I just realized anubis perfectly demonstrated how he can get away with the rules. Instead of telling daniel the answer, he guides him through what daniel already knows so he can figure out the answer. Brilliantly written.
An notice how he never had his people praying or worshipping him, that is explain later on, if he started to collect followers that prayed to him that would enhance his ascension power, making a risk to the rest and he was frighten that would actually get them off their high horse and act against him instead of waiting for Oma to fight him in her own eternal battle.
@@DavidKnowles0 Exactly. I can't recall the exact episode, but there's a moment when he asks one of his subordinates to build a weapon. Once it's completed, the Goa'uld responds, saying, 'You could have built that weapon yourself.' Anubis replies that he could have, but doesn't explain why he chose not to. The reason is that Anubis possesses all the knowledge of the Ancients, along with his Goa'uld knowledge, but the Ancients forbade him from using their knowledge. He is only allowed to use his Goa'uld knowledge. However, here's where it gets tricky: it’s difficult to prove that he isn’t using his Ancient knowledge to build the weapon, so he had his lieutenant construct it instead.
Anubis' performance was fairly good. I was starting to trust him with the penny dropped. Shows how he was able to manipulate his way to ascension, and how he could be quite subtle when the situation called for it.
Thank you for posting this, it's one of my favorite episodes. I really like how ascension is portrayed/explained, and Anubis' actor was just the icing on the cake (that laugh too).
Mateusz Panasiuk it’s just odd, with how grandiose he is. Not really a matter of him threatening or doing evil acts, just how down to earth and social he can be.
To him, it was a manipulative game he played. He enjoyed befriending Daniel, revealing Oma is flawed and later big reveal. Like Dantes inferno, deceit is the worst sin and Anubis enjoyed it.
he was no ori. however this makes me want to see what was going on with the ascended when the ori came to visit our galaxy. that would be one interesting story parallel of the season 9 and 10 of sg1 and 4 and 5 of sga. now i want them to make that series....
I always liked the idea that Anubis and his host became actual friends like Sams dad and the other Tokra did with theirs. Just because the parasite is evil, doesn’t mean the host can’t be an evil fella to begin with. Maybe they ascended together as one
May be that was his ultimate crime the Goa'uld couldn't speak off, we thought it was something truly horrific but may it was the simply fact he melded and form a partnership with his host that was actually the crime they thought was so unspeakable.
Problem is, had Skaara been in the diner the viewer wouldn't have been able to believe that he wouldn't help Daniel in the end. Oma retains that doubt of what will happen, but we know Skaara would lay down his life for Daniel at any point if given the choice. My bet is Oma is keeping Skaara and the other Abydonians away from Daniel at this point.
"If you deserve to be here you should be able to get here on your own!" Spot on! I agree thanks Anubis. I wish I could sit there with you and discuss ascension, life the universe and everything else with you. rather be in your company then these other ascended "stiffs" you got spirit Anubis.
but Anubis DID get where he is on his own. He used deception which is a natural trait of the Goul'd. He just used an ascended being to get where he wanted to go. Therefore, he showed what normally a Goul'd would do. That is why they can't completely get rid of him.
How did Orlin know Sam so well when he entered her but Oma couldn’t tell he was tricking her? How do Goa’uld ascend as one being or two separate since the body is a host with its own personality?
@@2bituser569 fair point, they did not address this in details. Oma stated that when he came to Kheb he knew exactly what he was doing. This lacks a bit of consistency if you ask me. Someone clever enough to trick an Ascended being, let alone a former Ancient, should not be beaten by mere humans so easaly, given the feat he accomplished to ascend he should be like ten steps ahead of every foe. Ascencion is a physiological state of evolution, i guess every scentient being can acheive it. Goual'ds were nowhere evolved enough as a specie but again he was smart enough to have another being do the rest for him.
@@yumenokira7595 Just because he learned about ascension doesn't mean he knows everything about the Ancients or their technology (or at least that he would have without access to knowledge directly from being ascended, which he can't use without the other ascended beings smiting him). He was ultimately defeated using Ancient technology all the way around: Jack downloaded knowledge from the repository and used that to activate the weaponry in Antarctica.
