Same, I build him bc the traveler own him a life, before he is used in my HuTao team but when I have Zhongli in 2.8 he is replaced, but now feel so good when using him as a new role when dendro release, his burst do snapshot, so perfect synergy with Nahida, sucrose & Collei's EM buff
@@yashsarda2263 Same I also use Kuki but I'm just now building Thoma since I got him to c4. It's a pain getting triple EM from Gilded set so what I did is slap triple EM Instructor set on Kuki (she has like 770+EM) which works great then the Gilded can now go to Thoma.
Albedo is extremely underrated in Burgeon & Burning Team. His kit fits perfectly for controlling the burning aura, with the addition of Crystallized shields (who would've thought it'd be useful) to further prevent your characters from taking damage. His personal damage is also decent, dealing about 15k dps on average and it lasts for 30s. His burst also increases your party's EM for increased damage.
Sounds good, will test. your Albedo must be cracked though. without geo resonance and external buffs mine does ~13k per flower on average (16k crit) lvl 90 talent level 8, signature weapon(lvl90) and set(husk), 23 crit/def substats, so that's ~6500dps assuming you pop every blossom on the frame it spawns.
I love that dendro with single update changed meta so much that characters that were "bad" are now "fixed" . They have such strong new roles teamcomps.
@@OlexiVR I think putting Xinyan in mono Pyro with C6 Bennett and Xiangling is just better. Is she better than Klee in it. No. But it's still OK because it's Bennett and Xiangling XD
I was so H̶o̶r̶n̶k̶n̶e̶e̶ infatuated, I built Thoma in his first release and now I am so happy that he’s my MVP ever since the dendro update in my spiral abyss. He even beat my Rational and Geo team and had the highest kills in my Spiral Abyss hehe. Happy gaming to all my fellow Thoma enjoyers! ❤
Funny how Thoma’s ascension material, Fluorescent Fungus, is, well, a fungus. It’s a term you will hear in the Sumeru/Dendro patch. It is as if the Developers intended him for Burgeon right from the very start.
@@jyusatsu As someone who build him Physical, the extra atk% is pretty useful. But for my burgeon team (I have 2 builds for every character I own) it's very much meh.
It's interesting that Hoyoverse releases so many characters before they are "ready". Yae and Kuki's EM scaling made little sense until spread/aggravate became a thing. And Thoma was sub-par until burgeon was implemented. I both like that old characters are becoming fresh with dendro, and dislike that these characters were apparently "incomplete" with their release. Not sure how I feel about it overall.
I'm not sure Hoyo actually planned Thoma to be good with burgeon, he's released wayyyyy back in 2.2, I don't think they already have ideas for specific dendro reactions by then. For Yae and especially Kuki, I can see them released with dendro in mind. Its fortunate that he actually have a great team now though, I have a reason to build him besides just being an inferior zhongli now
@@jsw973 Dude, did you know that everything is almost planned from the very beginning? They even released a sneak peak of ALL Archon quests until Kaenrah right at game release. Hahaha
@@jsw973 If the speculation of release changes are true, where Kokomi and Yae were switched, Yae's first kit would've been in production right as Thoma was being worked on, when they then decided to delay her to make her dendro focused. I actually think Thoma's kit has a different origin than we think, but his current iteration would've come out long after they would've been working on dendro stuff for a while. Remember, they need time building the entire region's assets, which means starting even earlier than the several months to make a character kit.
I've had Thoma built and invested into since his first banner and I will die on the hill in saying that he is a good shielder (even great) if you actually build and play him properly. He's even my second go to shielder next to Zhongli because of his refreshing shield mechanic. When dendro was added I was so excited to be able to use him in a new playstyle because now he at least has more options other than just provide shielding!
4:48 Bro you became Bri'ish for a minute there! Really loved this video. You and Sevy are fantastic at making relatively niche guide videos, and I appreciate them so much
I just got Childe and I was building Thoma... the 2 of them work EXTREMELY well. Unfortunately I don't have Nahida so I use dendro traveler but the team is so fun! As the 4th slot I think Jean can work really well, since she can be equipped with favonius, has a spammable skill that has so many particles and heals pretty well. Also Venti can work very well I think if you put favonius on him (and even with poor rate, his burst has so many instances of damage that he surely will somewhen crit). I love Thoma and finally dendro gave me a reason to build him!
@@playmaker619 In the open world she can use up that last slot and the trio can be complete 🫶 Unfortunately she’ll probably have to sit out in Abyss haha.
Thoma xingqiu nahida and kuki for burgeon and hyperbloom damage. So thoma hits first with burgeon and the kukibloom after. Works well. Burst with everyone and let nahida or kuki go ham with normal attacks.
like shinobu heal scale with EM, and she doesn't really have energy problem, while Thoma have energy problem. So a shield base on EM would be a bit more fair for him imo
With the introduction of Dendro and Guilded Dreams, it means no character can ever really be bad anymore. You can just slap on an EM weapon, GD WITH EM/EM/EM, level 90 them and go to town. You can just completely ignore any kind of scaling they have for their abilities as well, since its all reaction damage, it's actually pretty cool. Like have you seen Shatterbloom Candace, it's really damn cool. Build her full EM, freeze someone and you can do a bunch of damage cause she shatters them, you can even do it with someone like Sayu, full EM, hydro infusion, freeze and shatter. Even Lisa is pretty great now, with her aggrivate/quicken builds because of full EM Gilded with EM weapons, and shes really good because her burst powers defense and her ascension stat is even EM. Going forward, EM is just gonna be the king stat and 100% Mihoyo is gonna start releasing enemies that fuck with you EM, like how the Knights and Corrosion came out to fuck with shields and energy draining enemies have been more apparent since the Hydro and Electro Vishaps.
I've always been excited to build my Thoma after I'm done with my last priority character from Sumeru; Scaramouche. After getting Scaramouche I can finally start building my neglected characters that I've always wanted to build like Kaeya, Thoma, and Razor again.
