Is 6mm ARC a good cartridge?
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Join me as I take a look at the Hornady 6mm ARC (Advanced Rifle Cartridge), a round that’s been surrounded by hype. But is it living up to expectations? In this video, I critically analyze the 6mm ARC, its variations, the modifications necessary for guns to accommodate this round, and the platforms compatible with it.
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I gotta disagree with you here. My 6 arc has been an absolute laser beam. I shoot consistent .75" 5rd groups and I've had success with it out to 1200 yards, and can make very consistent hits to 1000 yards. Noveske 18" barrel and headspaced bolt.
Glad to hear it! What velocity are you seeing?
@@michaelpeters6659 2680'ish with handloads. Have gotten 2700+ but groups start to open up a bit. I need to play with it more. I'd really like a 2700+ load that will keep .75" groups.
@@jason91notch out of an 18” tube that’s fantastic! I’m hoping to build one in a bolt gun this year
@@michaelpeters6659 Im getting 2950 out of a 80 gr. open tip match out of a 18 inch oden works with head spaced bolt and have achieved 1/4 in groups repetitively. Coyotes out to 600+ yards definitely do not like them. I hope this Guy dose not end up being a prophet. i love the round. Its Cheep to Reload accurate as any Round and for a 6mm that Dose not require fire forming, And has more bullet options than so many other cal. Im planning on seeing what it will do with a 55 grain iv heard roomers that with the right powder it can reach 4000 fps in bolt guns and 3700 in ar's.
THE ISSUE WAS NOT ACCURACY. It was parts durability in gas guns.
Let me guess. You're still pissed that the 224 val fell on its ass
The ron spomer thumb nail is misleading, he is pro 6 arc . Did you even watch the video ?
Came to comment the same thing
Yep. Tell us you don’t know what Spomer said, without telling us you don’t know what Spomer said.
News flash, factory ammo from Hornady was made to work in all 6arc guns. The point of 6arc is that in the gas gun load data it still shoots flatter and hits harder than 556.
Hitting harder doesn't mean shit. Shot placement is paramount. The ARC shoots flatter but decreases parts life, barrel life, and cost a lot more than 5.56 per round.
@@LongFatJohnston performance comes at a cost and the 6arc has much better accuracy at range because the wind doesn’t push it around nearly as much making the 6arc more capable of making good shot placement at a distance and it has the energy at that distance to be effective. If you never shoot past 200 yards none of this matters to you, but I do and I’d rather pay more money and hit my shots the first time
Ron spomers video you cited was actually a joke title making fun of his previous article on it....the video explains why he was wrong abd that its actually a fantastic cartridge that is better in many aspects than a lot of the common cartridges in part bc its an AR round with better long range ballistics than 6.5 Grendel and a MPBR of 280 yards....thats better than 80% of rounds out there let alone ar rounds
^as soon as I saw he had cited a video that he didn’t watch it went out the window.
I don't think he actually shoots
You don't have to like 6ARC, but posting a video to illustrate your technical ignorance was a dumb move😂
Showing the amount of metal taken out of a 6-mm Arc bolt compared to others is technical ignorance? Showing pressure and other technical information out Hornady reloading manual is technical ignorance? You sound like the one who is technically ignorant and logically ignorant.
Not to mention, the .223 is safe for gas guns at 55k psi. But is capped at 62k psi for bolt guns. So his same logic to diss the 6arc is true for the .223 and literally ANY other caliber
All cartridges and rifle combinations have "Limits". For what the ARC was designed for, it is a Home Run indeed. If you want greater velocity in a gas gun at 52k pressure tolerance, all one has to do is go to a longer barrel to acheive greater velocity. For hunting purposes the limits of bullet construction for terminal performance and loss of energy delivered at a certain distance, is more important. Therfore the ARC is a great little cartridge made better with fine tuned Handloads and good marksmanship.
Wow all I can say is I doubt you have any experience behind the 6mm arc. I earn a living behind the arc, I’m about 1200 rounds into my build. Absolutely no issues with it or my bolt has performed flawlessly. It’s a extreme well thought out round. No regrets here.
