“Don’t paint it!” …(we painted it)
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
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We recently finished up applying primer to the airframe of the DarkAero 1. We had the airplane disassembled for that project but now we are in the process of putting everything back together.
We thought it would be a good time to pause and show you the results of the paint work since the airplane obviously looks pretty different compared to its original naked carbon look. We also wanted to discuss some more of the details and lessons learned from painting and talk through what is next before we fly the airplane.
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You guys' professionalism shows through in spades. Can't wait to see it fly. :-)
Can't wait to accept a shipment full of beautiful carbon parts I can arrange in my workspace and make airplane noises with.
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This is coming along so well.
The white really looks great too - I'd leave it. At least in places the Caribbean you really end up going light colors everywhere, interior spaces of dark objects (ie, black plastic barrels etc) can become incredibly hot. To the degree you probably have some heat envelope sensitivity light paint is an incredibly easy solution.
I agree, it looks like apple made a plane 😍
The attention to details is just mind blowing. I think you have a unique combination of forward thinking innovation, communication and simplicity that will stand out in the future. I can't wait to see the first flight and the actual flight performances !
Can't wait to see this fly and hear about your testing process. Good luck in the final stages!
This story warms the heart, and the result is progressively more and more amazing. You guys are awesome. Thanks for sharing!
Please don't go with the tired stripes at different angles theme that you see on every airplane and RV on the planet. This deserves better, graphic, instantly recognizable as DA.
This is my dream plane. I need a plane to get my wife and myself from California to Iowa, preferably non-stop. I figure this would be roughly 5 hours faster door-to door than the airlines....to go half way across the continent.
So the "Aero" is not that "Dark". Isn't it? 😁I'll see myself out...
Fascinating series. Looking forward to flight videos and data.
Good choice on deferring paint. I flew my Velocity in primer for about 2 years before painting. And I'm glad I did. Made a few fixes and changes that I probably wouldn't have done if it was in paint.
Honestly I think exposed carbon is overdone these days especially in cars. I’m a fan of a nice paint scheme with a little carbon accenting. Enjoying your vids for the work and process going into this. I have a dream to make a carbon tub sports car but I don’t think I’ll pursue it.
Yes I fix broken carbon fibre bicycles and the carbon fibre look is overrated. My art teacher always said black is not a colour but the absence of light. Bring the colour on and let the light shine.
I build a few acoustic guitars with carbon fiber, and appreciate the *light effect* that displays the deep, wet-look of the weave, yet I prefer a
a little bit of logo/graphics/color accents to make the visual appearance really POP!
The sound is the _real signature_, though..
Love the Craftsmanship, can’t wait to see her fly. BTW does the new up coming rules for experimental amateur built have any impact on your business model? Hopefully positively?
Getting close! And it looks amazing. I’m super excited for y’all!!!
How did you size the NACA vents? Is there good software to model flow for them? Also what kind of paint did you choose, I heard the brand but not the type.
You guys must be very proud, that is an amazing accomplishment! Looking gorgeous, great work on fairing and priming. You guys keep making intelligent choices.
So what you're saying is that you are 90% finished with just 90% left to go?
You should upload way more videos
im also hungry for this kinda stuff, i bet these guys are really busy behind the scenes
If this has solid crosswind tolerance it will be the perfect cross country machine for someone like me that is a pilot and business owner with satellite offices spread across the country. We aren't big enough yet to justify a company plane, but it will pay for itself by saving me time for our current mission. Super excited to see the flight testing. I'd really love to build this as well. I'm a sucker for a well engineered design, and having followed this project I can say you guys have done a stellar job.
A lancair 320 would be perfect for you now, if you enjoy working on the airplane as well, but I can 100% see the practical aspects of an airplane like this. I cant wait to see it fly
This will handle crosswinds just fine.
There is an exponential function of the earths boundary layer, it rapidly becomes nearly zero wind at the surface. The smaller and lower the airplane the less crosswind effects it during rotation and in the flare.
It also will land rather fast for most General Aviation type aircraft. Due to wing loading, small wing, short wing chord, low Reynolds Number. Wing loading is your friend in gusting conditions because its less effected by bumps. Speed is your friend in a crosswind because of trigonometry. The faster you go, the lower the crosswind component for any given crosswinds strength and direction.
