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When you are looking to have some custom work done on your Glock pistol, (think slide serrations or milling done to accommodate a Trijicon RMR) talk to your local machine shop. Most machinist enjoy cool projects, and it is hard to get cooler than some custom pistol work.
Below are two links to separate articles from rifleshooter.com . The articles detail how (think dimensions) to cut slide serrations, rear sight notch and RMR cutout. With these in hand, go talk to your local Machinist and see what magic they can do and at what price...
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This is a great option for those that don't want to wait. Fortunately for me my local gunsmith cut my slide in 4 days and it was cheaper than what I had been quoted elsewhere lol.
Nice work!
Informative video as usual Ivan! Thankfully manufacturers have gotten the message optics ready handguns are very desirable for most shooters and have begun manufacturing handguns with slides optic ready.
Great input, sir.
That's awesome, we often underestimate what machinists are capable of. Both my grandfather and great grandfather were machinists and their attention to detail was really something amazing.
They’re so skilled...
Everything you use in daily life started out in a machinists hand. Whether it was in a molding shop, tool room, production,etc. they at one point made the part or the mold that made what you use.
@@racegunnr Except cast and certain forged items***
Thanks, Ivan! I hadn't even considered going that route!
It is amazing how talented actual machinists are... :)
Nice video and alternative!👏🏼💯
Only issue I have is mounting the RMR on a greasy slide, and no loctite lol. Great job by them.
That's a funky set up I dig
Thanks, it works!
Always great content
Thanks Daniel!
As machinist for 17 years I alter everything so yes it’s a far more cost efficient option
Awesome view hilly beach in the back. Did u stack those rocks up?✌🏻🤠
I do more tig welding than anything else, I'm certainly not a professional machinist, but I do have a manual lathe and milling machine. Would love to be able to read the article you referred to, is there a link I missed? Thx.
You may consider rather than just milling a flat and taping holes, making use of the 4 holes (1/corner) on the bottom of your Deltapoint and perhaps RMR and others have them too, by leaving a small post for each hole to fit in for a snap fit. Much more stable. Screws hold it down, posts prevent movement. Especially true for the MRD's that have to be removed to change batteries. Ck Custom Creationz when they did my DP on a Sig 229..
That is a great option for MRD's. Fortunately is a radius across the front of the RMR , so it is pretty locked in there.
I think you can test that theory; if the screws loosen, even loose adequate torque value w/o detectable movement, or even with adequate impact to the MRD which can cause movement, I think, MRD rotates along that radius and point of impact is necessarily altered. Seems obvious screws are subject shock from live firing and just bumping into things w/o the lugs; and subject to loosening or shearing. Why subject the screws to shock, when there is an alternative readily available? The real difference; if reticle/poi is relevant for you, it would seem to require live fire to confirm sights after removal/impact vs the theory of utilizing the lugs when removing/impacting MRD. I have not experienced a point of impact change for going on 6 years and 1000's of rounds on my range gun due to removal/impacting my DP. If a CNC is not available I suspect it is cost prohibitive to mill lugs manually? Still prudent to confirm any sight, even though reinstalling, impact or damage is not suspected. PS. Good to use Locktite blue on the screw threads.
Locktite is always good. :)
They call it milling boss’s into your rmr footprint, I had a g19 slide milled with tight tolerances but it was flat with the front radius as such in the video after just under 1,000rds fired my rmr lost zero a handful of times.
My second g19 was milled with two boss’s just aft of the front radius, an even tighter fit and was secured with the 2 screws without having to use loctite.
Joshua, is there something in particular that caused the RMR to lose zero do you think? I've racked my pistol off the RMR repeatedly and a put a lot of rounds through it, but it's still holding true.
Given the opportunity to mill bosses into it though, I would probably take it...
Kinda dig the forward-mounted rear sight. It reminds me of the older Detonics Combat Masters.
It does a good job protecting the lens from casings too.
is you barrel pitted or the coat is just coming off?
Did you check out the Brownells iron sight slide for the Glock 19 ? Also they offer rmr and lighting window if you want that. My iron sight slide with wrap around front serrations was $160.00 plus tax and shipping. Awesome.
That is really awesome Mike, I hadn't heard about them offering that. I don't know if they offered it when I had this done, but that is a solid price for that work.
