Ive just been reading a Car and Driver magazine where they tested a M3 E92 Coupe with a 0-60 at 3.9seconds .... Thats Supercar acceleration ... and amazing piece of engineering !!!
not a surprise, m3's more of a high reving, more track oriented suspension car. c63 more of a brute force, loads of torque for burning rubber antics. i like both
It was interesting to notice that the Japanese call a corner "corner" and brakes "brakee" :) And every mid-corner reaction of the IS-F driver is priceless :)
Do you even know who these people are? The driver racing the C63 is Tsuchiya, aka the drift king. He is known around the world for being a master of car control and he specializes in RWD vehicles. He has also raced and won professionally in Le Mans. Try watching his touge battles where he is going 9/10 on mountain roads and then try telling me the man can't drive...
The results were pretty much as I'd anticipated: a well driven E90 M3 taking down the C63 and IS-F with the much weaker G37 sedan (even with 328hp) being left far behind. (Nissan should have equipped the G with the M56 powertrain as an option.)
The pre-2012 C63 had less aggressive suspension (i.e. softer) and sought overall comfort. The post-2012 C63 with Performance Pack grants uprated springs and stiffer dampers and SLS-specific hardware transfer to the 6.2 V8 liberates another 30hp. Not to mention in 2012 MB introduced a C63 coupe to do battle with E92 M3 coupe. In 2009: M3 > C63, but in 2013: C63 > M3.
C63 driver most have drive it in comfort mode. Gears didnt stay on high rpm in the courners and it did gear up and down way to often. He should have drive it in manual or atleast sport mode.. Shift time is huge between comfort - sport - manual
Clarkson doesn't need to take note of anything. He is an entertainer and that is what he does. The formula obviously works since they are still running after tons of seasons.
You obviously don't know Tsuchiya (c63 driver)... He is probably the best driver japan has ever known !! If the M3 won against the C63, it's because it is a better track car... even more on a small track like Tsukuba! C63 has a bigger engine so it has more torque, but never forget that the m3 is a lot more balanced and has a better handling !!
whIle every other car seems to wear off over the laps (brakes, tires etc) and starts under/oversteering m3 still goes like its lap 1! thats true engineering! ///M POWER !!!!
I have the olddd c32 but I prefer the m3 to the c63.. both are good but the m seems to be more fun to drive and looks sexxxy unlike the fugly c63. The black series though I would have a tough time deciding.. that's a little different.
Its obvious how well balance the M3 handling is compared to the understeering C63. The C63 appears to have more power and probably should have won if the driver took better lines though the corners. In my opinion the C63 driver was just fooling around for the camera.
even though Japan is hightech country, when it comes to automotive.....they still have to learn from the Germans how to make better cars......But I love both countries...peace
Also, many tests have proven the m3 a quicker car around a road course. I'm sure the c63 might be a better daily driver but the m3 is a much better drivers car.
If you think the e90 m3 is too bloated than you need to re evaluate your understanding of the modern world and modern engineering. Sure the e46 was a great m3, but the e90 offer everything the e46 did an now with more refinement and engine to kill for and a wonderful exuberant chassis that still offers the telepathic characteristics the e46 chassis offered except now with higher limits and predictability. A perfect all-arounder. It's an engineers wet dream. @Maxis2305
@jojajo2707 The e46 csl was indeed an amazing M. But it lacks refinement and a crappy smg gearbox with a very stiff chassis doesn't make it a good street car and pales it in comparison to the e90. If you don't think 2 seconds is something at the nurburgeing, then you are truly a nincompoop .
What the hell is a Golf TTRS? What the hell is a DKG? Have you driven on the Nurburgring? Do you own an M3 or driven one to the limits? Do you have any motor sport experience? Oh wait...? It's you tube, of course, you've done all of the above and also got an A in english class.
