Yeah but Torva is an armor set. I like the pattern Jagex has created with capes being largely untradeable and used as flex pieces. Just because people can "buy" Infernal capes by breaking the rules doesn't actually make them tradeable. The new bis mage cape should def be untradeable, but I agree with the rest.
To address all of Gnome's replies: 1) The cape could be a guaranteed drop on a certain floor, or be a chance to drop that scales up. Either way, that doesn't necessarily mean the cape should be tradeable. 2) Precedent is a big deal to players; this game exists on the promise of blending the old with the new. Flat out saying that "precedent doesn't matter" is throwing out the baby with the bath water. 3) Mage Arena 2 isn't prestigious content. Neither is Vorkath or Fight Caves. But we liked when the better versions of those capes were untradeable, because it added prestige to those capes. 4) The Inferno drops literally *nothing* besides capes, and you can use those to cash in for pet chance. The Inferno is proof that you don't need capes to be tradeable to give them *some* sort of value to players to get repeatedly. Especially when you mentioned "the cape being big profit will feel good", but you're already getting profit elsewhere. If people have fun running Inferno for "0 profit + untradeable cape", then surely people can have fun running this boss for "lots profit + untradeable cape". 5) Literally every instance of "Getting a drop that's worth a bunch of money that you can sell" feels good. So does "Grinding a hard boss to get your first untradeable cape drop". One of those is much rarer in-game than the other, and I think that side shouldn't cede ground to the other. 6) Just because someone bought their cape doesn't make *earned* capes less prestigious. The "people can already buy capes" argument works against literally every untradeable item, and I doubt you'd support Infernal capes being made tradeable, so why should we follow this argument at all?
I would 100% love if they went back and made kits and other capes tradable. There is a lot of reasons inferno is successful but also not. There's a reason the community who continues to run inferno even after getting their cape is virtually non-existent. It's either wr runners or slayer task, and CAs nobody just wakes up and just pops into Inferno. Especially not the average player. Colosseum has the same issues BUT because you can make money there it's vastly more popular. See the key there, money incentive. Saying people should only care about untradable and prestige, then just play an Ironman. Stop making everyone cater to your feelings about how important or not important a video game item is. Even if everything is tradable, you can still "earn" your cape yourself or get the drop yourself. No one is forcing you to go to the G.E and buy the new cape. The prestige in this game is not capes, it's kits like fang kit (less so now with boosting), Blorva, Zuk helm, etc.
Im glad someone is saying this about the boots. Like honestly wtf are yall expecting? It's all three boots plus extra stats. You literally cannot ask for more. No switches, better stats=huge upgrades. This is best in slot boots period.
I would have been happy if they just made a range boot with range strength. Why are "bis" pegs almost usless in most situations where holy sandals is more value
I also like that it's not necessary if you're just focusing on one style (except ranged). If you're only taking melee with no switches, Prims aren't lacking.
My thinking was that prims are so good, and the rest of the boots aren't that great, so most people don't bother bringing a boots switch to a lot of content. If it's not getting max hits/worth a switch now, then the upgrade isn't super worth it.
@ALittleMessi where do you use holy sandals other than inferno maybe? I'm an echo boots guy myself. Basically any content I'm rocking echo boots. I could see the case where holy sandals may help in the new delve but again echos have prayer and im usually using suffering or justi so I would never use holy sandals outside of inferno.
I would prefer each thrall having a different type of attack. I theoried mage never misses (can hit through any prayer for example), the melee has an extra max hit (0-4) to make up for the melee distance, and the range has infinite (or longer) range, to hit enemies a thrall generally couldn't.
19:30 the issue is the ma2 cape is not prestige while we think it's cool that inferno and quiver are. Nobody thinks all 3 capes we have right now are prestige we just want it to be. The cape slot feels like the achievement slot, its not just pvm. Diary cape, 99 capes, quest cape, lms capes, raid kc capes, none are tradeable. I agree with this boss needing a farmable drop, i would just have it be ranger boots so we get a non-clue way of obtaining pvm upgrades. Capes should be for achievments, Clues should be for cosmetics
If by “ranger boots” you mean a new set of boots that give range strength I think I agree. But if it was just another source of ranger boots I strongly disagree. Mains should be able to get something better from pvm
This!!!!! Clues should be cosmetic only. You also beautifully put into words on how i feel about the cape slot. Its like it for the glove slot too imo.
@@SaniOsrs I think it would be cool for every spoke of the combat triangle to have it's own untradeable bis cape. But I also agree that rewards from this type of boss should be tradeable to provide adequate incentive to keep grinding/pushing further. Would rather a new bis mage cape come from a standalone encounter, maybe something fast and intense akin to awakened bosses since inferno is long asf and colo is also a decent chunk of time
I think a quite good solution to the Eldritch Veil Untradeable Vs Tradeable is to keep the cape tradable but only allow it to be equipped if the person has completed Level 8 of the Delve. This way it still remains a good drop to get, it should still have a large market for selling it and also retain some level of prestige that I feel BIS capes should have.
I like damage reduction effects. I think the fact that extra dps is best 90% of the time really limits gear design, its why I liked how perilous moons go for barrows gear instead of the typical fighter torso/obby because of the lifesteal.
Different effects for each thrall type would be best imo, allows for a lot of different and interesting concepts (and maybe even different effects in the future with a different consumable). Something like a pseudo execute effect would be cool, increased (maybe doubled?) damage below 10% HP would be interesting, we dont really have any execute effects in the game atm, and either this or a spec weapon would be appropriate I think. To combo with this, you could have a thrall doing a mini ruby bolt proc, something like 1% of bosses remaining health capped at 10, something like that would be interesting. I think the big thing would be to let thralls combo off each other, having different thralls be optimal for different parts of a fight would be really interesting, and add depth to the arceuus spellbook/thralls in general, as currently its kinda just summoning mage thrall almost always.
I can sympathize with the "cape slot is an achievement slot" folk. Would be cool if they then replaced the cape reward with a different tradable upgrade. Money makers are good! Not all of us are irons and shouldn't have to play that way!
What upgrade would you like to see? The only 2 other mage slots that are "due" for an upgrade are gloves and ammy. Part of the desirability IMO is fashionscape aspects, ammy and gloves dont hit the same as a cape or armor. A big reason people get the infernal cape is it just looks so sick, they missed the mark there on the quiver BIGTIME IMO.
18:14 i think your pretty right on this that if they want an endless system that scales drops then it should be be all tradable stuff, but i also agree that its kind of lame that the trade off here is the mage cape is tradable/weaker as a result (i'm pretty sure why they don't want it to be a huge upgrade over ma2 cape is because it is tradable, its only suppose to be another item/tiny upgrade/for profit filler item). maybe the caves need a different reward then a mage cape which is tradable and there should be another more inferno/colosseum type content that gives a better non tradable mage cape upgrade maybe what alot of people are really saying here is they want a mage cape version of inferno/colesseum as people keep making these comparisons, while jagex is just trying to make this another drop which ppl will buy if they havn't done ma2 or for situations where they dont need prayer, will be a "niche" upgrade along with the demon weapon, while the boots are the major profit it does feel a bit out of norm though to give a ma2 cape upgrade that isn't suppose to be a proper/always upgrade like infernal cape or quiver
17:24 i believe this cape is a place holder/leapfrog item that will be upgraded by a mage based, wave based, inferno 3.0. Its not. Tbh i think this boss should instead drop an upgrade or replacement for the nerfed occult neck. Save the cape slot for inferno 3.
With a straight face, Cersei Lannister looked me in the eyes, and spoke the words: "There has never been a precedent for capes being tied to prestige in osrs" Idk which of us is on the pipe, but it's someone
@@eatprayglove Some? you mean nearly all? you do realize that its well over 90% of the game are paying for infernal capes. Hell even back in 2018 mod emily showed us stats on bought inferno capes and even then it was over 77%, and that was back when they could catch and ban them.
There has never been a prededent for it. a single minigame from 2006 had an untradable bis cape for melle, every other cape has been obtained from a quest, or loot, or bought in a shop with the exception of the ardy cloak. For some reason because the inferno exists, people just said "ohh so every cape will be bis untradable from a wave based minigame now" Which makes no fucking sense, its an entire equipment slot. they have zero reason to do this. or precedent.
@straight2thepoint790 To be fair, there's always been some sense of accomplishment with capes in rs as far back as classic. Classic had blue capes locked to the Champion's Guild shop NPC, making them prestigious, then the Cape of Legends came out which was untradeable and quest locked (Required every quest on release), then the Fire Cape was released in RS2 which was untradeable and from a boss, then they took it a step further with Infernal Cape which came from an even harder encounter in OSRS. They followed this formula with the quiver, and now people are reasonably expecting the Mage Cape to follow the trend.
@@straight2thepoint790 learning colo and inferno for the first time was some of the most fun I've had playing osrs. By asking Jagex to reserve the new mage cape for a similarly difficult challenge, we have the potential to get more fun end game content. Sounds like a win to me
I have a hunch they will be including league's grimoire as a megarare into the game at some point, can see the grimoire being chargable with the thrall consumables
32:52 no joke, if they added ranger boots or a ranger boot equivalent that could be used to get the tribrid boots from the new slayer mobs, even if it takes twice as long to grind it from them over actually doing medium clues, i'd prefer the mob method. i just hate clues.
