
I am always amazed how I have never heard any of your stories. They are so amazing. Thank you so much for all of your research and time and effort. I love to listen to your channel.
Thank you so much. Many of the topics are controversial so I think that is probably the main reason why these stories are little known.
That was tough to listen to. But it is a warning to all about messing with the Lord’s prophets. Incredible to think that the Saviour atoned even for them. He endured their pain and suffering. I call that love.
He wasn’t a prophet. Look up the biblical requirements to be an actual prophet. One requirement is 100% accuracy in his prophecies. Joseph Smith was wrong on a lot of prophecies.
Yes the mercy of the Lord extends even to the Mormon “prophet” Smith. That truly is amazing grace.
"And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I will take vengeance upon the wicked, for they will not repent; for the cup of mine indignation is full; for behold, my blood shall not cleanse them if they hear me not.
"Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them; And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me; and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets;"
D&C 29: 17-19
It is a pity that people cannot learn wisdom until it is everlastingly too late. I am afraid that what befell these mobocrats is a harbinger of what is to come, if the people do not repent.
I was feeling sorry for the suffering of those people, but then I thought what a great warning it should be to those in modern days. They eventually wound up bearing their testimony to the truthfulness and the holy calling of our Prophet Joseph Smith with the rotting and decaying of their own bodies.
They are some of the most powerful and heartfelt testimonies.
I love the stories and history in your videos. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR NOT ❤ injecting music into the video. You are awsome. I can hear what you say. ❤❤❤. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Thank you. I do put some music into my videos, especially the Hymn "The Spirit of God, Like a Fire is Burning." I do not have a professional rendition of it. But people request it, and it is good for people to hear it and even feel the spirit of it when sung with their own voices and not merely heard. The Scriptures say that sacred hymns when sung are a prayer from the heart. Music can alter the very chemistry of our bodies, for better or worse, depending o the type of music we hear.
But if you are referring to injecting modern music into videos, I believe we need Godly music to counteract the modern music we hear. Even if we are turned off at first by these hymns. They can grow on us, even as we were forced to accept modern music.
A Prophet of the Lord which cannot be deny Prophet Joseph Smith chosen one
Do you realize he preached the ambition of Lucifer?
@@blusheep2 Yeah right, and so did your momma bludude, ur fat syphilitic, leprous, halitosis ridden momma........
Nothing untoward actually happened to those indicted for the murder of the Prophet and his brother Hyrum. President Oaks did exhaustive research on the lives of those accused after their acquittal. Here is a list of those accused and what if anything happened in their lives: Mark Aldrich had a totally normal life and died in Tucson in 1874. Jacob Davis was even elected to Congress in 1856 following four terms in Illinois state senate. William Grover practiced law in St Louis, later moved back to Warsaw prosperous and respected. Thomas Sharp served three terms as Mayor of Warsaw. Levi Williams was postmaster and died in 1856. All who served as counsel for the accused killers lived quite successful careers in elected office. Ironically enough, those who met difficulty subsequent to the acquittal were prosecutors, the sheriff, the Judge, and the Governor. The five who went to trial, as well as others involved in the murder plot all enjoyed notably successful careers according to Pres. Dallin H. Oaks and co-author Marvin S. Hill of "Carthage Conspiracy."
Maybe there were others who did
Well all I can say is it is Oaks word against another man who did extensive research. I lean toward the word of the book I read that was written many years ago.
They were murderers regardless of what happened to them
@@darcyharefeld211what book?
There is ALWAYS a price to opposition to the Prophets of God... The Church KNEW this the Corporation of the Church not so much.
Yes, prophets of God are often persecuted but so are false prophets.
Its so sad about how the old man was treated. Nobody should treat the elderly in such a cruel ways
As another pointed out, the only one who treated the old man badly was his own son. The others tried to help him with jobs, food, clothing, firewood, etc. But there is only so much people can do. I guess, if they could have done anything more, they could have been more forceful with his son. But even then, his son as bad as he was, might have been his primary means of support. Driving his son away could have made the situation worse. In the end, they did order his son out of the territory.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 How the son treated the Old man reminded me how I treated my uncle. Thank goodness I never beat him or harm him in anyway however I often Yell at him when he annoys or does something that annoys me. Though a sad story, may I learn from it and not be cruel towards him all the time.
@@JaythePandaren Yes. This story serves as a lesson for us all, doesn't it?
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 How the elderly are being treated now days, It should be a lesson to follow. In fact they should be honored because they suffered much and worked harder then all of us combined and don't forget they are also wise!
That you shared your stories.
Thank you
I'm sure that these accounts are only a few and there were likely many more who suffered similarly for their horrific evil deeds at Haun's Mill, in driving the Saints from Missouri, their expulsion from Nauvoo, and many persecutions of the righteous since. This documentary should serve well as a warning to people who persecute the righteous for their beliefs that the sword of justice from the Almighty will hang over them.
Yes. The blessings of God were withdrawn from them, and they were left to themselves. There was nothing left to stop the maggots from eating them alive.
How much each of us depends on God even for the very breath we draw, we rarely realize and give thanks. We rarely give thanks for the rivers and springs and wells that always give us life giving water. For the food we eat. When those blessings are withdrawn, our suffering is designed to advance our spirits into whatever kingdom we are destined to inherit.
