UK phone lines to be KILLED OFF next year - what are BT, Virgin Media, and TalkTalk doing?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- BT-owned Openreach will pilot a new landline phone system that does not require an active broadband connection - that will restore much of the lost functionality of analogue phone lines, which will be cut off nationwide at the end of next year. According to broadband-obsessed blog ISPreview, Openreach has started to inform its partners about plans to pilot the technology from May 1, 2024.
Copper wire phone lines have been the backbone of communication across the UK for over 100 years, but BT-owned Openreach is replacing analogue landlines with a broadband-powered alternative. These digital landlines rely on an internet connection, known as Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) or All-IP telephony. BT uses the brand name "Digital Voice" for its version of this digital landline technology.
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I despise the way they force people into having mobiles. Not everyone wants one!
YES!
You can plug a traditional phone into the router although admittedly no use if there's a power cut.
Don't need to have own since voip works independent of that
I have a mobile but the problem is we have no reliable signal where I live. Texts can take days to arrive (or never even get sent). OTP's are a nightmare.
I don't live in the middle of nowhere but in our county town!
@@andyalder7910 or if the internet is down :)
That’s why they keep saying there’s problems with peoples landlines and leaving the elderly and vulnerable with no phones. Disgusting.
Yes, and the alternatives during an emergency seem costly and complicated for some vulnerable people
@@mertonsardeen2242 true enough 👍
Thank you, the phone companies are not maintaing the landlines so that people will get fed up with poor service and go for the lazy cheaoer option to discriminate against those with gearing issues, anxiety, mental health issues and the vulnerable, elderly and disabled.
Yes it will impair 24 hour commun8cation for the vast majority of those vulnerable or deaf or people like me with tinnitus, it is criminal.
Do you think I can use a 2 way radio to soeak to my Dad 400 miles away, what a thoughtless comment.
Most of us humans like everyday conversation however suicide will be increased with this rollout of more automation, more passwords, more EARACHE and more mental health problems.
Mobile technology is killing people.
The truth is the phone companies want to churn out cheap rubbish which will continue to damage brains, hearing and life itself.
How to kill off the older generation... Sorry, you have been disconnected permanently!
David, that is EXACTLY what they are doing.
Killing off the deaf, those lonely, elderly and vulnerable.
The phone companies are criminals.
One step closer to enforceable euthanasia. Makes you wonder doesn’t it. DNR, no CNR…..!!
It will not do that. There are options to keep analog phones working or to replace the phone which involves providing the equipment to keep the persons phone working.
So that when the power fails you won't be able to make a telephone call where with copper landlines you can. This may have been inspired by the WEF.
can - if you have a phone that is not powered...........do you? does anyone? i havent seen one is years.
@@itwoznotme I use an old phone powered by BT socket, still works.
@@itwoznotme But if there is no power for your "powered" phone what do you do then?
Ah here we go with this wef nonsense 😂😂 can litteraly get battery backs. No different to plugging in a phone. Theres easy ways around this. We need to move on cant keep living in the past
@@itwoznotme it like base station of your cordless house phone, they don't, inject into the copper line of the telephone wire that comes into your home, (in the phone company, code/standard, there not to pleased if do add your owe power tot here line, they get a bit upset, it a serpent boxes, that you have plug in to you wall power sockets, that box is what plug your talking side of your cordless telephones base station into now? (if your wondering yes, you now have to thing to keep power on 24/7, insted of only one as before, two as it two item, the chances break down fault hiss now doubled too
Soooo what will pensioners do, no computers, no mobiles not good with technology…l really despair at these changes, l have a Son who guided me through the tech but many don’t have relatives that can help …
They don't care about the 30 percent who don't want it.
As a pensioner myself, I was using a computer at work since the mid nineties, I was in a mechanical maintenance role at the time and Windows 3 dot whatever and floppy discs were all the rage, until win95 came out, most colleagues, including blue collar, were tech savvy and not forgetting mobile phones and smartphones, mini computers really have been commonplace for 25 years, so most pensioners today do not struggle that much with the tech. The real issue is power outages and cyber crime, scammers are having it easy as many are gullible and will believe anything, just consider, many still believe what they are bombarded with on MSM and social media and then there is politicians diatribe
@@mellarner82534 years ago they opened up data sharing en-masse in order their corporations can access everything.
Nothing is secured now.
Not all pensioners are unable to use technology. My my mum is 82 and manages her mobile phone and iPad fine.
@@edenbreckhouse A rare exception.
I've come to the point that whatever is instigated to us by governments, public bodies, big business is never to our advantage.
Never was.
Just a pseudo safety net.
A false sense of standards and order.
This is to our advantage. It means the UK Internet infrastructure is world leading in terms of speed it up there with some of the best systems. It is going to be so modern and future proof. This is definitely your advantage in that say 50 years copper lines would not be able to cope the UK will be able to cope for a lot longer.
When you have no electrcity you have no communication.
Which is exactly the time you might need to call someone in an emergency
Whaa?
exactly
i am not sure you can still get a phone that will work without power. old school phones did, but i have not seen one of them in a long time.
@@itwoznotme I always bought them for emergency means
Nobody told the general population…
Didn't even know anyone had one anymore 😂
I've known for a few years now when it was first annouced
This has been on the news for years.
Jack it hasn't been well publicised at all.
It has been promoted by phone companies lying to us and misleading the vast majority of the public.
Glad to hear you know everything.
Yes they did, did you not hear about it on your house phone?
So if the power goes down during an emergency, the old folk thst haven't got mobile phobes won't even be able to call for help.
landline phone devices are already dependant on mains electricity, so that argument is redundant.
@@Evemeister12 most, only most.
Any grandkids worth their salt would have fixed that for granny by installing a standard phone.
The cell towers also need power, rural one near me fails 6hrs into power outage. There will be extended power cuts. And at that point no calls to anyone. Unless you have a generator of some description.
@@Evemeister12 No! Landline phones are NOT dependant on mains electricity. The amount of power is tiny and comes from the phone company itself.