I think all they have to do is keep the base cape tradeable but give it 1 or 2 kits once you get farther and farther into delves. For example if you clear delve 50 then your cape becomes animated. As for the thralls the upgrade I would like to see is having the thrall drain prayer over time while in combat so that I don't have to keep resummoning them. I also think having 1 thrall with typeless dmg sounds nice
I think them adding an option you could menu swap to left or shift click that allows you to select a tile to summon the thrall on would be cool. Also like the minimum hit =1 and max being upped to 4 edit- bookless summoning requires it being needed to be equiped elseware so id say no to that. Maybe when the currency is added to the book it gives +20 mage and +3-5% damage. Buffs single handed staffs then too.
I like the idea of the consumable giving the thralls some hp, as opposed to being on a timer. It can be very low, but it would require the boss your fighting to target it for a single attack, or more depending on hp and boss hit. When casting this version of the thrall, it uses the new consumable, and no prayer points.
An interesting change to thralls would be able to add the ability for them to take the aggro of whatever you're targeting and give them a small amount of HP (whilst avoiding it turning into summoning lite). You wouldn't want this to be active all the time, so maybe you can click on the consumable in your gear/inventory and the thrall then grabs aggro.
How about instead of a mage cape upgrade, save that for later content similar to inferno/colosseum so that people can have their “prestigious cape achievement” idea (which I’m in the same boat for) and just make it an upgrade to the occult instead? That way it can still be tradable and profit and we can get a mage arena 3 untradable cape upgrade later down the line. I understand that A LOT of people have bought their capes, but for those who haven’t it keeps the prestigious aspect. The idea also to make it so you have to complete a delve 8 to equip the thing just keeps the shady market of buying capes a thing, and for those who buy it off the GE and can’t do it will still just buy the service. Making it an amulet upgrade just immediately makes both sides happy.
Like other people have mentioned here they could add a blorva-esq kit to the cape after a predetermined delve level is reached. That way you have your prestige and the money maker.
32:15 as an iron i hope to fuck if we get new 3 pairs of boots that build on these that we can use the avernic catalyst as the base, i am NOT grinding out 3 pairs of rangers and 3 pairs of crystals for boots that is such an unreasonable amount of time commitment
At some point I remember Fortnite added an emote that let people show how many wins they got. I think you could add something similar with the cape either via an emote or apply a similar concept to raids kc capes via a kit that signifies you made it to a certain delve threshold. Still sellable and those that want the in game clout for delving deep can show off how far they got.
it doesn't need to be a cape, could be an upgrade to the current nerfed occult. save the cape to be a prestige item for when they have content to support that
The point is that no cape is prestigious when most people buy their capes in the first place. It's a false sense of prestige and gatekeeps them from ever making upgraded capes unless it comes from content like Inferno/Colosseum which will get stale.
@@GnomonkeyRS Just for extra context on what Gnome's saying here. Based upon the cape sellers themselves (of which there are countless) and several runescape documentaries that have covered this. Its been added up to about 94% of the existing infernal capes in game are paid capes. out of the roughly 110k infernal capes that exist in the game. This means only about 7000 are legitamate, and this number doesnt account for alt's. Since as the saying goes. "if you can get it on your main, you can prob get it on your iron/pure/ect. To hammer this home even further. mod emily the analytics jmod years back showed us stats on paid cape bans, which even then. only a little over a year after the inferno came out. 77% of the capes were paid capes. So yeah. there is no prestige behind the capes, nearly everyone you run into with 1. bought it. They cannot catch them. at all. They dont bother anymore. Plus, from everyone ive ever talked to about it over the years. most dont like the idea of this incredibly hard challenge to unlock a cape. since at the end of the day, most people are not ironmen, and dont want to be them.
@@GnomonkeyRS 94% of inferno capes are paid capes. Check the inferno documentaries, and past inferno bans Yes its an unbelivably high number, buts its the truth. so you're 100% right in this case that none of the untradable capes are actually prestigious. And ill say this again for good measure. most people dont want to be an ironman. its fun, but expecting players to all be like them is unreasonable, and not what runescape has ever been about. Dont know why the comment with proof was mysteriously deleted, but ill let it slide. Once.
my idea for thralls was to copy/paste the perilous moons death animations where they "dive bomb" either the lowest/highest health enemy in a set vicinity, or dive bomb the last enemy you attacked or the enemy that last attacked you, dealing some amount of damage or effect.
To go along with the thrall idea, keeping the boomerang idea intact, when the thrall is returning to you it turns into some sort of projectile and goes to the boss / monster and hits a 3-5 before returning to you. Just an idea.
Appreciate you taking the time to go through the ideas. I get where you're coming from regarding the cape. Maybe because I haven't done the enrage bosses in RS3 its hard for me to conceive of layer 8 as not a prestigious thing, but maybe that's because I'm reading too much into their mention of inferno as the benchmark for where their aiming the content difficulty. We'll see. I'm certainly excited either way!
enrage bosses in rs3 are designed to be mid level bosses at low enrage so anyone can reasonaly can kil them. lets take zammy for an example, an extra phase is added at 100%. 0% zammy is an medium boss, 100%(advanced) 500% arguably grandmaster although probably not quite 1000%+ easily grandmaster. Then you have 50k% enrage zammy or which is godtier only about 10 players in the game can do this
GP per hour heavily scales with enrage bosses it ables everyone the chance to farm an item if they wish, ot just rewards gear and skill 0% zammy is like 20-30m an hour. 100% is like 50-60m an hour. 500% zammy is like 110m an hour and 2000% zammy is 150-180m an hour.
enrage bosses in rs3 give you a title to show off your achievement. If you hit insane tier enrages, you get a silver then gold variant. Even now, the gold warden title (successful kill at max enrage telos which was released in 2016!) is still a very impressive achievement reserved only for the best of the pvmers. The only untradeable 'locked' items are the zuk capes, which arent insanely difficult to do (zuk is hard, but you can get his capes from normal mode zuk, with hard mode giving you the option to combine them into an all in one cape for qol - the main reward being his tradeable drops)
@ clearly huffing fumes lol, an above average pvmer is someone who is able to kill anything more difficult than GWD2 lol. I would classify any decent pvmers as anyone able to perfect clear hm zuk + not carried through reaper + decent ability on harder bosses like hm nakatra/kera/etc.... There is still a lot of work between hm zuk + 4k telos lol.
I would like a vengance upgrade instead. If you are tick perfect you either reduce incoming damage, apply burn or aoe damage around yourself. Something similar to the mirrorback mechanic.
What about if your thralls would glow after certain timings or damage, and then clicking the powerup item would activate the thrall to do a larger more damaging attack. maybe could happen multiple times per cast, if you're not attentive or quick enough you can miss out on the extra damage.
Gnomonkey on point as always. I hope that Jagex and the team has the chance/opportunity to review videos like this that have good constructive feedback.
I had a suggestion that unfortunately didnt see any light, it was basically just a consumable that acted as book of the dead but could be used on nearby thralls like potshare or thr nectar at ToA to change the dmaage from 0,1,2,3 to 1,1,2,3 and refunded prayer based on how many thralls were buffed
Maybe thralls could get a spec as the upgrade. But I'd think it should be automatic (still having the summon and forget effect) and maybe it would only have 1 or 2 spec total depending on CAs/time alive. Then the different thralls could have different special effects, though mostly would be nice that the spec would just be a bigger max hit for that one hit. Maybe specs could be a toned down ancient godsword for heals, toned down saradomin godsword for prays, and toned down armadyl godsword for dps. Maybe you could just specify which thralls have which spec. Could also maybe add more different effects? Add even more drops to the boss with various specs, bgs, zgs, dds, etc. that you could swap out! Could bring out a variety of options and use cases for the thralls! Proabably an unpopular opinion, but I would like for jagex to add a hybrid ring to the delve as well like the hybrid boots. Just combine Bellator(slash bonus)/Magus/Ultor/Venator/Wildy crush & stab rings. I know it seems insane, but honestly I don't think it would be. Other rings would still also be used such as lightbearer(which I would argue could be combined with other utility rings like ring of endurance or something). And yes, I'm a fan of upgradescape haha, I think that is the way to go.
I think you nailed it on the head with the "status item" thing. Everyone has in their heads the it has to be a status item because of inferno and colo when clearly it's designed as a relatively marginal upgrade from the mage arena capes which have been bis for years. They can release a true status mage cape at some point in the future if they want, it doesn't need to go from 10 year old ez to obtain wildy capes to hella prestige status equivalent to colo and inferno.
I just genuinely think touching thralls further is a mistake and the most they should do is remove the need for Book of the Dead. I’m still not a fan of it personally, but if you MUST do something, that alone is a huge buff on its own without risking thralls becoming even more oppressive than they already are. I don’t trust the community to come up with better ideas for Jagex that won’t just be a strict DPS increase and very little else (much like how Ruinous Powers was). Especially when Redditors are out here malding that the Hybrid boots are underwhelming as fuck when they’re literally going to be BIS basically everywhere and completely remove the need to ever bring a boot switch ever again.