I met a man online who was serving a mission with his wife and it turned out that he had been a missionary in Brazil at the time that I was there. I mentioned to him that we had gone to look at church historical sites but weather had prevented us from seeing Haun's mill. He replied that he had a grandfather who was killed at Haun's mill and I said, that's interesting. I had a grandfather who's brother was killed at Haun's mill (Mine, Tarylton Lewis was wounded there.) It turned out that we were 5th cousins.
The best blood that ever lived the prophet Joseph (dc 135)
Forever thank our ETERNAL PARENT'S, for restoring THE TRUE CHURCH back on earth, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
If you martyr a true prophet of God, expect to pay a certain price, and a hefty price indeed, especially for martyring the Prophet of the Restoration. These men may not have known fully who they had martyred, but they knew right from wrong I'm sure, and there may be some form of redemption for their souls in eternity, but you had better believe their remaining days in mortality were cursed henceforth from June 27th, 1844 until their dying breaths. If anything, tales like these make any non-believers pause, why did ALL the mobocrats suffer such horrible fates? It's because everything the Prophet Joseph Smith stood for and was called to do to restore the Gospel was true. He was the Lord's prophet, even his martyrdom testifies to and seals the earthly fates of these men.
"For every man receiveth wages of him whom he listeth to obey".
In every generation, the wicked have served a purpose for the spiritual benefit of the righteous. The persecutions the wicked inflict on the world, are a necessary test for the righteous to pass through.
Wow, what a horrible way to meet one's demise. The moral of the story is don't kill prophets.
Astonishing horrible stories. Very revealing. Thank you for sharing these.
Can you imagine the crucifiers and the Jewish leaders, how they felt once they passed to the other side of the veil? There’s a prophesy about it, it goes like this: When The Lord comes backs in His Glory, even the crucifiers will see him from the spirit world.
I feel sorry for those guys. They knew not what they did until it was too late. I kept thinking of the scripture in D&C 121 about kicking against the pricks and "cursed are those who lift up a heel against [the Lord's] anointed." What happened to them sounds much worse. Still, don't fight against Zion and her prophets, "yea, it shall be unto them, even as unto a hungry man which dreameth and behold he eateth by he awaketh and his soul is empty; or like unto a thirsty man which dreameth and behold he awaketh and behold he is faint and his soul hath appetite. " (Isaiah 29:3)
Yes, it is hard not to feel sympathy for them, seeing how badly many of them suffered. Knowing their punishment and suffering, caused the Savior while dying on the cross to ask the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. Joseph and Hyrum suffered but for a moment. The punishment for these men is eternal. Joseph Smith says the suffering we endure is for our everlasting good. Likewise the punishment these men endure, both in their lives and in the spirit world is for their everlasting good. It brings them to a state of mind to where the work of redemption is possible even for them.
So many times when I have read how so full of hate, cruelty and violence these men were. It always made me mad to read how they avoided any lawful punishment for their crimes. Yet, in reality, none of us will ever escape from a single thing. Sooner or later, each and every one of us, must return to face our sins and give an accounting for them. Every thought and every action is recorded in this short test called life. Like a teacher who grades right and wrong answers on a test, all of our thoughts and actions will likewise be graded as right or wrong. For those precious few who pass the test, will be given endless powers, dominions, glories and knowledge, and become joint heirs with Jesus Christ in all the fullness of the Father's endless kingdoms. For the rest, we will be rewarded according to our works and will become eternal servants. While some shall be forever banished from the earth into outer darkness.
Don’t feel sorry for them. They likely aren’t going to suffer for eternity in Hell like Smith and other Mormon “prophets” will.
@@ChaChaDancineternal suffering for finite deeds?? How does that work?
@@HaleStorm49 it works because God wills it to. You’ll need to take it up with Jesus, who taught more about the reality of Hell and its torments quite a bit.
@@ChaChaDancin I didn't ask why the LDS church is steamrolling sectarian little "c" christianity in every category that matters - but is that also God's will?
Wow I have never heard of this before. While I love Joseph Smith, and know for myself that he was a prophet of God, I would not wish this end upon anyone. I must think the Lord had warned each of them to stay home and they must have utterly refused. Very sad
Parley P. Pratt was on a mission back east during the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum. He says he had a terrible feeling of doom and started back for Nauvoo without knowing why. On his journey home, he received news of the martyrdom, and Americans everywhere were celebrating the news as though it were a great national triumph.
Read most of the newest comments on this video. People approve of his murder down to this very day.
Sad. Just like the Scribes, and Pharisees who saw the Son of God who they thought was a blasphemer and wicked man who needed to die.
Absolutely no one deserves to be treated disrespectfully
Except maybe those who bully others.
About 50 yrs ago I read the book, The fate of the killers of Joseph Smith and am glad to hear this affirmation of some of it's details. I have a comment which I believe relates to this narrative. Around the year 2000 there was a series on the PBS TV network about the civil war. In one of its episodes there was mention of a battle wherein the military unit called the Missouri Greys was destroyed. The episode said that every man of the Missouri greys was killed in that battle. I have wanted to verify it and read more about it, but have been unable to find more information about it. I would enjoy seeing any comments concerning this story.