@@BladeOfLight16 i'm aware of how he got defeated and his limitations as "half ascended" or whatever he was. What i mean is, the intelligence he displayed when tricking an ascended being is not really demonstrated from his return to his finale demise in se08, i know it's plot, at some point the bad guy must lose.
from what I've gathered Anubis can't do the ridiculous stuff other ascended can, but he still remembers being fully ascended but can no longer access the full breath of the knowledge he previously had access to and all his advancements are just what he remembers. An analogy is a very intelligent person from 1700 time travels to 2020 has full access to all knowledge and for a year studies like a mad man learning everything he can then at the end of the year he is sent back with only what he's learned, no reference material, no tech. That person can certainly have a profound impact in his time but is limited by what he has available and limited knowledge. I can fully explain how a jet flies and draw diagrams but could I build one from scratch only from memory probably not.
Very good analogy. I suppose the other trick would be playing to one's strengths, focus on studying what would be most useful. It'd be a lifetime's work to build, say, a plane if any of us were sent back 300 years, maybe even impossible. However, if a person from that time was someone powerful like a king (a close equivalent to a System Lord), they'd be able to achieve far more things with the future knowledge they'd acquired.
didn't they say that he has the knowledge and power as any other ascended being but he can't use that power and knowledge (because then the anciets would intervene) and that is why he needs others.. he can do what he could as a goa'uld and if he gets ancient knowledge then he can use that, that is why he wanted Atlantis.. and that is why he needed SG1 to find the weapon on Dacara and Ba'al to link the stargates together.. Anubis knew it is there but he could not use his knowledge so he needed others to find it so he could use it without and ancients intervention
@Plush Hunter the limbo is perceived differently depending on the person. Daniel’s Grandpa took him here after the death of his parents so it has a certain significance for him
Perhaps it was the name of his host. One person on here suggested the idea that his host was just as evil as he, allowing him to have a symbiotic relationship much the same as the Tok’ra, and thus allowing him to fool Oma.
Yes! I found this very interesting year's ago. The whole stargate think and traveling to other planets. Makes me want to watch it all over again. So long ago I have forgotten some of the episodes. Still think it has to do with Enki and Enlil....all the waring and trying to keep peace in the universe.
The device pictured on the newspaper from 4:00 onwards is the Dakara weapon console if that's what you mean. But given it's the same in-universe creators I'm not surprised the aesthetic is similar.
That would be awesome. Your giving me fanfic ideas. Serously the fact those two villains were both locked in asacanded battles just makes believe they ended up meeting down the line.
It was a great illustration of how Anubis fooled Oma - he's entirely likeable and convincing as a decent guy until he is revealed. It was amusing to him to lead Daniel to that truth, because he knew that Daniel wouldn't be able to stop him. Also, having Daniel realize what happened was a chance to further humiliate Oma. My initial reaction to all of this was to wonder why Anubis wasn't content with being Ascended, but I guess it was the restrictions that the others put on him that soured it - he didn't want to answer to anyone.
how can you lead and control the galaxy, or beyond when the first and cardinal rule is: no interraction of course he wasn't content and on it's own had no way to force his way, the collective of ancient could smite him at will, no other choice but to step down
I assume it's like the Q Contiuum in Star Trek. When humans were there a world they could understand had to be created. What was shown was a representation of the Q Continuum but that wasn't how the Q lived. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Q_Civil_War
@@AJ-bo8bn eat the Passover. something you must do your self. Who is the Anubis in the elevator trap with you Mr. green. The Enemy is always at the last place you would look for him.
The other eating the Passover meat and living water are done with Anubis their cup being clean passing the scale trial they are at a higher plane where Anubis cannot enter Daniel still need to eat he is not ascended yet and cannot pass the diner door Anubis still try to temp him with the news paper to imbalance the scale.
Makes sense that we wouldn't be able to understand the societies of the Ascended/Q Continuum. They're just flat out higher and beyond comprehension in the same way spiders have no way of comprehending human civilisations.
Were the ancients first race to ascend? If they weren't, would the other species that had descended before look down at them. like the ancients look down to us in the stargate world
In universe there's the whole thing related to the cosmic background radiation of the universe and how its believed to have been created from a structure at the centre of the universe. It's unknown if Rush was just making it up. If he ain't then that would put whatever built that structure miles ahead of the ancient and have probably left the dimension entirely to the multiverse level.
As the other poster mentioned there is the race mentioned in SG universe series that made the cosmic background radiation message. They may or may not also be the same race of planet builders who made the planet Eden. Additionally the never completed Stargate MMO game said the Furlings also traveled/ascended to another dimension according to production notes hence why they never appeared in the show. Interestingly the same game implied the Furlings are the reason the Goa’uld exist. Finally one of the Stargate Atlantis novels featured a female Asgard who ascended prior to her race’s cloning experiments and hence didn’t suffer from the genetic disease that would go on to plague and ultimately wipe out her species. The Asgard’s Pegasus cousins the Vanir would eventually try contact her in the book.