I would never thought tht my lvl 80 Thoma could fit so perfectly with dendro. I already tested him during the previous abyss with your recommended team comp and abyss was instant deleted
aye take back what you said about almost regretting the first video. you put me on and i been using thoma since then and hes great, im for sure gonna try the burgeon team
I'd like to point out that his constellations, while not increasing your burgeon damage directly, can also be very helpful! Basically his c1, c2 and c4 help him with energy requirement/ burst uptime and his c6 can increase the damage of a hydro dps you might be using (Ayato/ Childe/ Kokomi). But a very great and enjoyable to watch guide!!
I already started using Thoma for Nahida burgeon. He's built wrong, but he still does a lot more damage than I expected. Can't wait to finish building him
I got c4 Thoma and a bonus ginger water Thoma on my secondary while trying to get a Layla (which I didn't) so this video has perfect timing. I was actually already working on burgeon Thoma before and was farming for artifacts anyway (getting EM as a main stat is always a PAIN in the ass no matter what set). My only problem is getting enough ER for him but we'll get there eventually
Eyyy!!! Thank you! I somehow got Thoma off the Standard Banner and I got his C1 off Yae's banner so I'm trying to build him right now and I want to use him with Nahida but I didn't really know how.
Loved running Thoma with Homa since his release. No, he's not making the highest DPS team when built around him. BUT he's super fun with soooo many wacky teams and builds.
just yesterday i thought about building burgen thoma and wanted to watch your guide, but (obviously) didn't find it. and here we are :) thank you sm for this video!
I like how dendro is a turning point to many characters. I build Thoma simply coz I have his cons and he is handsome but I don't use him as much as I would like to. Then dendro came and I put him in the same team as Ayato. Same for Kuki, Barbara and Lisa. I don't use them but leveled them up coz I want to and now my Kuki working double in hyperbloom team
before nahida, we had the camera event. maybe the new fungi-mon event will mimic how dehya's skill will work since leaks said something about her summoning a sword from a grave or something. possible she could be used for burgeon. that way her sword-pet takes the damage and has a auto-cool down.
To be honest, I'm just trying to find an excuse to build Thoma over my other unbuilt characters. I'm pretty well off in Abyss, so I have freedom on whoever I can spend both primos and resources on.
Thoma was my first limited banner pull and I loved him immediately. But for a long time, I couldn't raise him and by the time I could, he had already been overshadowed by the majority of my roster. I've been wanting to go back and fully raise him, and Dendro and your vid has given me the best reasons to do it now. Thank you! Can't wait to go blow stuff up with him 🤗🔥🥰
Thoma is great. I've been running him together with Nahida, Xingqiu and Kuki in a hybrid Burgeon/Hyperbloom comp. Kuki does a lot to heal all that self Burgeon damage.
i had an em thoma build on noblese but i stopped working on it when i heard about the new paradise lost set, its got the same 80 em 2pc stat as gilded and boosts burgeon damage so I'm curious if this will be even better than gilded. regardless i still have to go back the deepwood domain for alhaitham so getting another em gilded set (current one is on kuki) may be a bit easier but i am deff holding off till we get to see the new set on him.
it doesn't take away the value from gilded dreams imo(even if the new set ends up being better),also you can farm both GD and deepwood from the same domain,and deepwood is kinda the VV for dendro-centered teams
That set is good but relatively pointless. Like, why didn't we get that first then guilded, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FARMED GUILDED FOR HYPERBLOOM TEAMS XD
Most people who play with Dendro in general will see alot of pay off by farming that domain because several charcters can use it extremely well even if there is a new set coming soon. I'm still farming it after over 1000 resin 😢 haven't seen any EM main stats on either set once for 5 stars.
I'm thinking about a team with Toma as the activ driver, Nahida, 6C Diona and Xingqiu. With Toma on field he can get +200EM and +250 EM from Diona and Nahida. Also he needs less ER because he is catching the particles. And as a bonus you can watch his beautiful normal attacks.
Hmm, this inspired me to build Thoma. I already have a hyperbloom team with on-field Kokomi, Nahida, Xingqiu, and Kuki as the hyperbloom trigger. Using the same team, I can swap Kuki and her artifacts with Thoma and it becomes a burgeon team. Hyperbloom for single target, burgeon for aoe. Plus, both Kuki and Thoma also benefit from hydro resonance.
What I hope though is that they increase the burgeon damage limit to 3 instead of 2 so that it'll be as competitive as hyperbloom. Because let's be real here, hyperbloom is better. they don't hurt you as much, the elements used to trigger them (electro, hydro and dendro) work sooo well together and don't cause unwanted reaction such as burning. they are homing and hit flying enemies. Giving burgeon a higher damage limit will increase its aoe advantage over hyperbloom. My husband (triple crowned thoma) needs this.
If you're reading this, please note that there's a better set of artifacts for Thoma that was released 15 days after this video got uploaded, that set being Flower of Paradise Lost
I actually got him in 2.2 and built him because I like him as a character. I've been using him in the abyss ever since. Now that dendro is released I'm so glad I built him so now I have a solid burgeon team because of him❤️
Kitain cross spear actually beats Favonius lance in terms of energy generation, at the cost of not being able to battery your team. Even if you're running high ER and let Thoma collect the white particles on field... Kitain cross spear will still give more energy without having to collect particles. And Kitain gives EM on top of that.
So in laymans terms, could you explain how to use burgeon with Thoma? It seems Dendro character is what is out there. I've been using Tignari, Barbara and Yanfei. Tignari applies dendro, then Barbara attacks creating the Bloom then Yanfei attacks causing the Burgeon. How is this done with Thoma? Thanks for help.
People overlook that Xinyans Pulsing shield also can be a good burgeon enabler if you build her EM. It has Razor Thundering Furry energy but it does work.
I can see she can works too. But her pulsing shield is limited by how many enemies getting hit with her skill unless you have her C2 which is you can trigger her lvl 3 shield off burst CD. While thoma is only limited by his ER which it is easier to handle.
They don't overlook it they just now that it isn't worth using because she is 100 times less practical. For her Pyro pulses to exist she needs "to hit 2/3 enemies" for it to work and we all know how that usually ends. Plus of her shield breaks she'll litteraly do nothing in that team.
I still prefer using kazuha in intergrassional (Childe, Bennett, Kazuha, Nahida) since kazuha already builds em regardless while bringing buffs, debuffs, sub dps and most importantly CC which is invaluable in a heavily aoe based comp with childes true quadratic scaling and burgeon's increased seed generation in aoe. Not to mention he grows in em making his burgeons do more dmg. Additionally intergrassional has a lot of front loaded dmg which is generally the best kind of dmg in the vast majority of situations.