You get a battery back up device or in some instances you can be provided with one if that is your only form of communication
Virgin already have, and when broadband goes down so does the landline. I know, I have been without my landline four times now in 12 months. I am classed as a vulnerable pensioner and the back up does not work. This guy is a numpty and has no idea what he is talking about..
Do u have a mobile phone if so Ur not left behind if u know how to use it mrs
Battery back up devices should work they don’t just randomly fail. There must be some kind of issue here but random issues are code of the landline network a lot more.
And when the net goes down no ambulance
Usually none available anyway so not an issue.
Mobile phone yes, signal for mobile phone no!@@Xenon777_
@@mertonsardeen2242but if its a power cut then no mobile masts would work either? I assume they don’t have their own power source to keep working when there is no power. Its a case of fixing something that isn’t broken, its a reason copper landlines have been around for so long. Of course Openreach are cutting their own nose off, home mobile broadband will start to take over, then you will have less and less need for Openreach at all. Cant imagine wired internet being around much in 10-15 years or even less time, mobile speeds will get faster and will just replace wired connection altogether. Its not quite there yet for many, but the idea of being able to move home mobile broadband around from place to place without being locked to one place is quite appealing. Wired connections are just not going to have any major advantage over mobile to keep people using them, especially as both will generally have the same disadvantage of not working when there are powercuts.
@@Xenon777_ My elderly mother tried using a mobile but simply couldn't understand how to use it. We tried but you have to remember the elderly are used to picking up a receiver without having to work out what button to press!
Well, phone calls already go through the Internet the green boxes on the side of the road have the Internet infrastructure in and then also take the phone calls to put over the Internet. There aren’t really centralised exchanges too much anymore so most of the exchanging and telephone switching happens on the Internet anyway.
What about people who have lifeline?
The new system will have appropriate measures in place
And what happens if the Internet goes down or power cuts. The w.e.f say there will be cyber attacks soon that will shut it down
All very well and good but it's going to cause problems with lose of power loss of Internet. Silly idea unless there is a backup plan. And then you have network speed/bandwidth.
The WEF are sinister.
@nickc9793 Maybe that is the plan. Control. You will own nothing and be happy. They will have total control over you even shutting down your phone and internet access.
The only phones which would traditionally work in a power cut are the very basic handsets which don't require an external power supply. Even then, back-up batteries which the landline system would run on may only last about 1 hour. We have had power cuts here which have lasted 2 or 3 hours so we would've been cut off anyway.
@@Xenon777_ Power cuts are only one thing. All it takes is the internet to go down, which can and does happen
Makes no difference how bad an idea this, no one will every take responsibility or be held accountable.
Relying on the Internet seems madness to me. Goes down every now & again. A separate network prevents this, all eggs in one basket, risk.
Edit: on top of which, why should everyone have to fork out for broadband that they don't want (and may not be able to afford) when there is a working BT telephone network it seems they're going to rip out ? Seems like citizen manipulation by uncaring commercial companies.
You understand that currently your internet comes down the same wire as the phone signal?
If you know this, then you are capable of understanding that different systems can use the same physical medium. The new system will be the same. A box is installed which provides a telephone socket which if you pay your phone bill you can use a telephone to call people.
The box also has an ethernet port which can be connected to a broadband router, if you pay an ISP for internet then you are able to use the internet.
These are entirely separate systems using the same fibre medium, internet does not require phone, and phone does not require an internet provider.
The issue with your internet 'goes down' depends on what causes it. Desyncs happen on ADSL/ADSL2 a lot as they are susceptible to electrical noise along the length of the phone cable. VDSL (fibre to cabinet) is much more common and desyncs should be much less common unless your ISP is trying to push higher speeds through the lines than they can reliably handle. If you live a long way from the cabinet VDSL can be as bad as ADSL.
The xDSL issue is fixed with fibre as you *should* get a rock solid 1gbps optical connection directly to the exchange. So you should be happy about the change over to full fibre.
@@kal9001 That all sounds fine, except that there is already admitted to that existing systems that presently monitor the vulnerable will fail without the normal telephone network. In any case even if that is solved when only having the Internet connection it still will depend on how the Net fails to your router. It nothing gets through that has to have an effect on calls too. Experience so far tells us that loss of the Internet occurs much more often than telephone outages.
You do not understand this calls already go through the Internet the green cabinets where all the cabling goes into for phone networks that only interface out of them apart from the phone lines to houses is a single fibre optic cable. The new network is going to be much more redundant so you can cut the cable and it should still work depending on what one you cut and it’s already going through the Internet so can you bring up legitimate risks? calls us a very low data amount so if you want just the landline they will be able to enable a very small data amount on that connection which is just enough for a landline so you would not pay for broadband
@@WideCuriosity nope the telephone collection on these boxes simulate a copper phone line entirely the only way to know about that it isn’t a copper phone line is potentially some of the BT diagnostics numbers or something along those lines which equipment is not allowed to use only engineers
As a resident of the remote Scottish highlands we struggle very badly for mobile network signals, many areas simply don’t receive any signal whatsoever, even the landline is very hit and miss as it hasn’t been properly maintained for many many years, it would cost BT more than they’re willing to invest into digging up and replacing miles of old degraded cable, as a result our BT landline and wi-if regularly goes down, leaving us completely cut off from the outside world, perhaps these companies should consider remote areas before pulling the plug, we aren’t all in well connected cities!
Do you mean have any broadband then at your house?
@@My_Name_Is_Brian we do, but it’s via copper cable, and when that goes down, as happens regularly as there’s a fault BT have refused to address for the last seven years, we have no mobile network, I have to drive several miles to the village to pick up emails/messages etc.
@@westhighlandtraditionalarcher This'll be a boon to you then, high bandwidth fibre replacing low bandwidth copper using the same poles and conduits. Better buy a battery backup though.
@@andyalder7910 theoretically yes, but in reality the likelihood of them digging up hundreds of miles of antiquated copper cable and replacing it with fibre optic cable in areas as remote as many highland communities is slim to none, there’s certainly no sign of it happening here, we’ve been battling with BT for years, and nothing is ever resolved, we currently have an upload speed of 0.33 mbps, and that’s pretty good for us, when it’s actually working.
