As a Methodist, it is quite sad how correct you are. There is such a massive "big tent" that we basically have clusters or Methodists who can't agree on anything.
I've forgotten the phrase, but part of what we teach is something like tolerance on nonessential matters. That, for example, would explain why there's no official position on the virgin birth. I consider this a good thing.
That is just the work of the spirit that breaks through dogmas because it is vast and ever-growing within hearts and minds that are growing in Christ. It cannot be contained within these little tribal sects. That's why there is so much schism within Protestantism in general. It's actually a good thing.
I was raised as a Methodist now known as United Methodist. I was an ordained minister within the United Methodist Church went to and graduated from the United Methodist Seminary. So far one note of disagreement with you. The the Methodist Church was started because Anglican priests in the United States would not give communion to those people who were methodists. The news came to John Wesley that that was happening and he took things into his own hands and ordained, I believe it was Thomas Coke England Thomas Coke then travel to the United States and called for a conference on Christmas in Baltimore. He laid hands on all of the ministers also called circuit Riders told them to go out to the various places where the Methodist gathered and to start getting them communion. That's the birth of Methodist Church in this country
I live in a heavily Methodist area. When I was young, nobody around here had ever heard of infant baptism. When a Catholic would talk about having their baby baptised, everybody else would go, "Huh? What?" Now the Methodists seem to be 50/50 on infant vs. adult baptisms.
All the methodists I have known have only done infant baptism for generations, not counting converts. Methodists tend to call it "christening" and its usually done within 6 weeks of birth.
Originally Methodists were a breath of fresh air in the staid churches. Full of life in The Holy Spirit, preaching the Gospel and doing good. In the "west" many have let their zeal die or been watered down. Praying that the zeal will return and they get filled with the Holy Spirit again. Outside the "west" Methodist are doing quite well.
@@KandiKloveri hate it. Im a methodist but my church has all the pride flags and a woman pastor. I go for holidays but i just study the bible on sunday because i dont want to be absorbed into that culture
My dad was brought up in the United Brethren, his great grandfather was a lay-pastor, but when it became United Methodist, and the council installed a woman pastor, we went to an independent Baptist Church, Independent Baptist still today.
I have always heard that the time when George Whitefield as well as the Wesleys were preaching was the First Great Awakening and the Second Great Awakening started around the turn of the nineteenth century.
Reason, scripture, tradition, and passion are what define the methodist denomination. However, within the denomination are many more denominations. It's kind of confusing. You may have 2 vastly different experiences depending on which methodist church you go to.
Without liturgy, how would they even know what to do in a service? An egomaniac winging it? That's why liturgy is a prerequisite for me taking it seriously.
Very few Methodists left here as most joined the Uniting Church on its foundation in the late 1970's. In my own suburb of Sydney, the new Uniting Church obtained the former Presbyterian church while the remaining Presbyterians were given the old Methodist building. The old Presbyterian building was a very attractive one, but the old Methodist was as dour as one could be.
I seriously admire your ability to say a lot in a short time -- fast, but entirely lucid and accurate in terms of history and doctrine. As far as Methodism is concerned, one of the most interesting developments is the tendency for Methodists to gravitate back to their origins, which are in the Church of England. That is certainly the case where I live, In Cornwall in the west of the UK, which was a stronghold of Methodism (perhaps the greatest stronghold in the UK). Here Methodist congregations are closing at an astonishing rate. And yet we are coming together and finding our common identity in Christ. For those who find their identity in the traditions of Methodist or Anglican liturgy -- and there are so many -- I point towards the hope expressed by those who find our common identity in our Lord Jesus.
Converted a little more than a year ago, and became a Baptist, got baptized, fell out with the church. Now I am a Methodist. Aligns more with Free Methodists, but none around me.
Churches that keep splitting into separate sects are not gathering with Christ the Shepherd, but scatter against him as I see it, since Jesus said we do either/or.
@@bobclift101Queer, etc., worshippers are welcome in any UMC or GMC church. PRACTICING homosexuals/bisexuals cannot be ministers or participate in the leadership of the church; same sex weddings will not be performed in the church. This policy changed recently and a number of churches, who remained UMC have gone against the book of discipline. The GMC churches maintain the original doctrine. It has nothing to do with keeping your community OUT. It has everything to do with refusing to accept the behavior.
It should be made clearer that it is the United Methodists that have the pro LGBT stuff going on. Many of the United Methodist Churches actually disaffiliated and became their own entity or joined another group, like the Global Methodist Church or others. The united Methodist’s churches stance on lgbt does not represent the stance of Methodist churches in general.
Image converting tons of people in a huge inspirational way and when you tell them what time church starts they say "nah" and go to the Baptist church up the road.
Not all Methodist churches are either/or liturgical or contemporary. Some have both types of service every Sunday. Mine has two of each and is very faithful to the liturgical calendar.
In Brazil, we have some worship styles. Specially in Rio de Janeiro the pentecostal influence is visible. In Sao Paulo some people knows the name "Metodista" because the education institutes are more relevants than the church We're a conciliar and episcopal church. But in some cities, the methodism is looked as a 'rich-people church'.
So then, what are the key ecclesial and theological distinctives of Methodist vs Episcopal? (Besides a different hierarchical strain) is it the number of Sacraments? Is it that Methodists emphasize the conversion experience more?
Good questions. The answer to most would be No (not quite, in some ways, maybe). 1) Hierarchy in church governance (Episcopalianism), there is no basic difference theoretically only in practice, it exists but it is toned down; the major difference arises in the supreme governing authority of the English Monarch in church affairs (mostly via the parliamentary selected government). 2) The number of sacraments, again no, there are two only .. with at times some ordinances (at times treated as equivalent to 'sacraments' by Anglicans; the major difference resting what is meant by a 'sacrament' e.g. church approved ritual acts made holy by Christ's command - the Catholic understanding being precluded, i.e. the mystery of a divine pledge by the Word to act according to His word, in Scripture or Tradition = made holy in a specific rite). 3) Conversion, as an unique emotional experience (rather than a rite of conviction, contrition, and confession, i.e. absolution, penance and amendment) is elevated to a higher, almost sacramental* extent, than is seen in among most Anglicans, but no; this emotion is welcomed, I suspect, rather than expected. ;o) * A sacramental, a particular channel of divine favour, aka grace, akin to though distinct from a 'Sacrament'.