UGHH. I am still deciding. I have the catch almost R5 and a Xiangling. But I'm husbando lover and Thoma with my Childe sounds amazing. I don't have Nahida however, and the application from the traveler/Collee is too slow for him I believe. Tighnari ofcourse is more of a onfield, wich defeats the purpose of using Childe trying to proc things. I'm going to be honest, I lack in the pyro department. I have Yanfei, but she is a main dps and can't be used for the pyro application, and the other one is Bennet, but that is mostly quickswap then and once again, Childe is not useful then. Should I wait for a dendro unit that can eventually apply dendro fast enough (other than nahida) for childe? (Will this ever happen idk, I do want Baizhu though, I hope he is a healing/dendro applier). Or would it be smarter to just build Xiangling because broken off field support.
yay! I finally pulled thoma from this banner and wanted to find a way to main him but didn’t want to kick out my (usually mdps) kokomi. now I can still play with both. :’D
While excited for thoma it was sadly for the more conventional amplifying reactions specifically for the forgotten boy chongyun. Mans a normal attacker which benefits from stacking thomas shield and c6 buff while being able to melt ult hits . I looked at burgeon thoma a bit weirdly. I feel like you kinda gimp the thoma shield value by kicking it in the face with seed damage. Bad enough shield needs stack but its also taking phat damage at the same time. For my burgeon needs i came up with something different. I ended up using yanfei dps instead. I teamed her up with yelan, barbra, and collei. If other dendro options come out i might swap collei but it does what it has too. Double hydro buffs yanfei c4 shield. Yanfei being a ranged aoe damage dealer means she can safely proc burgeon seeds from a distance with her own shield incase she is too close. I think if anything it looks pretty similar to how a quickbloom team works, where its equal parts quicken and hyperbloom reactions. In the case for this team you end up getting a healthy mix of vaporize, burning, and burgeon, due to all the elements going off at the same time.
Thanks this video will help my friend out alot since he is new and has xingqui and wanted thoma alot since their name is Thomas and they have blond hair and their favourite vision is pyro and no he is not tommyinit 💀
Ok but how did you read my mind when I thought that I wanted a burgeon Thoma guide? Like seriously the timing is amazing lol. Anyways jokes aside great guide!
I just tried a thoma burgeon team last night and oh boy it was fun. And with the new artifact set coming in 3.3, i cant wait to see how much better it gets. My thoma main butt is happy XD
I advise you to try physical dmg Thoma. I'm running him with crescent pike and Echoes of an Offering 4x set. He is doing more with normal attack sequence, than this burgeon explosion. He's really cool as a physical dps :)
I got Thoma recently and decided to go all out on him cause I got sick of xiangling and amber's loud asses. It's been weird since he is my 1st shielder I decided to use. But I've been using him and Barbara + Nahida and it's been fun. I read somewhere this was called a burgeon team and decided to look it up (i'm very new to the game), that's how I wound up in this video. Thank you for the explanation!
@@kawaiimika7974 They fill completely different roles. Cyno is a hypercarry, whereas Kuki is an off-field electro enabler. A more accurate comparison would be Cyno vs. Raiden/Keqing.
Ever since Dendro released I've been using an AyaThoma burgeon team and, although my Thoma still has mostly his shielder build, he consistently deals 13K to 21K burgeon reactions. And alongside my Ayato they're literal beasts. They obliterate everything together and I usually have Zhongli for the flexible slot. I'm still building both my Thoma and my Ayato, tho Ayato is probably my best built character among all. I've always loved Thoma. He was one of my first characters (I started playing less than a year ago) and he literally carried me alongside Kaeya until AR45 so I've always felt a little bit upset when people trash talk about him and say that his shield sucks and is the worst in the game when actually he has the second best shield... they just don't know how to play Thoma.
I’m using a Nahida Venti Xingqiu Thoma team and, let me tell you, it is incredible. I actually run 2 Hp% pieces instead of 3x EM, giving his shield enough health to last the burgeon explosions and enemy damage while under the damage reduction from Xingqiu’s swords. I’ve actually been lucky enough to pull an Emblem set that allows me to run Venti without a sacrificial weapon, so I use the Jade Cutter on him. That allows me to use whatever HP% main or sub stats he gets to increase his damage *and* healing percent, so my active character’s get back around 4k health when his swords deactivate. Venti provides crowd control, and a bit of damage boost for whatever element gets infused. It’s actually great, as infusing hydro nets me more cores that I can pop with Thoma. it also means any bloom and burgeon explosions affect any enemies stuck in the tornado. Finally, if I ever manage to get my Nahida to C2, the crit that burning gets access to would make a fire tornado insane, I think.
Almost a year later. Here I am, a new viewer, looking to transition my shieldbot Thoma to a grenadebot Thoma. Kitain Cross Spear, with 4pc Flowers of Paradise Lost. Have you tried this set with him?
thoma makes me excited whether alhaitham will make burgeon viable as well if alhaitham does end up having a lot of dendro application while dps like ayaka
Underrated character due to bad first impression of him from release. He was designed to shield hutao in the first place in vv shred team and end up being buffed this strong in burgeon team. Off-field character that can applied element based on melee atk are always futureproof like thoma,xingqiu, and beidou. I still would only build him if you got his c4. If not his ER and HP stats will not be balanced for proper build.
Idk if you would still answer this, but why doesnt xinyan's lower energy requirement and two ways of providing pyro aplication (skill and C2 burst) + extra survivability frok the previous point not make her a popular choice for this team archetipe?
actually in this abyss f12 chamber 2, with enemy have aura on them, you can abuse nahida tri karma and xingqiu rainsword to make as much as seed and go with diluc burgeon. last slot can be zhongli for comfort or diona for more EM buff (if c6) or other dendro if you can play without healer or shielder.
I put new fresh Thoma (from the latest banner!) on my team because I like him, along with my usual team of Zhongli, Nahida, and Tartaglia, and what do you know... he burgeons so easily!!! Wow!!! I'm building him now. 👏
i honestly like Childe in burgeon teams as it helps with controlling Burning since he applies hydro so fast he can Proc Vape and Bloom at the same time at once. but how long do you keep him on field though. i only stay on field for 12 seconds normally.