Haven’t finished the video yet but an idea that popped into my head; what about the currency augments each thrall type? Melee increase dmg from 1-3 to 1-6, ranged increase atk rate (like 2 tick?), mage… I’m not sure. As is I pretty much only summon a mage thrall bc it does full dmg at corp and is a ranged thrall as opposed to a melee thrall that has to be next to the target… maybe the mage thrall has unlimited range and could reach any mob targeted from any range
my thrall idea. same place to grind for the "thrall ammo" have there be a drop for an item that allows you to stack the ammo with range ammo/radas and reworks your thralls while its in your inventory/equipped which removes the cast delay, halves the prayer cost and allows you to summon one additional thrall. might be too strong but it can be tweaked.
for the thrall i like giving each thrall a typeless effect, with a system where you can direct their aggro, giving the melee thrall a chain hook that drags itself to the target dealing min 1 damage when it does that, for the cape and the shadow issue i like, giving the shadow breakpoints where you have to hit a certain % magic damage on your items to cap out the shadow and anything else stops scaling it allows you to add a bigger %, i love negative prayer bonuses so much thematically, give it defense back tho. xdd, editing comment along with the vid, i like having the cape as a tradeable, maybe the status can be a transmog on top of it for reaching the full enrage telos equivalent but mage in general could use some other pinnacle content to serve as a true status symbol, not delving, besides nothing looks sexier than dizanas max cape anyway
I agree with what many say regarding the cape slot being the showoff item slot. If they do decide to make the cape tradeable then have it drop an ornament kit for late delves as a prestige/showoff thing.
The content can continue in perpetuity but thinking even for combat achievements and/or hiscores, there will be a "completion" milestone where the BIS cape could be a guaranteed drop from round completion. Think the better solve is a cape drop from round 1 completion that gets better the further you get through the waves. Maybe make it interesting by having players choose which upgrades they want (a masteries path if you will), so maybe you have to take -2 prayer bonus if you want the +1% magic damage early but you'll need to complete another wave to remove the -2 prayer
14:30 Now we're in a real bind over this issue, They backed themselves into a corner with making the shadow the most commonly dropped mega, and being extremely broken. The only reason the shadow is maintaining one bill plus is because it's the most broken, powerful item in the game. If they reduce the effectiveness of the shadow in the wrong way it's going to tank in price. This seems very challenging to approach, and balance to me, atleast from this distance.
What if the thrall, instead of dashing directly to the player, instead dashes towards the primary target and then to the player (hitting both the primary target and any enemy on its way in the process)? That way, it would still have an effect at Zuk-like bosses, while also having a positioning effect.
Just a couple ideas off the top of my head for the thralls. Range thrall - every 5th or 10th hit it does a quick barrage of arrows, if its single target maybe it hits that target with 5 arrows, if its aoe maybe it hits everything in a 3x3 Mage thrall - each cast it does powers up its next cast. the second hit can hit 1 damage higher, the 3rd hits 1 higher than the second hit and so on until it resets at 5 hits. Melee thrall i cant think of anything off the top of my head but will reply with an idea if i think of one
maybe something simple like every 5-10 hits the melee thrall does a special attack that hits 5 or 10 damage, or it spawns its own mini melee thrall to attack for a few seconds
I don't know if this has been said, but why not allow variants based on the god capes? keep the bonuses at base as provided and change to something like below. Like used with sara cape will give high def and moderate prayer used with zammy would give a glass cannon dps boost but like minus 10 or 15 prayer bonus used with guthic to giver big prayer bonus and boosts that split attack and defence bonuses like the god book. Obviously this is not the best stat sets, but it would keep the prices high as every account could probably use each with potential to expand to the other gods and with good negatives, each one would be useable in different places (Zammy-dps, guthix-barrage slayer, sara-wildy tanking/1st inferno cape)
Best thing I was able to think of for thralls is giving a benefit if you attack on the same tick as the thrall. It's a pure buff to everywhere you bring thralls already, doesn't introduce thralls to anywhere new. Something along the lines of "After attacking with your thrall X times, you get a faster next attack/thrall attacks faster for y seconds/mini venge effect". Not sure if it becomes something you can purposefully play around though, because unless the buff is broken you wouldn't be delaying your own attacks just for some minor thrall buff.
Honestly you also make a decent argument for infernal and quiver being tradable to tackle RWT. I think Mocha is the wrong boss for this cape, let’s find something else as the big profit item
I think the best way to conserve "cape prestige" is for jagex to promise an even more bis mage cape in the future (that might require this one as material)
I wouldn't mind a two-tiered upgrade where the first is a one-time thrall buff unlock, and the second could be the consumable ammo to buff them further. Downside is you're splitting what buff they're receiving in two, making each half seem weaker. But the upside is mains still get a consumable sink DPS / PB mechanic and irons still get to participate without wanting to hang themselves every night.
Why are we hard locked on making thralls have another upgrade?... they already are nutty... let's look at the gear from all over gielenor that is just BARELY irrelevant, and have the consumable affect all of them... not to make anything new BIS, but make lots of things viable to use before acquiring BIS items?
@tjtomax I think thralls have a particular issue in that they feel far less potent than they actually are, which matters way more than you might think. Personally I would prefer mechanical differences than a raw damage increase, but if Jagex is 100% dead-set on linking them to some sort of consumable I wouldn't hate the idea of finding a way to split that. Depends on rates though.
I'd rather the thrall buff just cause each thrall to have their own unique thing. Similar to necromancy conjures in RS3. Zombie walks up and explodes with AoE damage, ghost heals you a bit passively and skeleton doing maybe bonus damage. If it's scaled properly, it would still fit well.
I think they should cap the shadow damage multiplier outside ToA to 75% (keep 100% in ToA, that caps it at 85 max if I'm correct). any magic damage % past 75% just gets added as is, without tripling it. would this work?
So ppl say they want effects? I think this is a good idea, keep thralls as is, but add the effects take place when thrall despawns, so for example when the mage thrall timer is out it will become a magic bomb with with the damage from 0- to how much it dpsed the target, for range thralls,same thing but it becomes 3 bolts that each hit will burn the target, and melee one when it despawns it can add a 1 min long overload lvl boost. Seems good to me
Maybe the full cape is the item as shown in the blog and that you can upgrade it with the MA2 cape (like Quiver with Assembler) to restore the defensive stats and remove the prayer penalty. I don't know a solution to Shadow gimping every mage item released post-shadow. I do think an eventual BiS mage cape should be untradeable, but this isn't a big enough upgrade to warrant being a status thing imo
"swap" spots with thrall would be a cool mechanic 1 tick delay tele mid fight would allow new interactions, dont need a dps increase tbh they are strong already
Maybe they add some sort of action to make the thrall buff require some “skill” like randomly every 10 or 20 ticks it flashes for a few ticks and you click it to double damage on the next attack, adds a few apm so more DPS but more skill and only buffs where you already use thralls
should be tradable, because it fits the style of the content. Endless 'loot cycles' basically, and if you don't need that loot, and it isn't tradable, you won't be repeating said content because what are you going to do with all the loot? Definitely add something for the 'status' feel on higher waves like the kit you mentioned.
Personally, I believe that there should be a lot more tribrid items. It would open the realm for more efficient theatre runs (maging as mdps would actually become relevant), more technology deployed throughout, would allow lower level players to bring more gear without sacrificing supplies, and higher level players to replace new brew space with more tech such as dinhs or even rune throw axes for range AoE, or even if you think of chambers max efficiency - giving you literally more than 0 inventory spaces to do something. I shouldn’t have to take off or put on a 9 way during a theatre run to even reasonably 1-shot a crab. While some players would say you don’t need technically need this inventory space and that it’s troll, I firmly believe it would be beneficial to the high end community as well as the low end community.
What if empowered thralls are "soul bonded" to your target and when they die they do something to the target like DMG or steal hp and return it to the caster?
What about giving the shadow effect a diminishing return effect? So at certain intervals like 5, 10,15 %magic dmg the scaling is lowered? might make it more complicated than necessary though
Idea for thrall. It could highlight at semi random intervals for a couple ticks and clicking on it when it's highlighted doubled the damage of it's next attack or guaranteed a max hit on that attack. Feels simple to slot into the game and a bit more complex in terms of APM. Master and GM's would use less of the currency as it'll highlight more often due to longer duration no need to unsummon or dismiss.
Content shouldn't be based around leechers or boosts. By this logic Jagex should remove rev caves and lms because it is filled with bots and gold farmers yet the will never do it because that will only hurt real players.
I agree with you, I honestly didnt care that the cape was tradable, since most bis are tradable. It's what makes an MMO more exciting, being able to see value out of your effort.
Each thrall having it's own effect which is based of it's version, mage, ranged & melee makes much more sense than giving it a boomerang mechanic. Keep it simple jagex.
Simple fun idea that can be developed into something huge: make the thrall posess the enemy/mob and deal damage from inside it :) book of the dead shouldn't be used in order to summon it , too many switches... Every time I do a raid I take only 1 or 2 brews max with me... the rest of the invy is full of switches.
I can see your point about how the content is different so the rewards shouldn’t necessarily be the same way as colo/inferno. I agree with that, but I also feel capes should be kept untradeable. I think they should just remove the cape from this content entirely
Good video. I like the idea of the new bis mage cape getting some kind of cosmetic kit after x amount of delve 8+ extensions. I think that's the solution to people wanting a prestigious version of that cape. As for the boots, I do think they're underpowered for how long we've waited for the boot combination. They should at least have an extra strength and mage point over prims and eternals. For thralls, I want the upgrade to them to be more advantageous towards Master/GM somehow. For example, at base level they gain 1 extra damage, so their damage goes from 1-3 to 1-4, and then every 10 seconds they're out, the buffed version does one big hit that's 4-7. Done zero calcs so that's probably wildly OP, but just a thought. This whole placement thing is nonsense and would be too situational to be effective, and not fun to learn. Side note, it would be cool if similar to Ralos, these items could be charged with sunfire for extra effects. For pvp, the treads could be given a spike effect when charged with sunfire, when a player steps under a player wearing charged treads, they take 1 damage every couple ticks. (preventing stand under logouts) and giving a direct counter to that tactic, which currently does not have any counters. The cape could have it's defence stats restored when charged with sunfire (odd that they're lost when combined with the ma2 cape, which has them) and also remove the -2 to prayer, and buff the mage % by 1.