They don't know how to drive rear wheel drive cars If you watch other videos which are these men's,you can show it.Especially you should watch bmw 130 vs vw gti vs opel gtc vs renault rs vs type-r they can't drive 130 and type-r pass it
+Lee Bruce 重量配分ですが、伝統的にBMWは５０：５０、メルセデスは５２：４８（あるいは５３：４７）の若干のフロントヘビーになっています。動画見ていても目立つのがＣ６３のアンダーステア、ステアリングの修正。BMWはコーナーが速く、アタックでは１秒以上Ｍ３が速いという結果が出ています。パワーだけではないというのがよく分かる動画ですね。 実際私もどちらも乗ったことがありますが、街でゆったり乗るのに楽なのはメルセデスです。以前のメルセデスはそのためにステアリングも少し大きめになっていたと言われています。逆にちょっと気合入れて高速飛ばそうとおもうとBMWが楽です。重量配分もですが、サスペンションの味付けも随分違うように感じました。 素人が色々書きたててすいません、個人的に感じたことを書いてみました。
Haha nice M3, look at the balance of that drift at the end :D
The M3 drift at the end was awesome!
I'm an AMG fan but unfortunately i would prefer the M3 in this case...
damn that M3 sounds so sexy, and it is the best track car
///M3 THE BEST!
These people really know how to do a proper comparison. Other car shows just put all the cars in a drag race and decide the winner.
Ive just been reading a Car and Driver magazine where they tested a M3 E92 Coupe with a 0-60 at 3.9seconds .... Thats Supercar acceleration ... and amazing piece of engineering !!!
//M Power!
not a surprise, m3's more of a high reving, more track oriented suspension car. c63 more of a brute force, loads of torque for burning rubber antics. i like both
It was interesting to notice that the Japanese call a corner "corner" and brakes "brakee" :)
And every mid-corner reaction of the IS-F driver is priceless :)
And that's why the M3 did the better lap time huh? :D You can clearly see that the M3 is much faster in the corners than the other cars.
IS-F のホイールベースが
プールより長くなっちょる🤣🤣
Do you even know who these people are? The driver racing the C63 is Tsuchiya, aka the drift king. He is known around the world for being a master of car control and he specializes in RWD vehicles. He has also raced and won professionally in Le Mans. Try watching his touge battles where he is going 9/10 on mountain roads and then try telling me the man can't drive...
BMW my LOVEEEEE!!! ///M Power!!!! Even diesel engines are the BEST!!! Bayererrrr!!!!!
YUP
///M power!!! Don't mess with the M3 on the track. They seem to have a lot of fun!
The results were pretty much as I'd anticipated: a well driven E90 M3 taking down the C63 and IS-F with the much weaker G37 sedan (even with 328hp) being left far behind. (Nissan should have equipped the G with the M56 powertrain as an option.)
やっぱり、ヨタの偽高級車がドイツ車に勝つのは100年早い
+Hikaru Shimasaki (hikabon1105) 個人的に勿体無いと感じたのが、ミッション。例えばBMW、この動画はMTでしたが、ラインナップはＤＣＴもありました。IS-Fは一般的なトルコンの8AT。もうちょっと画期的なミッションを積んでほしかったです。排気量もＭ３より大きいのにそれを伝達するシステムがトルコン、勿体無い気がしました。他にもあると思いますが、個人的にはミッションです。
それは、コストカットのためですか?
+Hikaru Shimasaki (hikabon1105) これは個人的見解ですが、トヨタのＩＳーＦに対する位置付けがその程度だということではないでしょうか。つまり本気でスポーツセダンを作るつもりはなかった。とりあえずFRの大排気量のコンパクトセダン作りましたよ、みたいな気がします。仰るようにコストカットもだと思います。
いくらスポーツセダンと言いながらも、新たにミッションを作ってまで割りあてるつもりはないよ、トルコン式で間に合わせますよと。多段化して誤魔化した？のかな。
ＢＭＷは楽しいセダンを作り続けてきましたから、見た目や名前だけ真似しても厳しいと思います。ＢＭＷも長年の経験から今があるわけですし。
The pre-2012 C63 had less aggressive suspension (i.e. softer) and sought overall comfort. The post-2012 C63 with Performance Pack grants uprated springs and stiffer dampers and SLS-specific hardware transfer to the 6.2 V8 liberates another 30hp. Not to mention in 2012 MB introduced a C63 coupe to do battle with E92 M3 coupe.