@@andyalder7910 the best one I’ve had was whilst attempting to upload a 10 minute video to RUclips, the upload page said 427 hours remaining 🤣
Doesn't look like a good idea. I foresee problems
Robs people of a backup system. How many times do we suffer digital meltdowns; more than you think. Putting all your eggs into one basket springs to mind.
Easier for the government to monitor what you say
Not necessarily, I can’t divulge a lot of information, but all I can say is they have had systems for monitoring landline for a while 😅 on the green cabinets for open reach the broadband and telephone signals are all sent over the Internet then and all the exchanging happens on the Internet currently so the spying part would already be happening if you really want secure and communication and landline is not the way to go
A very dangerous switchover
That's why they are doing it
This changeover is needed to modernise the country. The phones will still working in emergency because they can provide battery back up equipment or you can purchase it. It’s very dependent on the situation though if you think this is legitimately dangerous I hope you don’t drive a car or anything because that is more dangerous.
@@UKsystems You have more faith in it than I do. Cars in general are safe at the point of need - no emergency has happened. It is more lifethreatening to have no communication system after the emergency has already occured. The copper system is more durable and reliable. End of. It's lasted over 100 years to prove it.
@@UKsystems Drivers don't tend to be the most vulnerable that need the system. The system powers things like emergency lift communications, lifelines and things where the power is cut off. When the emergency system itself needs power, surely you can see why it's dangerous?
Yeah, Virgin did it over a year ago; and the USELESS Tories let them do it...
Why do you want to prevent a modern communication network? It holds a country back in terms of development this new system also has the possibility to lower Internet prices as fibre networks have generally a lot less weird faults and errors than copper
It's not that I was commenting on upgrading the systems, I was commenting on the P*ss-poor rollout of the upgrade.
It's just that this country can NEVER do anything the easy (for the customer) way, they always do it the '(Short Term) Easy for the company' way, then make a rod for their own backs down the line, which costs them more money to repair everything.
This is the most dumbest idea I have heard in my life! But these companies are scum in my opinion.
It’s already goes through the Internet at the green cabinets where telephone wires are converted to fibre optic and go through the Internet. There is not much of a change here. It’s just the fact that the copper cable is being removed for the last mile so it’s just really making the system a lot more stable.
So there is no reason to keep the landline standing charge ! Because if it's a broadband connection you are already paying for it with your broadband package !
Assuming you have fibre broadband you can already drop the standing charge for the phone and pay your broadband provider a couple of quid for VoIP service. Not sure if you can keep the same phone no though.
@@andyalder7910 I will investigate ! Cheers !!
@@andyalder7910 I was able to keep my phone number with BT and the extra charge for the landline is £2.
It makes sense this fee is actually just to maintain the cabling
Perfect way to track your conversation with an ip and stop you communicating in an emergency when the Internet is down
Even though not correct. But can that not do this with your mobile phone. How many criminals have been sent down because of the tracking and messages sent via your mobile phone………
Festival calls are already rooted and exchanged in the Internet for analog phone lines but the conversion happens at exchanges and tracking a monitoring could already happen on landlines as there are widespread companies who are multi billion pound international companies that specialise in landline monitoring so I’m sure governments would have bought some stuff from them
Thats stupid... What about the older people
Why can't they use a broadband phone? Some are exactly the same
You need power for broadband. No power, no broadband. No mobile signal at my home either!@@My_Name_Is_Brian
@@My_Name_Is_Brian Some people live in rural areas where a Mobile signal is non existent.
@@jane1975 WHY DO YOU BRING UP MOBILE SIGNAL, I SAID BROADBAND! People commenting on this video are too dense
@@My_Name_Is_Brian Try explaining what a router is to 100-year-old let alone say how they will have to have broadband installed even though they don't even understand what is meant by the internet.
There are thousands of rural areas that have no mobile signal. Bad ideaa
This doesn’t need mobile signal they’re turning off the analog phone network because they’re replacing it. They’re installing new fibre optic lines. They plant the bury them as much as they can so they’re very protected. I guess a lot of rural Ari may still have them overhead especially if it goes over fields or something, but they’re replacing the lines with fibre not just turning them off
Virgin are not interested in helping the elderly. My MP tried three times to get some answers from them but to no avail. I live in a black spot for mobile phones so, if my internet is down I cannot call for help on my mobile which I CAN use once I’m out of the area where I live. Three different Virgin engineers came to my house and each installed an emergency phone (these phones allow you to call the three emergency services). None of them worked. The last one was left in the bedroom in the hope of a signal - not much help in the event of a fall downstairs. They work on SIM cards which, of course, do not work in my house! As you say, the ‘button’ emergency system is still work in progress. Most of the elderly prefer to stay in their own homes which is possible if help is at hand. One wonders whether more will be forced to go into care homes as a result of this change. Three weeks ago, the Virgin network here was down for 6 hours for maintenance. They do not inspire me with confidence. To add insult to injury, my bill is doubling this year!
Switch providers, you don't need to pay double when you're out of contract. Or if switching worries you, just simply contact Virgin and demand a lower bill with the suggestion that you are thinking of switching. I personally recommend Sky, they've been pretty good so far for me.
All the devices that run the old copper system are being switched off. Everything will run through the same core routers as your data services, just on a separate logic channel. Then why are we still paying the same?? Part of any service bill is for the maintenance and upkeep of the system. Now we are paying twice for the same devices and cables. VoIP and data are the same thing. We are being made to pay twice. RIP OFF telecoms companies.
Traveled far?
And mobile technology is killing us too.
Not necessarily you’re paying the same because it’s already been white blinds in terms of exchanging the green cabinets where phone lines are provided from already send all the data to the Internet over fiber
🤣🤣🤣 No chance. Too many areas have no access to services apart from the copper lines.
wifi or satellite or go without
How many areas have no access to broadband?