That is the book where I got this account from, by Neils Lundwall. Fate of the persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He went to a lot of trouble to notarize statements wherever possible.
Would that documentary series about the civil war, been produced by Ken Burns? If so, I would like to look that up.
Thank you.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I don't remember now, but I could have been. At the time I think they called it a mini-series and it was replayed a year or later I think. If I am not mistaken the Missouri Greys were involved in the awful things that were done to the saints in Missouri and drove them out.
Joseph Smith told the mob they would one day see blood shed to their heart's content.
You should look up General Order #11, issued by the Union army in 1863 to the residents of five counties in western Missouri, including Jackson County. The same county which so violently expelled the Saints in 1834. This Union order did the same thing. Ordering all inhabitants of the county and five other counties to leave. Afterwards their homes were burned to the ground.
"1. All persons living in Jackson, Cass, and Bates counties, Missouri, and in that part of Vernon included in this district, except those living within one mile of the limits of Independence, Hickman's Mills, Pleasant Hill, and Harrisonville, and except those in that part of Kaw Township, Jackson County, north of Brush Creek and west of Big Blue, are hereby ordered to remove from their present places of residence within fifteen days from the date hereof. "
This order depopulated those counties. With the exception of Jackson County, the populations of some of the other counties, never recovered to this day.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Wow. I was not aware of that and some of what they left by obeying that order was no doubt ill-gotten gain from driving out the Mormons.
The Missouri Greys and those five counties received exactly the same actions they swore upon the mormons earlier. Karma. Only those with spiritual eyes will see this for what it is, the judgements of God eventually manifested.
President Oaks has done much research on this subject back when he was a law student at The University of Chicago. While a member of the Twelve he shared information about these events during a talk at General Conference.
My people homesteaded in St Thomas until the rising of Lake Mead. They had to leave their homes. I wonder how life would have been different had we been able to stay.
My toes were curled during several of these accounts. SHEESH! Lesson: Don't mess with the Lord's prophets.
Yes. It is tragic to contemplate their suffering. Those are the only types that deserve our pity.
I heard it was John Taylor and Willard Richards. I watched RUclips video called Who Killed Joseph Smith. Seemed accurate.
I mean no disrespect, but I believe you are just a product of the times we are living in. In the past, not even the most Mormon hating historian thought of that. Stories like that gain traction only because the population is now illiterate of history and gullible enough to believe in anything.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 🤣I sure am glad you meant no disrespect!!!🤣
I am sorry, but you should look at it from my perspective. John Taylor lived for decades after he saw Joseph Smith murdered. And in that time he never spoke ill words of Joseph Smith. He praised Joseph Smith kept his memory sacred until the day he died. Honestly, does this sound like a man who killed him? No it doesn't!
And then 140 years later, someone comes along and says John Taylor killed Joseph Smith. And some people are actually gullible enough to believe it.
Honestly. How else am I supposed to describe it?
Both Joseph Smith and and John Taylor hold a sacred place in my heart. I have studied the sermons of both of them, and I cannot help but feel a little offended and indignant when someone comes along and bears false witness against John Taylor.
There is a reason why bearing false witness against your neighbor is forbidden in the Bible. False accusations are character assassinations. And they can destroy a person just as much as if you physically harmed them. The rules of civilization demand we do not engage in such things, or else civilization will cease to function. You never accuse anyone in such a manner without hard evidence. You just don't do it.
You don't want anyone accusing you falsely. Then why do it to someone else? @@sisknothinbutruth2684
Hmmm. You've called me illiterate and gullible (twice!) So, my character is fine to obliterate? You don't know me. You know nothing of my background or education. I tell you that I watched a video that appeared accurate, and you call me names and claim I'm threatening the very fabric of society?! Did you watch it? Did you know John Taylor changed his story multiple times and lied about his watch being shot? Even the church says his watch wasn't shot. He was shot with a pistol, not a musket. He didn't go to court to testify against the accused in the mob, and they walked. Forensic evidence (Hyrum's skull) points to your idle being guilty. The Truth will come out. Perhaps it already has. If he's innocent, it will pan out. Society isn't going to crumble over it (unless perhaps certain members of society are still covering for the guilty parties and have more to lose than we know).
I love the voice over work in your video and I appreciate you taking the time to put this together.
I don't know you, but I know what you said here! I have studied these men all my life and to me even though they lived in a different era, Joseph Smith and John Taylor are like mentors to me. Like fathers. I have never read anything John Taylor said that would contradict himself. People always tell stories a little differently about significant events throughout their lives as they remember it and see it through differing perspectives and in differing contexts of the conversation. That is completely normal. It is a well known fact that a witness to a crime will tell a different story to the police vs. a year later when they testify in court. They still remember it. But they remember different details. Lawyers know this and try to work it in their favor. This is how the game is always played. And if you buy into it, this is how people get played.
If someone were to accuse one of your family members of some hideous crime, would you feel indignant about it? If you were a decent human being you would. @@sisknothinbutruth2684
That was hard to listen to for me as well. It was a just recompense, however I still had compassion on them. I am very thankful that Joseph Smith obeyed the calling of God to restore the fullness of the Gospel.