I'm no theologian, but I know a little about this. The "meat" of the theological and ecclesial differences I'm aware of begins in the 6th paragraph. I'm a former Roman Catholic (RC) who is now an Episcopalian for all intents and purposes (making it official is just a matter of time). My mom and sister both work at a Methodist church, and I've attended services there. It may be different near you, but near me, Episcopal worship services are very similar but not identical to RC Masses. Much of the same language is used in a lot of the prayers. Methodists tend to be less liturgical than Episcopalians, but there is still some liturgy present in the Methodist churches I've been to. Episcopal bishops, priests, and deacons (all can be male or female) wear traditional clerical dress for worship services, while Methodist pastors (can be male or female) often wear a business suit or dress. Some may dress in a business casual style. Episcopalians and Methodists believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the bread and wine (grape juice is usually used in Methodist churches, while wine is used in Episcopal parishes). The bread and wine are called either Communion or the Eucharist in The Episcopal Church (TEC); the latter is another way to refer to a worship service in TEC. Methodists call it Communion or the Lord's Supper. Episcopalians have weekly communion, while Methodists usually have it monthly or quarterly. Neither TEC nor the United Methodist Church (UMC) believe in the RC concept of transubstantiation, preferring to leave how the bread and wine become the body and blood a mystery, yet often believing in the consubstantiation concept, with the bread and wine being present alongside the body and blood. As an aside, you should know that the UMC is currently in the process of splitting up into different denominations, mostly because of the same sex marriage issue. Word is that the UMC will permit same sex marriage while the Global Methodist Church (GMC) will not; this is not final yet, though. A "born again" experience is not emphasized in TEC, but it is not forbidden, either. Not sure about the UMC. Both TEC and the UMC teach that there are 2 sacraments: Baptism and the Eucharist (Lord's Supper). Many former RCs and Anglo Catholic Episcopalians hold the 7 sacraments as taught by the RCC and the Orthodox Church to be valid. Episcopalians do not view the Bible as inerrant (often but not always meaning that everything it says is literally true on everything it speaks about), but they do say that all of the things necessary for salvation can be found within it; in this sense, you might hear some Episcopalians describe only those things necessary for salvation as being infallible ("infallible" and "inerrant" can be viewed by some people as the same, but most Episcopalians don't consider them to be). "Sola scriptura" does not apply in TEC; instead, "prima scriptura" is applied -- the Bible is paramount, but sacred tradition, reason, and for many, experience are also very important. As I understand it, Methodists have varying views on biblical infallibility and biblical inerrancy. "Sola scriptura" seems to be more prevalent in the UMC, but it is by no means universal. The Apocrypha (most of which is also called the Deuterocanonical books by RCs) is not held to be biblical canon and is not used to establish doctrine in TEC, but it's recommended reading for examples of "life and instruction of manners". I think the UMC has a similar view of the Apocrypha, but I'm not sure. Episcopalians view baptism as necessary, but I don't think Methodists do (could be wrong). Both will baptize infants. TEC uses sprinkling or pouring as the baptismal methods, while immersion is rare (but not prohibited to my knowledge). I think immersion is used more widely in the UMC for teenagers and adults, but sprinkling and pouring are also allowed. TEC believes in the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed, and the former is usually recited every Sunday. The Apostles Creed can be recited, but I think this is more common among Anglo Catholic parishes. TEC also believes in the Athanasian Creed to a point, but I've never heard it at a service. I think the UMC believes in the 3 creeds mentioned above, but I don't know if they're recited each week. TEC and the UMC are exploring whether or not to become "in full communion" with each other, but the process is on hold until we see how the Methodist split will look in its final form.
@@moose2021 Well set out! One tiny correction, or rather amendation: 'Episcopal worship services are very similar but not identical to RC Masses. Much of the same language is used in a lot of the prayers' .. Rome's chief liturgy, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, was (deliberately and intentionally) stripped of most of its sacrificial language (in prayer and practice) in the late 1960s. And so it looks a lot more like a Lutheran/ Episcopal Protestant type Communion Service. That is, all are gathered around a table; except that High Lutherans and High Anglicans had tended to retain more of the pre-60s reverence and to ignore the Hippy Hippy Shake/ Peter, Paul and Mary vibe now prevalent in the Roman Rite. N.B. I believe that, officially, in the Roman Rite, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan (Chalcedonian) Creed, with Filioque addition, alone may be recited at Sunday Mass (or rather it should be chanted, e.g. Credo III). The Apostles' Creed is for Baptisms/ Baptismal vows, Catechisms, and personal devotions (i.e. the Rosary etc). The Athanasian Creed* was recited during the Liturgy of the Hours on Sunday and when affirmation of the Holy Trinity was deemed necessary; now it is found only on Trinity Sunday, the Ancient Rite, and during exorcisms (both Old Order and New Order) .. ;o) * 'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.' et al, is most definitely not what most current senior pastors in the Roman Communion want to be heard, said, or repeated .. publicly; oddly enough Evangelical and even Reformed Protestants still seem to understand this as it was intended.
@@OzCrusader Sounds odd to me CL; in the Anglican forms, that is so, but at daily Mass it seems unusual (though sermons are more frequent in the English communion). In the Anglican Ordinariate the Nicene Creed is recited at Mass, yet only when appointed - officially, not ad libitum. For the Roman Rite, the Creed usually isn't recited at ordinary week-day Masses (even in the New Order); yet when sung or recited at Mass, after the Homily, it is the Niceno-Constantinopolitan form (unless, of course, the bishops near you have decided otherwise for themselves - and that is not impossible these days). I am no liturgical expert ... Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless.
That's not true. Much of Methodism is arguably more Catholic than Anglicanism. Anglicanism has a Calvinist soteriology that is more at odds with Catholicism (read the 39 Articles).
Very good presentation! I would not say some things are liberal due to the political connotations. Instead say, non-fundamentalist. Most all Methodists are not fundamentalists with the simple black and white, this way or the highway approach. Much more understanding, reasoning, love, and golden rule with the Methodists.