They could make it so maybe you get something like an untradeable chain/rope to keep the cape fastened around your neck & shoulders the 1st time you complete a wave 8 & have bolts of magic cloth the boss drops required to make the cape that are tradeable so maybe you need to do wave 8 once to get your chain & then you can just go and buy X amount of bolts of magic cloth off the GE or w/e to make the full cape so it'd still have a little status to it if the wave 8 is hard for most players & would still be massively impressive on like an iron cause you'd have to farm the boss enough at higher waves to get your cloth.
If they want to keep an element of prestige to the cape, keep it tradeable but have the cape graphically update dependent on how deep you've gone into the delve. Special Variant/skin at say Floor 8 v10 or something
I'd love to see the thrall upgrades make your thralls mimic your spec attacks, not at full effectiveness ofc and only melee thralls use melee specs and same to range and mage. Would make thralls more useable elsewhere.
Mage cape should add a rune saving effect similar to assembler/quiver. Not 80% but even like 50% would be huge. Harm staff with searing pages costs 1.5m an hour right now, lets make it at least reasonable.
I said this in the last vid but maybe you can give you input on this: It seems like they want to do it in a way where skill is rewarded rather than a flat upgrade to dps. So to keep in line with it, maybe it should be something along the lines of a random timing indicator for u to resummon the thrall to deal 2x damage for the next 15/30s. This way, it rewards gameplay with more dps upon hitting the right timing while also punishing players (with loss prayer + used consumables) when failing to do the mechanic. However, I can see issues with this idea clashing with thrall summon cooldown so maybe they can reduce thrall cooldown to maybe 20s or something
Spam resummoning isn't great either, I don't like the idea of spamming a thrall and being punished for the prayer usage and if it is random, it makes it hard to balance from being too weak and useless or too rng heavy and OP.
I’m mobile only and final hiting the high tier stuff I’m talking inferno coliseum, bosses and maybe even raids I’m looking forward to having all three combat styles to collect now! I’m going to be one hell of a sweaty mobile player when I’m done with all this haha also transmog for pets as thralls would be a cool thing for some pet use (I know there’s plug ins but I’m mobile)
What if they made the other BIS capes buyable but in an imperfected state that consumes x material to upkeep that is obtained from the places it's obtained from. such as with sunfire shards/tokkul and when you complete said places you can be given a token of some sort to turn the cape/quiver into it's perfected state/be the thing you exchange for pet/currency
To build off of the idea about thrall AOE…could have an upgrade to thralls that is specific to each type. E.g. melee 1x3 aoe, range double bounce shot (venator), mage ???
what if it was on standard spellbook? Maybe some like magic missile thing you have to use on cooldown, I don't see why arceuus has to be the "pvm spellbook" and that could preserve different uses for the different spellbooks, ie thralls at olm
have mage thrall do 4x4 aoe effect, ranger do boomerang effect, melee do double hit (similar to machiolt effect)... each has its own variation. I think with this scenario, range would be best for consistent single target damage not in a wall, mage for aoe, and melee is good for any reachable single target (in wall or no wall)
What if the thrall upgrade gives thralls a stacking debuff which is capped at a certain amount that reduces the enemy's defence of that thralls combat style by a flat amount or % whatever idea that can be thought of. For example, most of the time an elder maul/dragon warhammer is brought to reduce melee defence in raids and in raids youre using all styles most of the time depending on the boss youre facing. When fighting olm's head and you summon a range thrall, itll reduce the range defence and it'll last as long as the thrall is doing damage. Everybody's thrall reduces the defence but it's capped at a certain number. This gives them the opportunity to still be used in places where they already are brought, simple but effective and easy to understand. The damage they do is still 0-3 though imo.
In that case, just make it a guaranteed drop, like the boss reveals an upgrade pool/shrine if you beat 8th level, then you use your cape on it to upgrade.
Could always make the cape reward be traded in for pet chance like fire cape and inferno. Could also give it sexy high alch value or perhaps trade in to an NPC for a shop token that’s desirable.
I don't like the idea of the ammo slot thrall thing because we already use the ammo slots and it's already a tight slot even post-Quiver. Anywhere you're not using a Quiver you're almost always going to want either a Rada's blessing, a specific God blessing, or Ghommal's lucky penny, and even at places you do use a Quiver, you're using at least one type of actual ammo, sometimes two, or again the blessing or penny. Much rather see it be an upgrade to the book and then the book needs to be charged. I'd be fine with that.
I hope they do make the Mage Cape tradeable because then you have a sliding scale between the type of content that the BIS capes come from. Inferno is a non tradeable guaranteed drop that comes from content that only gives non-tradeable drops. Quiver is a non tradeable guaranteed drop but you get a chance to get some tradeable loot along the way to that drop. Then the new mage cape would be a non-guaranteed Tradeable drop that comes from content that is centered around its drops being tradeable. Jagex likes there to be diversity in their content, they didn't design all 3 raids to be the same and I think that was for the best. Parallel design is cool to some extent but it gets boring when everything feels samey. Plus making the cape tradeable fixes the cape buying issue for Jagex and for them I'm sure thats a huge selling point.
Melee thrall suggestions are always like "stacking debuffs" and "AoE on hit", Just make them run! Actually works to offset the biggest downside of zombie thrall
Another absolute banger from the goat himself. Probably the most you've ever cooked tbh. Shadow is broken as fuck, really all of toa rewards are broken tbh. Thrall thing is just always gonna be weird they need to do a lot of work to have it in a good spot. I'm fine with them changing the cape upgrade to something else, but if it comes from here it should be tradeable. Theres no final boss or anything, you're killing the same boss at a higher level. Clearing it as a requirement to complete it is the perfect solution if people HAVE to have it be an achievement thing. Ageist is just too niche tbh, scrap it 2 bis uniques and consumables are plenty of rewards. Also totally right on boots they're great, you're saving at least 1 inv space most content and the new BP max hit with the range strength is great.
make the shadow scale more along with your (base) magic level and much less with your gear, so that a player with 99 mage and max mage gear gets the same damage and accuracy we currently have but benefits less from increased magic damage gear added in the future such as the new MA2 cape upgrade while a lower level setup, say 78 with a trident benefits more if you are worried about a player becoming too powerful too quickly from a spooned shadow or being on a shadow rebuild and only needing the 99 magic and no gear you could make it so that accuracy is separately based on gear but damage is based on magic level or any other manner of change to make the shadow just as powerful but allowing more room for stronger equipment otherwise
So how about the cape to be tradeable, AND still be useable like a firecape for a pet roll. This does allow creditcard warriors to buy a pet but the item would retain it's value. Adding some more magic defense, or just accuracy could work, or add some weird lore about it not boosting dessert magic. problem solved for shadow's balance issues. Melee thrall can grant dmg reduction from the direct it's "warding" you. Range thrall can be shot at to allow it to hit with x of your stats, Mage thrall can be casted upon with spells to boost output or enhance it's dmg type to elemental bonus. (fertile soil = earth, vile vigour = air, humidify water etc. Also increase spellbook swap utility could be fun
Idea for thrall upgrade: target-able thrall specials. Moka consumable now gives thralls a special attack that is different per thrall. Zombie special attack: the zombie thrall now has a chance you use temporal tear, a special attack in where a temporal tear spawns 2-3 tiles away from the target for a 1-2t window that gives you a damage boost (only applicable for caster) for one attack. Skeleton special attack: The skeleton switches to a ballista but needs help loading it to fire a javelin at a target. Click and Run up to the skeleton to load the javelin for a powerful thrall attack. Ghost special attack: The ghost begins channeling a powerful spell but needs help. Three target-able (and 0 attack delay causing) nodes spawn around the ghost. Once all have been hit, the spell will launch dealing massive damage.
i like the idea of just adding an ornament kit drop to the cape for what they consider a high delve, torva is tradeable but then blorva exists
Yeah but Torva is an armor set.
I like the pattern Jagex has created with capes being largely untradeable and used as flex pieces.
Just because people can "buy" Infernal capes by breaking the rules doesn't actually make them tradeable.
The new bis mage cape should def be untradeable, but I agree with the rest.
To address all of Gnome's replies:
1) The cape could be a guaranteed drop on a certain floor, or be a chance to drop that scales up. Either way, that doesn't necessarily mean the cape should be tradeable.
2) Precedent is a big deal to players; this game exists on the promise of blending the old with the new. Flat out saying that "precedent doesn't matter" is throwing out the baby with the bath water.
3) Mage Arena 2 isn't prestigious content. Neither is Vorkath or Fight Caves. But we liked when the better versions of those capes were untradeable, because it added prestige to those capes.
4) The Inferno drops literally *nothing* besides capes, and you can use those to cash in for pet chance. The Inferno is proof that you don't need capes to be tradeable to give them *some* sort of value to players to get repeatedly. Especially when you mentioned "the cape being big profit will feel good", but you're already getting profit elsewhere. If people have fun running Inferno for "0 profit + untradeable cape", then surely people can have fun running this boss for "lots profit + untradeable cape".
5) Literally every instance of "Getting a drop that's worth a bunch of money that you can sell" feels good. So does "Grinding a hard boss to get your first untradeable cape drop". One of those is much rarer in-game than the other, and I think that side shouldn't cede ground to the other.
6) Just because someone bought their cape doesn't make *earned* capes less prestigious. The "people can already buy capes" argument works against literally every untradeable item, and I doubt you'd support Infernal capes being made tradeable, so why should we follow this argument at all?