6mm arc at $1.50 per round is $1,800 in ammo.
@@Mike-xi4zt yea if you look at it that way but I shop around . Typically if you spend 300 at a time it’s free shipping usually no tax, unless I get in a pinch. Good to know your rifle,shooting a lot keeps you sharp. Everything fun cost too much.
@@Trapper-tr3sd utilizing free shipping and sale prices help. Reality is in three years the price of components has basically tripled in price. All of the cartridges designed to fit in a AR-15 use small rifle primers and burn less powder and are halfway decent and performance. If you're shooting steel targets or varmint more power is not really necessary. They will even work for most big game if you use the proper bullets
@@Mike-xi4zt yes Sir that is correct. Hoping to finish a 22 arc build tonight. 22 cal always a little cheaper too. I really do like the performance of the 6 tho.
My 6ARCs have been freaking awesome . I built all mine for practical distances like 600Y and in . That's all I have access too .
It hits way harder than 556N and works wonderfully as dual purpose Hunting and Mid Range Rig . Surely it's not perfect but it does everything I need it too .
I've shot couple PRS Gas Gun Matches with it . I'm not that good at LR but it was easier to connect at 589Y with 16" 6ARC vs 16" 556N .
6ARC is perfect for Deer or Hoggs . Hornady 103g ELDX works extremely well on game . I live in mid Atlantic area so 150Y is super long shot on deer . I have little 12.5 6ARC that I use all the time . Super Lightweight and I have 0 issues banging 10" piece of steel at 500Y .
6MAX does look promising but I just dont see the point for practical purposes. I favor heavier bullets with higher BC vs Lighter bullets with faster Velocity.
Shot placement is king but I'd rather have more umph than velocity.
I also have a 12.5ARC. it is my favorite in the collection. Super compact, light weight, laser beam to 500yd.
BRO YOUR LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON WHO SAYS THIS ROUND ISNT THE FUTURE!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
No he's not.
@@BDKR ok, so what are you the 2nd?
@@franklinholt8054 LOL! Great response!
But seriously, the facts matters. Oh hey, here are a couple. 22ARC, 6MM Max, cycling issues, bolt breakage during matches, US Adoption of 277. Serbian adoption of .264 (6.5 Grendel), and expensive.
But rock on you! Keep being funny. :-)
@franklinholt8054 you sound like Greta Thunberg in you worship of 6mm ARC.
@@BDKR The 6 arc was developed for SOF and is currently both adopted and has been fielded for quite some time.
If Hornady providing two clearly labeled sets of load data where one gets you upset, you would hate to know 45-70 has three load data sets in Hornadys book 😱😱😱 it’s because some guns can handle it and some can’t.
All gas/bolt hand loads have separate load data.
6.5 grendel uses the same bolt and has been around for over 20 years and there has been banter online about the thinner bolt face design, and there probably has been some instances where failures have happened. There are always anomalies in everything. But as a whole they have performed great. Even through some very torturous testing. Even 5.56 bolts fail here and there so nothing is 100% guaranteed all the time... I can tell you from my personal experience with both the 6.5 Grendel and the 6 ARC. I personally favor the 6 ARC. I've had great success with 6 ARC. Of course that is just my opinion. We all have our own and that's OK. 👍
What you’re doing is called a non sequitur fallacy. Gas guns (most if not all) run at lower pressures than bolt guns. The m14 comes directly to mind. Combine the data comparisons and real world reporting of the 6mmARC. Place that data next to 556 or any non magnum in the ar15 platform. It’s not a perfect cartridge. They all have limitations. The 6mmARC is only going to be held back by lack of ammo manufacturing. It’s an amazing improvement over 6.5g and 556. Walks the 6.8 and stomps a 300. 🤷♂️
The more I use it, the more I see clear advantages. Your be well served to do better research.
According to Shooting Times and Shooting Illustrated, Hornady 6mm ARC factory loads are 52,000 psi. The factory loads I use outperform anything I've ever shot in the AR-15 platform. It's not 6.5mm Creedmoor, but that's an entirely different platform.
Have you looked into JP rifles bolt?