There's a methodist church round the corner from my house, and there must be about 10 people at most I see going to it and they're all elderly. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it were to close within the near future
My Very Staunch Methodist grandmother, in my presence, told a cousin of mine that she was going to hell because she wore nail polish. That was in 1945! (Thanks for not asking my age!) Oh, by the way, that cousin was a Strong Believer that the Blood of Jesus was the ONLY means of salvation. Only God knew what Gramma believed about Salvation! (Other than nail polish, of course.)
It broke off from the Roman Catholic Church in the 1870's over the then newly-proclaimed doctrine of papal infallibility. While to my mind, that makes it sound like it should be even more traditional than the Roman Church, it has actually been full of homosexuals for a very long time.
I thought Whitfield was a Calvinist. How can he really be a Methodist? Could someone explain this to me? Maybe he associated with the Wesley brothers, but that is about it. Thanks
Whitefield was a Calvinist. He disagreed with the Wesleys, who were Arminians. The first Methodists were actually Calvinists. The bulk of Methodists have been Arminians, however, because of the Wesleys.
@@bobapbob5812 Thanks, Bob, for the info. I have heard of that church and have been to Wales twice. I could never figure it out and actually could not participate as I do not understand Welsh.
I think you still have to hold to the doctrine and matters of faith as stated in the bible as being without error. But otherwise there are some contradictions. Such as 1 Kings 4:26, which states that Solomon had 40,000 horses. But 2 Chronicles 9:25 gives a different number. The exact number has no relevance to me, and i still can hold to what the bible says. But that is an example of what we would call an error.
@@briandiehl9257 thats not an error, thats called scribal correction. Kings and Chronicles have about 200 years between them, and one was written during the Babylon Captivity.
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 That is still an error though, it's called a copyist error. I know actually why that came about, and that is part of the reason I used that as an example. But you do see there are parts of the bible where the numbers don't line up. This demonstrates that God allowed minor inaccuracies to come in, through different textual traditions and such. Like where Jesus either sent 70 or 72 disciples depending on which textual tradition you use. For this reason I think it is viable to say that God preserved the teachings and the stories, but allowed certain details to come into error. I mention this because there are people who don't understand this, and completely lose their faith over something irrelevant like this
@@briandiehl9257 Thats a pretty reasonable ascertation. I suppose its hard to split the difference Literary errors and doctrinal errors, for some at least. The Spirit of Scripture can never be in error, even if the words can have small errors. The world of perspectives that fill the common faith are quite interesting.
Hmm. The Methodist let a man get away with sexual harassment and when I reported him, they took his side. You know he's a good guy. After i complained when my name was being slandered all over the workplace and my reputation ruined, i spoke out again, and i was then fired, as this Methodist church swept things under the rug. This is the Methodist church.
One thing about George Whitefield..he was Methodist but Calvinistic in his beliefs, which is contrary to Methodist teaching nowadays, except for a small group. If I remember right, Whitefield left his congregations under the charge of John and Charles Wesley while he was evangelizing in the USA. The Wesleys proceeded to teach that Calvinism was false, and convinced Whitefield's congregation of this. I view the Wesleys, particularly John Wesley, as a weasel due to this subterfuge. Another issue with John Wesley is that he denied communion to an ex-girlfriend. I get the impression that it was due to bitter grapes related to their breakup. That's not very spiritually mature. I haven't spent a lot of time studying these issues, though. Perhaps there were factors I don't know about. Anyways I don't have a great opinion of John Wesley.
@@JimL2883 My guess is that a lot of United Methodists now reject sola Scriptura because they are "Progressives". There would be some more conservative holdouts. At the time of George Whitefield and the Wesleys, they would have agreed with it. It was only in the early 1900s that "higher criticism" caused some of the liberal churches to reject it.
Yes the one I worked at was accepting of the gay lifestyle and also sexual harassment. When Birmingham would have the gay pride parade they would stand on the corners and hand out bottled water. They loved gays but they are sexist against women.
I worked for them a while, the whole point of methodist is to get people in church and let God do the rest. They now are more driven by money than any point of the Bible, they are more like the moneychangers than anything else in the bible. Btw you left out a branch of methodist in your logos, a mostly black branch the AME methodist. They often promote books by staff rather than the Bible and I heard their ministers tell new members that some books of the Bible are strickly myth and not to believe them. Some of the split up is over lgbtq stuff that is a sin but ignored by leadership.
Amillenial means that we are currently in the millennial rain I believe. Pre-millennial means that Jesus comes back right before the millennial reign. So one is taken as a literal rain on Earth with Jesus and the other is more metaphorical.
@@ramennight yeah, I believe the actual terminology they use is that we're ruling and reigning on the earth spiritually with Jesus. From my understanding they still do believe in a physical return of Jesus to the Earth though. I know that it has something to do with the events that occurred around 70 AD. Some people believe that parts of Revelation was fulfilled at that time. I personally don't believe in this theory at all, but I have looked into it. I can see how some people may think this way, but I personally believe that you have to do some twisting of scripture to hold this view. Some people also believe that the Book of Revelation was actually written after 70 AD. If this is the case it would have been impossible for things to have been fulfilled at that time. I also believe that things in the Physical Realm can also be prophetic in themselves as well. If you look at prophecies that took place in the Bible there was always something physical going on that related to the prophecy as well. I personally don't see why the Book of Revelation would be any different. The book was obviously written around that time period. I personally believe that's why we see so many similarities.
@@triumphk9training687 ......its more than 1000 years past 70AD. Millennial means 1000. Did they just forget to do math? It can't be the millennial rain by their own definitions. And I'm with you one biblical prophecy having IRL impact. I...can't think of any fulfilled prophecy where is *wasnt* IRL impact. To be fair, i'm not an expert on biblical prophecy. Thanks for the deeper dive.