@@usmanya5110 The way I keep track on Tartaglia's timing is by doing his Elemental Burst and watch its cooldown as my on-screen timer. I usually leave the Elemental Skill stance before or at least at 4 seconds left.
@@MagisterialVoyagerah ok. then i guess should build a bit more ER on him then. cause i run him With Kuki, Thoma and Nahida. and normally i use kuki's ring as an Indicator to know how long i have to stay in melee form. once it halfway through the duration you turn off. i'm planning to replace Kuki with Rosaria and maybe Zhongli once i get him since i'm gonna use her in a Al haitham Quickbloom team. Rosaria because her skill last only 10 seconds if i'm correct before c2. now zhongli i'll probably do it you're way.
hey dragonfly, have you checked out burgeon teams with bennett burst and full em kazuha? kazuha will target benny's burst to infuse pyro, and they are both insane buffers for an on field hydro unit.
Yao Yao is honestly better than dendro mc imo. She heals and has some really solid dendro application. The application is a bit lackluster if enemies aren’t close, if you don’t have nahida and need some healing in a burgeon team I’d recommend Yao Yao.
@@usmanya5110 Thoma is better, but it just a game. Better option in meta perspective doesn't mean more fun than the lesser option. At least Dehya is not utterly useless and still can clear abyss easily. I can clear abyss with Dehya without Xingqiu, Nahida, Yelan, Zhongli, Kazuha, Bennett, Xiangling, & Ganyu. See how many can good character can freeze from Dehya comp and she still did good dmg? The comp is Dehya Fischl dmc Kokomi.
I just got him on the current banner. I was running bennet for my pyro for burdgeon team and when I got thoma I was like wait a damn minute he applies pyro to basic attacks and sheilds 🙊 Looks like a match made in heaven
it's strong only at C4, but C0 I am not recommending to build Thoma for Burgeon due to energy problems that can only be resolved by another pyro unit (His ult is the key anyway), and take note Thoma is not the only pyro who can do Burgeon, also his asc passive isn't EM that means his Burgeon damage is mid but isn't niche since he has shield, the only saving grace is his weapon, his weak and slow pyro application for low chance of burning.
Ngl I didn't expect him to do so much damage in burgeon team. His team also is cheap and outperforming my other teams in this abyss especially second half. Luckily, I already built him after his release.
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Ofc quickbloom Cyno is the most fun i had in a long time
Also all Thoma needs is a Sacrifical polearm and he will be absolutely amazing
I'm actually happy your made the 2.8 update, it's the reason I started building him, and I'm taking the benefits now with nahida!
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Hyperbloom Ayato, Kuki is my go to because it's strong and very comfortable.
I'm happy I'm getting so much more use out of my Yae Miko now for sure, thanks to dendro.
Thoma was my first “screw it, I’m building you because I like you” character and my investments were finally rewarded
same for me ))
Same, I build him bc the traveler own him a life, before he is used in my HuTao team but when I have Zhongli in 2.8 he is replaced, but now feel so good when using him as a new role when dendro release, his burst do snapshot, so perfect synergy with Nahida, sucrose & Collei's EM buff
THAT IS ALSO ME ON HIS RELEASE!! I even wasted my pity just to get ONE Thoma and I don't regret it
I did the same and after I got Kuki gave all his artifacts to her cause they both run triple EM and HP on Gilded Dreams anyway.
@@yashsarda2263 Same I also use Kuki but I'm just now building Thoma since I got him to c4. It's a pain getting triple EM from Gilded set so what I did is slap triple EM Instructor set on Kuki (she has like 770+EM) which works great then the Gilded can now go to Thoma.
Albedo is extremely underrated in Burgeon & Burning Team. His kit fits perfectly for controlling the burning aura, with the addition of Crystallized shields (who would've thought it'd be useful) to further prevent your characters from taking damage.
His personal damage is also decent, dealing about 15k dps on average and it lasts for 30s. His burst also increases your party's EM for increased damage.
wont the burgeon reactions destroy his flower?
@@Farpafraf Nope
Sounds good, will test.
your Albedo must be cracked though.
without geo resonance and external buffs mine does ~13k per flower on average (16k crit)
lvl 90 talent level 8, signature weapon(lvl90) and set(husk), 23 crit/def substats,
so that's ~6500dps assuming you pop every blossom on the frame it spawns.
I wanna try this. Whats the full team please?
@@prodigaloutcast Albedo - XQ - Nahida - C6 Bennett 😫😫😫
I love that dendro with single update changed meta so much that characters that were "bad" are now "fixed" . They have such strong new roles teamcomps.
like Barbara, for example. But they need to do something with physical damage. So Xinyan could shine too
@@OlexiVR I think putting Xinyan in mono Pyro with C6 Bennett and Xiangling is just better. Is she better than Klee in it. No. But it's still OK because it's Bennett and Xiangling XD
hoyo said i used the niche to destroy the niche with dendro
@@kawaiimika7974 At that point I think it would be better to play her burgeon like thoma even if its inferior version xD
@@asoret If her shield didn't instantly break with no defense it would definitely be an option XD
I was so H̶o̶r̶n̶k̶n̶e̶e̶ infatuated, I built Thoma in his first release and now I am so happy that he’s my MVP ever since the dendro update in my spiral abyss. He even beat my Rational and Geo team and had the highest kills in my Spiral Abyss hehe. Happy gaming to all my fellow Thoma enjoyers! ❤
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Omg same same ToT
I built thoma a while ago because hasubando, but once dendro arrived i could finally make a meaningful team comp for him
I'm so happy actually
Thoma is such a lovely character. Well designed, kind hearted, and a reliable asset during your trip to Inazuma.
Funny how Thoma’s ascension material, Fluorescent Fungus, is, well, a fungus. It’s a term you will hear in the Sumeru/Dendro patch. It is as if the Developers intended him for Burgeon right from the very start.