It possible other beings were already in the ascended realm before the ancients. For all we know the ancients are stuck in some reservation of the Ascended realm
Obviously, since Ori can become more powerful by draining their followers energy there must be variations in how powerful each ascended being becomes. Must be higher levels above the Ancients
Sir Bobo Ancients and Ori are both Altarans same species and at same level initially when ascended. but Ori sect found a way to accumulate more power their their ancient counterparts through their followers worship.
It stands to reason that the Ori are fewer in numbers. As mentioned by Orlin and later Daniel: The Ori do not share power. After the first few ascended, they probably prevented anyone else from reaching their level and most certainly didn't help others. The Ancients however allowed others to ascend and even helped them. We heard about ascended Asgard, the Nox are quasi-Ascended and the Furlings have not been heard of so far, so they might have ascended as well. Ascension wasn't just the final solution after the Lanteans return to Earth - considering that there was research about Ascension in the Milky Way galaxy, there were probably Ancients ascending before the Plague came. So while the Ori probably were a few dozen that drew power from millions or even billions, the Ancients were probably hundreds if not thousands. But without the power from the lower planes, they would've maybe lost a direct engagement with the Ori on the higher plane. We have to keep in mind: The Ori wanted to hijack Danielmerlin's plan with the Sangreal to destroy the Ancients, because even with the power of both galaxies combined, a confrontation on their plane of existence would be risky - and some Ori might cease to exist in that confrontation, so a scenario where they wouldn't have to fight would've been preferable to them. So all in all, I don't think an ascended Ancient is more powerful than an Ori - as we've seen in The Ark Of Truth, Morgen Le Fay was able to engage Adria after she lost her power, with no one having a clear advantage. The Ascended in the Milky Way just had greater numbers.
04:05 my Android isn't very big. Is that picture on the newspaper the Pandora's Box from that Stargate Movie? The box of Origin or what ever it's called?
I wish the extended version of this episode was available. Every online source has the 43 minute version, instead of the 90. A lot is missing in the short one. In this very clip, there’s a whole part of the conversation missing after “Jim” explains rule #1.
What's weird is there was a dude who was ascended and came back with his memories, though he did gradually lose them, so there was *a way* just not a great one. Also seems odd that Anubis gets to use knowledge he couldn't possibly have had a snake. It's said that he can't, but he clearly did several times
Oma said that Anubis must have found Ancient research on Asencion, so he probably translated Ancient and studied other Ancient research as well. Things like his shields, his clone, etcetera he probably actually had to work for, or at least the Ancients figured he would figure out anyways.
@@FormerBunsenBurner He likely didn't know anywhere near as much about ancient tech and what not. It honestly seems like the Ancients just gave that dude a pass specifically to force Oma to accept responsibility for her actions and set things right.
@@InfernosReaper no she said he was barred from using any knowledge and powers he couldn't have possessed as a non assended being, that just means he's unable to do anything beyond what a flesh and blood being is capable of doing. The problem is that basically means he was allowed keep the knowledge and powers of every unassended civilization in the galaxy. That basically means he had the brains of the asgard and the ancients and the powers of the knox and potentially the wraith and any other species. At least thats how I read it.
Merlin did too. I think the problem was that the knowledge they had was way beyond what a brain could handle. I think that they could take human form with a lot of knowledge, but I am also pretty sure that their collective required them to wipe their memories. Its kind of like allowing them to take human form and "end" their immortal existence through life and death again.
The whole thing would have been undercut if he could just remember what he could do while ascended. He was able to appear to appear to Jack before; he could do it again.
The point was that Daniel was stuck in the halfway area, like Oma and Anubis, since they were the only three to show any kind of actual activity there. He either was literally incapable of appearing back, or would just have his memory wiped again if he tried.
And my point is that Daniel has been fully ascended before, and actually appeared to Jack. Once ascended, he could in fact go back and give them information.
@@ZipplyZane he can only do what the other let him fully up or not is not the point, even a full fledge ancient can't go against the rule, look what hapen to morgan la fe the moment she tried to cross the line, she was stopped on the moment without uttering a single extra word
Ascension may very well be the reason why we dont see any aliens - The concept deserves to be considered among the Fermi Paradox solutions. Is it really so far-out to consider a solution where a species may evolve to a point it can shed its natural form, or perhaps evolve beyond the 3 known dimensions?