@@abel4776 I own a specialized service company that contracts with municipalities across the country. There aren't direct flights to my client cities from where I'm located, so it's always a long endeavor to get there.
@@abel4776 you'd think so...honestly, at a certain point, it becomes quite routine - especially if YOU'RE the pilot.
@@TheJustinJ Hey don't talk about stuff you clearly don't know anything about. Other aircraft with similar design characteristics have demonstrated crosswind limits of 12-20kts. It's not "12 knots except if you're going fast", it's 12 knots. A high speed landing with high crosswind is a recipe for disaster.
Love all the updates, and as a fellow wisconsinite im proud of you guys! Keep it up :D
Also are there plans for a 4 seater plane after dark aero hits mass production?
Hi OzanKalan! Thank you for following along! A 4-seater would be a logical next step for us once production gets stable with the DarkAero 1, but we are focused on one airplane at a time for now. ;)
@@DarkAeroInc Do you think y'all would ever make a tandem version of the 2 seater also?
@@DarkAeroInc just build a notebook with ideas for the next version while you focus on the current one.
On my 82” TV (via cast from iPhone), this ‘paint’ looks like satin white. And it looks way cool to me.
A video about watching paint dry. Yay...
lol
You should just wrap the prototype IMO.
What a beautiful machine! I assume 'production' will be for EAB kits? Curious how something as involved as a carbon fiber composite monocoque airframe and the 51% rule go together.
From my understanding, it's 51% of tasks must be completed. And there of course is a limit to this, you wouldn't consider mining or smelting the aluminum used in a sheet as a task.
I wouldn't be too worried, there is still plenty of work needed on the builder's end.
Do you guys have any plans of going public? I’d buy the crap out of your stock.
How much does UV bounce off pavement? I once heard that UV protection only on top wasn't enough.
Do you think the seam on the fuselage will end up cracking the paint later on after flying for a bit? I guess we will find out? Just curious if you have considered that possibility.
If they do get a paint crack on any glued CF seam they will have a much more serious problem with the carbon fibre.
Hey Riley! We don’t anticipate seeing cracks along fuselage joints because the primer is pretty flexible. The PPG rep at AirVenture showed us a demo using an inflated balloon coated with their material that could be squeezed and flexed without any cracking issues. That said, we will see if flying the airplane reveals anything.
My favorite notification..... a new video from Dark Aero
Sanno!!! Gorgeous airplane, great lines, superfit construction.
Super smart not going with clear. It’s a gigantic pain. I have a WRC wing that’s just getting painted next time so it doesn’t need to be redone every 5 years.
Looking awesome, love the paint scheme. Can’t wait to see it fly.
One of the best carbon fiber looks I’ve seen is in the canoes manufactured by Placid Boatworks. They will gel coat parts that will be prone to scrapes and scratches, but the rest is bare carbon fiber BUT with a tinted resin so you get that gorgeous texture but with a brilliant red or green color. Some mix of white gelcoat with exposed tinted CF could look amazing on a plane.
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Please consider wrapping, is my unsolicited advice... Great update - In my humble opinion white is the best color for protecting an aircraft or boat from UV ray degradation and reducing radiant heat absorption. I'm thinking one of the best paint schemes could be achieved by wrapping. Gelcoat and clearcoats are tricky to keep from crazing and cracking over time. With new boat manufacturing wraps add a level of protection and are cost effective to repair. Adding cobalt is the activator for making gelcoat hard for all colors including clear. However, over time with production too much cobalt makes the epoxy too brittle and different pigments require different amounts for longevity. Metal fleck requires hard clear gelcoat however I've not seen many aircraft with metal fleck finishes. You can eliminate all that by wrapping with any color scheme you want. I've been using wraps on my personal stuff for years and when I'm wanting to make changes, I simply peel the old wrap off, clean and rewrap. It's amazing how well wraps protect the underlying paint. I use liquid wax formulas I blend on the wraps to add, longevity, depth and slickness. Polymer wax technology is a viable alternative for aerospace coatings. I love spending time on your channel and the stellar creation of DarkAero 1. You guys are leading edge with efficient aviation. Thank you for sharing, guys.
Will Hibbard II, I agree completely.