@@ramennight I agree, but you have to realize people do not interpret the Bible as literally as I and you do. It's very popular these days to take numbers in the Bible as being symbolic and not literal. That's why you have people believing in evolution and calling themselves Christians. I do try to study these subjects out though so I can test them against what I personally believe. Sometimes I just get a headache from trying to decipher through all the craziness, lol. When I was working as a delivery driver I had to deal a lot with cash currency. I took a class on how to tell fake money from real money. I was taught to study and become as familiar as I possibly can with the real money. The key is to become so intimate with the real thing that it's easy to spot the fake. I personally believe that the same philosophy applies to this as well. This is why it's important as Christians to read and study our Bibles. I like to take time where I literally do not listen to any outside sources on commentary when it comes to the Bible. I always try to take time where it's just my Bible, God and I and that's it. No outside resources allowed. Only then can I rightly decipher through everyone's opinions on the Bible. The last time I did this I took 3 months where that's literally all I did besides going to work and taking care of things around the house. It can be very difficult to do sometimes. I also spend a lot of time thinking about what I've read. I need to get back into doing more of this personally. It has been a while since I've done this. Lately I've been spending a lot of time on reading about historical documents and archaeology. I am also not an expert on the subjects either. Just a regular person trying to do my best to study these thing out.
The United Methodist Church only dates from 1968. Before that, there was more of a "Methodist movement," which encompassed quite a few denominations, the biggest of which was the Methodist Episcopal Church. The Free Methodists were expelled from the Methodist Episcopal Church in 1860 for being too conservative.
Yep, They were named Methodists for "the methodical way in which they carried out their Christian faith" John Wesley especially was extremely disciplined.
Baptist put great emphasis on salvation and having a personal relationship with Jesus every day of the week and not just on Sunday. Methodist preach grace and downplay the Roman road to salvation. No need to admit you are a sinner in need of a savior.
A good 1.0 on why the Protestants are, and will always be, fractured. i.e. there is nothing to be gained when you stray from the Church that Christ founded.
With a Catholic background where neither the timing nor the details of the Second Coming were given much emphasis, I don't understand why Evangelicals spend so much energy on pre-trib, post-trib, the rapture, etc. etc. and make it a dividing line and an element of identity. I suspect there is something else going on there, that it's symptomatic of another issue, but don't know what it is. PS My unfriendly impression is that since Evangelicalism is so narrow and boring (you could reduce the whole thing to a set of repeating talking points on a single sheet of paper) that end-time speculation adds something interesting and exotic to talk about.
It's because the coming of Christ is what we are hoping for. It is our hope to one day live in a perfect world. It motivates us to do good and push forward when we see the signs.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)
Symptomatic of another issue. Or of many other issues. People actually want to see the world end. But even that is symptomatic of deeply disturbing issues. They would bring about the end of the world themselves if they could. Supported nuclear war, they did.
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." (Hebrews 10:25)
I was brought up as a methodist child, very much against my will from the age of 10... thank goodness I`ve been exposed to science, reason and evidence
1:05 that's wrong. You can fall from grace otherwise I could accept and trust in Jesus Christ. Repent and be baptized in his name and then just go back to sinning purposefully knowing that I'm good and I can't go to hell which I'd false. Look up the parable of the woman and the lanterns with oil. What happened when they didn't have enough oil? You can't even practice that in life with your spouse or any relationship so why do people think they can do that to God?
I nevee read in the bible that i remember of that women should not be pastors thiugh Methodist is losing churchrs in droves by being ok with the far left push of Biden LGBTQ wra.
I dig your no-nonsense news report style of delivery.
I dig that you said dig. 😅
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Don't get smart with me, whippersnapper!
Exactly why I like this channel.
As a Methodist, it is quite sad how correct you are. There is such a massive "big tent" that we basically have clusters or Methodists who can't agree on anything.
It shouldn't be like that. John Wesley was quite clear on how this should be. He wrote a lot and has a commentary on the Bible.
Not much wrong with that, better to have a big tent than 100 different groups
I've forgotten the phrase, but part of what we teach is something like tolerance on nonessential matters. That, for example, would explain why there's no official position on the virgin birth. I consider this a good thing.
Methodist denominations
That is just the work of the spirit that breaks through dogmas because it is vast and ever-growing within hearts and minds that are growing in Christ. It cannot be contained within these little tribal sects. That's why there is so much schism within Protestantism in general. It's actually a good thing.
I was raised as a Methodist now known as United Methodist. I was an ordained minister within the United Methodist Church went to and graduated from the United Methodist Seminary. So far one note of disagreement with you. The the Methodist Church was started because Anglican priests in the United States would not give communion to those people who were methodists. The news came to John Wesley that that was happening and he took things into his own hands and ordained, I believe it was Thomas Coke England Thomas Coke then travel to the United States and called for a conference on Christmas in Baltimore. He laid hands on all of the ministers also called circuit Riders told them to go out to the various places where the Methodist gathered and to start getting them communion. That's the birth of Methodist Church in this country
The difference between a Baptist and a Methodist is that the Methodist will actually talk to you in the liquor store.
I thought that was the difference between a Baptist and a Presbyterian.
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That's a presbyterian that will talk to you bud
The Presbyterian manages the liquor store. The Episcopalian owns it.
I thought that wherever you find four Baptists you'll find a "fifth".
Maybe that's why we don't really get together outside of church.🤔
I live in a heavily Methodist area. When I was young, nobody around here had ever heard of infant baptism. When a Catholic would talk about having their baby baptised, everybody else would go, "Huh? What?" Now the Methodists seem to be 50/50 on infant vs. adult baptisms.
I think it's allowed, but not necessarily taught
Methodism is historically paedobaptist, if people didn't do it then it was because they weren't in line with OG methodism
It's well established in the Methodist congregations around my area.
All the methodists I have known have only done infant baptism for generations, not counting converts. Methodists tend to call it "christening" and its usually done within 6 weeks of birth.
I thought it was essential to Methodist doctrine.
Originally Methodists were a breath of fresh air in the staid churches. Full of life in The Holy Spirit, preaching the Gospel and doing good. In the "west" many have let their zeal die or been watered down. Praying that the zeal will return and they get filled with the Holy Spirit again. Outside the "west" Methodist are doing quite well.
In the USA it’s all rainbow flags and woman pastors now.
@@KandiKloveri hate it. Im a methodist but my church has all the pride flags and a woman pastor. I go for holidays but i just study the bible on sunday because i dont want to be absorbed into that culture
My dad was brought up in the United Brethren, his great grandfather was a lay-pastor, but when it became United Methodist, and the council installed a woman pastor, we went to an independent Baptist Church, Independent Baptist still today.
Hello Joshua! Once again a terrific job my dear brother!
I have always heard that the time when George Whitefield as well as the Wesleys were preaching was the First Great Awakening and the Second Great Awakening started around the turn of the nineteenth century.