I would 100% love if they went back and made kits and other capes tradable. There is a lot of reasons inferno is successful but also not. There's a reason the community who continues to run inferno even after getting their cape is virtually non-existent. It's either wr runners or slayer task, and CAs nobody just wakes up and just pops into Inferno. Especially not the average player. Colosseum has the same issues BUT because you can make money there it's vastly more popular. See the key there, money incentive. Saying people should only care about untradable and prestige, then just play an Ironman. Stop making everyone cater to your feelings about how important or not important a video game item is. Even if everything is tradable, you can still "earn" your cape yourself or get the drop yourself. No one is forcing you to go to the G.E and buy the new cape. The prestige in this game is not capes, it's kits like fang kit (less so now with boosting), Blorva, Zuk helm, etc.
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Im glad someone is saying this about the boots. Like honestly wtf are yall expecting? It's all three boots plus extra stats. You literally cannot ask for more. No switches, better stats=huge upgrades. This is best in slot boots period.
I would have been happy if they just made a range boot with range strength. Why are "bis" pegs almost usless in most situations where holy sandals is more value
I also like that it's not necessary if you're just focusing on one style (except ranged). If you're only taking melee with no switches, Prims aren't lacking.
But every person in the fucking game will have the same boots lol…
My thinking was that prims are so good, and the rest of the boots aren't that great, so most people don't bother bringing a boots switch to a lot of content. If it's not getting max hits/worth a switch now, then the upgrade isn't super worth it.
@ALittleMessi where do you use holy sandals other than inferno maybe? I'm an echo boots guy myself. Basically any content I'm rocking echo boots. I could see the case where holy sandals may help in the new delve but again echos have prayer and im usually using suffering or justi so I would never use holy sandals outside of inferno.
I would prefer each thrall having a different type of attack. I theoried mage never misses (can hit through any prayer for example), the melee has an extra max hit (0-4) to make up for the melee distance, and the range has infinite (or longer) range, to hit enemies a thrall generally couldn't.
19:30 the issue is the ma2 cape is not prestige while we think it's cool that inferno and quiver are. Nobody thinks all 3 capes we have right now are prestige we just want it to be. The cape slot feels like the achievement slot, its not just pvm. Diary cape, 99 capes, quest cape, lms capes, raid kc capes, none are tradeable. I agree with this boss needing a farmable drop, i would just have it be ranger boots so we get a non-clue way of obtaining pvm upgrades. Capes should be for achievments, Clues should be for cosmetics
If by “ranger boots” you mean a new set of boots that give range strength I think I agree. But if it was just another source of ranger boots I strongly disagree. Mains should be able to get something better from pvm
This!!!!! Clues should be cosmetic only. You also beautifully put into words on how i feel about the cape slot. Its like it for the glove slot too imo.
@@ncghost12 that's what i meant i was just typing outside in the cold
There are a million prestige drops in this game who cares if 1 cape isn't one of those
@@SaniOsrs I think it would be cool for every spoke of the combat triangle to have it's own untradeable bis cape. But I also agree that rewards from this type of boss should be tradeable to provide adequate incentive to keep grinding/pushing further. Would rather a new bis mage cape come from a standalone encounter, maybe something fast and intense akin to awakened bosses since inferno is long asf and colo is also a decent chunk of time
I think a quite good solution to the Eldritch Veil Untradeable Vs Tradeable is to keep the cape tradable but only allow it to be equipped if the person has completed Level 8 of the Delve. This way it still remains a good drop to get, it should still have a large market for selling it and also retain some level of prestige that I feel BIS capes should have.
I like damage reduction effects. I think the fact that extra dps is best 90% of the time really limits gear design, its why I liked how perilous moons go for barrows gear instead of the typical fighter torso/obby because of the lifesteal.
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Different effects for each thrall type would be best imo, allows for a lot of different and interesting concepts (and maybe even different effects in the future with a different consumable). Something like a pseudo execute effect would be cool, increased (maybe doubled?) damage below 10% HP would be interesting, we dont really have any execute effects in the game atm, and either this or a spec weapon would be appropriate I think. To combo with this, you could have a thrall doing a mini ruby bolt proc, something like 1% of bosses remaining health capped at 10, something like that would be interesting. I think the big thing would be to let thralls combo off each other, having different thralls be optimal for different parts of a fight would be really interesting, and add depth to the arceuus spellbook/thralls in general, as currently its kinda just summoning mage thrall almost always.
I can sympathize with the "cape slot is an achievement slot" folk. Would be cool if they then replaced the cape reward with a different tradable upgrade. Money makers are good! Not all of us are irons and shouldn't have to play that way!
What upgrade would you like to see? The only 2 other mage slots that are "due" for an upgrade are gloves and ammy. Part of the desirability IMO is fashionscape aspects, ammy and gloves dont hit the same as a cape or armor. A big reason people get the infernal cape is it just looks so sick, they missed the mark there on the quiver BIGTIME IMO.
@@SaniOsrs quiver looks fine do some agility lil bro
@@rileyw Reg quiver looks like shit, max one looks better but still not on the level of infernal cape for coolness
I hate ironman. I think it takes away from the game.
@@JohnFromAccounting Literally just makes you play the whole game?
18:14 i think your pretty right on this that if they want an endless system that scales drops then it should be be all tradable stuff, but i also agree that its kind of lame that the trade off here is the mage cape is tradable/weaker as a result (i'm pretty sure why they don't want it to be a huge upgrade over ma2 cape is because it is tradable, its only suppose to be another item/tiny upgrade/for profit filler item).
maybe the caves need a different reward then a mage cape which is tradable and there should be another more inferno/colosseum type content that gives a better non tradable mage cape upgrade
maybe what alot of people are really saying here is they want a mage cape version of inferno/colesseum as people keep making these comparisons, while jagex is just trying to make this another drop which ppl will buy if they havn't done ma2 or for situations where they dont need prayer, will be a "niche" upgrade along with the demon weapon, while the boots are the major profit
it does feel a bit out of norm though to give a ma2 cape upgrade that isn't suppose to be a proper/always upgrade like infernal cape or quiver
17:24 i believe this cape is a place holder/leapfrog item that will be upgraded by a mage based, wave based, inferno 3.0.
Its not.
Tbh i think this boss should instead drop an upgrade or replacement for the nerfed occult neck. Save the cape slot for inferno 3.
Isn't this content wave based content? How is it not reasonable to call it inferno 3.0?
It's a cave system to work through, there aren't waves. When you get to the final cave it repeats cave 8 with increasing difficulty the longer you go.
With a straight face, Cersei Lannister looked me in the eyes, and spoke the words: "There has never been a precedent for capes being tied to prestige in osrs"
Idk which of us is on the pipe, but it's someone
Saying capes aren't prestigious because some people rwt is certainly a take
@@eatprayglove Some? you mean nearly all? you do realize that its well over 90% of the game are paying for infernal capes. Hell even back in 2018 mod emily showed us stats on bought inferno capes and even then it was over 77%, and that was back when they could catch and ban them.
There has never been a prededent for it. a single minigame from 2006 had an untradable bis cape for melle, every other cape has been obtained from a quest, or loot, or bought in a shop with the exception of the ardy cloak. For some reason because the inferno exists, people just said "ohh so every cape will be bis untradable from a wave based minigame now" Which makes no fucking sense, its an entire equipment slot. they have zero reason to do this. or precedent.
@straight2thepoint790
To be fair, there's always been some sense of accomplishment with capes in rs as far back as classic. Classic had blue capes locked to the Champion's Guild shop NPC, making them prestigious, then the Cape of Legends came out which was untradeable and quest locked (Required every quest on release), then the Fire Cape was released in RS2 which was untradeable and from a boss, then they took it a step further with Infernal Cape which came from an even harder encounter in OSRS. They followed this formula with the quiver, and now people are reasonably expecting the Mage Cape to follow the trend.
@@straight2thepoint790 learning colo and inferno for the first time was some of the most fun I've had playing osrs. By asking Jagex to reserve the new mage cape for a similarly difficult challenge, we have the potential to get more fun end game content. Sounds like a win to me
I have a hunch they will be including league's grimoire as a megarare into the game at some point, can see the grimoire being chargable with the thrall consumables
32:52 no joke, if they added ranger boots or a ranger boot equivalent that could be used to get the tribrid boots from the new slayer mobs, even if it takes twice as long to grind it from them over actually doing medium clues, i'd prefer the mob method. i just hate clues.
dm twice as long on average would probably require some bs like 1/2000 droprate
We shouldn't cater any content towards ironmen. Grind out Ranger Boots the normal way.
I think all they have to do is keep the base cape tradeable but give it 1 or 2 kits once you get farther and farther into delves. For example if you clear delve 50 then your cape becomes animated.
As for the thralls the upgrade I would like to see is having the thrall drain prayer over time while in combat so that I don't have to keep resummoning them. I also think having 1 thrall with typeless dmg sounds nice
drain over time could cause you to get smited accidentally though.
I think them adding an option you could menu swap to left or shift click that allows you to select a tile to summon the thrall on would be cool. Also like the minimum hit =1 and max being upped to 4 edit- bookless summoning requires it being needed to be equiped elseware so id say no to that. Maybe when the currency is added to the book it gives +20 mage and +3-5% damage. Buffs single handed staffs then too.
I like the idea of the consumable giving the thralls some hp, as opposed to being on a timer. It can be very low, but it would require the boss your fighting to target it for a single attack, or more depending on hp and boss hit. When casting this version of the thrall, it uses the new consumable, and no prayer points.