@@My_Name_Is_Briango into the rural country and you can have no phone signal, from any of the phone companies.
@@My_Name_Is_Brian You are missing the point I think, not sure why. There are areas where coverage is non existent or poor. But the costs of broadband are high. Mobile phone coverage is even worse, and there are no plans to extend the radio network.
@@prestoncrewnarrowboaters8619 I'm not talking about phone signal, I'm talking about Internet at home
🤦🤦🤦 what about places without good internet connection?????
Starlink is good for that. It'll get faster and cheaper over time.
BT won't remove a copper line without installing a replacement fibre one. BT are currently installing the Connectorised Block Terminals for FTTH on the poles in our street but the old copper lines still work.
@@CodysdabI didn't know starlink was totally standalone and handles standard PSTN phones
@@dlarge6502 the OP is referring to Internet connection, not phones. PSTN is irrelevant for this thread.
This changeover fixes that by installing Internet to those places
So "line rental charge" can f off then from bills.
Guaranteed they will bring in some other charge like maintenance fees to rip us off, Americans don't even pay for broadband.
Line rental charge is so they can maintain the copper line. If they knock that off how will they maintain your fibre?????
Nah you rent the fibre line instead, got rid of my home phone years ago and initially thought the same
No, you get the broadband over the same line so you don't escape that 😅
So if you don’t have fibre, and still on copper cable for internet use , how does that work then? They sent me a wireless phone, doesn’t plug into the modem, just into your electric wall plug, but every time I pick mine up from its base, it flashes searching for base even tho your right next to the base station, I’m going to plug my old one back in.
what about older folk living on their own who dont have and dont want a mobile phone..its unfair to expect them to change in their twilight years
They don't have to have a mobile phone, they will need Internet though
I see Matthew Parris is promoting Assisted Dying for older or sick people. There you are, problem sorted (I'm 70)
@@Luke-en2tk Internet or electric goes down, no phone
@@carlstewart8787 first of all this is not the case battery backups are provided for free if someone doesn’t have a mobile phone but if they have a mobile phone, they could choose to purchase one or not
Oh, they would have to change is letting someone in their house to install the equipment to keep their phone working. It’s that simple they don’t need to change much. They just need to install the conversion equipment so the line will work.
So when the internet goes down and you need to make a call in an emergency, you are stuffed. I cannot get a mobile signal where I live!
Yep, but think of the savings the phone companies are making.
It already goes through the Internet telephone cables are brought on poles or underground to a near to you green company. They are then sent over fibre to the Internet. That is how the current system has worked since the early 2000 in this case the last mile of copper is just being removed so the system has not fundamentally changed.
I still have a landline and also have a mobile so i'd be OK but my mothers 88 and dependent on hers , it's another bloomin' scandal
So it’s a scandal that they want to replace a wire to someone’s house. The landline was still work with a piece of equipment they will provide.
The problem with this video is it's lack of informational depth. Firstly the telephone exchange equipment that BT use ( system X & system Y ) are end of life! They have been in use nearly 40 years and there are basically no spares for them. So as BT digitises an exchange they recover the old exchange equipment and it goes to a spare parts facility, so they can maintain the remaining non digital exchanges. Now with the old copper landlines, the reason they continued to work after a power cut is because each exchange had it's own diesel generator back up and battery back up.
I am an ex BT engineer, so I know my way around the BT network. I could write a long essay on this subject , suffice to say that this is going to happen and we are going to have to adjust how use the telephone network and our expectations of it.
Wonder what BT will do with those huge, almost empty, telephone exchanges. Some would make good co-lo facilities if they added some cooling.
I once was a software tester and I came away with the idea, the crazy idea, that a replacement system should actually replace the functions of the old system where said functions are in use.
Thus the new system must be able to make calls in a power cut for all users.
Buuuut, BT thought they could get away with ignoring that and saving some money by implementing a system that barely works. Till Ofcom reminded them that they are regulated so must fix the issue.
Then they managed to get away with just having a battery backup for "vulnerable" people. Probably that will only be available till the oldies die as they will assume that people like me who have a degree in IT will use a mobile phone when I'm 88. Well I have no idea, I might lose most of my faculties and barely understand a touchscreen.
If I had designed this I would have kept all core functionality intact. This new system is designed to let old engineers retire and not be replaced, to forget the old training and thus do most of the maintenance from a keyboard. Cost cutting, job losing money making basically.
Give it another 20 years, which is what most people think is a long time these days and the fibre system will be ripped out and cost reduced again for the same reasons. Mark my words.
I'm glad I still have a CB
@@andyalder7910 BT only lease the exchange buildings. They sold them off to a company called Telereal Trillium in 2001
I don't know about System Y, but wasn't System X resilient to the point it could potentially operate for a century if it had to? 🫖🇬🇧🤔
(I mean: Openreach still have a few exchanges running on System U/SxS equipment, and if Bell/ATTs experience is anything to go on that stuff could outlast the Earth!)
I’m glad you wrote this as I was about to. Most of the care alarm companies are aware of the upcoming changes and are doing what they need to do to make their products work. I also work for a large telecommunications company and I know there are things in place to keep certain aspects of the service active in the case of a power cut or BB outage like mobile sim backup and before anyone says I don’t get good mobile coverage in my area then I’m sure you copper phone line isn’t that good anyway and doesn’t work all the time anyway so your not loosing anything. People are also blaming this on fibre optics being brought in, it is not that as you can run VoIP on copper lines. Unfortunately the copper lines are degrading in such a way that they are not going to replace them with cooper but upgrade as they need replacing.
Easier for them to keep an eye on you
The government is not your friend.
Ha ha, easier to SPY on YOU 😉
Calls already go to the Internet for exchanging the green cabinets where the wires go into send it all over the Internet
i've little doubt that someone will be making a lot of money out of this,and the ability to trace and track calls will be built into the systems.
Calls already go over the Internet at the green cabinets they sent over a fibre optic connection and they could already track things. You can’t simply trace the call you were just use caller ID to know what the number is that could then be entered into a separate system, but it’s not like a Hollywood spy movie that technology just doesn’t work that way.
