They should have started a new trilogy with Black Beard as the villain throughout and just have him be a regular pirate. Black Beard is actually a character that we have information on from real life so why not build off of that? Have him be towering over the other pirates, lighting his beard on fire, being a savvy business man and maybe even stabbing the pirate council in the back, blowing them all up (except our heroes of course). Instead we got a guy with a magical sword and a zombie crew
my main memory of pirates of the Caribbean is my dad setting up surround sound in order to watch the movies. & the game boy game we had, never did get passed island 3 in that game
I too love the first three films, and I always liked the 4th one as well. But 5 was so disappointing that I’m still not over it. Though I guess when you’re a long time fan that might seem normal for most people.
The shortest answer to the 'why' is 'Hollywood studios (all of them) are controlled by the finance advisors and they want the safe option, which is to stay with IPs that have proven financially successful in the past.' That is why we get loads of Marvel each year and Disney keeps doing their live-action remakes of their animation catalogue. Hollywood is not taking the risk that would be making something new - they leave that to small studios and buy the IP if it proves to be good.
As an aspiring screen writer, I find this depressing. At this rate, no studio will want to EVER touch my work, because it isn't part of the mold they work with.
Dead Men Tell No Tales is definitely the worst one in the Pirates franchise for me (and that hurts, since i've been a fan of the PotC since 2006), and it goes beyond just Johnny Depp's off-portrayal of Jack Sparrow, since the film isn't even written by either Ted Elliot or Terry Rossio. Rossio wrote a completely different script for the film back in 2012 (which i've read several times by this point, and man, does it feel like a better movie in comparison), but it was rejected mainly because it featured a female villain, and another film Depp was starring in at that time, Dark Shadows, also had a female villain in it, and he thought it would be redundant. Jeff Nathanson, the guy who wrote the final version of the film, basically made a soft-reboot film that ended up retconing much of the franchise's lore
I disliked what Jeff Nathanson did for this movie. He seems like a nice guy, but I’ve struggled to forgive him for what he did to Jack Sparrow, and his entire script just felt like one big parody with no real purpose but to mock and insult the franchise, and even worse, its fans. And it didn’t help that the directors did just as poorly with making this movie, and the whole cast just looked like they didn’t want to be there. It’s so incredibly frustrating. But hey, at least we have the first four right?
@@GraysonRogers-f2h Definitely. I've watched the original 4 films dozens of times over the years, and i can always pretend we live in a world where Rossio's script was turned into a film, and we got Dead Men Tell No Tales we should have. Nathanson does seem like a nice guy, but it seems like he's generally the guy hired to write a reboot of a film or something, since he also wrote the Lion King live-action remake
As for me, I've personally liked 4 of the pirates of the Caribbean movies, but i really love pirates of the Caribbean at worlds end. I still have all 5 on Blu-ray.
The first movie honestly used to be one of my favorites. But yeah, the actors ruined it for me. Why can't celebrities just be friggin normal? I actually saw Get Him to the Greek pop-up in reference somewhere, and I totally forgot that movie existed, but I was like, "Holy shit, that was a whole cast of trash."
Geoffrey rush is great.. Johnny depp is great… Kiara knightly is great.. Orlando bloom is great.. Kevin McNally… bill nighy..Stellan skarsgaard… the cast is absolutely tremendous
I was going to see the fifth movie in theaters with my sister but we decided on the drive there it wasn't worth our time. I still haven't seen it to this day.
Elizabeth had 3 men fighting for her in the 3 way battle with norrignton on the water wheel, I think that’s what makes pirates 2 so memorable and my favorite, that 3 way battle is so creative
OKAY PRODUCTION VALUE 🎉🎉🎉loving the format. I hope you’re able to mix this video essay format in with your classic format (which I love!). I also loved the topic of this video because it’s so true: the trilogy was pretty much perfect. I’m glad to listen to someone who agrees with me 😂 and the length of the video is 👌🏾 great job i really loved this
Saying it now, pirates should go on to be a Disney plus series. Episodic, multiple historical, rude references and folk lore figures making appearances. It would work so much better
I never grew up with these movies but I recently watched them with my family and I became obssessed with the trilogy!! I absolutely adore them, it's such a shame the direction it went after them....... I'm biased because I am an animator, but I'm surprised there hasn't yet been an animated series!! (well, not so surprising with the state the animation industry is right now) I would absolutely love to see one! It doesn't have to have the same characters as always, they could be new but based in the same universe..... Wasted opportunity in my opinion!