Reason, scripture, tradition, and passion are what define the methodist denomination. However, within the denomination are many more denominations. It's kind of confusing. You may have 2 vastly different experiences depending on which methodist church you go to.
I would deeply appreciate it if you would do a segment on the origin, growth, and theology of "Whitfield Methodists." Thanks.
Liturgy is best! Contemporary worship is entertainment not worship!
The first time I heard a singer at my church using prerecorded accompaniment, I said, "This is a church, not a karaoke bar."
Exactly!
Without liturgy, how would they even know what to do in a service? An egomaniac winging it?
That's why liturgy is a prerequisite for me taking it seriously.
Very few Methodists left here as most joined the Uniting Church on its foundation in the late 1970's. In my own suburb of Sydney, the new Uniting Church obtained the former Presbyterian church while the remaining Presbyterians were given the old Methodist building. The old Presbyterian building was a very attractive one, but the old Methodist was as dour as one could be.
I seriously admire your ability to say a lot in a short time -- fast, but entirely lucid and accurate in terms of history and doctrine.
As far as Methodism is concerned, one of the most interesting developments is the tendency for Methodists to gravitate back to their origins, which are in the Church of England. That is certainly the case where I live, In Cornwall in the west of the UK, which was a stronghold of Methodism (perhaps the greatest stronghold in the UK). Here Methodist congregations are closing at an astonishing rate. And yet we are coming together and finding our common identity in Christ. For those who find their identity in the traditions of Methodist or Anglican liturgy -- and there are so many -- I point towards the hope expressed by those who find our common identity in our Lord Jesus.
I grew up African methodist episticol. This all sounds right. (The other main church I went to was Baptist lol)
Why LOL?
All my chickens have turned to ducks 😆
This video was well done--especially the emphasis on the New Birth and Entire Sanctification.
I will say 0:27 UK & UK? I think you meant US, just wanted to point that out. Other than that well done, I like these short explanatory videos :)
Would you be willing to do a video of the differences between AME, AME ZION, and CME?
Very useful video. Short and to the point. Was looking up the history of Goodwill Industries.
I went to a Baptist-aligned high school and noticed that Whitfield was greatly revered. I didn’t know he was connected with Methodism until recently!
When the video was released 11 min ago but you've only watched it 1 1/2 times
Converted a little more than a year ago, and became a Baptist, got baptized, fell out with the church. Now I am a Methodist. Aligns more with Free Methodists, but none around me.
Churches that keep splitting into separate sects are not gathering with Christ the Shepherd, but scatter against him as I see it, since Jesus said we do either/or.
John Wesley would be very disappointed with the recent stance of the Methodist Church re. LBGTQ+.
Do you mean he would be in favor of inclusion if everyone seeking God and disappointed in those who want to exclude LGBT worshipers?
Yes. I think he would include the LBGT…just as Jesus was associated with sinners.
@@danieltang3985Christ included sinners who REPENT, not those who continue to sin. So no, He would have nothing to do with the bltgq+ movement.
@@bobclift101Queer, etc., worshippers are welcome in any UMC or GMC church. PRACTICING homosexuals/bisexuals cannot be ministers or participate in the leadership of the church; same sex weddings will not be performed in the church. This policy changed recently and a number of churches, who remained UMC have gone against the book of discipline. The GMC churches maintain the original doctrine. It has nothing to do with keeping your community OUT. It has everything to do with refusing to accept the behavior.
It should be made clearer that it is the United Methodists that have the pro LGBT stuff going on. Many of the United Methodist Churches actually disaffiliated and became their own entity or joined another group, like the Global Methodist Church or others. The united Methodist’s churches stance on lgbt does not represent the stance of Methodist churches in general.
Image converting tons of people in a huge inspirational way and when you tell them what time church starts they say "nah" and go to the Baptist church up the road.
Not all Methodist churches are either/or liturgical or contemporary. Some have both types of service every Sunday. Mine has two of each and is very faithful to the liturgical calendar.
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Like the format for studying different churches
In Brazil, we have some worship styles.
Specially in Rio de Janeiro the pentecostal influence is visible.
In Sao Paulo some people knows the name "Metodista" because the education institutes are more relevants than the church
We're a conciliar and episcopal church.
But in some cities, the methodism is looked as a 'rich-people church'.
So then, what are the key ecclesial and theological distinctives of Methodist vs Episcopal? (Besides a different hierarchical strain)
is it the number of Sacraments?
Is it that Methodists emphasize the conversion experience more?
I would say the conversion experience is the key difference.
Good questions. The answer to most would be No (not quite, in some ways, maybe). 1) Hierarchy in church governance (Episcopalianism), there is no basic difference theoretically only in practice, it exists but it is toned down; the major difference arises in the supreme governing authority of the English Monarch in church affairs (mostly via the parliamentary selected government). 2) The number of sacraments, again no, there are two only .. with at times some ordinances (at times treated as equivalent to 'sacraments' by Anglicans; the major difference resting what is meant by a 'sacrament' e.g. church approved ritual acts made holy by Christ's command - the Catholic understanding being precluded, i.e. the mystery of a divine pledge by the Word to act according to His word, in Scripture or Tradition = made holy in a specific rite). 3) Conversion, as an unique emotional experience (rather than a rite of conviction, contrition, and confession, i.e. absolution, penance and amendment) is elevated to a higher, almost sacramental* extent, than is seen in among most Anglicans, but no; this emotion is welcomed, I suspect, rather than expected.
;o)
* A sacramental, a particular channel of divine favour, aka grace, akin to though distinct from a 'Sacrament'.
I'm no theologian, but I know a little about this. The "meat" of the theological and ecclesial differences I'm aware of begins in the 6th paragraph.
I'm a former Roman Catholic (RC) who is now an Episcopalian for all intents and purposes (making it official is just a matter of time). My mom and sister both work at a Methodist church, and I've attended services there.
It may be different near you, but near me, Episcopal worship services are very similar but not identical to RC Masses. Much of the same language is used in a lot of the prayers.
Methodists tend to be less liturgical than Episcopalians, but there is still some liturgy present in the Methodist churches I've been to.