How does the saying go again, if it's not broken don't fix it !
Very true. They usually make things worse when they destroy things that have worked for decades and replace . They should leave things alone.
The dslam unit that are connected to all phone lines that manage Internet send all calls and Internet data over the Internet anyway in exchanges or green cabinets in this case it’s better to have an individual unit in your house to send it over fibre because these units are quite unreliable and so are the copper cables which do need fixing
Easier to spy on you.
So is your mobile phone. Oh and it tracks your movement.
Let's hope the Scot's are having a huge clear out.
Between exchanges and open reach cabinets the Internet is already used so they would already have the systems in use but if you really care about privacy a landline probably would not be the way of communicating that I would choose
Digital is fragile.
It’s already a digital system that uses the Internet for lots of it between exchanges
Why is nobody talking about this,my parents dont have internrt ,broadband and their disabled
Then they’ll still have her phone because this is not taking away landline it’s replacing them. A piece of equipment will be installed and engineer will help and plug the phone into it. It will still work just with the new system because the copper cables have to be replaced with new technology, and if someone is too disabled to even assist the engineer by telling them where they want it, they will have special accommodations and help planned out
Actually BT etc have extended it for 2 years
BT do not operate the network they still would lease the lines from open reach so BT could continue an analog phone service but open reach would replace the equipment and install the new stuff in your house regardless of what BT want
This can't be allowed to happen. There are far too many remote areas out in the countryside of England, Scotland and Wales and even some islands which still don't even have broadband access. The phone line network MUST stay up regardless of what these companies want for themselves. If they wont comply then it's on the Government to issue massive fines and force them into compliance.
The phones are staying up they’re replacing the cabling with fibreoptic it can transmit Internet data but they will provide you a little box to plug into the fibre optic that will give you phone that will give you Internet or whatever you’re paying for quite simply if you do not want to replace this cabling, the phone lines are going to fail. They are so old and need replacement to stay working. They are simply replacing the medium of cable from copper to light, the data over it is Internet data but you can convert a landline phone to work with this. They will help you with this and do it.
Surveillance state stuff. I noticed they recently switched from the older 'analogue' to digital for normal voice calls. The government is breaking article 8 of the ECHR intercepting 'private' 'correspondence' so it stands to reason. Yousaf will be listening.
Their enemies have a backdoor to themselves. Idiots run the countries currently.
Most are removing it.
Evidence? Facts? It would need A/D convertors on homes/premises to achieve that. There have been A/D convertors to multiplex calls at a trunk level for years.
it's a fallacy to believe there is a copper phone network, it's just copper endpoints. on a PSTN copper line, it's only analogue to the exchange, then it's converted to digital. Back in the very late 80's, BT started digitising exchanges and linking exchanges up via fibre optic, it was all part of replacing their copper backbone network with fibre optic, that was completed a long time ago, rural areas remained copper. Any calls you make are only analogue to the exchange, converted to digital and then carried via fibre to the destination exchange and then converted back to analogue. With the advent of the internet, they discovered how to send large amounts of data via copper cable, thus ADSL was born. All copper end points are being changed to data only lines, until fibre replaces them.
@@T5Zplayer Voice over IP. Look it up. "The investigatory powers act 2016", look it up.
I wonder if this will make it easier for "third-parties" to record, store, and snoop on everyone's conversations?
If you are on here you can't be that worried 😂
@@Luke-en2tk Yes, you're probably right there!
Read Permanent Record by Ed Snowden.
Please note that calls already goes through the Internet between exchanges and between open reach cabinets it is not a big change. It’s just where this is happening that’s changing.
Virgin switched me about a month ago, they had problems with the internet and i lost my phone..
So couldn't make any calls for hours, could not even phone virgin to report my internet was down.
That's probably one of the operator-desired _„Features“_ of this new system: You can't call up to complain that your broadband is down if your broadband is down... 😉
That is a bit of a problem for them. This is open route network which is being replaced because BT calls already go through the Internet for most of them.
Hmmm deeply suspicion about all of this give the current climate. What happens if the power goes down? The wifi goes down? Don’t want wifi like mum, who doesn’t the internet in her home.
GPO engineer vans were once a common site, now sadly gone the way of many other defunct trades.
Engineers are still needed to fix the network with this new technology. They’ve just realise that the ancient copper cabling from the 60s that is starting to break needs fixing
Yea this is already a thing in Canada. There are zero options for normal phone lines. Now if the power or internet goes out you can’t do squat. No tv, internet or phone. Just communications blackout.
There are lots of options you just say they are non-because you can’t be bothered to get any options back back up equipment could be installed by you for your end very cheaply as the rest of the network is power redundant
It is a bad idea, mine has been gone for over 8 years (I'm in Australia). These copper networks should be kept and maintained but governments everywhere are getting rid of the infrastructure. He did not tell you though that digital networks are easier to gain access to, thus making it possible to record your personal information. This digital network are just what hackers and scammers want. Notice how we are never asked if we wish to use a new technology - it is always forced upon us.
You are very misinformed most countries from about 2000 have been sending calls over the Internet in the UK. Some lines go to exchanges and they have digital infrastructure and so do most roads with a cabinet where the wires go to they send all the calls over fibre optictechnology to the Internet for exchanging in most cases this is just cutting out the last mile of copper because the copper cables are so old and the issue is is going to cost so much to replace the copper wires and they are not good for future proofing so the government could replace the copper cabling but they’re not going to be suitable in five or 10 years because of the Internet speed we need as a society
"Vulnerable ppl"-- anyone can become a "vulnerable" person at ANY TIME!!!
Old analogue phones worked in a powerout. VoIP doesn't.
It definitely definitely can with battery back up units and there are some conditions they will provide them. If not you could purchase a cheap one that will last with replacement batteries occasionally.
When I watched the Day After Tomorrow one of the lines that stood out was using a landline did not need electricity, so contact was possible.