If his ascension stat is em or er, he would be very powerful to use
@@ehlol4740 yeah even hp would do. It makes no sense to me they give him atk% instead
@@jyusatsu As someone who build him Physical, the extra atk% is pretty useful. But for my burgeon team (I have 2 builds for every character I own) it's very much meh.
@@jyusatsu the same case with Faruzan, poor girl really need ER but for some reason Hoyo decide to just give Atk instead like what were they thinking?
It's interesting that Hoyoverse releases so many characters before they are "ready". Yae and Kuki's EM scaling made little sense until spread/aggravate became a thing. And Thoma was sub-par until burgeon was implemented. I both like that old characters are becoming fresh with dendro, and dislike that these characters were apparently "incomplete" with their release. Not sure how I feel about it overall.
I'm not sure Hoyo actually planned Thoma to be good with burgeon, he's released wayyyyy back in 2.2, I don't think they already have ideas for specific dendro reactions by then. For Yae and especially Kuki, I can see them released with dendro in mind. Its fortunate that he actually have a great team now though, I have a reason to build him besides just being an inferior zhongli now
@@jsw973 I think they did. I mean, Lisa scales with EM, shreds defense and has a lot of Sumeru Rose like flowers.
This is good planing.
For a game made for 10 years, 1 year is nothing.
@@jsw973 Dude, did you know that everything is almost planned from the very beginning? They even released a sneak peak of ALL Archon quests until Kaenrah right at game release. Hahaha
@@jsw973 If the speculation of release changes are true, where Kokomi and Yae were switched, Yae's first kit would've been in production right as Thoma was being worked on, when they then decided to delay her to make her dendro focused. I actually think Thoma's kit has a different origin than we think, but his current iteration would've come out long after they would've been working on dendro stuff for a while. Remember, they need time building the entire region's assets, which means starting even earlier than the several months to make a character kit.
I've had Thoma built and invested into since his first banner and I will die on the hill in saying that he is a good shielder (even great) if you actually build and play him properly. He's even my second go to shielder next to Zhongli because of his refreshing shield mechanic. When dendro was added I was so excited to be able to use him in a new playstyle because now he at least has more options other than just provide shielding!
4:48 Bro you became Bri'ish for a minute there!
Really loved this video. You and Sevy are fantastic at making relatively niche guide videos, and I appreciate them so much
I just got Childe and I was building Thoma... the 2 of them work EXTREMELY well.
Unfortunately I don't have Nahida so I use dendro traveler but the team is so fun!
As the 4th slot I think Jean can work really well, since she can be equipped with favonius, has a spammable skill that has so many particles and heals pretty well.
Also Venti can work very well I think if you put favonius on him (and even with poor rate, his burst has so many instances of damage that he surely will somewhen crit).
I love Thoma and finally dendro gave me a reason to build him!
I’m very excited Thoma and Ayato can be used together with so much success now. Come on, they belong on the same team!
So cool! Yeah! Wish ayaka could have joined with a kit like kokomi's
@@playmaker619 In the open world she can use up that last slot and the trio can be complete 🫶 Unfortunately she’ll probably have to sit out in Abyss haha.
The real kamisato estate team
Thank you so much! I’ve been wanting to build burgeon thoma team for a while and this is exactly what I needed
Heizou Thoma Xingqiu and Nahida is what I'm running for my burgeon group. Super fun, especially since 2/4 of those are on the banner now!
Same! And I took the risk and got super lucky and just got c6 Heizou and Thoma!
Thoma xingqiu nahida and kuki for burgeon and hyperbloom damage. So thoma hits first with burgeon and the kukibloom after. Works well. Burst with everyone and let nahida or kuki go ham with normal attacks.
How broken would Thoma’s shield be if it scaled with EM
it's a need
like shinobu heal scale with EM, and she doesn't really have energy problem, while Thoma have energy problem. So a shield base on EM would be a bit more fair for him imo
With the introduction of Dendro and Guilded Dreams, it means no character can ever really be bad anymore. You can just slap on an EM weapon, GD WITH EM/EM/EM, level 90 them and go to town. You can just completely ignore any kind of scaling they have for their abilities as well, since its all reaction damage, it's actually pretty cool.
Like have you seen Shatterbloom Candace, it's really damn cool. Build her full EM, freeze someone and you can do a bunch of damage cause she shatters them, you can even do it with someone like Sayu, full EM, hydro infusion, freeze and shatter.
Even Lisa is pretty great now, with her aggrivate/quicken builds because of full EM Gilded with EM weapons, and shes really good because her burst powers defense and her ascension stat is even EM.
Going forward, EM is just gonna be the king stat and 100% Mihoyo is gonna start releasing enemies that fuck with you EM, like how the Knights and Corrosion came out to fuck with shields and energy draining enemies have been more apparent since the Hydro and Electro Vishaps.
I've always been excited to build my Thoma after I'm done with my last priority character from Sumeru; Scaramouche. After getting Scaramouche I can finally start building my neglected characters that I've always wanted to build like Kaeya, Thoma, and Razor again.
I played Razor EM in Abbys, and it was super fun!
I would never thought tht my lvl 80 Thoma could fit so perfectly with dendro. I already tested him during the previous abyss with your recommended team comp and abyss was instant deleted
Been using him with Childe recently and the rotation is not clunky at all. He's slightly underrated imo
but do you vaporize hits from his shield? not that much damage
@@OlexiVR ..... Did you watch this video 😂
@@OlexiVR did u watch the video or become blind in the meta?
Yeah this is my plan too, to try and use him with Childe.
whats your full team???
I love when you switch accents 😅💓
aye take back what you said about almost regretting the first video. you put me on and i been using thoma since then and hes great, im for sure gonna try the burgeon team
Thanks for the explanation, I am going to try this!
I'd like to point out that his constellations, while not increasing your burgeon damage directly, can also be very helpful! Basically his c1, c2 and c4 help him with energy requirement/ burst uptime and his c6 can increase the damage of a hydro dps you might be using (Ayato/ Childe/ Kokomi). But a very great and enjoyable to watch guide!!
FINALLY!!! SOMEBODY IS DOING IT!!! THANK YOU 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Finally about time our male maid Thoma got some love. I really like Thoma burgeon a lot.
i knew it, burgeon is a really strong dendro reaction. TC's were underrating it back then and only talked about hyperbloom
I've leveled him to 80 recently because his burgeon comp works wonders, specially on farming books/artifact dungeon.