Episcopal bishops, priests, and deacons (all can be male or female) wear traditional clerical dress for worship services, while Methodist pastors (can be male or female) often wear a business suit or dress. Some may dress in a business casual style.
Episcopalians and Methodists believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the bread and wine (grape juice is usually used in Methodist churches, while wine is used in Episcopal parishes).
The bread and wine are called either Communion or the Eucharist in The Episcopal Church (TEC); the latter is another way to refer to a worship service in TEC. Methodists call it Communion or the Lord's Supper.
Episcopalians have weekly communion, while Methodists usually have it monthly or quarterly.
Neither TEC nor the United Methodist Church (UMC) believe in the RC concept of transubstantiation, preferring to leave how the bread and wine become the body and blood a mystery, yet often believing in the consubstantiation concept, with the bread and wine being present alongside the body and blood.
As an aside, you should know that the UMC is currently in the process of splitting up into different denominations, mostly because of the same sex marriage issue. Word is that the UMC will permit same sex marriage while the Global Methodist Church (GMC) will not; this is not final yet, though.
A "born again" experience is not emphasized in TEC, but it is not forbidden, either. Not sure about the UMC.
Both TEC and the UMC teach that there are 2 sacraments: Baptism and the Eucharist (Lord's Supper). Many former RCs and Anglo Catholic Episcopalians hold the 7 sacraments as taught by the RCC and the Orthodox Church to be valid.
Episcopalians do not view the Bible as inerrant (often but not always meaning that everything it says is literally true on everything it speaks about), but they do say that all of the things necessary for salvation can be found within it; in this sense, you might hear some Episcopalians describe only those things necessary for salvation as being infallible ("infallible" and "inerrant" can be viewed by some people as the same, but most Episcopalians don't consider them to be). "Sola scriptura" does not apply in TEC; instead, "prima scriptura" is applied -- the Bible is paramount, but sacred tradition, reason, and for many, experience are also very important.
As I understand it, Methodists have varying views on biblical infallibility and biblical inerrancy. "Sola scriptura" seems to be more prevalent in the UMC, but it is by no means universal.
The Apocrypha (most of which is also called the Deuterocanonical books by RCs) is not held to be biblical canon and is not used to establish doctrine in TEC, but it's recommended reading for examples of "life and instruction of manners".
I think the UMC has a similar view of the Apocrypha, but I'm not sure.
Episcopalians view baptism as necessary, but I don't think Methodists do (could be wrong). Both will baptize infants.
TEC uses sprinkling or pouring as the baptismal methods, while immersion is rare (but not prohibited to my knowledge). I think immersion is used more widely in the UMC for teenagers and adults, but sprinkling and pouring are also allowed.
TEC believes in the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed, and the former is usually recited every Sunday. The Apostles Creed can be recited, but I think this is more common among Anglo Catholic parishes. TEC also believes in the Athanasian Creed to a point, but I've never heard it at a service.
I think the UMC believes in the 3 creeds mentioned above, but I don't know if they're recited each week.
TEC and the UMC are exploring whether or not to become "in full communion" with each other, but the process is on hold until we see how the Methodist split will look in its final form.
@@moose2021 Well set out! One tiny correction, or rather amendation: 'Episcopal worship services are very similar but not identical to RC Masses. Much of the same language is used in a lot of the prayers' ..
Rome's chief liturgy, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, was (deliberately and intentionally) stripped of most of its sacrificial language (in prayer and practice) in the late 1960s. And so it looks a lot more like a Lutheran/ Episcopal Protestant type Communion Service. That is, all are gathered around a table; except that High Lutherans and High Anglicans had tended to retain more of the pre-60s reverence and to ignore the Hippy Hippy Shake/ Peter, Paul and Mary vibe now prevalent in the Roman Rite.
N.B. I believe that, officially, in the Roman Rite, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan (Chalcedonian) Creed, with Filioque addition, alone may be recited at Sunday Mass (or rather it should be chanted, e.g. Credo III). The Apostles' Creed is for Baptisms/ Baptismal vows, Catechisms, and personal devotions (i.e. the Rosary etc). The Athanasian Creed* was recited during the Liturgy of the Hours on Sunday and when affirmation of the Holy Trinity was deemed necessary; now it is found only on Trinity Sunday, the Ancient Rite, and during exorcisms (both Old Order and New Order) ..
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* 'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.' et al, is most definitely not what most current senior pastors in the Roman Communion want to be heard, said, or repeated .. publicly; oddly enough Evangelical and even Reformed Protestants still seem to understand this as it was intended.
@@OzCrusader Sounds odd to me CL; in the Anglican forms, that is so, but at daily Mass it seems unusual (though sermons are more frequent in the English communion). In the Anglican Ordinariate the Nicene Creed is recited at Mass, yet only when appointed - officially, not ad libitum. For the Roman Rite, the Creed usually isn't recited at ordinary week-day Masses (even in the New Order); yet when sung or recited at Mass, after the Homily, it is the Niceno-Constantinopolitan form (unless, of course, the bishops near you have decided otherwise for themselves - and that is not impossible these days).
I am no liturgical expert ...
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You should do a video about the religions of the US presidents
@ReadyToHarvest can you do a video on which denominations use wine in their communion service?
John Wesley wanted to purify the Church of England from catholic theology like John Smyth, Puritans. Methodists that I know of anything goes.
That's not true. Much of Methodism is arguably more Catholic than Anglicanism. Anglicanism has a Calvinist soteriology that is more at odds with Catholicism (read the 39 Articles).
Very good presentation! I would not say some things are liberal due to the political connotations. Instead say, non-fundamentalist. Most all Methodists are not fundamentalists with the simple black and white, this way or the highway approach. Much more understanding, reasoning, love, and golden rule with the Methodists.
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and thats why methodist churches are closing at an alarming rate today in the uk.
There's a methodist church round the corner from my house, and there must be about 10 people at most I see going to it and they're all elderly. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it were to close within the near future
My Very Staunch Methodist grandmother, in my presence, told a cousin of mine that she was going to hell because she wore nail polish. That was in 1945! (Thanks for not asking my age!) Oh, by the way, that cousin was a Strong Believer that the Blood of Jesus was the ONLY means of salvation.
Only God knew what Gramma believed about Salvation! (Other than nail polish, of course.)
Was it red nail polish 🤔 That would make it ok I reckon
Yes, I remember that sort of attitude even in 1975.