An interesting change to thralls would be able to add the ability for them to take the aggro of whatever you're targeting and give them a small amount of HP (whilst avoiding it turning into summoning lite). You wouldn't want this to be active all the time, so maybe you can click on the consumable in your gear/inventory and the thrall then grabs aggro.
How about instead of a mage cape upgrade, save that for later content similar to inferno/colosseum so that people can have their “prestigious cape achievement” idea (which I’m in the same boat for) and just make it an upgrade to the occult instead?
That way it can still be tradable and profit and we can get a mage arena 3 untradable cape upgrade later down the line.
I understand that A LOT of people have bought their capes, but for those who haven’t it keeps the prestigious aspect. The idea also to make it so you have to complete a delve 8 to equip the thing just keeps the shady market of buying capes a thing, and for those who buy it off the GE and can’t do it will still just buy the service. Making it an amulet upgrade just immediately makes both sides happy.
Like other people have mentioned here they could add a blorva-esq kit to the cape after a predetermined delve level is reached. That way you have your prestige and the money maker.
32:15 as an iron i hope to fuck if we get new 3 pairs of boots that build on these that we can use the avernic catalyst as the base, i am NOT grinding out 3 pairs of rangers and 3 pairs of crystals for boots that is such an unreasonable amount of time commitment
This style of video has been really really great, thanks for doing em!
At some point I remember Fortnite added an emote that let people show how many wins they got. I think you could add something similar with the cape either via an emote or apply a similar concept to raids kc capes via a kit that signifies you made it to a certain delve threshold. Still sellable and those that want the in game clout for delving deep can show off how far they got.
it doesn't need to be a cape, could be an upgrade to the current nerfed occult. save the cape to be a prestige item for when they have content to support that
The point is that no cape is prestigious when most people buy their capes in the first place. It's a false sense of prestige and gatekeeps them from ever making upgraded capes unless it comes from content like Inferno/Colosseum which will get stale.
@GnomonkeyRS, we only need 1 more, though. Surely, that's not enough to get stale. Idk somethings missing for sure with this proposal
i agree 100% this comment needs more likes
@@GnomonkeyRS Just for extra context on what Gnome's saying here. Based upon the cape sellers themselves (of which there are countless) and several runescape documentaries that have covered this. Its been added up to about 94% of the existing infernal capes in game are paid capes. out of the roughly 110k infernal capes that exist in the game. This means only about 7000 are legitamate, and this number doesnt account for alt's. Since as the saying goes. "if you can get it on your main, you can prob get it on your iron/pure/ect. To hammer this home even further. mod emily the analytics jmod years back showed us stats on paid cape bans, which even then. only a little over a year after the inferno came out. 77% of the capes were paid capes.
So yeah. there is no prestige behind the capes, nearly everyone you run into with 1. bought it.
They cannot catch them. at all.
They dont bother anymore.
Plus, from everyone ive ever talked to about it over the years. most dont like the idea of this incredibly hard challenge to unlock a cape. since at the end of the day, most people are not ironmen, and dont want to be them.
@@GnomonkeyRS 94% of inferno capes are paid capes. Check the inferno documentaries, and past inferno bans
Yes its an unbelivably high number, buts its the truth. so you're 100% right in this case that none of the untradable capes are actually prestigious.
And ill say this again for good measure. most people dont want to be an ironman. its fun, but expecting players to all be like them is unreasonable, and not what runescape has ever been about.
Dont know why the comment with proof was mysteriously deleted, but ill let it slide. Once.
my idea for thralls was to copy/paste the perilous moons death animations where they "dive bomb" either the lowest/highest health enemy in a set vicinity, or dive bomb the last enemy you attacked or the enemy that last attacked you, dealing some amount of damage or effect.
To go along with the thrall idea, keeping the boomerang idea intact, when the thrall is returning to you it turns into some sort of projectile and goes to the boss / monster and hits a 3-5 before returning to you. Just an idea.
Appreciate you taking the time to go through the ideas. I get where you're coming from regarding the cape. Maybe because I haven't done the enrage bosses in RS3 its hard for me to conceive of layer 8 as not a prestigious thing, but maybe that's because I'm reading too much into their mention of inferno as the benchmark for where their aiming the content difficulty. We'll see. I'm certainly excited either way!
enrage bosses in rs3 are designed to be mid level bosses at low enrage so anyone can reasonaly can kil them. lets take zammy for an example, an extra phase is added at 100%. 0% zammy is an medium boss, 100%(advanced) 500% arguably grandmaster although probably not quite 1000%+ easily grandmaster. Then you have 50k% enrage zammy or which is godtier only about 10 players in the game can do this
GP per hour heavily scales with enrage bosses it ables everyone the chance to farm an item if they wish, ot just rewards gear and skill 0% zammy is like 20-30m an hour. 100% is like 50-60m an hour. 500% zammy is like 110m an hour and 2000% zammy is 150-180m an hour.
enrage bosses in rs3 give you a title to show off your achievement. If you hit insane tier enrages, you get a silver then gold variant. Even now, the gold warden title (successful kill at max enrage telos which was released in 2016!) is still a very impressive achievement reserved only for the best of the pvmers. The only untradeable 'locked' items are the zuk capes, which arent insanely difficult to do (zuk is hard, but you can get his capes from normal mode zuk, with hard mode giving you the option to combine them into an all in one cape for qol - the main reward being his tradeable drops)
@@checker297 i disagree with warden being insanely hard. I think any above average pvmer can 4k telos.
@ clearly huffing fumes lol, an above average pvmer is someone who is able to kill anything more difficult than GWD2 lol. I would classify any decent pvmers as anyone able to perfect clear hm zuk + not carried through reaper + decent ability on harder bosses like hm nakatra/kera/etc.... There is still a lot of work between hm zuk + 4k telos lol.
I would like a vengance upgrade instead. If you are tick perfect you either reduce incoming damage, apply burn or aoe damage around yourself. Something similar to the mirrorback mechanic.
What about if your thralls would glow after certain timings or damage, and then clicking the powerup item would activate the thrall to do a larger more damaging attack. maybe could happen multiple times per cast, if you're not attentive or quick enough you can miss out on the extra damage.
Gnomonkey on point as always. I hope that Jagex and the team has the chance/opportunity to review videos like this that have good constructive feedback.
the shadow fix you mentioned would solve so many issues!! reduce the multiplier, but increase the max hit so less gear dependent!
I had a suggestion that unfortunately didnt see any light, it was basically just a consumable that acted as book of the dead but could be used on nearby thralls like potshare or thr nectar at ToA to change the dmaage from 0,1,2,3 to 1,1,2,3 and refunded prayer based on how many thralls were buffed
Maybe thralls could get a spec as the upgrade. But I'd think it should be automatic (still having the summon and forget effect) and maybe it would only have 1 or 2 spec total depending on CAs/time alive. Then the different thralls could have different special effects, though mostly would be nice that the spec would just be a bigger max hit for that one hit. Maybe specs could be a toned down ancient godsword for heals, toned down saradomin godsword for prays, and toned down armadyl godsword for dps. Maybe you could just specify which thralls have which spec. Could also maybe add more different effects? Add even more drops to the boss with various specs, bgs, zgs, dds, etc. that you could swap out! Could bring out a variety of options and use cases for the thralls!
Proabably an unpopular opinion, but I would like for jagex to add a hybrid ring to the delve as well like the hybrid boots. Just combine Bellator(slash bonus)/Magus/Ultor/Venator/Wildy crush & stab rings. I know it seems insane, but honestly I don't think it would be. Other rings would still also be used such as lightbearer(which I would argue could be combined with other utility rings like ring of endurance or something). And yes, I'm a fan of upgradescape haha, I think that is the way to go.
I think you nailed it on the head with the "status item" thing. Everyone has in their heads the it has to be a status item because of inferno and colo when clearly it's designed as a relatively marginal upgrade from the mage arena capes which have been bis for years. They can release a true status mage cape at some point in the future if they want, it doesn't need to go from 10 year old ez to obtain wildy capes to hella prestige status equivalent to colo and inferno.
I just genuinely think touching thralls further is a mistake and the most they should do is remove the need for Book of the Dead. I’m still not a fan of it personally, but if you MUST do something, that alone is a huge buff on its own without risking thralls becoming even more oppressive than they already are. I don’t trust the community to come up with better ideas for Jagex that won’t just be a strict DPS increase and very little else (much like how Ruinous Powers was). Especially when Redditors are out here malding that the Hybrid boots are underwhelming as fuck when they’re literally going to be BIS basically everywhere and completely remove the need to ever bring a boot switch ever again.
Haven’t finished the video yet but an idea that popped into my head; what about the currency augments each thrall type? Melee increase dmg from 1-3 to 1-6, ranged increase atk rate (like 2 tick?), mage… I’m not sure. As is I pretty much only summon a mage thrall bc it does full dmg at corp and is a ranged thrall as opposed to a melee thrall that has to be next to the target… maybe the mage thrall has unlimited range and could reach any mob targeted from any range
my thrall idea. same place to grind for the "thrall ammo" have there be a drop for an item that allows you to stack the ammo with range ammo/radas and reworks your thralls while its in your inventory/equipped which removes the cast delay, halves the prayer cost and allows you to summon one additional thrall. might be too strong but it can be tweaked.
for the thrall i like giving each thrall a typeless effect, with a system where you can direct their aggro, giving the melee thrall a chain hook that drags itself to the target dealing min 1 damage when it does that, for the cape and the shadow issue i like, giving the shadow breakpoints where you have to hit a certain % magic damage on your items to cap out the shadow and anything else stops scaling it allows you to add a bigger %, i love negative prayer bonuses so much thematically, give it defense back tho. xdd, editing comment along with the vid, i like having the cape as a tradeable, maybe the status can be a transmog on top of it for reaching the full enrage telos equivalent but mage in general could use some other pinnacle content to serve as a true status symbol, not delving, besides nothing looks sexier than dizanas max cape anyway
I agree with what many say regarding the cape slot being the showoff item slot.