In 2009: M3 > C63, but in 2013: C63 > M3.
i like 2 bmw's the m3 e90 and the m5 e60 2 beast cars :D
The e90 m3. The last of its kind. Cars like the e90 m3 will be missed.
C63 driver most have drive it in comfort mode. Gears didnt stay on high rpm in the courners and it did gear up and down way to often.
He should have drive it in manual or atleast sport mode..
Shift time is huge between comfort - sport - manual
I have drive both C63 and CLK 63 and i own a CLK 55 and im not sure about the way the gearbox decide gearchanges.
And there is a manual mode.
Clarkson doesn't need to take note of anything. He is an entertainer and that is what he does. The formula obviously works since they are still running after tons of seasons.
that beemz handles well!!
最後余裕ぶっこいてドリフトキメる影山選手に拍手👏
Where is the rs4? :(
wow the ISF handling sucks lol , always oversteering.
M3 pilot on the C63 it was a BOMB!
Japanese shows are like videogames, same music, same narrator, everything.
The C63 is in sport mode in this video. You would know if you have ever driven one and there is no manual for the C63.
GERMAN CARS ARE THE BEST! AMG + BMW = PERFECTION
You obviously don't know Tsuchiya (c63 driver)... He is probably the best driver japan has ever known !! If the M3 won against the C63, it's because it is a better track car... even more on a small track like Tsukuba! C63 has a bigger engine so it has more torque, but never forget that the m3 is a lot more balanced and has a better handling !!
whIle every other car seems to wear off over the laps (brakes, tires etc) and starts under/oversteering m3 still goes like its lap 1! thats true engineering! ///M POWER !!!!
omg @5:35 I seriously thought he was gonna make contact. I woulda shat myself
cant understand any word but this sounds very funny :P
poor Tsuchiya-san hes trying so hard not to drift that C63 EVEN HE WANTS TO XD!
I have the olddd c32 but I prefer the m3 to the c63.. both are good but the m seems to be more fun to drive and looks sexxxy unlike the fugly c63. The black series though I would have a tough time deciding.. that's a little different.
c63 is a good in a straight lane but the m3 is better balanced, thats why it dominate the track
Its obvious how well balance the M3 handling is compared to the understeering C63. The C63 appears to have more power and probably should have won if the driver took better lines though the corners. In my opinion the C63 driver was just fooling around for the camera.
Ultimate driving machine
even though Japan is hightech country, when it comes to automotive.....they still have to learn from the Germans how to make better cars......But I love both countries...peace
M3 Handling, Brakes & Suspension Power!!!!!!!!
German cars have no competition, they are all great but I prefer Mercedes ❤
if you say so, tell me why I obviously don't know tsuchiya ?? I'm very curious ;)
the reasons why bmw is better
ITB intake high RPM V8
good gas respons
the ballans of the M3 perfect
and as last MANUAL gearbox !!
the english translation is crap does anyone have this video with English subtitles?
From the video it is clrea that C63 is the fastest car if is driven correctly!
IS-F seems to have the best lap time overall.
bmw #1 cars in the world
Yup. BMW always the best 1
hapy end with drift :)
BMW
Not to mention that M3 was manual. With DKG it could perform even better.
Also, many tests have proven the m3 a quicker car around a road course. I'm sure the c63 might be a better daily driver but the m3 is a much better drivers car.
Simple truth is you can't mess with ///M
何故M3はDCTじゃなくてMT使ってるんだろう？
If you think the e90 m3 is too bloated than you need to re evaluate your understanding of the modern world and modern engineering. Sure the e46 was a great m3, but the e90 offer everything the e46 did an now with more refinement and engine to kill for and a wonderful exuberant chassis that still offers the telepathic characteristics the e46 chassis offered except now with higher limits and predictability. A perfect all-arounder. It's an engineers wet dream. @Maxis2305
M3 Is very nice car but I prefer C63 because it is much faster
i wanna tv programs like this in italy :(
M3 The best...