Yes, absolutely. The ones who need the most compassion are the ones who most fail this test of life. Like the Bishop Polycarp stated shortly before he was to be burned at the stake. His suffering by fire would last but for a moment. The suffering by fire of his tormentors would be eternal.
Shortly before the death of the Savior, He asked forgive them father, for they know not what they do, knowing the fate that awaits them.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524and Joseph Smith went unwillingly to Carthage, then died there in a gun fight. Truly a martyr like Polycarp and others…
i like to see more programmes on tv about life in mormon homes this is the interesting relegions in world i once knew a preist in the mormon church in 1975 peter holding of the highgate chuch was a menber peter now lives in hatfield herts
They are really not all that different from any other home or community. Either in the present or in the past. A great many of the early immigrants to Utah from the 1850s to 1900s were from western Europe, primarily the UK. They desired to assimilate as much as possible, but brought their cultures with them for the most part.
Like 23 ( 30-31 ) 30.Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, fall on us ; and to the hills , cover , us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree , what shall be done in the dry of fall
GOD the Eternal FATHER & GODDESS the Eternal MOTHER, restored THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS back on earth.
President Dakin H Oaks was tasked with researching the claims in this book many years ago & refuted most of the claims
“What became of the killers of Joseph smith the prophet?” The each were future prophets of the Brigham young following of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Aka “Brighamites”
Another accusation with no basis in fact. The real reason you and others are gullible enough to believe any and every lie about him is because you believe in your stony hearts that Joseph Smith deceived the world.
"28. Verily, verily, I say unto you, wo be unto him that lieth to deceive because he supposeth that another lieth to deceive, for such are not exempt from the justice of God." D&C 10:28
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 you should really not use a verse from the same book that is in question to try to prove that it is true. lol. It’s like saying I know the Book of Mormon is true because the Book of Mormon says it’s true. There again is an intellectually dishonest argument.
@@jeremyfrisbie239 So what are you then? Are you an atheist? So because you detest the message you attack the messengers by making false accusations against them?
Let's analyze your argument that this verse I quoted to you is false.
In the Bible, in the ten commandments tells us that we are not to bear false witness against our neighbor. These laws have been known since ancient times to preserve and build a civilized society. Our modern form of government is built on it. U.S. Courts used to acknowledge the ten commandments until atheists began declaring they were offended by it.
When you bear false witness against your neighbor you are committing character assasination. This has been known to take a person's life every bit as much as if you committed the act physically. To disobey these laws as led to bitterness, strife, and even wars. And has destroyed civilizations.
This verse I quoted to you basically says if you break God's laws, you are not exempt from justice. It is a fundamentally truthful statement.
There is another higher law of Christ that says you should esteem your neighbor as yourself. By your words you have demonstrated that you are lawless before God.
All of the Twelve Apostles in the Church under Joseph Smith who remained in the Church, never uttered a negative word against Joseph Smith after his death all the rest of their lives. They always spoke of him with praise, love and respect. And they did it many thousands of times spanning half a century. They talked of it daily. There is no possible way such a people could have done what you have accused them of doing. It is not rational to believe such a thing. There are also numerous eye witnesses from the mob, Joseph Smith's sworn enemies who have confessed what they saw and did.
To be so gullible and irrational as to believe what you have accused, shows that your one and only motive for believing it is out of pure hatred, and nothing more. You don't realize or don't care how gullible and irrational you have presented yourself in public.
I happened upon this book on my mission 30 years ago. I certainly think it’s all possible, but I wonder about the truth of it all. I’ve never heard one way or another. Sure is interesting though.
Neils Lundwall the compiler of this book, went to a lot of trouble to notarize eye witness statements wherever possible to establish it as being true. Of course there are plenty of people both inside and outside the church who make the claim they are false.
But these same people also dispute many of the stories accepted by the early Church.
One prominent example is where Joseph Smith and several early members of the Church talk about the extreme religious rivalries in upstate New York at the time Joseph Smith inquired of the Lord which of the Churches was true. Most opposition Christian groups now claim that wasn't ever true, and they point to a lack of newspaper articles that mention it. But if you visit Palmyra, at one of the main intersections in the town you will see four competing churches with magnificent steeples on each corner of the intersection.
It is like that with every thing in early Mormonism. The groups that dispute the truthfulness of it seem endless. Most people will hear all the anti Mormon stuff first and believe it, and then their minds are forever closed to ever considering it.
It was like that in early Christianity as well. Most people in the ancient world believed every horrible thing ever said about Christians before they ever met one, and they were filled with hate and rage over it.
People are free to believe or disbelieve everything according to the free agency God gave them. God wants us to choose, so we can be judged in the end according to the record of our works and choices both good and bad. Before I made these videos, for years i have shared the content of many of my videos with members of the Church, and I would say the majority of them rejected them and dismissed me as a fool for believing such things.
Like Solomon says, there is no new thing under the sun. There is nothing that happens, that hasn't happened over and over again before.