If they do decide to make the cape tradeable then have it drop an ornament kit for late delves as a prestige/showoff thing.
The content can continue in perpetuity but thinking even for combat achievements and/or hiscores, there will be a "completion" milestone where the BIS cape could be a guaranteed drop from round completion.
Think the better solve is a cape drop from round 1 completion that gets better the further you get through the waves. Maybe make it interesting by having players choose which upgrades they want (a masteries path if you will), so maybe you have to take -2 prayer bonus if you want the +1% magic damage early but you'll need to complete another wave to remove the -2 prayer
14:30 Now we're in a real bind over this issue, They backed themselves into a corner with making the shadow the most commonly dropped mega, and being extremely broken.
The only reason the shadow is maintaining one bill plus is because it's the most broken, powerful item in the game. If they reduce the effectiveness of the shadow in the wrong way it's going to tank in price.
This seems very challenging to approach, and balance to me, atleast from this distance.
I cant wait to combine the clown shoes with the avernic treads for the ultimate upgrade tree item
What if the thrall, instead of dashing directly to the player, instead dashes towards the primary target and then to the player (hitting both the primary target and any enemy on its way in the process)?
That way, it would still have an effect at Zuk-like bosses, while also having a positioning effect.
Just a couple ideas off the top of my head for the thralls.
Range thrall - every 5th or 10th hit it does a quick barrage of arrows, if its single target maybe it hits that target with 5 arrows, if its aoe maybe it hits everything in a 3x3
Mage thrall - each cast it does powers up its next cast. the second hit can hit 1 damage higher, the 3rd hits 1 higher than the second hit and so on until it resets at 5 hits.
Melee thrall i cant think of anything off the top of my head but will reply with an idea if i think of one
maybe something simple like every 5-10 hits the melee thrall does a special attack that hits 5 or 10 damage, or it spawns its own mini melee thrall to attack for a few seconds
I don't know if this has been said, but why not allow variants based on the god capes? keep the bonuses at base as provided and change to something like below.
Like used with sara cape will give high def and moderate prayer
used with zammy would give a glass cannon dps boost but like minus 10 or 15 prayer bonus
used with guthic to giver big prayer bonus and boosts that split attack and defence bonuses like the god book.
Obviously this is not the best stat sets, but it would keep the prices high as every account could probably use each with potential to expand to the other gods and with good negatives, each one would be useable in different places (Zammy-dps, guthix-barrage slayer, sara-wildy tanking/1st inferno cape)
Best thing I was able to think of for thralls is giving a benefit if you attack on the same tick as the thrall. It's a pure buff to everywhere you bring thralls already, doesn't introduce thralls to anywhere new. Something along the lines of "After attacking with your thrall X times, you get a faster next attack/thrall attacks faster for y seconds/mini venge effect".
Not sure if it becomes something you can purposefully play around though, because unless the buff is broken you wouldn't be delaying your own attacks just for some minor thrall buff.
not sure tough, tralls are 4 tick, and all raids megarares are 5 tick.
Honestly you also make a decent argument for infernal and quiver being tradable to tackle RWT.
I think Mocha is the wrong boss for this cape, let’s find something else as the big profit item
I think the best way to conserve "cape prestige" is for jagex to promise an even more bis mage cape in the future (that might require this one as material)
I wouldn't mind a two-tiered upgrade where the first is a one-time thrall buff unlock, and the second could be the consumable ammo to buff them further. Downside is you're splitting what buff they're receiving in two, making each half seem weaker. But the upside is mains still get a consumable sink DPS / PB mechanic and irons still get to participate without wanting to hang themselves every night.
Why are we hard locked on making thralls have another upgrade?... they already are nutty... let's look at the gear from all over gielenor that is just BARELY irrelevant, and have the consumable affect all of them... not to make anything new BIS, but make lots of things viable to use before acquiring BIS items?
@tjtomax I think thralls have a particular issue in that they feel far less potent than they actually are, which matters way more than you might think. Personally I would prefer mechanical differences than a raw damage increase, but if Jagex is 100% dead-set on linking them to some sort of consumable I wouldn't hate the idea of finding a way to split that. Depends on rates though.
I'd rather the thrall buff just cause each thrall to have their own unique thing. Similar to necromancy conjures in RS3. Zombie walks up and explodes with AoE damage, ghost heals you a bit passively and skeleton doing maybe bonus damage. If it's scaled properly, it would still fit well.
I think they should cap the shadow damage multiplier outside ToA to 75% (keep 100% in ToA, that caps it at 85 max if I'm correct). any magic damage % past 75% just gets added as is, without tripling it. would this work?
So ppl say they want effects? I think this is a good idea, keep thralls as is, but add the effects take place when thrall despawns, so for example when the mage thrall timer is out it will become a magic bomb with with the damage from 0- to how much it dpsed the target, for range thralls,same thing but it becomes 3 bolts that each hit will burn the target, and melee one when it despawns it can add a 1 min long overload lvl boost.
Seems good to me
Maybe the full cape is the item as shown in the blog and that you can upgrade it with the MA2 cape (like Quiver with Assembler) to restore the defensive stats and remove the prayer penalty. I don't know a solution to Shadow gimping every mage item released post-shadow. I do think an eventual BiS mage cape should be untradeable, but this isn't a big enough upgrade to warrant being a status thing imo
"swap" spots with thrall would be a cool mechanic 1 tick delay tele mid fight would allow new interactions, dont need a dps increase tbh they are strong already
Oh this would go so fucking hard at Olm or Nex to just swap yourself out of the prisons LMAOOO, this has so many funny use cases.
Maybe they add some sort of action to make the thrall buff require some “skill” like randomly every 10 or 20 ticks it flashes for a few ticks and you click it to double damage on the next attack, adds a few apm so more DPS but more skill and only buffs where you already use thralls
should be tradable, because it fits the style of the content. Endless 'loot cycles' basically, and if you don't need that loot, and it isn't tradable, you won't be repeating said content because what are you going to do with all the loot? Definitely add something for the 'status' feel on higher waves like the kit you mentioned.
great video! defo watched it all !
Personally, I believe that there should be a lot more tribrid items. It would open the realm for more efficient theatre runs (maging as mdps would actually become relevant), more technology deployed throughout, would allow lower level players to bring more gear without sacrificing supplies, and higher level players to replace new brew space with more tech such as dinhs or even rune throw axes for range AoE, or even if you think of chambers max efficiency - giving you literally more than 0 inventory spaces to do something. I shouldn’t have to take off or put on a 9 way during a theatre run to even reasonably 1-shot a crab. While some players would say you don’t need technically need this inventory space and that it’s troll, I firmly believe it would be beneficial to the high end community as well as the low end community.
What if empowered thralls are "soul bonded" to your target and when they die they do something to the target like DMG or steal hp and return it to the caster?
What about giving the shadow effect a diminishing return effect? So at certain intervals like 5, 10,15 %magic dmg the scaling is lowered? might make it more complicated than necessary though
Idea for thrall. It could highlight at semi random intervals for a couple ticks and clicking on it when it's highlighted doubled the damage of it's next attack or guaranteed a max hit on that attack. Feels simple to slot into the game and a bit more complex in terms of APM. Master and GM's would use less of the currency as it'll highlight more often due to longer duration no need to unsummon or dismiss.
Reddit wanting the cape to be untradeable is wild, considering most are going to pay someone to get it anyways
Content shouldn't be based around leechers or boosts. By this logic Jagex should remove rev caves and lms because it is filled with bots and gold farmers yet the will never do it because that will only hurt real players.
@@mohdawad7339 they should remove rev caves
What about book of the dead can be charged to cast thrall spell without being on the book ? No dps increase.
I agree with you, I honestly didnt care that the cape was tradable, since most bis are tradable. It's what makes an MMO more exciting, being able to see value out of your effort.
Each thrall having it's own effect which is based of it's version, mage, ranged & melee makes much more sense than giving it a boomerang mechanic. Keep it simple jagex.
Simple fun idea that can be developed into something huge: make the thrall posess the enemy/mob and deal damage from inside it :) book of the dead shouldn't be used in order to summon it , too many switches... Every time I do a raid I take only 1 or 2 brews max with me... the rest of the invy is full of switches.
How about the last attack the thrall does before the timer is up does a larger damage attack
I can see your point about how the content is different so the rewards shouldn’t necessarily be the same way as colo/inferno. I agree with that, but I also feel capes should be kept untradeable. I think they should just remove the cape from this content entirely
Omni thrall might be cool, or three uniquely buffed thralls to introduce choice, maybe with a giga melee thrall so it can feel nice to use it
Good video. I like the idea of the new bis mage cape getting some kind of cosmetic kit after x amount of delve 8+ extensions. I think that's the solution to people wanting a prestigious version of that cape.
As for the boots, I do think they're underpowered for how long we've waited for the boot combination. They should at least have an extra strength and mage point over prims and eternals.
For thralls, I want the upgrade to them to be more advantageous towards Master/GM somehow. For example, at base level they gain 1 extra damage, so their damage goes from 1-3 to 1-4, and then every 10 seconds they're out, the buffed version does one big hit that's 4-7. Done zero calcs so that's probably wildly OP, but just a thought. This whole placement thing is nonsense and would be too situational to be effective, and not fun to learn.