My 6 ARC works great on white tails 🤷🏽♂🤷🏽♂
All you need is an upgraded bolt, right? What’s your experience with JP bolts?
JPE enhanced bolts are the way to go. I have an OdinWorks 2nd gen bolt, and it’s working well (repeatable sub 1moa 10 groups at 200 yds), so I’m hesitant to change it, but I also have a JPE enhanced bolt waiting in the wings should the Odinworks shed a lug.
with my experience shooting a 223, 308, and a 6br in F-class, and then shooting those cartridges against other shooters, it seems 600 yds and beyond there is still an advantage to the 6arc with a heavier bullet even at the lower speeds. especially with what you would be using in mag feed situation. This is something that deserves a test to see what the difference actually is.
@reeseontherange 6 mm arc, suppressed, coyotes only. Whats a better caliber? Besides the Grendel
LOL...The price of a spare bolt vs. the price of ammo for a very brief range day? Probably not a significant difference. This is your one end-all, be-all gripe against the 6arc? Just curious, how many arc/grendel bolts have failed for you in your experience shooting 6ARC?
So is the bolt solution a 6mm Grendel? A 6BR? I’m no gunsmith, Can you get a better bolt/reciever from another similar sized 6mm variant and just chamber/barrel for 6ARC?
Why is every 6mm cartridge argued with a deal breaker context? Every cartridge/calibre series has it.
I’m quite happy with 6ARC, I like the higher bc 103+gr leaping it out of a varmint category, but also like 80gr idea that I think will probably have similar velocity to 223 throwing 55gr and surely the 6ARC packs more punch. 80gr factory at 52.000psi seems like a great replacement for 223.
I think all factory 6ARC ammo is down at the 52,000psi so nobody blows themselves up in the gas guns. Seems bolt 6ARC needs handload to unlock its potential. 6mm is a frustrating bullet from the smallest of cartridge cases.
I'm just researching the 6mm Arc, (old 308 guy), but didn't they say the same thing about the Grendel bolts when it came out? That it was weak and likely to fail at higher pressures? Lots of Grendel ammo choices still so maybe they fixed it? AAC guys making it now.
6.5 Grendel already exists
at the 45 sec mark you showed pics of people who ABSOLUTELY LOVE this round but indicate they dont like it! WOW! 4 years into the mix and IT ABSOLUTELY HAS LIVED UP TO THE HYPE! Get a Job Bro and stop RUclips!
Thank goodness for individual opinions. Sorry it doesnt work for you, for others is great... Ce la vi...
6mm arc, 22 arc, 224 V, 24 Nosler, 22 nosler, use small rifle primers, which is about the only primer been able to get for the last 4 years. Large rifle are almost non-existent. 4350 powder recently has been selling for $75 a pound which is way through the roof. So all of the cartridges meant to fit in an AR become more appealing when it comes to buying components to reload them. A cartridge that burns 28 grains of powder let you load 250 shots per pound. Which is what most of the AR cartridges are in the ballpark of powder requirements.
it cleary doesn't work for you, but clearly works for others.
Nothing you present actually shows its a 'dud'. It is the best thing one can put into an ar15 without going to a ridiculously long barrel =advantage over 6.5. No its not 7mm SPR. But you can't put that in your ar15!
Bwahahaha, is this Chad serious?
Ron Spomer's video is PRO 6mm ARC.....big oof 🤦♂
I agree with your take. Or did. Loading the 6 arc with 100+ grain bullets to get bc just crushed the velocity. However my ar really likes the new 80 grain vt bullet with varget. Id also be curious if youve seen a jp enhanced bolt fail.
No one has
🙄 never had a problem with my 6arc
2 points, the first, I guarantee Hornady is loading to 52k psi because they want to avoid the possibility of people loading hot rounds in a gas gun. Second, most small frame AR cartridges (excluding NATO cartridges) are ran at 52-55k psi. The larger case head does limit the arc on pressure in a gas gun but so far, it's proven itself to show what the small frame AR is capable of. With the entrance of 22 arc and 6 max, it'll be interesting to see if those take over.