The men that murdered Joseph and Hyrum wasn't "the mob". It was Willard Richards and John Taylor at the behest of Brigham Young. Curious that the ball lodged in John Taylor's watch is the same caliber as the pistol secretly given to Joseph by Porter Rockwell. According to testimony given in court proceedings the mob outside the jail was about 50 yards away. At that range a 28 caliber ball would not have enough power to force a man back into the building which was Taylor's story. Richards and Taylor stained with Joseph and Hyrum's blood accompanied Brigham to Utah where Willard Richards helped Brigham change church records, documents and journals. John Taylor became the next president of the church Brigham Young usurped.
And for the rest of their lives, every single one of these men never said a negative word against Joseph Smith. In fact, in their tens of thousands of pages of speeches, writings and sermons, they praised the memory of Joseph Smith daily, and truly mourned his loss.
That would not be possible if they really did do what you are accusing them of. But facts are an inconvenient thing for the historically challenged.
The Scriptures say that Lucifer accused the brethren night and day before the Father before he rebelled and fell from heaven. Joseph Smith has been accused night and day ever since his death. That alone tells us all we need to know who is true friends are. Even President Trump is accused of everything under the sun night and day by the legions of haters. The spirit of accusation is from the devil.
Prophet's of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: ADAM-MALACHI-JOSEPH SMITH-RUSSELL M. NELSON.
Thanks for posting this video! It's unfortunate that the early Saints adapted the nickname "Mormon". The Lord has reprimanded us for this, saying that "To remove the Lord's name from the Lord's church, is a major victory for Satan." (2018 General Conference) Mormon was a great prophet, but he would not want us to call the Church after him.
Sorry! I don't subscribe to cancel culture. The Lord never said that. Do not put words into the Lord's mouth. It is very inappropriate and sacrilegious. You should know better. Nobody removed the name from the Lord's Church. Not ever. In the twentieth century, whenever a nation or a movement was taken over, they always forbade the use of names and words. They tore down statues and rewrote history.
For decades, the name Jesus Christ has been forbidden in public schools in many western nations. In places like Germany, young people become extremely uncomfortable when the name is mentioned. I am not going to give in to censorship.
Everything you just told me, runs contrary to the principles of free agency and tolerance. To live by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God, found in the book of Mormon and elsewhere. And to not put one's trust in the arm of flesh.
He was not a Prophet.
i guess that joseph smith has forgiven the people who killed him
Some left THE TRUE CHURCH, now up w/their endless excuses, lies, & deceit.
my family were from Hoytsville and Wilde are married into. I have never heard about anything like this.
In reference to the first story cited here , all the prophecies in the world do not absolve the people who witness this treatment of someone that we are sworn to love and care for according to the scriptures, and yet did nothing while this man was tortured on a daily basis. I hope they find their just Rewards as well. Reveling in people's misery while christ, our example prayed for forgiveness for those who murdered him, what a Despicable way to live your life and claim to be of God. I've always liked the church but there are frequently times when I meet people who have no business calling themselves Christian that are still in the church.
It is unfortunate the way his son treated him for sure. It sounds like someone should have intervened. Fortunately, it is not our place to judge.
From this video it sounds like some of those people were kind to the suffering. If you don't what is wrong with someone it is pretty hard to help them much other then with food. And that is what some of these people did.
44 hawk what are you saying? People watching while someone has been tortured and not doing anything? And are saying we should pray to forgive the murderer? And bcuz we don’t we should not call ourselves as Christian? I’m confused.
Gotta remember their entire religion is based on demonstrably false claims of Smith. Even now they sing songs about the “Earth must atone for his blood”. That’s what led to mountain Meadows massacre and people posting and reveling in sick videos like this.
I find it hard to believe that any of the gentiles that were in that mob would move to Utah.
You don't understand the power of a guilty conscience then?
I tead the accounts of the deaths of every mob member who murdered Joseph and his brother. They all died excruciating horrid deaths.
No. No they didn’t
CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, didn't start on earth, it started, in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE.
YES!
Justice being served.
Scriptures of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: Bible, Book Of Mormon, D&C & Pearl Of Great Price.
That was hard to listen to, but the consequence of ones actions.
It was a rough crowd in those days.
Wow...!
Very interesting!
Interesting, but these people were non members. If they had been members and entered into the covenant. Don't know how their punishment could have been even greater.
Heaven only knows what eternal punishments are in store for each of us. The Scriptures say that where so ever is the greater light, so also is greater the glory or greater the condemnation. Whatever punishments we receive, we can be assured it will be according to God's perfect system of justice. Joseph Smith in the King Follett sermon, said even when we are forgiven of our sins, we are not totally released from our responsibility for them. An early Christian once said, we either pay for our sins in this life, or in the life to come, until there is a perfect restitution for all things.
Maybe joseph was like the savior and proclaimed something along the lines of" Father forgive them for they know not what they do." But who knows, we know from the scriptures God smites who He wants but up to us not to be like" that's what you get!"