Now, that is ending, as if the electricity goes out landlines connected to broadband do not work, so how can you contact to say that the electricity is out.
Ok, you may be able to use your mobile/smart phone, but after a while even they need electricity to recharge. And yes there have been times when areas have had electricity lines badly damaged and people have been without electricity for a few days.
Bottom line, hope that you are never in an emergency, as you will lose the ability to communicate from home.
Also when the power is out and it affects the cell tower, well unless it has a generator, you lose mobile signal too. Some might have batteries that will give you mobile signal for a few hours.
Watch the video again , he explains that traditional phone lines work because their cables provide electricity to the phone network.
@@dlarge6502 no you are misled. Such a equipment has battery backups that will last ages and potentially generators so it is always up.
I love my landline I want to keep it.
The same government that told us vaping was better than cigarettes lol
VOIP is shit lol if your network provider in your area is shit.
You can keep your landline but it’s not going to work because the cabling is so old and broken. It’s going to cost more to replace it then to put fibre optic in the way it works is you’ll have a box where a router can be plugged in the fibre plugged in and you can plug a phone in so it will not use your Internet company if you don’t want to, it will be a lot better than the current system for Internet and calls will also be potentially better
Why tear up old infrastructure? People are still reliant on those lines
It's due an overhaul but instead of recruiting new engineers and commissioning new parts to do the overhaul the cheaper option is to retire the old engineers and lay down a lower maintenance and cheaper alternative.
They are not just turning off phones willy-nilly they are switching to a new system in case you don’t know switching into a new system means changing over the customers to it they will still have the service just provided slightly differently
Why is this report being done like one of those awful corporate DEI 'training' videos?
I thought it was an advertisement at some points.
@@Kr0nicDragon Infomercial
@@ANobodyatall bingo
So I will no longer have to pay for my landline.
If you get broadband then yes, you will as you use the landline for that. What you might be thinking of is the voice service, which you will still pay for as it's a service.
BT charge an extra £2 for a landline but if you don't want it you just pay for broadband.
Set an Internet companies will provide a landline for free with a certain amount of minutes and charge you if you go over because it’s at virtually zero cost for them now and they hope you use it and pay the cost of it for going over the allocated amount, but generally they don’t make you pay a landline fee
My friend has been months getting her landline changed over by BT. They make an appointment for a technician to call, then don't turn up. Last time they said there was a problem in the area, she's not heard from them since.
BT will automatically pay you compensation for any missed appointments. I know because it happened to me. Check out their website and put in a complaint.
@@mda5003
You're a very helpful person, and with some very useful information. Thank you, and stay well.😊
BT do not operate the network open route do they make the appointments and they don’t even call themselves? BT but if that has been something like damage to the network they do have to prioritise that.
Yep the end of emergency services
When the power goes down you used to be able to call and find out
The emergency services have power back up systems in place for this very reason.
But how would I contact the emergency services in the first place with no landline or mobile signal?@@markmclachlan3803
@@markmclachlan3803 I suspect he meant if the power goes down in the house and unable to call the emergency services.
You can have a battery back up provided your end if you meet certain requirements or you could go out and purchase one
When was the consultation on this? I don’t remember being contacted about it.
It was consulted on by the Conservatives' new _„If we want it to happen we can ,deem' that the British public support it“_ policy, which is intended to save public funds by avoiding „unnecessary“ (Or rather; „inconvenient“) referenda... 🇬🇧🛂🗳🤔
Quite honestly if you want the phone network you still work copper lines are not the way to do it. They are starting to degrade massively and it’s going to cost trillions in the copper alone let alone the labour and everything else to replace them. The phones will still work with an adapter box if you would like to use the landline they are just replacing them with five rocket cabling which is much more future proof, option is if you do not like the new technology to not have a phone
@@UKsystems My question was about the consultation not the details of the change. This is a massive infrastructure change to a system that has been in place, and a mainstay of our society, for well over a hundred years now. The purpose of a public consultation is to make sure the public are clearly informed about suggested or planned changes and that everyone has a chance to voice their concerns in good time, so that issues can be addressed and mitigation measures can be put in place at the planning stage.
This is very old news. It's been known about for ages.
Agreed it has
Yeah but it got put back
The background music is a little annoying
VOIP: what a neat way to build a voice recording bank to... Maybe... Train an AI to forge compromising calls for political opponents or other undesirables...
Don’t you realise that they could monitor the analog phone network easily without detection by literally clipping two wires onto a phone or using special engineers telephones in a cabinet? This way there would be actual evidence of their recording, but it’s already routed through the Internet.
So the landline goes, and the internet takes over, I bet they still
Charge you for calls, and the old line rental, when your already paying for the internet anyway.
They know full well,when the internet goes down you lose everything, another nail in the coffin, for pensioners
Calls already are routed through the Internet between exchanges or parts of exchanges so that argument is quite redundant but pensioners will still be able to have access and you will still be able to just have a landline. They’ll just give you a converter box
Protest immediately.... copper lines much stable....GO TO HELL WITH TOTAL INTERNET DEPENDENCY 😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠
It’s already goes through the Internet between green cabinets and exchanges and exchanges and each other it’s already dependent on it entirely. Copper lines are not stable about 30% of them at the moment. Do not meet the standard insulation resistance which is required for a clear phone call so the lines are shorting but not a dead short so the quality is severely degraded, these lines are on the place where it all cost so much more to replace them
Force everyone to take on a broadband package to keep their home phone, eh?
No, there are definitely options to provide landlines without broadband however those services involve providing a very slow speed of broadband and a converter box. Each may not be accessible to the customer if they only pay for phone.
How much are BT going to charge us for what everyone else gives us for free?
The network should be sold of as going concern not destroyed. This is corporate vandalism as BT does not want to run ity and does not want competition from it if sold off. BT wants its monopoly.