But it was fine for the men to look good and wear a tie or even wear a hat. Oh, the good ole' days!
What is the Old Catholic Church (Union of Utrecht)?
It broke off from the Roman Catholic Church in the 1870's over the then newly-proclaimed doctrine of papal infallibility. While to my mind, that makes it sound like it should be even more traditional than the Roman Church, it has actually been full of homosexuals for a very long time.
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Some Methodists of today like Diana Eck have little in common with the brothers Wesley.
I would say most Methodists today have little in common with the Wesleys.
The wide range of differences makes it nearly impossible to show Methodists where they're wrong.
I love being Methodist!
all I know is methodists got the pumpkin patches
I thought Whitfield was a Calvinist. How can he really be a Methodist? Could someone explain this to me? Maybe he associated with the Wesley brothers, but that is about it. Thanks
Whitefield was a Calvinist. He disagreed with the Wesleys, who were Arminians. The first Methodists were actually Calvinists. The bulk of Methodists have been Arminians, however, because of the Wesleys.
In wales they have the Calvinist/Methodist church. The American South also has the Southern Methodist church a split caused by slavery.
@@bobapbob5812 Thanks, Bob, for the info. I have heard of that church and have been to Wales twice. I could never figure it out and actually could not participate as I do not understand Welsh.
can you do a video on global methodists?
How can you call yourself Christian and not believe scripture is without error?
How's about when one piece of scripture contradicts another?
I think you still have to hold to the doctrine and matters of faith as stated in the bible as being without error. But otherwise there are some contradictions. Such as 1 Kings 4:26, which states that Solomon had 40,000 horses. But 2 Chronicles 9:25 gives a different number. The exact number has no relevance to me, and i still can hold to what the bible says. But that is an example of what we would call an error.
@@briandiehl9257 thats not an error, thats called scribal correction.
Kings and Chronicles have about 200 years between them, and one was written during the Babylon Captivity.
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 That is still an error though, it's called a copyist error. I know actually why that came about, and that is part of the reason I used that as an example. But you do see there are parts of the bible where the numbers don't line up. This demonstrates that God allowed minor inaccuracies to come in, through different textual traditions and such. Like where Jesus either sent 70 or 72 disciples depending on which textual tradition you use.
For this reason I think it is viable to say that God preserved the teachings and the stories, but allowed certain details to come into error. I mention this because there are people who don't understand this, and completely lose their faith over something irrelevant like this
@@briandiehl9257 Thats a pretty reasonable ascertation. I suppose its hard to split the difference Literary errors and doctrinal errors, for some at least. The Spirit of Scripture can never be in error, even if the words can have small errors.
The world of perspectives that fill the common faith are quite interesting.
I'm too transcendent to get my hands dirty.
I’ve heard it said that a Methodist is just a Baptist who can read.😂
The Wesley’s wouldn’t recognize the Methodist movement that they started in the group which bears that name today. It would gall them.
Hmm. The Methodist let a man get away with sexual harassment and when I reported him, they took his side. You know he's a good guy. After i complained when my name was being slandered all over the workplace and my reputation ruined, i spoke out again, and i was then fired, as this Methodist church swept things under the rug. This is the Methodist church.
So, basicly just atheists that meet up for church on sundays.
2:20 "one of the well known Methodists is"
Hank Hill.
How does a Methodist differ from a Quaker?
One thing about George Whitefield..he was Methodist but Calvinistic in his beliefs, which is contrary to Methodist teaching nowadays, except for a small group.
If I remember right, Whitefield left his congregations under the charge of John and Charles Wesley while he was evangelizing in the USA. The Wesleys proceeded to teach that Calvinism was false, and convinced Whitefield's congregation of this. I view the Wesleys, particularly John Wesley, as a weasel due to this subterfuge.
Another issue with John Wesley is that he denied communion to an ex-girlfriend. I get the impression that it was due to bitter grapes related to their breakup. That's not very spiritually mature.
I haven't spent a lot of time studying these issues, though. Perhaps there were factors I don't know about. Anyways I don't have a great opinion of John Wesley.
What are Methodists view of Sola Scriptura?
@@JimL2883 My guess is that a lot of United Methodists now reject sola Scriptura because they are "Progressives". There would be some more conservative holdouts. At the time of George Whitefield and the Wesleys, they would have agreed with it.
It was only in the early 1900s that "higher criticism" caused some of the liberal churches to reject it.
My childhood church (UMC) is now a gay/trand church. They serve BUD Light (TRANS BEER) in fellowship hall.
Where are they? I might want to check out a church that isn't full of bigotry, toxicity, and self-righteousness
Every church has those things. People go there!@@JS-L90
Yes the one I worked at was accepting of the gay lifestyle and also sexual harassment. When Birmingham would have the gay pride parade they would stand on the corners and hand out bottled water. They loved gays but they are sexist against women.
I worked for them a while, the whole point of methodist is to get people in church and let God do the rest. They now are more driven by money than any point of the Bible, they are more like the moneychangers than anything else in the bible. Btw you left out a branch of methodist in your logos, a mostly black branch the AME methodist. They often promote books by staff rather than the Bible and I heard their ministers tell new members that some books of the Bible are strickly myth and not to believe them. Some of the split up is over lgbtq stuff that is a sin but ignored by leadership.
Your link to to a video about Baptists links to the Schwaznu brethren video, is that right?
thanks, fixed
I can explain it in one word and one second "HERESY"
John Wesley should have look into Orthodoxy more, spare us from the mess that the western rite is going though
Whats amillenial vs premillennial?
Amillenial means that we are currently in the millennial rain I believe. Pre-millennial means that Jesus comes back right before the millennial reign. So one is taken as a literal rain on Earth with Jesus and the other is more metaphorical.
@@triumphk9training687 Ty. I am baffled Amillenial is even a thing if that's right.