I already started using Thoma for Nahida burgeon. He's built wrong, but he still does a lot more damage than I expected. Can't wait to finish building him
I love how kokomi is a good option even in burgeon teams, she became so versatile
I got c4 Thoma and a bonus ginger water Thoma on my secondary while trying to get a Layla (which I didn't) so this video has perfect timing. I was actually already working on burgeon Thoma before and was farming for artifacts anyway (getting EM as a main stat is always a PAIN in the ass no matter what set). My only problem is getting enough ER for him but we'll get there eventually
Using the Inazuma spear might help. It's EM with an ER passive.
@@amandaslough125 Yeah, that's the one I'm using! I just need to farm purple ore to refine it
Eyyy!!! Thank you! I somehow got Thoma off the Standard Banner and I got his C1 off Yae's banner so I'm trying to build him right now and I want to use him with Nahida but I didn't really know how.
Loved running Thoma with Homa since his release. No, he's not making the highest DPS team when built around him. BUT he's super fun with soooo many wacky teams and builds.
just yesterday i thought about building burgen thoma and wanted to watch your guide, but (obviously) didn't find it. and here we are :) thank you sm for this video!
I like how dendro is a turning point to many characters. I build Thoma simply coz I have his cons and he is handsome but I don't use him as much as I would like to. Then dendro came and I put him in the same team as Ayato. Same for Kuki, Barbara and Lisa. I don't use them but leveled them up coz I want to and now my Kuki working double in hyperbloom team
before nahida, we had the camera event. maybe the new fungi-mon event will mimic how dehya's skill will work since leaks said something about her summoning a sword from a grave or something. possible she could be used for burgeon. that way her sword-pet takes the damage and has a auto-cool down.
Pyro Nilou.
To be honest, I'm just trying to find an excuse to build Thoma over my other unbuilt characters. I'm pretty well off in Abyss, so I have freedom on whoever I can spend both primos and resources on.
Thoma was my first limited banner pull and I loved him immediately. But for a long time, I couldn't raise him and by the time I could, he had already been overshadowed by the majority of my roster. I've been wanting to go back and fully raise him, and Dendro and your vid has given me the best reasons to do it now. Thank you! Can't wait to go blow stuff up with him 🤗🔥🥰
Thoma is great. I've been running him together with Nahida, Xingqiu and Kuki in a hybrid Burgeon/Hyperbloom comp. Kuki does a lot to heal all that self Burgeon damage.
Good; people need to hear this.
My favorite team is yelan Mona(with Amber) nahida Thoma.
i had an em thoma build on noblese but i stopped working on it when i heard about the new paradise lost set, its got the same 80 em 2pc stat as gilded and boosts burgeon damage so I'm curious if this will be even better than gilded. regardless i still have to go back the deepwood domain for alhaitham so getting another em gilded set (current one is on kuki) may be a bit easier but i am deff holding off till we get to see the new set on him.
Gilded Dreams at the moment, no? 'Cause i read (twitter leaks) that a new set will come in the next updates that increase bloom reactions.
it doesn't take away the value from gilded dreams imo(even if the new set ends up being better),also you can farm both GD and deepwood from the same domain,and deepwood is kinda the VV for dendro-centered teams
That set is good but relatively pointless. Like, why didn't we get that first then guilded, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FARMED GUILDED FOR HYPERBLOOM TEAMS XD
The gap isn't that large between glided and the new set
Most people who play with Dendro in general will see alot of pay off by farming that domain because several charcters can use it extremely well even if there is a new set coming soon.
I'm still farming it after over 1000 resin 😢 haven't seen any EM main stats on either set once for 5 stars.
I'm thinking about a team with Toma as the activ driver, Nahida, 6C Diona and Xingqiu. With Toma on field he can get +200EM and +250 EM from Diona and Nahida. Also he needs less ER because he is catching the particles. And as a bonus you can watch his beautiful normal attacks.
Oh I remembered going through your channel to find Thoma burgeon guide but only found the 2.8 version. This is helpful
Hmm, this inspired me to build Thoma. I already have a hyperbloom team with on-field Kokomi, Nahida, Xingqiu, and Kuki as the hyperbloom trigger. Using the same team, I can swap Kuki and her artifacts with Thoma and it becomes a burgeon team. Hyperbloom for single target, burgeon for aoe. Plus, both Kuki and Thoma also benefit from hydro resonance.
What I hope though is that they increase the burgeon damage limit to 3 instead of 2 so that it'll be as competitive as hyperbloom. Because let's be real here, hyperbloom is better. they don't hurt you as much, the elements used to trigger them (electro, hydro and dendro) work sooo well together and don't cause unwanted reaction such as burning. they are homing and hit flying enemies.
Giving burgeon a higher damage limit will increase its aoe advantage over hyperbloom.
My husband (triple crowned thoma) needs this.
If you're reading this, please note that there's a better set of artifacts for Thoma that was released 15 days after this video got uploaded, that set being
Flower of Paradise Lost
I actually got him in 2.2 and built him because I like him as a character. I've been using him in the abyss ever since. Now that dendro is released I'm so glad I built him so now I have a solid burgeon team because of him❤️
Kitain cross spear actually beats Favonius lance in terms of energy generation, at the cost of not being able to battery your team. Even if you're running high ER and let Thoma collect the white particles on field... Kitain cross spear will still give more energy without having to collect particles. And Kitain gives EM on top of that.
So in laymans terms, could you explain how to use burgeon with Thoma? It seems Dendro character is what is out there. I've been using Tignari, Barbara and Yanfei. Tignari applies dendro, then Barbara attacks creating the Bloom then Yanfei attacks causing the Burgeon. How is this done with Thoma? Thanks for help.
"Thoma is the only premier burgeon character"
Thundering furry razor:"am i... joke?"
People overlook that Xinyans Pulsing shield also can be a good burgeon enabler if you build her EM. It has Razor Thundering Furry energy but it does work.
I can see she can works too. But her pulsing shield is limited by how many enemies getting hit with her skill unless you have her C2 which is you can trigger her lvl 3 shield off burst CD. While thoma is only limited by his ER which it is easier to handle.