After 32 years in aerospace composites (Sikorsky Blackhawk; Airbus A340,A380;F22; to name a few)best techniques, your young team exhibit all the best engineering I've ever seen. I wish I were nearby enough to be a hands-on craftsman on this project.
Real life issues just wouldn't allow that for me. Thanks for your videos, I've followed your entire build, and it's been amazing, entirely.
Best of success, congratulations, you're practically there.
I totally concur with the *wrap* idea suggested by Will Hubbard.
Agreed! Slightly more weight but better cleaner easier outcome.
Mike Fitzgerald Calgary Canada 🇨🇦
They make a clearcoat for water towers... check that stuff out.
Well, guess you gotta change the name to BrightAero now.
Looking good guys! keep up the good work, I can't wait to see them fly!
That finished paint render is very sexy!
You didn't ask me - but IMO I'd paint that ship the brightest color I could stand. It's a prototype - I'd want it so da** bright I could see any crack, flaw, anything from five feet away 🙂 I'd also suggest a dark aircraft that size is going to be very hard to spot in perfect VFR conditions, let alone anything less than perfect. As an outside observer, it's been great watching you guys pull this all together. Stay safe, always check for FOD and all the best!
Highlighter yellow or green?😂 construction 🦺 Jersey orange? 😂. I agree it’s already super hard spotting traffic while flying. A super small and super fast plane would be very hard to see.
Take my money already...and I wanna turbo!
Beautiful bird!!! can't wait to see test flights! On the clear coat, have you tested "Glasurit - Carbon Fiber system", then finished with ceramic coat. - not sure if it is aerospace certified, but the stuff is fantastic.
Amazing build. Love the final paint scheme. It's perfect.
Honestly looks amazing just in light grey as it is!
Thanks Elwin! The new look is growing on us as well.
High quality content as always
It’s a beauty! I wish you great success with this project.
Please paint livery like F1 cars
Nice!
WE LOVE THE PASSION! One day I will own and fly a DarkAero1
Absolutely gorgeous guys!!! Cannot wait for its first flight!
I believe I'm not the only one that would gladly watch over the entire design and assembling series if you bother to record it, I'd love to have a closer look on how you guys put it all together and how you dealt with the issues and testing
Dear Brothers. Thanks for the info and Peace Be With You with Three
Top work guys, you’ve created something amazing.
Really impressive seeing just two guys lift and rotate the airframe like it was a sofa.
Guys painting the Aircraft is the right ✅️ thing 2 do . Perhaps leaving some areas underneath the Dark Aerio in Carbon would be a nice touch where the 🌞 ☀️ 🌤 doesn't get 2 it .
Maybe a Competition 4 color scheme ?
Love the Bubble Cockpit . Xcellent
Soooooooooooooo dope.. Thought i was gonna miss the bare carbon, but it looks sick...
So many companies fail when they start out under-capitalized, under-brained, and under-skilled. Happy to see this is not the case with DarkAero.
Also, as a Boeing AOG mechanic, who does a lot of 787 repairs and mods, we both know the UV exposure to the carbon is detrimental. Keep it up.
Love it! Would love to see a model available for MSFS
Now make the kit $50k Australian and Ill buy one.
That's the real sad thing is Ill never be able to afford whatever this ends up costing.
This is the third time I've seen people use an entire role of tape on a canopy....where is this coming from? Never in all my years of aircraft painting was tape my only masking material. I'll suggest the same thing I have to other people with a tape fetish....Roland (just one company) offers an adhesive backed masking paper, if adhesive masking is your thing. Another option is paper and a little bit of tape. If I ever painted a canopy like that in the air force I woulda been busted for fraud, waste and abuse.
Painting is only additional weight. Why there is that ughly step between wing trailing edge and transition between fuselage and wing? It looks bad.
Whit the cad you use. They have a dedicated composite suite? For design, the parts layer by layer. If not, how do you make the layup drawings?