@@KitBadger Yours looks great itself. But for future reference just check Brownells out I think you'll like them.
what kind a Watch are you wearing ?
What should l google to find a machine shop?
How much did it cost?
Hey, can I get your friend to do another slide?
Does this setup fit in a Safariland 6360rds holster?
Ahhhhh yessss!.... Finally saw a video of yours featuring some Social D! I dig the work you had done on your Glock! If you dont mind me asking, what is the price point to get a G17 setup for an RMR with suppressor sights? Also, did they do anything with the inside of your slide? Keep the awesome videos coming! Cheers!
Honestly man, I can't remember what they charged me anymore. It wasn't too bad. And no, nothing on the inside. Thanks for watching!
"Just until the wrench bends, then back it off 1/4 turn..." O.O WUT
Yep, you got me lol
Hahaha. :)
Where are you .. the lake behind you looks great
If anybody sees this and knows the answer I would appreciate you letting me know. I just got my pistol back after sending it off to get RMR cut and I noticed that I can see the extractor depressor plunger through one of the the tapped mounting holes... is this common? Because it seems like they drilled excessively deep.
It shouldn’t matter as long as your screws don’t touch, but they cut it too deep.
Kit Badger thanks for taking the time to let me know I appreciate it.
Thanks! Great idea! Do your friends want to do another slide? Glock 19 Gen. 3
I can inquire. As I mentioned below to YouStupidBunny, check out the stuff being done by Frank Proctor at Way of the Gun. They have some good prices and turnaround times compared with other places. (link below)
Ivan, I've seen some slide work by Frank and on his website. They don't have what I would want done. I appreciate your help! Merry Christmas!
No worries. Merry Christmas to you too!
2:03 I had to pause. That background man, dam. Where is that?????
Cayucos, CA. In the land of no freedom.
@@KitBadger If you want, I represent Glock Inc. In Idaho. I could easily get you on there range and they could possibly provide Ammo. Idaho is pretty gun savy, I mean I own 4 Pistols at age 18
+10 challenge points for installing tiny RDS screws over a rock pile. How’s does it hold zero with only 1 screw installed?
It would be pretty funny if I lost one. 2 screws though. :) The radius of the cut actually locks the optic in pretty tight even before putting the screws in.
Any chance you could post the links to the articles you mentioned from Rifle Shooter? Thanks!
Mike O. look in the description
Anyone know if this is possible on a full size H&K USP .40 ?
I haven't really shot any of the USPs. It really comes down to if there is enough metal there to remove without cutting into something vital.
Moving the rear sight forward is a great idea. Minus the RMR, how much did they charge? The two places in my town that do RMR cuts had a 4-6 week wait and quoted me just under $300.
I paid less than $200 for the work I believe. For that quoted turnaround time, I would check out the Frank Proctor, Way Of The Gun slide work. While not having personal experience with them, I have heard good things. You can check it out here: www.wayofthegun.us/red-dot-mounting-cut-for-small-and-large-frame-glocks/
YouStupidBunny Boogyman customs only charges 75 and only takes 10 days or less
Can you comment on the cost of this through your local machine shop vs what the well known Smiths seem to charge for this work? Thanks, and nice vid. 🇺🇸
Hey Brandon, I feel like it cost around $150 - $200 if memory serves. Depending on where you look, that is pretty inexpensive, or towards the lower end. Some places charge a lot.
I recently got contacted by a machine shop that is in the business of lightening cuts and optic cuts. They offer their work at a very fair price. After I get some time on the pistol they work on, I'll follow it up with a video.
Do you have a link to the video that can update a nice price on glock work?
Battle Werx is the best place I have found for machine milling. They do excellent work. And their prices are spot on. But you are looking at about 4 weeks turn around. That sucks, but it's worth the wait.
Most places have a long lead time.
@@KitBadger The slide milling on my G17 was done the day after they got it. The refinishing is what takes so long. But it was still worth the wait. Looks like it came that way from the factory.
@@PlugNuster I know this is an old post now. But, what did they use to re-finish? Cerakote, Nitride, etc. And how has the re-finish hold up?
@@michaelwthalman
They used a DLC Black Nitride Coating. It has a nice finish that has held up great and I holster that pistol a lot while training.
Slideworks engineering will do slide cur and cerakote for $115.00
Nice, that is a good deal.