They don't overlook it they just now that it isn't worth using because she is 100 times less practical. For her Pyro pulses to exist she needs "to hit 2/3 enemies" for it to work and we all know how that usually ends. Plus of her shield breaks she'll litteraly do nothing in that team.
I still prefer using kazuha in intergrassional (Childe, Bennett, Kazuha, Nahida) since kazuha already builds em regardless while bringing buffs, debuffs, sub dps and most importantly CC which is invaluable in a heavily aoe based comp with childes true quadratic scaling and burgeon's increased seed generation in aoe. Not to mention he grows in em making his burgeons do more dmg. Additionally intergrassional has a lot of front loaded dmg which is generally the best kind of dmg in the vast majority of situations.
UGHH. I am still deciding. I have the catch almost R5 and a Xiangling. But I'm husbando lover and Thoma with my Childe sounds amazing. I don't have Nahida however, and the application from the traveler/Collee is too slow for him I believe. Tighnari ofcourse is more of a onfield, wich defeats the purpose of using Childe trying to proc things. I'm going to be honest, I lack in the pyro department. I have Yanfei, but she is a main dps and can't be used for the pyro application, and the other one is Bennet, but that is mostly quickswap then and once again, Childe is not useful then.
Should I wait for a dendro unit that can eventually apply dendro fast enough (other than nahida) for childe? (Will this ever happen idk, I do want Baizhu though, I hope he is a healing/dendro applier).
Or would it be smarter to just build Xiangling because broken off field support.
yay! I finally pulled thoma from this banner and wanted to find a way to main him but didn’t want to kick out my (usually mdps) kokomi. now I can still play with both. :’D
While excited for thoma it was sadly for the more conventional amplifying reactions specifically for the forgotten boy chongyun. Mans a normal attacker which benefits from stacking thomas shield and c6 buff while being able to melt ult hits . I looked at burgeon thoma a bit weirdly. I feel like you kinda gimp the thoma shield value by kicking it in the face with seed damage. Bad enough shield needs stack but its also taking phat damage at the same time. For my burgeon needs i came up with something different. I ended up using yanfei dps instead. I teamed her up with yelan, barbra, and collei. If other dendro options come out i might swap collei but it does what it has too. Double hydro buffs yanfei c4 shield. Yanfei being a ranged aoe damage dealer means she can safely proc burgeon seeds from a distance with her own shield incase she is too close. I think if anything it looks pretty similar to how a quickbloom team works, where its equal parts quicken and hyperbloom reactions. In the case for this team you end up getting a healthy mix of vaporize, burning, and burgeon, due to all the elements going off at the same time.
I like Thoma in burgeon. Also I heard about kazuha + bennet as a burgeon duo with dendro and hydro. Kazuha swirls fire and blows fruits
yeeee Bennett and Kazuha together can help some burgeon teams work !
I did the new abyss 2nd half with Ayato, Xingqiu, Nahida, Thoma. it was really comfy.
Thanks this video will help my friend out alot since he is new and has xingqui and wanted thoma alot since their name is Thomas and they have blond hair and their favourite vision is pyro and no he is not tommyinit 💀
Thanks for the updated guides you making... I would like to see a Razor one..
Ok but how did you read my mind when I thought that I wanted a burgeon Thoma guide? Like seriously the timing is amazing lol. Anyways jokes aside great guide!
I just tried a thoma burgeon team last night and oh boy it was fun. And with the new artifact set coming in 3.3, i cant wait to see how much better it gets. My thoma main butt is happy XD
dendro is the reason why I became a thoma main
I advise you to try physical dmg Thoma. I'm running him with crescent pike and Echoes of an Offering 4x set. He is doing more with normal attack sequence, than this burgeon explosion. He's really cool as a physical dps :)
Any reason for offerings over the normal physical defence sets?
Which is stronger as a reaction?
Burgeon or Bountiful Bloom?
I got Thoma recently and decided to go all out on him cause I got sick of xiangling and amber's loud asses.
It's been weird since he is my 1st shielder I decided to use. But I've been using him and Barbara + Nahida and it's been fun. I read somewhere this was called a burgeon team and decided to look it up (i'm very new to the game), that's how I wound up in this video. Thank you for the explanation!
i feel like dehya is gonna be a burgeon-focused unit as well, but more on the offensive side compared to thoma
Hope she's not,burgeon feels so bad to play
That probably won't change anything. Did Cyno completely replace Kuki... No right
she might also be burning focused Mmmge
@@kawaiimika7974 They fill completely different roles. Cyno is a hypercarry, whereas Kuki is an off-field electro enabler.
A more accurate comparison would be Cyno vs. Raiden/Keqing.
@@lewsee5562 But they both focus on dealing Hyperbloom damage but Cyno also does raw damage + Hyperbloom. That's the point I was trying to make
I am curious if Baizhu can work instead of Nahida, if we don't have her...
Ever since Dendro released I've been using an AyaThoma burgeon team and, although my Thoma still has mostly his shielder build, he consistently deals 13K to 21K burgeon reactions. And alongside my Ayato they're literal beasts. They obliterate everything together and I usually have Zhongli for the flexible slot. I'm still building both my Thoma and my Ayato, tho Ayato is probably my best built character among all.
I've always loved Thoma. He was one of my first characters (I started playing less than a year ago) and he literally carried me alongside Kaeya until AR45 so I've always felt a little bit upset when people trash talk about him and say that his shield sucks and is the worst in the game when actually he has the second best shield... they just don't know how to play Thoma.
Childe, Thoma, KoKomi and thoma is what im running in the abyss and it was so good
Apart from Energy recharge is it possible to heal Thoma with the help of artifacts.
I’m using a Nahida Venti Xingqiu Thoma team and, let me tell you, it is incredible. I actually run 2 Hp% pieces instead of 3x EM, giving his shield enough health to last the burgeon explosions and enemy damage while under the damage reduction from Xingqiu’s swords.
I’ve actually been lucky enough to pull an Emblem set that allows me to run Venti without a sacrificial weapon, so I use the Jade Cutter on him. That allows me to use whatever HP% main or sub stats he gets to increase his damage *and* healing percent, so my active character’s get back around 4k health when his swords deactivate.