You are very mislead. BT does not own the network open reach does and anyone can Lisa connection from them. If you wanna become an Internet connection you can get them to connect your customers. The old network is degraded. So many phone lines are being replaced because they’re failing they’re replacing it with fibre optic so it continues so working, you could buy the copper network but it’s about £7 trillion in copper alone replacing all of the copper lines for fibre optic or cost about 3 billion so if you think about it, you would not want to buy the copper network that is unreliable and in need of such an overhaul which is currently happening
@@UKsystems Open reach is part of BT. Just like the Police, the Judiciary and BBC are part of the government and are suppose to be independent. How independent are they?
I don't believe it for a second that "there are no parts".
It's for the following reasons:
1. Training new engineers on the old tech is somehow hard, so they'll rather not do it.
2. With a VOIP system you need far fewer engineers! So you save money by not recruiting replacements for the ones entering retirement.
3. The old system is old and does need more work to keep it running, so instead of commissioning parts manufacturing and recruiting new engineers you use the existing engineers to lay the new lower maintenance replacement that only replaces some of the old systems functionality.
You really can’t buy old phone exchange parts without spending thousands and if it’s for repairing one line that seems a little bit outrageous they are though mainly an Internet basic exchange system where they convert it to the Internet in the exchanges now but that equipment from Huawei which is known for spyware recently so they probably want to avoid itcosts about £1 million
What about areas that get their internet from the lang lines?
They'll use mobiles
@@dlarge6502no
They are going to replace the cabling as that’s what’s happening in countrywide they’re changing out the copper for fibre optic and you have a little box at the end that a rude can be plugged into or a phone depending on what you pay for or both
What about my phone line for internet?
Best you stop talking trrr8tor
You no longer need a phone line to get internet.
@@mda5003 How do I get it without 'phone?
@@uingaeoc3905 I'm with BT and they simply provide broadband on a fibre connection through a router - no landline or phone number is required.
Relies on reliable broadband and no power cuts or a good mobile signal if either of these happen. Not thought through enough and this linked to no consideration for customer needs. Not good!
There’s not been enough thought on your half. You can have a battery back up unit provided under some instances. If not you could go out and purchase one. It already goes through the Internet so this is making it more reliable as the last mile copper section of the phone lines, has a very very high percentage but quite often it’s just a degraded signal and they fix it without you even knowing
3:10 😳 🤔what is a person to do during a zombie apocalypse?
Which is great until your broadband goes down then your phone is useless. There are loads of areas where fiber isn’t available.
And even where it is, it's awfully costly. I'm disabled so have a very low income and have to use mobile internet as *any* form of broadband costs more than I can afford. 💸
The only „Fibre“ I'll ever be able to afford is a carton of bran flakes. 🚽
@@dieseldragon6756 this fibre Internet will mean it’s more affordable because it’s cheaper to operate. There’s also more government subsidies for people on different forms of benefits and disability allowances.
However, generally your broadband goes down your phone will go down anyway because it’s on the same wire with the fibre. It’s just changing what it goes over to something far more reliable and battery back up is integrated.
@@UKsystems This, admittedly, is one advantage I have with using a mi-fi; If the local power/internet goes down mine stays up for as long as the battery has charge, and the same applies to my radio (Which I run via a power bank) as well. Last time we had a power cut, I didn't even notice until I tried making a brew! ⚡🫖😁
I have a retail business. We decided to switch over to digital last year to give ourselves plenty of time to iron-out any wrinkles. I am pleased we did. The business suffered from around 4 months of poor phone connections (not receiving incoming calls, inability to make outgoing calls). We had to divert all calls to a mobile, and we lost a lot of customers as a result.
I recommend everyone makes the switch sooner than they have to because it will be absolute chaos with large numbers of people being forced to switch at the same time.
I have kept the mobile as a backup. If the digital system loses connection for any reason (including power-outage), calls will automatically divert to the mobile.
There has been no business benefit whatsoever to making the change to digital. We did it because we knew we would be forced to switch eventually.
It was earlier doctors of the technology that had a slight issue because there was a bug that is what you’re describing. They have actually fixed a lot of these issues now.
so what about people with next to no internet or no phone signal especially up north? or is the north being abandonned again. some businesses here have only recently gotten internet and card payments over the copper wires, fibre is years away still.
Every phone line will be replaced with fibre optic cabling so you actually have good Internet in those areas. This expansion of fibre network will also allow more phone masks to be connected easily. The fibre is going to replace all these cables eventually
Very good now theres no back up.
It already goes through the Internet the way the analog phone network works between different exchanges. You can have a small back back of unit and it will keep working in a power cut because everything else in the system has battery back up.
Great. I live in a very rural area and I have crap Internet and no mobile signal at all. Added to that very frequent power cuts during winter which can last a couple of days. I guess I need to go back to carrier pigeon and hope I dont have an emergency.
They’re going to fix the Internet by replacing all the wires with fibre optic that are much better as they do the grave resistance but far less than signals over copper lines in certain cases help provide battery back up at your end which I believe in areas as high amount of power cuts they may be able to if you qualify if not you can purchase back up equipment very cheaply
"What's the Problem?"...ooh that's easy POWER CUTS...we lost power for two days not so long ago and the phone was the only way to get info from the power companies...this other method...it's going to not end well...
They'll tell you to check the website or use the app 😂
Then buy a battery back up unit or they can provide them in some instances depending on where you are and a lot of other things
hold on - the router is attached to the copper lines.
Ssshh. He has a router to sell you.
@@cocos8903😂
It's glass fibre, not copper.
You will need a new router which will be supplied by the provider
They’re replacing the lines with fibre optic and getting rid of the copper lines but they can also introduce new standards which are far more reliable over the copper line that handle small faults a lot better whilst they’re waiting for a replacement
There was once a regulatory ban to solely having a cordless ‘phone at your domicile. You needed a separate copper landline, as back up, because of the tech’s unrealiabity when it came to ringing 999 for the emergency services.
I live and work in a gigabit fibre norm part of the centre of London, despite this my broadband gets outages up to three times every day. This cost cutting measure will be a life cutting measure, specifically for the old for whom our having tolerated insane pandemic policies to keep the alive, will drop like flies because of this rubbish.