BMW ///Motorsport
AMG C63 > M3 on drag race but M3 > AMG C63 on track !
実際にC63乗ってる奴はみんな直線番長だよね
レクサスはデザインやらネーミングを真似するんじゃなくて、BMWの根本的な車作りを真似するとこからやり直しだな。
+Midnightbeamer 以前土屋さんも話してました、ＩＳ－ＦはＭ３の出来損ないだと。見た目だけかっこよくしてデカイキャリパー着けたり、４本だしマフラーにしても、中身は別物だといったことでした。マイチェンしてからだいぶマシになったとは言うものの、どうなのか。やはりそこは楽しいＦＲをとことん追求してきたＢＭＷの長年の開発にはかないませんね。
+Midnightbeamer 80点のクルマづくりをしてきたメーカーですからねぇ…
@jojajo2707 The e46 csl was indeed an amazing M. But it lacks refinement and a crappy smg gearbox with a very stiff chassis doesn't make it a good street car and pales it in comparison to the e90. If you don't think 2 seconds is something at the nurburgeing, then you are truly a nincompoop .
c63 is faster in straight line but m3 is much better in corners. top gear track test resulted in m3 winning. drag race won by c63.
Yes you're right but C63 is much better I think ...
Gosh looks so fun!
//M Power
What the hell is a Golf TTRS? What the hell is a DKG? Have you driven on the Nurburgring? Do you own an M3 or driven one to the limits? Do you have any motor sport experience? Oh wait...? It's you tube, of course, you've done all of the above and also got an A in english class.
///M Power!
M POWER
The germans kicked ass
BMWのシャシー性能が優秀！
C63 design >>>> M3 design
M3 POWER!!!!\
had no idea AMG built boats.
BMW M/// IS BEST 3
M power
AMG
//////////////////////M！
AMG of course
//M Power
No Comment!
No that's just not true. It is a question of taste.
They don't know how to drive rear wheel drive cars If you watch other videos which are these men's,you can show it.Especially you should watch bmw 130 vs vw gti vs opel gtc vs renault rs vs type-r they can't drive 130 and type-r pass it
6:21 解説が「M3は重量配分が良くて、C63はラインを外すと致命傷。」って、どう言う意味でしょう？C63を舐めてはいけません。
しかし、M3.流石です！
CクラスのボディにむりやりV8ユニットぶち込んでる車の重量バランスなんてたかが知れてる。致命傷って表現は間違ってないと思うけど。
+Lee Bruce 重量配分ですが、伝統的にBMWは５０：５０、メルセデスは５２：４８（あるいは５３：４７）の若干のフロントヘビーになっています。動画見ていても目立つのがＣ６３のアンダーステア、ステアリングの修正。BMWはコーナーが速く、アタックでは１秒以上Ｍ３が速いという結果が出ています。パワーだけではないというのがよく分かる動画ですね。
実際私もどちらも乗ったことがありますが、街でゆったり乗るのに楽なのはメルセデスです。以前のメルセデスはそのためにステアリングも少し大きめになっていたと言われています。逆にちょっと気合入れて高速飛ばそうとおもうとBMWが楽です。重量配分もですが、サスペンションの味付けも随分違うように感じました。
素人が色々書きたててすいません、個人的に感じたことを書いてみました。
C63 AMG BEST CAR EVER!
subarashi =)
It looks like they have trouble handling V8
2 much vodka my friend ? Cuz what u wrote has nothing 2 do with what i wrote ...
M3 > C63
Balance > Power
Don't forget ur diary tomorrow.
///M POWER!
AMG power
///M Power
lol you didn't watch the whole video, did you?
///M all the way!!!
AMG 4 life
C63 too heavy and no LSD, no chance against track bred M3
the AMG was driven by Keichi Tsuchiya, regarded as one of the best Japanese drivers. You're just a butt hurt pussy mercedes fan!
europian car...!!!!
M3 :p so base u mad bro ???
AMG all the way.
///M3
German cars;-)