Of course there are different loads for an AR. The gun has to cycle. Who has ever had a bolt fail? Ruger builds a 6 shot .454 Casull when every other manufacturer uses a five shot cylinder. They use special steel. The same could be said for AR bolts. I’ve never seen one fail. Perhaps it’s a myth. At least you can put a more potent cartridge into an AR-15 and have a legal deer round in states where .22 caliber is outlawed for deer.
Bro is onto nothing 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Here same problem as 9 mm Para pistols were chambered for 40 S&W. Simply they have to make thicker bolts for 6 ARC. Why blame good cartridge?
thicker bolt in AR15? There's only so much space available. If you jump up to an AR-10 platform you can make a bolt that will handle the higher pressure 6 mm Arc.
Another genius behind a weapon 😂😂😂😂😂
Just watched a video on Eagle eye shooting, and he loves it.
He shoots AR and bolt gun
Thank you for proving that you are clueless. You sound like a 5.56 fanboy. 6mm ARC is gaining alot of popularity. More effective as a hunting round and performs better at longer ranges. The bolts are not an issue unless maybe you shop at palmetto state or any other low end retailer. Buy quality parts from a quality company and you will have nothing to worry about.
3 spare bolts per match just to be able to shoot a spicy 6 ARC??? My God bro. What else? I was waiting for you to say some other bs like 6 ARC causes Parkinson's Disease.
I can agree that the weak bolt is an issue. I’ve put thousands of rounds through my Grendel over the past 8 years and have three bolts from different manufacturers that all broke right next to the extractor. All that said, I still love my Grendel and can now swap bolts with my 22ARC if it breaks.
@@lawndartmike7099 stop buying cheap bolts
Dont sleep on the 6.5 Grendel! its the best in the ar15 for what I do.
The Grendel uses the same exact bolt as the arc but the arc is considerably better ballistically.
The 3 guys I know who have both will tell you that 6mm ARC smokes their Grendel, hands down... I never fell for the Grendel "gimmick," because I didn't see the upside, and ammo never seemed to be locally available, the ARC got my attention because I reload, and saw that you can reload it pretty economically, and it's ballistics are quite impressive... Easy to ring the 1000 yard gongs with both my Bolt action AND my AR 6MM ARC's!!! 👍
@@dougmorehouse7035 the deer I kill with my 6.5 Grendel, that wouldn’t be easily killed with 5.56, are a gimmick…..
@@dougmorehouse7035😮😮
Bought ass tons of Wolf steel grenny for 60c a round. Its a fun round. I dont shoot out past 500 ever however.
Like 6.5 Grendel, you're limited by case capacity and the amount of bolt thrust that the lugs can handle without shearing off.
6mm ARC is essentially a 6mm PPC, which has been around for decades, but you may not have heard of it unless you shoot 100 yard benchrest matches.
Hornady just plagiarized with other people have already done.
Swing and a miss!! Haha
lol no
Maybe better do a bit more research
Yes, you are correct, I built a Howa mini with an Oryx chassis and been chasing 1 MOA for about nine months. Finally found using 87 V-max and Benchmark. Hornady factory loads are only good for the brass, even though Howa guarantees 1 MOA with it! To simply sum it up, money could have been spent better on a different project. Keep up the good work, great channel.
Really. Darn. Been kickin this idea around
@@caseysmith8831 You might have different results, but you have been warned, LOL. Hornady is still the only one loading ammo, but Starline is now making brass with out needing to resize 6.5 Grendel brass. 6ARC videos have all but disappeared from RUclips. The only good thing about 6ARC was the marketing done by Hornady..
@@caseysmith8831,
Find a Savage Axis II with a varmint profile threaded barrel, way better than a Howa Mini. I have one that's consistently about 1/2 MOA or better at 100 yards and rang steel at 1000 on first trigger squeeze at that range. I also have a BCA AR upper (complete build straight from the factory) that's about 1/2-3/4 MOA with factory ammo, and was a 2nd round impact at 1K.... 👍💯 My experience with it and those I know who are also good shooters have had great success with it in BOTH bolt and AR platforms. Several 1000 yard gong ringers amongst us with 6mm ARC.
did you buy subscribers? lolololololololololol
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The 6mm ARC (Advanced Rifle Cartridge) has been a very successful and popular cartridge since its introduction by Hornady in 2020. Here are some key points about its success:
It has become one of Hornady's top selling rifle cartridges and the most popular chambering for AR-15 style rifles at many manufacturers.