To call an ambulance you are supposed to be able to ring a simple number, not reliant on your mobile battery charge. Neither are most ordinary people fit, during a life threatening emergency, when some monster is breaking into their home at 3am, or capable, of spending five minutes resetting their router, only to then be told to raise a technical support message maybe answered within 48hrs.
It will not kill people potentially your Internet going out three times a day is an issue with your equipment and it needs reporting back back up. Equipment can be installed your info as a power cut but also going at three times a day would definitely be a priority and requiring emergency response.
I only got rid of my mobile last week a old flippy one to keep my landline
You could keep it anyway they’re not getting rid of it. It’s just gonna be provided in a different way when they shut down the old cables.
Oh no i prefer landline phones xx🤨
You can keep a landline they’re just replacing the landline cabling with fibre optic and you’ll have a little box to make it work
What an excellent video, explaining I'm sure, everything we need to know about this changeover. The video was clear and easy to understand. Well done, GB News, great job indeed! 👏
People going on about old people in here when this country is terrible with looking after older people anyways. Most people just chuck them in a old peoples home
Thank you for providing a lot of information in an Easy to Understand way , truly appreciated 👍👍👏👏
It has nothing to do with upgrading quality its about updating security... national security..🤫🤔
It already goes through the Internet between green cabinets and exchange buildings and each other they could already monitor it and actually analog lines are easy to snoop on without detection
Basically, we're fucked, and they don't care.
Can u imagine
Having a black out
The day earth stood still
Battery back up equipment
The devil is as always in the detail. . How will they service emergency phones in remote locations which are powered by the phone line? Emergency phones in lifts which will not work if the building loses power. . Burglar Alarm lines and Telemetry circuits for monitoring and controlling remote utility equipment,. Remote dwellings and commercial buildings ? The copper network will be around for a while yet but as the networks transfer to total fibre it will mean when there is physical damage the failure will affect far more people. When the Exchanges are no longer needed and all is through Data Centres then equipment failures will impact millions. What happened to the USO "Universal Service Obligation " Have Ofcom agreed for the Telcos to refuse to continue service to premises they are already serving purely on cost grounds to go fibre.
There are pieces of equipment that can connect to the fibre optic line and provide you a analog phone connection with back back up building our standard because I hope you didn’t think you’re just plugging fibreoptic into a phone that is not really how it works when they replaced the network there was a lot of considerationand things like alarm circuits and stuff like that have the problem solved because they just plug into the box with the phone cable
@@UKsystems The point is that a lot of remote emergency locations work on the exchange battery provided by the line and are in exposed locations. Its the power supply which even with modern green solutions is going to be the problem. Instead of a small weather proof phone box on a stick you are looking at equipment cabs and power infrastructure all of which will need looking after. Follow the money or lack of it.
So now we have to leave our modem plugged in wasting Lecy, 24/7, clever.
Actually, the power supply uses more charging the capacitors inside when it’s first plugged in then it does all day so if you keep plugging and unplugging it it’s going to be worse you could probably power it from my battery and a very small solar panel if you actually wanted to not pay the electricity cost for under £50
We all need satellite phones
The copper line is far better quality.
It is also far more reliable.
Power outages do not affect the copper line as there are back up generators at the exchanges.
Nothing repeat nothing can beat the copper line.
I have a copper line to our local exchange and also have very fast broadband through the copper line.
Wi-Fi throughout my house means I have all the facilities I need.
I am going to cling on to my copper line as long as possible or until I see something better, which there is nothing better at the present time.
I suspect the wolves are looking at all that copper that can be got from the BT underground cables.
Remember once gone never to be got back.
No doubt there will be incentives on offer to ditch that copper wire coming into your house soon.
One of the tricks up their sleeve is to cause the master socket to fail by simply applying a voltage that can cause it to fail…. Very easily done.
The cost of repair could be quite high as it entails a visit to replace the socket.
But we shall see how this goes over the years as some people cling to their copper connection.
Then there is the security issue….copper is very secure unless the law is broken and someone taps into your copper line.
You are very misled here copper lines are not better quality than fibre optic fibre optic as far more superior. You can have battery back up equipment on your end to keep it working as the backup for the copper lines doesn’t last that long there is no local exchange anymore it goes over the Internet as sincerely 2000. They were removing exchanges but replacing them with units to send it to the Internet.
I keep a landline going at present because where I live near The Wash broadband & mobile phone signals are rubbish.
When they replaced the copper lines for fibre optic, it means you’ll have great Internet connection even in rural areas
What happens when power is out . Ram it
Battery back up equipment
Have not had a phone since Virgin did this. the phone is downstairs the hub is upstairs so no phone.
Century old yes but it worked. Power outages are commonplace here in Scotland so what happens then? Rhetorical question....
If BT want to buy me an IPhone 15 I will be happy with that and use apps as the day is long. No chance of that happening anytime soon.
Battery backup equipment can be provided for free for qualifying people or it can be purchased very cheaply copies don’t just work. They actually have quite a high failure rate and a lot of the wires are so degraded hence the replacement.
I quit my landline last year, the woman on the phone asked me why are you wanting to stop your phone. I said that there's no point in paying line rental for a service that's getting faized out in a few years!
It’s not being phased out you can still have it. It’s just provided very differently by other companies.
If the Labour government in the 1970’s didn’t stop bt rolling out fibre optic cables across the uk, we wouldn’t have copper phone lines in the uk. But the Labour government at the time stopped bt to help bring in competition which never happened for another 10 years.
This is why we have an issue now.
So now they are forcing people to use mobiles or internet based phones or ip phones.
So if you live in a city or major town your have good internet access, but if you live in a small village or the countryside then your still be waiting for fast internet.
This is not good for the poor, old as it means another added cost they may not be able to afford.
Our broadband comes via our phone line, so how will this work?!
It will come via fibre optic cable, BT are currently putting up the fibre in our street on the existing phone poles.
Ahh okay, coz that's exactly wot we have, the old phone poles with the cables swinging over and attached to our house
when the internet is down then we are fecked