@@ramennight yeah, I believe the actual terminology they use is that we're ruling and reigning on the earth spiritually with Jesus. From my understanding they still do believe in a physical return of Jesus to the Earth though. I know that it has something to do with the events that occurred around 70 AD. Some people believe that parts of Revelation was fulfilled at that time. I personally don't believe in this theory at all, but I have looked into it. I can see how some people may think this way, but I personally believe that you have to do some twisting of scripture to hold this view. Some people also believe that the Book of Revelation was actually written after 70 AD. If this is the case it would have been impossible for things to have been fulfilled at that time. I also believe that things in the Physical Realm can also be prophetic in themselves as well. If you look at prophecies that took place in the Bible there was always something physical going on that related to the prophecy as well. I personally don't see why the Book of Revelation would be any different. The book was obviously written around that time period. I personally believe that's why we see so many similarities.
@@triumphk9training687 ......its more than 1000 years past 70AD. Millennial means 1000. Did they just forget to do math? It can't be the millennial rain by their own definitions.
And I'm with you one biblical prophecy having IRL impact. I...can't think of any fulfilled prophecy where is *wasnt* IRL impact. To be fair, i'm not an expert on biblical prophecy.
Thanks for the deeper dive.
@@ramennight I agree, but you have to realize people do not interpret the Bible as literally as I and you do. It's very popular these days to take numbers in the Bible as being symbolic and not literal. That's why you have people believing in evolution and calling themselves Christians. I do try to study these subjects out though so I can test them against what I personally believe. Sometimes I just get a headache from trying to decipher through all the craziness, lol. When I was working as a delivery driver I had to deal a lot with cash currency. I took a class on how to tell fake money from real money. I was taught to study and become as familiar as I possibly can with the real money. The key is to become so intimate with the real thing that it's easy to spot the fake. I personally believe that the same philosophy applies to this as well. This is why it's important as Christians to read and study our Bibles. I like to take time where I literally do not listen to any outside sources on commentary when it comes to the Bible. I always try to take time where it's just my Bible, God and I and that's it. No outside resources allowed. Only then can I rightly decipher through everyone's opinions on the Bible. The last time I did this I took 3 months where that's literally all I did besides going to work and taking care of things around the house. It can be very difficult to do sometimes. I also spend a lot of time thinking about what I've read. I need to get back into doing more of this personally. It has been a while since I've done this. Lately I've been spending a lot of time on reading about historical documents and archaeology. I am also not an expert on the subjects either. Just a regular person trying to do my best to study these thing out.
What about Free Methodists? Ta
The United Methodist Church only dates from 1968. Before that, there was more of a "Methodist movement," which encompassed quite a few denominations, the biggest of which was the Methodist Episcopal Church. The Free Methodists were expelled from the Methodist Episcopal Church in 1860 for being too conservative.
Those in the Free Methodist Church separated from the Methodist Episcopal Church because they held that slavery was immoral.
So where is the term 'methodist' derived from? Is it referring to a certain method of believe?
I think a method of bible study and prayer practiced by the Wesley brothers when they were in college.
Yep, They were named Methodists for "the methodical way in which they carried out their Christian faith" John Wesley especially was extremely disciplined.
Baptist put great emphasis on salvation and having a personal relationship with Jesus every day of the week and not just on Sunday. Methodist preach grace and downplay the Roman road to salvation. No need to admit you are a sinner in need of a savior.
Unfortunately, much of the Methodist church in America have gone apostate.
The rest are still hanging on but by a thread.
You might want to update, they are spliting over same sex marriage, with many churchs leaving!?
I thought it was the rejection of calvinism
For the love of god, stop the Humana medicare commercials.
40 million? That’s how many people believe in heresy
I hate to say I've never met a Methodist that was a theologically sound Christian.
On paper Methodists sound GREAT
A good 1.0 on why the Protestants are, and will always be, fractured.
i.e. there is nothing to be gained when you stray from the Church that Christ founded.
All of these words, I don’t even know what it means. Like you’re speaking a different language for advanced believers. Oh well
Gotta update this now.. haha 2024 was a rough year for them
With a Catholic background where neither the timing nor the details of the Second Coming were given much emphasis, I don't understand why Evangelicals spend so much energy on pre-trib, post-trib, the rapture, etc. etc. and make it a dividing line and an element of identity. I suspect there is something else going on there, that it's symptomatic of another issue, but don't know what it is. PS My unfriendly impression is that since Evangelicalism is so narrow and boring (you could reduce the whole thing to a set of repeating talking points on a single sheet of paper) that end-time speculation adds something interesting and exotic to talk about.
It's because the coming of Christ is what we are hoping for. It is our hope to one day live in a perfect world. It motivates us to do good and push forward when we see the signs.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)
Symptomatic of another issue. Or of many other issues. People actually want to see the world end. But even that is symptomatic of deeply disturbing issues. They would bring about the end of the world themselves if they could. Supported nuclear war, they did.
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." (Hebrews 10:25)
@@bigscarysteve "the day" has been approaching SOON....for 2000 years.
Errr Sarah Crosby?
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I would have thought Methodist were Postmillennial.
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I had no clue what this was christianity is confusing
I was brought up as a methodist child, very much against my will from the age of 10... thank goodness I`ve been exposed to science, reason and evidence
Science, reason and evidence compared to creationism are not contrary to one another.
@@pettytoni1955 Science depends on evidence. Creationism depends on belief. The two are mutually exclusive.
In the UK. Not for me then.
I have seen more more love in Pagan groups. When my church split, I split from them. Bunch of sneaking haters...
Catholic light
Huh
1:05 that's wrong. You can fall from grace otherwise I could accept and trust in Jesus Christ. Repent and be baptized in his name and then just go back to sinning purposefully knowing that I'm good and I can't go to hell which I'd false. Look up the parable of the woman and the lanterns with oil. What happened when they didn't have enough oil? You can't even practice that in life with your spouse or any relationship so why do people think they can do that to God?
Husband & Wife
I don't have to say anything else.
Yeh.
Have you ever considered studying the Bible?
Edit: Btw look into the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches (CREC) denomination.
@@OzCrusader or he upgrades from Baptist to confessional Lutheran. Always welcoming motivated people
The creator is a professor at a Baptist Bible college, I do believe.
His descendants
If it's not wise don't do it. Good religion.
Quack, quack 😊
Arminian theology. Enough said!
Efficient
I nevee read in the bible that i remember of that women should not be pastors thiugh Methodist is losing churchrs in droves by being ok with the far left push of Biden LGBTQ wra.
The “UMC” is not Christian. Follow the teaching of Jesus Christ or risk going to Hell.