It delivers substantially better ballistics than the .223/5.56x45mm while having 30% less weight and recoil than larger .308 Winchester cartridges. This optimal balance of performance and light recoil has driven its popularity.
It stays supersonic past 1,000 yards in standard conditions, giving it an effective long-range capability from the AR-15 platform.
Major manufacturers like Aero Precision, Ballistic Advantage, and Sgt of Arms have embraced 6mm ARC by offering barrels, uppers, and complete rifles in this caliber to meet high demand.
Hornady has released several match-grade and hunting bullet options in 6mm ARC, showing their commitment to expanding the cartridge's uses.
Shooters praise the 6mm ARC's accuracy potential, flat trajectory, and versatility for hunting, long-range target shooting, and even self-defense.
So in just a few years, the 6mm ARC has achieved significant commercial success by filling the niche for an accurate, flat-shooting, and hard-hitting cartridge in the popular AR-15 platform. Its performance has lived up to Hornady's claims, driving strong adoption by manufacturers and shooters alike.
Must disagree, or at the least say you are jumping the gun on your determination.... 4 years, yes you are correct. But covid BS tragically acrewed logistics and many many businesses.this 4 years is really only equivalent to about 18 months pre-covid imo
I realize post-recording that there are a number of holes I could poke in my own argument. And maybe I've got some aspects of the context of sequence of facts portrayed in a way that doesn't come across correctly. Still, the pressure restriction and bolt weak points are the driving forces behind why this cartridge will struggle to perform as well as it otherwise could.
Not exactly... much of your videos lack proper research on your end. Very opinionated and do not show proof to back your claims.
As a RUclipsr also, take in the comments folks are telling you. Start researching yourself and get the facts from the experts before making these videos
@@EagleEyeShootingthanks for having our backs. I know you’re a fan of the cartridge and are a big reason why I built my first ar15 upper in 6 arc. BCM blem upper, Odinworks 21” xl barrel and complete bcg, and a Timney R.E.D. trigger sends Hornady Black 105 gr bthp bullets down range at 2640fps into repeatable 1 MOA groups at 200 yds and reliably hits out to 1150 yds as well.
I agree that removing metal from the bolt lugs is a bad idea, so why not rebat the rim down to 5.56 deminsions? It's a lot easier to mill off some brass than it is to mill tool steel!!! This is the very reason I went with the 25-45 Sharps. If I were going to build a better cartridge I would take the 6.5 Grendel because brass is more readily available, rebate the head to 5.56 specs. And give it a 40 to 45 degree shoulder. I would do it is .257 and call it the 257 Shull. It would be the 25-45 Sharps on steroids and I'm getting 3000 fps with 80 grain ttsx out of it. At 52k to 54k pressure I think you could probably get 3200 fps or more .
24 Nosler is close to what you're talking about
@@Mike-xi4zt so is the 6mm maximum. It uses the 350 legend case which does work except brass is harder to find and I think it needs a mag modification. I'm not familiar with 24 Nosler I will look into it.
@@BryanShull-lt8gz 350 legend based 6mm max has some good aspects. The case length is to long to allow the highest 6mm BC bullets to fit in a 2.26 inch or 2.3 inch magazine. The 24 nolser will fit everthing in a 2.3 inch magazine. 24 nolser uses a 223/5.56 bolt head with 224 V/ 6.8 spc body diameter.
224V 6.8 spc maga zines should work.
@@Mike-xi4zt I looked at the 24 Nosler and yes that is what I was trying to do except I was trying to use a parent case that was readily available. I don't think I could form it from 223. 😂
@@BryanShull-lt8gz I have made my own Wildcats based on 223 brass. .224 and .243. Shortened the shoulder and case to 6.8 spc shoulder length and case length on 223 case. It lets you shoot the new high BC bullets and they can be sized with a carbide ring on the body and a neck and shoulder bump. No case lube required. Approximately same case capacity as a standard 223 so about the same load data as a standard 223
I fell for the Hornady marketing wank but i still like my Arc , it anchors deer in my back yard so I'm pleased with it . at least it didn't kick my balls like the 8.6 blackout brass issues 😂😂
It's a cool cartridge, but I still like 6.5 Grendal more.