I wanted to make a joke about the DarkAero becoming the LightArrow...
but then you threw on a couple gallons of paint lol
jokes aside; keep it up
i follow you a while now and maybe i missed something. you put so much efford and engineering in building this
awesome and wonderful plane. i hope you are ready for a little constructive criticism.
i miss one important thing. we live in 2023 and i didn't see any attempts to integrate a rescue system.
opinions certainly differ and this is a prototype but are you able to open the canopy at 50 kts (or above) to take
your second chance with a parachute? when you take a look left and right you will see a shark or vl3
or something else in this price range with a rescue system. (never forget - fools bite airplanes and airplanes
bite fools) i personally don't like the old fashioned idea of "when the plane is done, you're done" i mean
i wouldn't buy a porsche or lamborhini without airbags and seatbelts... in this times selling an airplane
means selling the customer not only performance and engineering, redundant systems and "safety" is a major part.
i hope i don't get roasted for this comment, i'm looking forward to see this awesome plane in the air...
Great set of videos that your are doing - really like them.
However, one question: - why didn't you mount the fuselage on a rotisserie as they do in the motor vehicle rebuilds?
It would have made things a bit easier for access.
People really need to get over painting carbon fiber... it's been around forever and isn't particularly nice to look at. It was a weird thing to make a status symbol to begin with despite its relatively high cost. It was obvious from the beginning that you'd paint it, and why.
beautiful. keep up the work. focus on making a quality product and a way to make them cheaply and profitably. I will make an offer on your business soon. make sure to make it owner independently operated when the revenue gets big enough.
What if you guys do something like airbus?
Where people can submit paint liveries..?
Still don't understand why side by side design was the choice if top speed was your goal. Frontal area is huge for aerodynamics. Idk planes, but land speed cars go for the smallest frontal area possible.
I'd be curious about a fake carbon wrap in small detail areas. Just for the fun of explaining that it was, in fact a carbon fiber airframe. Despite the carbon "stickers"..
Love the concept and your engineering excellence.
Just a minor thought. I don’t see protection of the rudders in the event of a tail strike during take off or in the shop. Shaping the bottom of the rudders or a skid would do the job.
Again congratulations on a magnificent achievement. Eager to see it fly but respect your patience in ensuring that first all is right.
Beautiful work!
How many hours expected to build one?
Can I make a private comment on the new building environment (shop) you will need for all the new planes you will need to build due to your absolute excellence!!?
Why paint before test flying?
Testing will no doubt reveal the need for minor mods that usually result in damage to the paintwork.
This bird is going to look like a hypersonic dove flying through the Wisconsin skies. Going to make all the swans jealous.
You guys needed a venture capital outfit six months ago. You should be done with testing and already tooling molds and packing a warehouse with parts to sell with kit parts.
Curious why you went with the squared-off wingtips. Was this decision discussed in a previous video? I'd be interested to hear the reasoning.
You mention testing, here's a good quote from Wernher von Braun: “One good test is worth a thousand expert opinions.”
No debate on the paint scheme. The one shown is money 💸. Lock it in, that’s winner. Beautiful!
That would be awesome if one of your chase planes is a Cozy. 🙂
GM spent a zillion dollars on R&D for clear coat on CF Corvette roof panels. Use it and save yourselves brain cells.
Incredible work. I’m speechless
Omg this has to be the slowest airplane build ever ….really this this will never fly or be produced
Love this channel, great content. Love the physics/maths explanations.
😢. It’s called “DARK” aero though 😔
did you have work experience before doing this or just Uni?
Check out acryglo polyurethane it should be good enough for anything you throw at it.
Мля! Такой четенький! Ваще крутой самолётик! Если ещё и летает надёжно ,восхитительно.!
Have you considered making a carbon fiber toroidal prop?
Don't forget to change the WiFi password!😉
UNpainted CF in the sun is a VERY bad idea... it can heat up enough to soften the resin.
Check marine clear coats. Top of the line carbon fiber boats sit out in the sun all day.
Couldn't you have painted it black :-)
Suggestion: a paint job that looks like carbon fiber.
G,day Reilly from Sydney Australia.
How long can the carbon fibre maintain its surface, exposed to UV light from the sun?
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Why the flat tips on all the surfaces? Surely there is a less draggy wing tip design.
Ahora va hacer más fácil comprar un avión que un coche 🤓
*makes a black aircraft called DarkAero
*paints it white
come on broo.... i already want to see it flyinggggggggg
clear coats increase temperature subject to sun exposure not a little, a lot. More degradation of resins.
A new variant of LongEZ canard would be interesting to see.