Do you know anyone that could do an RMR Cut on a PPW M2 Navy in our area?
What area, are you in northern Idaho also?
Any chance you have a video of how you zero'ed your RMR ?
Sure, I will try and do a little video on that the next time I get to the range.
Kit Badger thanks brother just watched and commented on the new video ... keep up the good work and content ... your battle belt video helped me narrow down my search for a good battle belt to run for courses and also for ESU duty
I’m in Santa Maria, which shop did you use?
He doesn’t work there anymore.
Nice video. Question: does having the rear sights in front of your RMR looks weird when you shoot? Do you feel it gets in the way of your red dot?
No, I don't feel it looks weird looking through it, nor does it get in the way. Ultimately it is going to be there regardless, just a matter of if it is up front or in the back. With it up front, it provides double duty with protecting the lens of the RMR from errant brass though. Thanks for watching.
Funny, I follow both of you.
how do you like having the irons in front of the rmr?
Good overall Alex. On the one hand, I never use them because of the reliability of the RMR, but it does serve as a shield to protect the lens from stray brass as well.
Thats the way its done , very nice .
Thanks Travis, I was really pleased with how well my buddy did on that.
Who did you find that is local to us?
This was done on the central coast of California.
Awesome work, just out of curiosity was your guy interested in doing anymore? I'm way out in the country... no local shops near me especially none with wire edm machines.
No, it was a one off job I think. Sorry man.
Machinists are really good for stuff like that, but they're only inexpensive if you're doing small stuff like that. I have an interesting story that I'm not sure I can openly divulge about machinists and how expensive they are... lol Either way, when you start getting into bigger items, more complexity, and longer machine time your cost will skyrocket to the point of insanity. I've got some stuff that I'm working on that will need to eventually be prototyped and I'm dreading the price tag that I know it is going to have.
Yes it can get expensive. The good news is costs are ultimately coming down. The machines and what not are getting ore and more affordable, driving the cost. To include 3D printers to rapid prototype things.
Pro tip, make sure your tolerances on blueprints are as wide open as they can be while still in specification/function. Handing a print that has +.0001 - .0000 is about 10 times the cost of a print with +/- .005
@@hunterf9768that depends. Are you hiring the shop or do you just know a guy slicker than frog shit in a puddle on a mill.😂😂😂 I was the lathe department lead at my last job and people would bring me shit to modify all the time. Not gun parts, but all kinds of other shit. I work for a barrel manufacturer now, rifles and pistols, and I can tell you with 100% certainty any real machinist can do this work. And if ya know the mill guy well enough, you offer him a case of beer and $50, he'll have it done the next day.😂😂😂
Hey ivan, hows it held up to rust? Ive heard cold blue provides little rust protection
Good. No issues.
@@KitBadger thanks bro, theres a local shop that'll cut the slide for 80, and I'd love to keep the g19x finish the way it is
Ask if they want to do a CZ P10 Plz
Haha, I would but I don't live in the area any more.
How deep did they go ? Doubt you have calipers to check
I'm not sure off hand. But the links in the video description lay it out I believe. Thanks for watching!
I want to know the opinions of the 9 cowards that disliked this video without any input whatsoever.
It is probably because I don't have the requisite number of tattoos and a sweet-ass beard. Hard to take me seriously without them... :)
Lol, awesome assessment. I bet you're right. They think you don't meet the tacticool requirements 😁
Way too many Tacticool Bearded Douchebags running around on RUclips as of late.
Kit Badger hahaha true warriors act AND look professional. First lesson i learned in the army, shave everyday and get a hair cut at least twice a month.
Probably just mis-clicks or something.
You look just like Kirk Cousins man . Lol
Blah blah blah it’s magic 😂😂
Basically... :)
5 years ago, Bought an actual mill, collets, Bitts, Calipers,Vise etc Just so things could be made and get done at home…
My slide is still waiting😂.. Life does that sometimes but This week really woke me up again.. Hamas is here and leftists are nuts..what they did , well..Get go Work Americans.
..”Get To Work Americans!”..
Yeah, pardon..Grammar 😂
I have access to a milling machine at work... I'll cut, drill and tap my own slide. Cost $0 : )
Nice! I'd love to check out some of your work. Have you finished some slides yet?