Dude, I seen these movies when they first came out in the movie theaters as a kid and I didn’t actually appreciate them for what they are today as an adult looking back. They truly are some last great movies at Disney is put out as far as physical acting goes tell me if I’m wrong.
I feel like stranger tides is two different movie shoved together. There could have easily been a movie about the fountain of youth, and then something like the British employing pirates for something. And throw Blackbeard in there too, could’ve been awesome in my opinion.
For me, 5 easily is the worst of the entire franchise. Yes 4 has a lot of problems and feels like a side quest, but at least it does understand its characters. 5's complete misunderstanding of Jack Sparrow as a character is just baffling, especially coming from one of the original writers. As you said about the first film, Jack's core character trait is his ability to think out of any situation he finds himself in. Jack in the 5th movie couldn't think his way out of a paper back. Jack always played the fool in the first 4 movies in order to disarm the people around him and manipulate them to do what he wants. The 3rd movie being the pinnacle of his manipulations getting everyone exactly where he wants them when he wants them there. The 5th movie Jack is a drunk that relies on sheer dumb luck to get his way, the only way he survives the guillotine scene is through Disney's Goofy's levels of dumb luck. The Jack of the first 4 movies would never have gotten into the guillotine in the first place.
The compass doesn’t point to Jack because he’s what Elizabeth wants, it points to Jack to reaffirm to her and the audience that he’s the way to get back to Will.
The first 2 are amazing in my opinion, the third film is kinda a downgrade but still enjoyable (i mainly liked any scene with jack and Barbossa and davy jones), thr 4th one is enjoyable but feels slightly off....at least it felt like a pirates of the caribbean film, where the 5th film was so abysmal that i never want Disney to continue this franchise
I don’t know. I still like the fourth one. At least that one had an interesting story to tell and was made with passion. I also really loved Jack’s character arc, and Philip and Syrena were my two favorites❤.
@@GraysonRogers-f2h On Stranger Tides is the toy you get with you're Happy Meal at Mcdonalds. It's an inoffensive sequel that unlike 5 doesn't ruin anything, it's just kinda there for those who want it. 4 has it's fans and that's fine, but I'd still encourage most to stick with the trilogy.
The Margot Robbie Pirates movie has a simple explanation. Margot Robbie is a fan of the original movies, Margot Robbie wants to play a pirate and Margot Robbie gets to do whatever she wants because she is untouchable rn.
The main reason 4 and 5 are so bad is Jack is a main character. As in the older movies jack is a the main Supporting character. Which fit his character best
If only there was a way to add a photo to the comments, I could show your fans/friends/followers your spectacular Captain Jack Halloween costume, circa 2017 😉 Love you Bub, great video! 💙
the only thing i liked about the 4th film was penelope cruz that’s about it, the rest is not that great so i didn’t even bother watching the 5th but the first 3 films will always be iconic even if i no longer support johnny depp
Major Problems started with 3 not 4, the third act goes off the rails, a marriage ceremony in the middle of a bloated 1 hour long third act of to much action
Johnny Depp isn't going to be in the next movies because he doesn't like how they treated him after he got accused, not because they don't want him to be. His record is clean
@@stefanlopez1835 yeah but disney still won’t want him back. it’s both parties unwillingness to come to a compromise. Depp feels betrayed and Disney is concerned about their image
@@cainvarner Disney is concerned about its imagine and yet everyday there is a new scandal where it is involved, just look at how they tried to avoid repaying a guy whose wife died in one of their parks, all becase once he signed a free for a trial on Disney Plus. If that does not scream "evil corporation" I don't know what else to say.
His record is not clear. Lol. He is still legally classified as a wife beater in the UK. Why do so many people just forget that trial existed? (Probably because it wasn't trashily aired for public entertainment. But i digress.) The US trial wasn't about whether or not he was an abuser. Like, that just wasn't what he was suing her for. And if it was, he would be able to use that ruling to file an appeal over the UK ruling. But he can't. Because that's not what he was trying to do.
@@lfsantacruz8703 You obviously have no clue what a defamation is. Amber Heard claimed he abused him. Amber Heard lied. Therefore Johnny Depp won the defamation case.
@@cainvarner fair enough, can't change tht. It sure sounded like neither did you belive it, which is fine but like, come on. Atleast be clear abt the info. Like you kinda never mention it and just churn over allegations. It would be better if you were to be more clear abt this kind of stuff or not mention it at all. Like mention how the case ended. I got very confused, like was there something else did I miss?