That is true. We are not to judge. We are all sinners ourselves. But it serves as a warning.
so are there mormons in hertfordshire who attend a mormon church whats it like on a sunday
It seems like I remember something was said, back in my primary days, of the man that murdered Joseph and Hiram.I heard something bad happened to them and that's about it. And something about Brigham Young. And now you bring this story into the spotlight. Those are pretty horrible death. No telling how many more stories are out there of similar circumstance. A lesson learned, don't mess with the Lord's people. I believe what the scripture saying are true. I believe the flesh-eating worms will happen again to somebody in the future probably even now. It seems like also, a few other Generations after would suffer something.
It says somewhere if I remember correctly, that if His people repent God will preserve His people and fight their battles for them even if it so be that He must rain fire upon the wicked.
But that is the key word repent. We must repent and turn from our wicked ways.
There will come a day when no weapon formed against God's people will prosper. There will go forth a cry among the wicked that let us not go up unto Zion to battle for the inhabitants thereof are terrible. One will stand against a thousand, and two against ten thousand.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 you're right, sometimes we forget the power of our Lord God. The stories you uncovered, should cause us to have more faith and understanding when we read our scriptures of truth. The Prophecies of 2nd Nephi chapters 26 through chapter 30, will give us some clue what we are facing now and later. I think if I was one of these killers of Joseph Smith, I believe I would rather spend the rest of my life in prison repenting, instead of dying the way they did. But look at the brighter side, all of this, helped to enforce this Nation to enforce the Constitution even for the slaves. A very sad ending for some, blossomed A New Beginning for better, good came from tragedy. You can take the scriptures, tragedy come to many of the chosen ones of the Lord, then the Lord changed the tragedy into a greater good for the people afterwards. Hopefully we all can learn a valuable lesson from the story also.
@@leswalker2639 I also think that these horrible punishments are for their own sake so they can repay in some way their evil deeds and receive mercy on the other side of the Vail. My thoughts though.
@@dianacollazo5987 you could be right. I don't think I would like to start out my life being cruel to people. I know some that has started out that way back in those old days and even now. My thinking is, if I don't commit the ACT, I don't have to take the extra years out of my life to repent for it. I learned early in life by watching other people's mistakes turn into tragedies and longtime repentance , that was a Learning lesson for me . There is a lot of hate and anger for people if you let Satan's missionaries influence your life. The mercy of the Lord is wonderful and that's all we know here on Earth at this time. In the next life we have time to purify ourselves through Jesus Christ and his Mercy to teach us differently then what has been taught here on the Earth, with so much opposition here and in the next life we will have a opposition also depending. You are absolutely right, those who hate and have anger are the sons and daughters of God also. I look at Earthly life somewhat like Spirit prison. And they were somewhat disobedient also.
a friend of mine has been sitting here beside me........listening to what is being told by this person.......there are 2 sides to every story for sure.....when talking about how many of those people died... the men that killed JOSEPH SMITH.... when referring to the worms etc... probably the water was contaminated... also.. back then.. what did anyone know of whatkind of CANCER there was.. or how it spread... also.. we all talk or see what we as INDIVIDUALS... so. what we each see as INDIVIUALS is a different story fro eacg different person.........FOR SURE...OUR LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST does work in MYSTERIOUS WAYS......both of us ..sitting here... find it HARD TO BELIVE THAT OUR LORD WOULD PUNISH ANYONE SO HORRIBLE....IF IT IS OR WAS A DISEASE???????? WE ALL WILL CONTINUE TO BELIEVE AS WE EACH DO.INDIVIDUALY.......THAT IS OUR LORD/GODS WAY OF BEING SURE .... THAT WE ARE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE TO OURSELVES....BEING BORN AS HUMANS SPERATLY BUT DIFFERENT... THAT IS CALSO CALLED.... FREEDOM OF SPEECH
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Wow...
How could the old man’s feet be burned in the cabin fire when the narrator said earlier that he had lost his feet? Also, why would the old man refer to The Prophet as “Old Joe Smith” when he was a young man at time of his murder?
The story said his toes rotted off his feet and he was crippled. It does not say he lost his feet. The mobocrats, and his enemies have always referred to Joseph Smith as "Joe" or "old Joe" down to the present day. It is a sign of contempt and disrespect. In contrast, those who love him always refer to him as Joseph, or the "prophet joseph." Joseph Smith was 39, in his early middle age.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Joseph Smith died at age 38. He died in June and would’ve turned 39 in December, had he lived.
If your LDS you are deceived badly, sadly
Almost sounds like leprosy
Yes. I thought the same thing.
Killed the ancient Prophets, Apostles, our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST; Also, killed the modern Prophet, JOSEPH SMITH, nothing new.
A very sad tale
Not only is this BS, but it’s also a sick revenge fantasy right out of “praise to the man”.
What are you talking about?
They became the first the first whig party presidents of the united states Abraham Lincoln & Ulysses s Grant & Came to Utah and took back the priesthood from the blacks and scraped the school of prophets that anyone could come learn and talked freely in ideas that Joseph Smith started to watch and look for a prophet that was to come on earth from the descendants of Joseph and Aaron
Do you mean after the killed him or where they will go to live eternally?
There were hundreds of men involved in the murder of Joseph Smith. These accounts were compiled by a Church historian who searched far and wide to find some of the accounts of what happened to some of them. It does not document what happened to all of them.