KB hello, not yet. I'm working on a Canik Elite Slide. Going to fit and mount the Venom this week. I will let you know how it turns out.
@@brianrailing2363 cool man, keep me posted.
@@Butch_Deezlsteak wow, that's been over 2 years ago. Actually completed two slides. Vortex on a canik and a Leupold delta point pro on a cz clone. Both turned out very well. Now most manufacturers offer cut slides for red dots.
what beautiful state do you live in?!?!?!
This was filmed over in the People's Republic of California...
Oh F that.
@@Nordic_Goon 🤣🤣🤣
can a machinist make guns
Yes, pretty much anyone can. When it comes to "manufacturing" to sell, the story changes. I'm not sure if that is what you are asking though.
I thought glocks “always ran no matter what” because “it’s a Glock” smh
Just don’t buy Glock if you hate Glock so much. People that hate on popular things just because they’re popular are hilarious.
My understanding is this is actually illegal for a machinist to do this kind of work without a manufactures license. If you believe I am incorrect please let me know, but every thing I have ever read has said that you need the appropriate federal license if you are going to perform modifications of any kind on a firearm for a third party.
I don't have a definitive answer for you, but having been a FFL holder with a Manufacturing Endorsement, I would say... ...No, this is not true. Manufacturing and modifying are two completely different things. On top of that, the slide, the piece being modified, is not a weapon in the eyes of the law, but merely a un-serialized component. Which is why you can buy any and all of the parts for, in this case a Glock, and have them shipped to your door. *Aside from the serialized lower*
Kit Badger From my understanding was that under the ITAR ruling, was that this work does now require an FFL with manufacturers endorsement. With the slide technically not being the "firearm", this may fall into a grey area I am unaware of. It is really good work and being a Smith, I am very much looking forward to doing this work too. Many smiths will out source this work as well since the equipment is so expensive and the knowledge needed to do that kind of work takes up valuable brain space. 😂
Randall Bailey, Licensed Massage Therapist there were no modifications preformed to any firearm. There is a clear legal definition of what is the "firearm" and it's the serialized part, the slide is nothing more than a part that goes on the firearm and is therefore not subject to such regulation, hence why you can ship them to your door through the normal mail. If it was the frame that was modified then it would apply.
It’s a very grey area...I’ve personally done it but wouldn’t recommend it. The only reason I took the job was because it was a good friend and a ridiculously idea...we made a pump action conversion kit for ARs 😂
It's not grey at all, slide isn't the firearm. You can do whatever you want to the slide, it's just a piece of metal. Same reason you can order slides without FFL transfers, it's a part not a firearm.
Your machinist cut your slide behind the sights when it should be in front of the sights.
No. He cut it right where I wanted it. The sights are a back up system, and placed in front of the RMR it protects the window from brass scratching it up. No downside in my experience.
@@KitBadger to each their own and good point about protecting it. I’d just rather have a longer sight length personally.
@@Pler1978 false. It is you that is clueless.
@@jawnhansen235 lol... No, the dudes right. You're clueless....
@@TerminalM193 you do know that I’m a master designer for smith and Wesson, right?
Too many machinist out there that have no gunsmithing knowledge, the work may look good, but makes no sense and weight isnt balanced and causes cyclic issues as well as reliability issues. The best are still the guys who are gunsmiths first, machinists second
I think they are both important. But a machinist ultimately knows how to do things "right" vs. someone who likes to tinker with weapons. The path for most "gunsmiths" is a sight tool or receiver block vs. a lathe. :)
Kit Badger The entry level.or.glock armorer yes...but all machinist dont necessarily.know and understand operating function of firearms, but know how to turn metal
I hear you JB. I'm just thinking of my experience with this particular machinist. He literally made parts for the Mars Rover. :)
I disagree! Without a doubt!
Looks ugly just my opinion
Well damn... ...I'll have to find you a different Christmas present this year. Haha, admittedly it isn't for everyone. Thanks for watching though!
this video is old and I know ur channel is huge..but in the rare chance u respond to this let me ask u something. I have a live free armory lf320 elite slide. just a sig p320 slide cut for rmr. it doesn't have the lugs tho. but I'm seeing mist milled slides don't have the lugs for the rmr to set in. do i need a plate with the lugs or is a direct mount to the slide ok. new to pistol optics any info wld be appreciated sir thank u