@@itsame7491 i don’t really care about the case. that should’ve been a private matter anyway. people blew it way out of proportion. my video is on a film franchise not a relationship that ended almost a decade ago 🤷♂️
Do you believe the films will be good if they get depp back in The thing that you didnt mention that what isnt shown in the movies are stated in the books and there is a LOT off screen
His being fired had nothing to do with Amber. He was fired before that article even came out. Not to mention the fact that she didn't even mention his name at all in the article, so even if they would have fired him for that, they had no grounds to even suspect it was him until he opened his big dumb mouth.
They should have started a new trilogy with Black Beard as the villain throughout and just have him be a regular pirate. Black Beard is actually a character that we have information on from real life so why not build off of that? Have him be towering over the other pirates, lighting his beard on fire, being a savvy business man and maybe even stabbing the pirate council in the back, blowing them all up (except our heroes of course). Instead we got a guy with a magical sword and a zombie crew
The trilogy is a masterpiece. Dead Man's Chest is even better than the first one imo
my main memory of pirates of the Caribbean is my dad setting up surround sound in order to watch the movies. & the game boy game we had, never did get passed island 3 in that game
Damn I have to go rewatch the OG trilogy bc you're 1000% correct
Pirates 1 is one of my favourite films of all time, and the second and third were also amazing
The Fifth was none of the above
I too love the first three films, and I always liked the 4th one as well. But 5 was so disappointing that I’m still not over it. Though I guess when you’re a long time fan that might seem normal for most people.
The shortest answer to the 'why' is 'Hollywood studios (all of them) are controlled by the finance advisors and they want the safe option, which is to stay with IPs that have proven financially successful in the past.' That is why we get loads of Marvel each year and Disney keeps doing their live-action remakes of their animation catalogue. Hollywood is not taking the risk that would be making something new - they leave that to small studios and buy the IP if it proves to be good.
As an aspiring screen writer, I find this depressing. At this rate, no studio will want to EVER touch my work, because it isn't part of the mold they work with.
Almost like monopoly is a bad thing, and Hollywood needs to be seriously challenged
I love the Geoffrey Rush appreciation, he's my favorite of these movie and he's what makes 4 and 5 watchable
7:21 i think it’s because of the lighting. Modern Marvel movies have the worst lighting, I swear. They’re all so flat and lifeless.
YUP YUP. lighting and color make such a difference
I didn’t realize they had 2 additional films to begin with 😂
Dead Men Tell No Tales is definitely the worst one in the Pirates franchise for me (and that hurts, since i've been a fan of the PotC since 2006), and it goes beyond just Johnny Depp's off-portrayal of Jack Sparrow, since the film isn't even written by either Ted Elliot or Terry Rossio. Rossio wrote a completely different script for the film back in 2012 (which i've read several times by this point, and man, does it feel like a better movie in comparison), but it was rejected mainly because it featured a female villain, and another film Depp was starring in at that time, Dark Shadows, also had a female villain in it, and he thought it would be redundant. Jeff Nathanson, the guy who wrote the final version of the film, basically made a soft-reboot film that ended up retconing much of the franchise's lore
oh i had it wrong. i thought Terry wrote the fifth
@@cainvarneryou weren’t wrong.. the original comment is literally making things up
I disliked what Jeff Nathanson did for this movie. He seems like a nice guy, but I’ve struggled to forgive him for what he did to Jack Sparrow, and his entire script just felt like one big parody with no real purpose but to mock and insult the franchise, and even worse, its fans. And it didn’t help that the directors did just as poorly with making this movie, and the whole cast just looked like they didn’t want to be there. It’s so incredibly frustrating. But hey, at least we have the first four right?
@@GraysonRogers-f2h Definitely. I've watched the original 4 films dozens of times over the years, and i can always pretend we live in a world where Rossio's script was turned into a film, and we got Dead Men Tell No Tales we should have.
Nathanson does seem like a nice guy, but it seems like he's generally the guy hired to write a reboot of a film or something, since he also wrote the Lion King live-action remake
Its a great day when cainvarner uploads🎉😊
As for me, I've personally liked 4 of the pirates of the Caribbean movies, but i really love pirates of the Caribbean at worlds end. I still have all 5 on Blu-ray.
I’ve gotta dissociate the actors from the characters from this series and it’s one of my favourites 😢
The first movie honestly used to be one of my favorites. But yeah, the actors ruined it for me. Why can't celebrities just be friggin normal?
I actually saw Get Him to the Greek pop-up in reference somewhere, and I totally forgot that movie existed, but I was like, "Holy shit, that was a whole cast of trash."