Let God be true and ever man be a liar. (Romans 3:4).. Anyone contradicting the word of God cannot be a prophet of God. We are in a serious place if at any point or minds can block out the clear and obvious words of God. Abide and live by every word of God and be the true children of your Father in heaven. satan is very cunning. Only by sticking to every word of the Lord (Matthew 4:4 )can we defeat his great deception. He that hath an ear let Him hear.
Clickbait title are extremely annoying. It's deceptive
I am thinking that this is folklore. Probably Lundwall mostly created. I acknowledge that at first I at first believed the stories to be truthful but then latter I became aware of my own bias towards the Church and the prophet . A few things now strike me odd. Why relay the story of the old man Brooke (the mobocrat) by way of affidavit? Wouldn't you think the reason to make an affidavit would be to relay a statement that runs counter to current thought of the time? It seems this statement of facts is done as if having a fore-knowledge of future times when the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith is not looked upon with kindness. I would say affidavit does not necessarily imply truthfulness. I wonder why affidavit? Also the stone that rolled down from the hillside to cover his grave does not appear like a stone capable of rolling.
It seems to me that the objective of Lundwall having eye witness accounts notarized is clear. It was for the sake of the legions of doubting Thomases who choose not to believe it.
Dr. John Widtsoe wrote in the forward to this book:
"Certainly this book will be read with challenging interest by the members of the Church and by others. We should be grateful to the compiler for the long hours of tedious work spent in making the compilation." -JOHN A. WIDTSOE
I do not remember the story about some stone rolling down a hill to cover Brooke's grave. I always thought his marker was concrete made by a boy scout project to mark his grave after the original marker deteriorated. It is not in the book I read from.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Yeah the 'stone rolling' information came from research done @
kamasvalleyhistory.org/2020/10/31/tales-from-the-graveyard/
(at the end of the article) also there was questions raised about the life quality of the 5 men that were tried in a court-of-law over the death of Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum. Have a look at the historical document above and tell me if this changes your feelings somewhat.
@@williamandersen4633
Whether the rock rolled there, or it was placed there does nothing to verify or falsify the eyewitness accounts of this man Brooks. In many ways the rock is irrelevant to the story.
There were hundreds of men involved in the murder of Joseph Smith. This book does not say that all of them suffered an ill fate. Only the ones that could be found and documented by Lundwall through eye witness accounts were included in his book. Most men in the 19th century lived quiet lives. There was no mass media or facebook to document every detail of their lives. If many more or no more suffered, it is unlikely to be documented outside their own circle of acquaintances.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Yeah but I think Ezra Taft Benson has commented to children during a trip to Carthage and that here say was reported by his family. I could find the Link if necessary. The real point that seems more important is if we as people who feel to guard the memory of the beloved prophet Joseph Smith will choose to believe things that are not true because of confirmation bias, this tendency can cause us to error which can make us susceptible to false doctrine and be deceived. I am trying to avoid that in my own personal life and realize I have this bias to fight. peace.
Folklore and fantasy are the foundations of mormonism. Just because no thinking person would believe the whole sham hasn't stopped it
I would like to point out the following.
It was the Mormon church who attacked Christianity first when Joseph Smith said that "all the churches are wrong and an abomination before God..." (Joseph Smith---History 1:19). For over 193 years the Mormon church has supported their racists doctrine that all blacks are cursed by God. Let me quote from one of your prophets:
"You must not think that I am opposed to slavery. No! The Negro is damned, and is to serve his master till God chooses to remove the curse of Ham..."
---prophet Brigham Young
Journal of Discourses, V.2, pp 142-143.
Let's go back in time to September 1857 in which "Mormons" led by John D Lee murdered 120-140 innocent men, women, and CHILDREN of the Baker-Fancher wagon train. Later before his death John D Lee confessed that Brigham Young gave him the order to kill all those innocent people. And to add insult to the victims, the Mormon church names a university after Brigham Young (BYU).
Most recently the Mormon church has settled multi-million dollar sexual assault lawsuits against the Mormon church.
So please, don't stand there thinking you have some kind of "moral high ground" on everyone else. When the Mormon church has caused so much pain and suffering to this day.
I am not a Mormon. I am reading the Book of Mormon. I believe God honored Jospeh Smith with the ability to translate. May God have mercy on all of us. Be kind, be merciful and let God be the judge. We are to serve God.
@Paula Nix
Mormons teach that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about this claim in:
GALATIANS 1:6-9
"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..."
There you are, God telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith.
So who would you rather believe?
A. God Himself to lead you through life.
OR
B. The words of *one man* Joseph Smith and trusting him with your eternity (heaven or hell).
@@AlbertJLouie and it's written in Deuteronomy also, that is why Jewish people don't believe Jesus is the Christ. Mr. Louie, I believed and felt the same way you do for 50 years. I would never have anything to do with mormons. Until I was spiritually struggling between goodness and evilfavoredness. My spirit was battling and the Book of Mormin, in plain English, explained exactly what is written in the Holy Bible...I say this as a witness to God, our Creator, and his holiness....God can do whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's all His!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints exhibits love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control. I don't attend however because of the images of Jesus. I believe it violates the 1st and 2nd commandment. I worship God at home, God's word and fellowship with people.