😂
6mm max?
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about
I'd like to disagree with you but I can't. I'm looking to step up to high power silhouette from smallbore and the 6mms look good. Most people shoot 260 remington or 7-08 but that recoil for 80+rounds in a day gets punishing. The 6arc is only 4 grains less than 6br which has some users. But like you said there are better choices in 6mm once you go bolt gun. I really like what the 6gt has to offer. It looks like the optimum capacity for velocity without sacrificing recoil. 6 arc gets left behind.
Another failed 6.5 grendel dethroner. 6.8 tried, 224 miserably tried but couldn't compete even with their skewed data, and now another fail. This was the closest though, could be a decent military cartridge
I havent been able to get my cmmg endeavor 6arc to shoot less than 3.5moa. That said, the 6 arc is better than the 223 hands down. It has more energy at all distances and it shoots flatter with higher BC.
I agree that it does have the possibility for failure from the bolt. However i strongly believe that the guys having issues are loading hot. Lots of platforms have multiple loads for different guns. 45-70 is one of the oldest and has 3 load tiers.
My opinion is the ar-15 has some limitations the bolt actions don’t. And we keep creating new cartridges trying to mitigate those issues. I wish every manufacturer had different pressures for ar’s and bolt guns. That said you make some valid points.
We just need to redesign the AR's receiver to be slightly larger. Then more magazine and Cartridges can be designed without the current restrictions of the OAL. It'll help surpass the terminal ballistics of most current intermediate cartridges like 5.56, 6mm ARC, etc. And it would still be smaller and lighter than an AR-10.
And then call the platform AR-12 lmao
@@TheTGRproductions there you go. An cross between the ar-10 and ar-15. What’s odd is I’ve seen ar in 300 win mags work with factory ammo. A puny 6 arc should be fine.
I agree. I’ve had three bolts from different manufacturers break lugs next to the extractor in my 6.5 Grendel. I now have two interchangeable bolts, one for the Grendel and one for the 22ARC.
Forgot to mention: I’ve always loaded close to minimum powder loads in the Grendel. I’ve never broke a bolt in my 224 Valkyrie even after running max loads.
Uneducated Pointless video. 6 arc is great and does perform
Arc shooters gonna have a rude awakening to 6 MAX. Solves the bolt and pressure issues, while being nearly identical in velocity and bullet weight range to full pressure 6Arc.
6 mm max has some good qualities but the brass is too long to utilize the bullets over 100 grains in 6 mm and still fit in a magazine and that's at 2.3 in overall length which is longer than the standard 2.26 inch AR-15 cartridge length.
6 max has great potential but until it gets a SAAMI rating and bigger manufacturers to jump on board, it'll remain a niche cartridge like 6 dasher.
@@Mike-xi4zt It is why in 6mm MAX used metal .350 Legend mag, not AR-15 mag (espeicialy polymer)
@@jazon9 there is the AR-15 and many calibers are used in it. Not, there is the 350 Legend and many AR-15s are used in it. What you said is anti logical. Yes I know 5.56 oal is 2.26 inch. Yes I know that some stainless mags that fit in a AR allow 2.3 inch oal. Yes I know the highest BC 6mm bullets do not fit in any, not even 350 Legend mags, that fit in a AR 15, at 6mm max case length.
@@Mike-xi4zt AR-15 pattern mag it is not AR-15 mag. .350 Legend have own mag. You cant load .350 legend in AR-15 mag.
It’s not a dud. It’s a bolt action cartridge.
Better cartridges for AR are 6mm max or 6mm mongoose.
224 Valkyrie is better
6mm MAX > 6mm ARC
6mm MAX from SOLGW is better
Rexus bolt head…. 30% thicker than standard 6mm arc your welcome
Yeah its velocities are underwhelming.
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