Geoffrey rush is great.. Johnny depp is great… Kiara knightly is great.. Orlando bloom is great.. Kevin McNally… bill nighy..Stellan skarsgaard… the cast is absolutely tremendous
Literally who tf are you taking about
*disassociate
@seveng1147 imagine openly supporting Johnny depp in 2024. 🤡
Haven't even seen the movies just here for cainvarner 🎉
I was going to see the fifth movie in theaters with my sister but we decided on the drive there it wasn't worth our time. I still haven't seen it to this day.
Good choice.
Elizabeth had 3 men fighting for her in the 3 way battle with norrignton on the water wheel, I think that’s what makes pirates 2 so memorable and my favorite, that 3 way battle is so creative
Dead mans chest was the best one IMO. It had an empire strikes back feeling especially with the end. Just 1-3 works so well but 2 is just special
This video has convinced me to watch all the movies
OKAY PRODUCTION VALUE 🎉🎉🎉loving the format. I hope you’re able to mix this video essay format in with your classic format (which I love!). I also loved the topic of this video because it’s so true: the trilogy was pretty much perfect. I’m glad to listen to someone who agrees with me 😂 and the length of the video is 👌🏾 great job i really loved this
Saying it now, pirates should go on to be a Disney plus series. Episodic, multiple historical, rude references and folk lore figures making appearances. It would work so much better
I said no lies!
I think he's telling the truth.
stranger tides literally feels like a side quest, 1-3 are bangers. 5 the only good part was will and elizabeth came back
We are blessed today 👐
I never grew up with these movies but I recently watched them with my family and I became obssessed with the trilogy!! I absolutely adore them, it's such a shame the direction it went after them.......
I'm biased because I am an animator, but I'm surprised there hasn't yet been an animated series!! (well, not so surprising with the state the animation industry is right now) I would absolutely love to see one! It doesn't have to have the same characters as always, they could be new but based in the same universe..... Wasted opportunity in my opinion!
Loving the style but I do miss the board and the wand ❤
Dude, I seen these movies when they first came out in the movie theaters as a kid and I didn’t actually appreciate them for what they are today as an adult looking back. They truly are some last great movies at Disney is put out as far as physical acting goes tell me if I’m wrong.
aye aye cap'n whatever u say
I feel like stranger tides is two different movie shoved together. There could have easily been a movie about the fountain of youth, and then something like the British employing pirates for something. And throw Blackbeard in there too, could’ve been awesome in my opinion.
Curse of the Black Pearl has to be one of if not the best action/adventure movie ever made.
Could not agree more with this video. I only ever count the first three, the last 2 do not count/exist to me
For me, 5 easily is the worst of the entire franchise. Yes 4 has a lot of problems and feels like a side quest, but at least it does understand its characters. 5's complete misunderstanding of Jack Sparrow as a character is just baffling, especially coming from one of the original writers. As you said about the first film, Jack's core character trait is his ability to think out of any situation he finds himself in. Jack in the 5th movie couldn't think his way out of a paper back. Jack always played the fool in the first 4 movies in order to disarm the people around him and manipulate them to do what he wants. The 3rd movie being the pinnacle of his manipulations getting everyone exactly where he wants them when he wants them there. The 5th movie Jack is a drunk that relies on sheer dumb luck to get his way, the only way he survives the guillotine scene is through Disney's Goofy's levels of dumb luck. The Jack of the first 4 movies would never have gotten into the guillotine in the first place.
Will reminds me of Jon snow and Elizabeth looks like she can play a younger Cersei
The compass doesn’t point to Jack because he’s what Elizabeth wants, it points to Jack to reaffirm to her and the audience that he’s the way to get back to Will.
interesting take
The first 2 are amazing in my opinion, the third film is kinda a downgrade but still enjoyable (i mainly liked any scene with jack and Barbossa and davy jones), thr 4th one is enjoyable but feels slightly off....at least it felt like a pirates of the caribbean film, where the 5th film was so abysmal that i never want Disney to continue this franchise
Downgrade with the best soundtrack, cinematography, set design and set pieces of the franchise ? Sure.
Ooh i forgot how much i loved the trilogy
THERE. ARE. ONLY. THREE. PIRATE. MOVIES.
I don’t know. I still like the fourth one. At least that one had an interesting story to tell and was made with passion. I also really loved Jack’s character arc, and Philip and Syrena were my two favorites❤.