@@AlbertJLouie the Book of Mormon has a recurring theme: repent of your sins and be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.
@Paula Nix
But when you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
Horrible curses I heard😮...
Horror story.
I wish i could have helped the old man.
There are literally millions of homeless people all across this land. In every large city, there are poor beggars, each with personal challenges not unlike this old man. If you want to help someone, there are no shortages of opportunities.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524
It's a sad fate for someone who helped bring a paedo fraudster to justice.
@@marksandsmith6778 I see the principles of liberty and tolerance enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and the ten commandments in the Bible are lost on you.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524
I dont remember Fraud child marriage and simony on the Constitution.
Wow!!!
Yes they did.
A nice relaxing retirement?
They ended up in SLC running the church
Don't know anything about that, but two hundred years ago there was this story: Watch "The Enemy Within" about two hundred men in the Church at Nauvoo, who entered into a secret combination against Joseph Smith.
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This Sounds like a Bunch of Hog Wash!! & Evil on top of Evil never produces Good??!!
I can’t believe this act was a crime!! No one should be condemned for their action against Smith.
No one should be condemned for committing a murder? Well that is just brilliant! You probably just said that in ignorance without knowing how serious it is.
" 8 He that continueth in sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning...
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." 1 John 3.
You support those who brag details about killing the Smith Brothers, only the killers would know? You're saying their actions of murders should not be condemned? You're stupid, it is like my actions should not be condemned for killing your family. Those men involved in the murders deserve to suffer like Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith mother Lucy and family had to go through with no justice.
Murder is murder and no one had that right, even if he is a false prophet.
Only the meek and lowly in heart are acceptable to God, and are able to recognize a true prophet, just as only the pure in heart received the Savior Himself. Those who reject the Lord's prophets are influenced by that same being who incited the ancient Jews to crucify their Lord. Beware, lest ye find yourself fighting against God.
Joseph Smith boasted that he had done more than Christ and his Apostles, he 'translated ' (changed) the Bible, and also made numerous false prophesies in God's name, perhaps unsurprisingly he died in jail, in custody, gun in hand in a desperate shootout at an early age.
Yeah I have heard you guys say that exact same thing for thirty years. Over and over and over again. It does not matter how many times it gets answered, it keeps coming back. You would think after all this time you would come up with something original to attack him with. But you can't. You copy each other and consider nothing more. Not an original thought among the whole lot of you. You probably haven't had an original thought in your entire life. Just run with the herd and whatever you do, don't think for yourself.
Joseph Smith never boasted about anything. He never made any such claims. Stop listening to mindless gossip and choosing to remain ignorant. You're not a robot. Those who sincerely want to know the truth will read The Book of Mormon and seek a witness from God that it is true.
Wtf is up with all the rotting?!? Sounds like they had really bad hygiene back then. Just curious though, how many people rotted to death like that back then, that didn't kill any morons? If so, what were they being punished for?
Assumptions.....
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Lol. Prophet. What future prophecy did he give that came true? Let he help you. None!!!
pRoPhEt 🤡
False prophet.
that's been my understanding as well
Prophet?
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Self-claimed
@@richardholmes5676 Where is my good friend, I miss you.
@@paulgregersen3570 Eh there Paul. I'm still around.
@@richardholmes5676 How have you been? It seems like a year since I've missed you. Glad you are there.
reading this I have 100% contempt for Mormonism
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS is, the only, TRUE CHURCH.
What became a LIAR Joseph Smith. ?
?
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Joseph Smith was instrumental in restoring to the earth the same Church that Jesus Christ established on the earth. It really doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not.
He was not a prophet that’s blasphemy. He is burning in hell for rewriting the Bible. It’s a cult
Obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even a basic clue.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I’m sure you were raised Mormon and believe that. Read the true Bible. See how smith added 25 verses in Genesis and modified Mark
@Amp928 What is your opinion of Mark 16:16-18? Do you realize that most Christians that believe as you do are now saying those verse weren't added until the fifth century? That it was not really written by Mark and should not be taken literally?
Why do Christians say Mormons are wrong and the Bible is the complete infallible word of God, while at the same time reject Mark 16?
Why did the Protestants take the Apocrypha out of the Bible if it is infallible? Why were there more books in the oriental orthodox Bibles than the Roman Catholic Bible?
@Amp928
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.'
Christ's Apostles were already baptized so he wasn't speaking strictly to them. Christ was speaking to everyone. So why do Christians not believe in that?
Christ was in the form of a man. After He was resurrected, He could be seen and felt. John laid his head on the chest of Jesus.
Man was created in the image of God.
"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 33:11
"6 Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" Numbers 12
"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Gen. 32:30
You were never a Mormon were you? You betray yourself by your ignorance. If you ever were a member of the Church, you left it without knowing a thing about it.
@Amp928 You mean all the "Joseph Smith was a 33 degree mason..." hearsay nonsense? I would rather stand or fall on the message of the man, rather than listen to all personal attacks against the messenger. That is the worst thing any Christian can do, to condemn a man based merely on the gossip about him. it speaks volumes about what kind of a person you are if that is what you want me to respond to.