Venti provides crowd control, and a bit of damage boost for whatever element gets infused. It’s actually great, as infusing hydro nets me more cores that I can pop with Thoma. it also means any bloom and burgeon explosions affect any enemies stuck in the tornado. Finally, if I ever manage to get my Nahida to C2, the crit that burning gets access to would make a fire tornado insane, I think.
Almost a year later. Here I am, a new viewer, looking to transition my shieldbot Thoma to a grenadebot Thoma. Kitain Cross Spear, with 4pc Flowers of Paradise Lost. Have you tried this set with him?
y know when you mute the sound of the video its just us looking at thoma awkwardly
thoma makes me excited whether alhaitham will make burgeon viable as well if alhaitham does end up having a lot of dendro application while dps like ayaka
there's so many teams that need Xingqiu, hard to find a good team that doesn't use him for the second rotation in abyss.
Underrated character due to bad first impression of him from release. He was designed to shield hutao in the first place in vv shred team and end up being buffed this strong in burgeon team. Off-field character that can applied element based on melee atk are always futureproof like thoma,xingqiu, and beidou. I still would only build him if you got his c4. If not his ER and HP stats will not be balanced for proper build.
Idk if you would still answer this, but why doesnt xinyan's lower energy requirement and two ways of providing pyro aplication (skill and C2 burst) + extra survivability frok the previous point not make her a popular choice for this team archetipe?
Keep on making great contents!
at one point i got so distracted by thoma blinking at me every other seconds lol he looked so cute sitting there like a good boy he is
“And speaking of this video IT IS OVER NOW!” Not if my rewinding finger has anything to say about it
actually in this abyss f12 chamber 2, with enemy have aura on them, you can abuse nahida tri karma and xingqiu rainsword to make as much as seed and go with diluc burgeon. last slot can be zhongli for comfort or diona for more EM buff (if c6) or other dendro if you can play without healer or shielder.
I put new fresh Thoma (from the latest banner!) on my team because I like him, along with my usual team of Zhongli, Nahida, and Tartaglia, and what do you know... he burgeons so easily!!! Wow!!! I'm building him now. 👏
i honestly like Childe in burgeon teams as it helps with controlling Burning since he applies hydro so fast he can Proc Vape and Bloom at the same time at once. but how long do you keep him on field though. i only stay on field for 12 seconds normally.
@@usmanya5110 Let me clarify, just in case; you're referring to how long I keep Tartaglia on the field, right?
@@MagisterialVoyager yes
@@usmanya5110 The way I keep track on Tartaglia's timing is by doing his Elemental Burst and watch its cooldown as my on-screen timer. I usually leave the Elemental Skill stance before or at least at 4 seconds left.
@@MagisterialVoyagerah ok. then i guess should build a bit more ER on him then. cause i run him With Kuki, Thoma and Nahida. and normally i use kuki's ring as an Indicator to know how long i have to stay in melee form. once it halfway through the duration you turn off.
i'm planning to replace Kuki with Rosaria and maybe Zhongli once i get him since i'm gonna use her in a Al haitham Quickbloom team. Rosaria because her skill last only 10 seconds if i'm correct before c2. now zhongli i'll probably do it you're way.
Been using Albedo, Thoma, Tighnari and Xingqiu and they do WONDERS, especially when dendro cores just explode..
What about scarlet witch? It gives a 40% burgeon dmg bonus, and you can still run EM main stats.
Great guide... After Ayato, I'll build Thoma... BTW, I like it when you suddenly switch to your fake British accent in the middle of the video... 😂
Yanfei xinqiu dendro traveler and any healer (you don't even need cuz the explosion is being trigger from far away)
hey dragonfly, have you checked out burgeon teams with bennett burst and full em kazuha? kazuha will target benny's burst to infuse pyro, and they are both insane buffers for an on field hydro unit.
the burgeon damage will be based on kazuha's em, and not bennetts
4:47 why did he become posh suddenly
HP P-CENT and ENEGY RE-CHAG
@@kawaiimika7974 this also suttely implies lol😂
well if the raiden phase 1 clear is the one on screen I would say the dmg is less about Thoma's Burgeon and more about Nahida Yelan and Xingqiu...
Yao Yao is honestly better than dendro mc imo. She heals and has some really solid dendro application. The application is a bit lackluster if enemies aren’t close, if you don’t have nahida and need some healing in a burgeon team I’d recommend Yao Yao.
I'll continue to sit here awaiting the day my dear Xinyan becomes viable
I use prototype starglitter on my thoma and i'm waiting for the new bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon dmg boosting artifact set.
I wonder if nahida's and sucrose's EM buffs stack. Also I think slotting in sucrose with dendro traveler works nice as well if you don't have nahida.
I tried to create a TCG burgeon team .. didn’t work 😀
I’m pretty glad I leveled him to 80 when I got him on his first banner! Saved me the time
Dehya comes to consolidates so many roles in burgeon team without overshadowing Thoma. Mihoyo did good in this imo.
which one is the superior one though at C0? Cause Thoma at C4 i think is actually a better option than Dehya.
@@usmanya5110 Thoma is better, but it just a game. Better option in meta perspective doesn't mean more fun than the lesser option. At least Dehya is not utterly useless and still can clear abyss easily. I can clear abyss with Dehya without Xingqiu, Nahida, Yelan, Zhongli, Kazuha, Bennett, Xiangling, & Ganyu. See how many can good character can freeze from Dehya comp and she still did good dmg? The comp is Dehya Fischl dmc Kokomi.
I just got him on the current banner.
I was running bennet for my pyro for burdgeon team and when I got thoma I was like wait a damn minute he applies pyro to basic attacks and sheilds 🙊
Looks like a match made in heaven
it's strong only at C4, but C0 I am not recommending to build Thoma for Burgeon due to energy problems that can only be resolved by another pyro unit (His ult is the key anyway), and take note Thoma is not the only pyro who can do Burgeon, also his asc passive isn't EM that means his Burgeon damage is mid but isn't niche since he has shield, the only saving grace is his weapon, his weak and slow pyro application for low chance of burning.
Ngl I didn't expect him to do so much damage in burgeon team. His team also is cheap and outperforming my other teams in this abyss especially second half. Luckily, I already built him after his release.