@@GraysonRogers-f2h On Stranger Tides is the toy you get with you're Happy Meal at Mcdonalds. It's an inoffensive sequel that unlike 5 doesn't ruin anything, it's just kinda there for those who want it. 4 has it's fans and that's fine, but I'd still encourage most to stick with the trilogy.
That’s perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Holy cow I guess I haven’t seen either of the new films, I think I’ll stick to that habit going forward (:
The Margot Robbie Pirates movie has a simple explanation. Margot Robbie is a fan of the original movies, Margot Robbie wants to play a pirate and Margot Robbie gets to do whatever she wants because she is untouchable rn.
To be honest i like potc 4 and this franchise should stop right there
I agree. I’ve always felt that 4 is a bit over hated. Just like the Star Wars prequels, it might not be perfect, but it’s still good.
The 4th one is the only one I don’t rewatch
The main reason 4 and 5 are so bad is Jack is a main character.
As in the older movies jack is a the main Supporting character. Which fit his character best
It's rewatching time.
Bro you didn't have to go so hawrd.
when is the next shameless video out?????
november
If only there was a way to add a photo to the comments, I could show your fans/friends/followers your spectacular Captain Jack Halloween costume, circa 2017 😉
Love you Bub, great video! 💙
oh lord😭 that was something alright!
🌈💖✨️
I think the whole franchise is stupid.
good for you!
the only thing i liked about the 4th film was penelope cruz that’s about it, the rest is not that great so i didn’t even bother watching the 5th but the first 3 films will always be iconic even if i no longer support johnny depp
Was? It is not over … Disney is planning on making an all females cast movie .💀
that would be so cool if they just like didn’t market it as a POTC film tbh
Major Problems started with 3 not 4, the third act goes off the rails, a marriage ceremony in the middle of a bloated 1 hour long third act of to much action
that third act is perfect
Garbage take.
Johnny Depp isn't going to be in the next movies because he doesn't like how they treated him after he got accused, not because they don't want him to be. His record is clean
@@stefanlopez1835 yeah but disney still won’t want him back. it’s both parties unwillingness to come to a compromise. Depp feels betrayed and Disney is concerned about their image
@@cainvarner Disney is concerned about its imagine and yet everyday there is a new scandal where it is involved, just look at how they tried to avoid repaying a guy whose wife died in one of their parks, all becase once he signed a free for a trial on Disney Plus. If that does not scream "evil corporation" I don't know what else to say.
His record is not clear. Lol. He is still legally classified as a wife beater in the UK. Why do so many people just forget that trial existed? (Probably because it wasn't trashily aired for public entertainment. But i digress.)
The US trial wasn't about whether or not he was an abuser. Like, that just wasn't what he was suing her for. And if it was, he would be able to use that ruling to file an appeal over the UK ruling. But he can't. Because that's not what he was trying to do.
can we not pls. this is about a film series not the court cases
@@lfsantacruz8703 You obviously have no clue what a defamation is. Amber Heard claimed he abused him. Amber Heard lied. Therefore Johnny Depp won the defamation case.
Depp beat the allegations, why do you shit on him in 2024?
i personally do not believe he is guilty but others disagree so
@@cainvarner tht so, the whole court case was broadcasted though....
@@itsame7491 some people don’t believe him that is their prerogative
@@cainvarner fair enough, can't change tht. It sure sounded like neither did you belive it, which is fine but like, come on. Atleast be clear abt the info.
Like you kinda never mention it and just churn over allegations. It would be better if you were to be more clear abt this kind of stuff or not mention it at all. Like mention how the case ended.
I got very confused, like was there something else did I miss?
@@itsame7491 i don’t really care about the case. that should’ve been a private matter anyway. people blew it way out of proportion. my video is on a film franchise not a relationship that ended almost a decade ago 🤷♂️
How old are you?
20
@@cainvarneroh damn your young bro😭I remember when 2-3 came out and the hype around them
That and of course Johnny being pretty much tortured by his then wife Amber Turd, so I kinda understand why his acting was a bit iffy in POTC 5.
he was definitely going through a hard time especially since he apparently couldn’t stomach to be sober. i hope he’s doing better now :/
Do you believe the films will be good if they get depp back in
The thing that you didnt mention that what isnt shown in the movies are stated in the books and there is a LOT off screen
This guy sucks at analysis
ok
i have no clue how they could even think of making a movie, let alone two, without depp because he was domestically abused and sued over lies
His being fired had nothing to do with Amber. He was fired before that article even came out. Not to mention the fact that she didn't even mention his name at all in the article, so even if they would have fired him for that, they had no grounds to even suspect it was him until he opened his big dumb mouth.