Side note, it would be cool if similar to Ralos, these items could be charged with sunfire for extra effects. For pvp, the treads could be given a spike effect when charged with sunfire, when a player steps under a player wearing charged treads, they take 1 damage every couple ticks. (preventing stand under logouts) and giving a direct counter to that tactic, which currently does not have any counters.
The cape could have it's defence stats restored when charged with sunfire (odd that they're lost when combined with the ma2 cape, which has them) and also remove the -2 to prayer, and buff the mage % by 1.
Have the new capes break down into the thrall upgrade consumable, similar to the quiver and splinters
They could make it so maybe you get something like an untradeable chain/rope to keep the cape fastened around your neck & shoulders the 1st time you complete a wave 8 & have bolts of magic cloth the boss drops required to make the cape that are tradeable so maybe you need to do wave 8 once to get your chain & then you can just go and buy X amount of bolts of magic cloth off the GE or w/e to make the full cape so it'd still have a little status to it if the wave 8 is hard for most players & would still be massively impressive on like an iron cause you'd have to farm the boss enough at higher waves to get your cloth.
first or last x amount of second of thrall time gives 5% buff to accuracy or dmg?
If they want to keep an element of prestige to the cape, keep it tradeable but have the cape graphically update dependent on how deep you've gone into the delve. Special Variant/skin at say Floor 8 v10 or something
Ooh I like this a lot 👍
The boss can drop 3 boot materials/ damaged boots like god sword shard pieces to take the place of dragon, infinity, and rangers
Your thoughts for the cape is perfect imo
I'd love to see the thrall upgrades make your thralls mimic your spec attacks, not at full effectiveness ofc and only melee thralls use melee specs and same to range and mage. Would make thralls more useable elsewhere.
Mage cape should add a rune saving effect similar to assembler/quiver. Not 80% but even like 50% would be huge. Harm staff with searing pages costs 1.5m an hour right now, lets make it at least reasonable.
Im a uim for me every drop is an untradable why are we forcing mains to play as iron?
Agreed if you want to show off your items you worked for and didn't buy be on an Ironman account
I said this in the last vid but maybe you can give you input on this:
It seems like they want to do it in a way where skill is rewarded rather than a flat upgrade to dps. So to keep in line with it, maybe it should be something along the lines of a random timing indicator for u to resummon the thrall to deal 2x damage for the next 15/30s.
This way, it rewards gameplay with more dps upon hitting the right timing while also punishing players (with loss prayer + used consumables) when failing to do the mechanic. However, I can see issues with this idea clashing with thrall summon cooldown so maybe they can reduce thrall cooldown to maybe 20s or something
Spam resummoning isn't great either, I don't like the idea of spamming a thrall and being punished for the prayer usage and if it is random, it makes it hard to balance from being too weak and useless or too rng heavy and OP.
I’m mobile only and final hiting the high tier stuff I’m talking inferno coliseum, bosses and maybe even raids I’m looking forward to having all three combat styles to collect now! I’m going to be one hell of a sweaty mobile player when I’m done with all this haha also transmog for pets as thralls would be a cool thing for some pet use (I know there’s plug ins but I’m mobile)
Please make a Spotify “pod cast” to upload just the audio of these. I’d appreciate it very much.
What if they made the other BIS capes buyable but in an imperfected state that consumes x material to upkeep that is obtained from the places it's obtained from. such as with sunfire shards/tokkul and when you complete said places you can be given a token of some sort to turn the cape/quiver into it's perfected state/be the thing you exchange for pet/currency
Always love the insights, thanks for the upload
To build off of the idea about thrall AOE…could have an upgrade to thralls that is specific to each type. E.g. melee 1x3 aoe, range double bounce shot (venator), mage ???
what if it was on standard spellbook? Maybe some like magic missile thing you have to use on cooldown, I don't see why arceuus has to be the "pvm spellbook" and that could preserve different uses for the different spellbooks, ie thralls at olm
maybe you could even like toggle the element to play with the stupid elemental weaknesses jagex loves so much
my thoughts on the thrall upgrade can be, they always hit 1-3, 1 game tick faster attack speed, and the consumable can go in the book of the dead
have mage thrall do 4x4 aoe effect, ranger do boomerang effect, melee do double hit (similar to machiolt effect)... each has its own variation. I think with this scenario, range would be best for consistent single target damage not in a wall, mage for aoe, and melee is good for any reachable single target (in wall or no wall)
What if the thrall upgrade gives thralls a stacking debuff which is capped at a certain amount that reduces the enemy's defence of that thralls combat style by a flat amount or % whatever idea that can be thought of. For example, most of the time an elder maul/dragon warhammer is brought to reduce melee defence in raids and in raids youre using all styles most of the time depending on the boss youre facing. When fighting olm's head and you summon a range thrall, itll reduce the range defence and it'll last as long as the thrall is doing damage. Everybody's thrall reduces the defence but it's capped at a certain number. This gives them the opportunity to still be used in places where they already are brought, simple but effective and easy to understand. The damage they do is still 0-3 though imo.
how about for thralls: 50% chance to send out a 2nd attack that deals 1-2 typeless damage, on a separate hit splat.
I think the best thing you can do is make an 8th level clear to equip, but leaving it tradable
That's dumb as hell.
😂😂😂😂😂 why
In that case, just make it a guaranteed drop, like the boss reveals an upgrade pool/shrine if you beat 8th level, then you use your cape on it to upgrade.
@@ScrythMNot really this is similar to netiznot faceguard where you can buy it off ge but you have to complete the quest in order to equip it.
Could always make the cape reward be traded in for pet chance like fire cape and inferno. Could also give it sexy high alch value or perhaps trade in to an NPC for a shop token that’s desirable.
I don't like the idea of the ammo slot thrall thing because we already use the ammo slots and it's already a tight slot even post-Quiver. Anywhere you're not using a Quiver you're almost always going to want either a Rada's blessing, a specific God blessing, or Ghommal's lucky penny, and even at places you do use a Quiver, you're using at least one type of actual ammo, sometimes two, or again the blessing or penny. Much rather see it be an upgrade to the book and then the book needs to be charged. I'd be fine with that.
I hope they do make the Mage Cape tradeable because then you have a sliding scale between the type of content that the BIS capes come from. Inferno is a non tradeable guaranteed drop that comes from content that only gives non-tradeable drops. Quiver is a non tradeable guaranteed drop but you get a chance to get some tradeable loot along the way to that drop. Then the new mage cape would be a non-guaranteed Tradeable drop that comes from content that is centered around its drops being tradeable. Jagex likes there to be diversity in their content, they didn't design all 3 raids to be the same and I think that was for the best. Parallel design is cool to some extent but it gets boring when everything feels samey. Plus making the cape tradeable fixes the cape buying issue for Jagex and for them I'm sure thats a huge selling point.
Melee thrall suggestions are always like "stacking debuffs" and "AoE on hit",
Just make them run! Actually works to offset the biggest downside of zombie thrall
Another absolute banger from the goat himself. Probably the most you've ever cooked tbh. Shadow is broken as fuck, really all of toa rewards are broken tbh. Thrall thing is just always gonna be weird they need to do a lot of work to have it in a good spot. I'm fine with them changing the cape upgrade to something else, but if it comes from here it should be tradeable. Theres no final boss or anything, you're killing the same boss at a higher level. Clearing it as a requirement to complete it is the perfect solution if people HAVE to have it be an achievement thing. Ageist is just too niche tbh, scrap it 2 bis uniques and consumables are plenty of rewards. Also totally right on boots they're great, you're saving at least 1 inv space most content and the new BP max hit with the range strength is great.
make the shadow scale more along with your (base) magic level and much less with your gear, so that a player with 99 mage and max mage gear gets the same damage and accuracy we currently have but benefits less from increased magic damage gear added in the future such as the new MA2 cape upgrade while a lower level setup, say 78 with a trident benefits more
if you are worried about a player becoming too powerful too quickly from a spooned shadow or being on a shadow rebuild and only needing the 99 magic and no gear you could make it so that accuracy is separately based on gear but damage is based on magic level or any other manner of change to make the shadow just as powerful but allowing more room for stronger equipment otherwise
So how about the cape to be tradeable, AND still be useable like a firecape for a pet roll. This does allow creditcard warriors to buy a pet but the item would retain it's value.
Adding some more magic defense, or just accuracy could work, or add some weird lore about it not boosting dessert magic. problem solved for shadow's balance issues.
Melee thrall can grant dmg reduction from the direct it's "warding" you.
Range thrall can be shot at to allow it to hit with x of your stats,
Mage thrall can be casted upon with spells to boost output or enhance it's dmg type to elemental bonus. (fertile soil = earth, vile vigour = air, humidify water etc. Also increase spellbook swap utility could be fun
Idea for thrall upgrade: target-able thrall specials. Moka consumable now gives thralls a special attack that is different per thrall.
Zombie special attack: the zombie thrall now has a chance you use temporal tear, a special attack in where a temporal tear spawns 2-3 tiles away from the target for a 1-2t window that gives you a damage boost (only applicable for caster) for one attack.
Skeleton special attack: The skeleton switches to a ballista but needs help loading it to fire a javelin at a target. Click and Run up to the skeleton to load the javelin for a powerful thrall attack.
Ghost special attack: The ghost begins channeling a powerful spell but needs help. Three target-able (and 0 attack delay causing) nodes spawn around the ghost. Once all have been hit, the spell will launch dealing massive damage.