We haven’t even scratched the surface of the universe yet. We’ve only directly observed tiny amounts of the universe and have had very little time to do it. Not to mention that we have very little idea of what an alien civ will look like in our instruments’ data. Imagine looking for a needle in a haystack - while not even knowing what a needle looks or feels like. And under that analogy we’ve just barely started.
I recommend you check out science and futurism with Issac Arthur he has a lot of videos on the fermi paradox including one I believe on the idea of ascended aliens among many other awesome videos about space travel and future tech he's right here on the youtube.
The thing i admired about ascension is that the most powerful upgrade as a mortal being is based on buddhism and the journey to enlightment. Including the non-interference requirement which is part of giving up your mortality.
@@ProjecthuntanFish hell isn't real and neither is ascension. If ascension was real though I couldn't imagine a worse hell. All of eternity knowing everything but never doing anything with the knowledge. Higher plane concepts are not thought out very well.
Here's my question, why did Anubis choose that human form, did he think it was the best for the job at hand. Was it the human he was in when he did ascend, or was it a different human maybe his favorite one.
everything we see is done from Daniel's point of view. supposedly his human mind needed the diner and other humans as a way to comprehend what was happening. It also is to give us the audience a way to follow along
I thought it might be interesting to find someone who infiltrated the Ori in a similar fashion and was sent "half way back." Of course there would have to be some explanation as to why this being wasn't sent all the way back or worse. After all the Ori didn't pull punches and drew power from worshippers prior to the Ark of Truth.
I'm still confused - he'd have died at the Battle of Earth when his spaceship was destroyed, if he had been a Goa'uld. He only survives by being this amorphous spirit. Most would say that is using a power gained from his partial ascendancy. It's never even discussed and it drove me nuts
It was kind of explained though, but it was very indirect. Anubis uses his half-ascended powers after his corporeal body died to possess a few people, and eventually his illusion was discovered and he was sent to a backwater lifeless, frozen planet. It's not known how he managed to escape, but we can assume he used his ascended powers to do so. As for why nothing was done about that immediately, we know from all of the interactions between Oma, Anubis, the other ascended Ancients, and Daniel, that there are a lot of complications around how to handle Anubis. Oma was being punished by the other Ancients for helping Anubis ascend. Her punishment was to watch Anubis wreak havoc on the galaxy and sit idly by as it happened. The others did not want to step in and deal with him if he ever tried to use his ascended powers, because it would mean breaking the rules (since he was still considered a mortal). It was solely up to Oma. If Anubis ever got out of hand, Oma had to be the one to take control of the problem. It all comes to fruition when Anubis has seized control of Dakara, and is prepared to end all life in the galaxy. He had already used his powers to get to that point, so Anubis had technically broken the conditions set by the others. Oma decided to finally step in to fight Anubis. She forces him to fully ascend and presumably keeps him in an eternal struggle that will continue until the heat death of the universe. Or longer. Who knows. She said that nobody can kill him. TL;DR Oma had to be the one to "take care" of Anubis for breaking the rules, and that's what ends up happening.
@@spartan456 Actually, Oma said she can't kill him and Daniel can't. What I got was that she implied the Others CAN but WON'T. After all, it isn't a punishment for Oma if they can't kill Anubis, it's just a fact of life. The Others are immoral idiots, putting Anubis ahead of billions or trillions of people.
Because he's half ascended he can't completely die that's why he survived. That's not "using his powers" that's just his form of existence now. A form that the ancients chose for him - for whatever reason.
It is somewhat discussed. Like the ancients Anubis's body is still made of energy. However due to the plane of existence he is in he can not interact with the universe like anyone else would. This is why he has his cloak. The cloak allows him to interact with the universe like any lower mortal. It also serves as a container keeping him inside. In the episode "Full Circle" the first ascended Daniel discovers all this. However he loses all that knowledge because he steps in to prevent Anubis from destroying the people of Abydos and Oma has to step in to prevent him from stopping Anubis as he is still "following his end of the agreement". He does tell the rest of SG1 what before trying to stop Anubis. At the Battle of Antarctica when his flagship is destroy his body is not destroyed. However he is without his cloak or personal force shield and thus can no longer interact with the world. This is because he is a being of some kind of energy. He can not be killed with regular weaponry and even Merlin's weapon may not kill him depending on how exactly his state of existence works. It is known that he can possess people for a short amount of time as shown in "Lockdown". This isn't something that ascended beings are known to do if they can at all. Whatever his state of existence is does seem to allow him to do so and if it was breaking the agreement he made with the other ascended beings then Oma or they would be stepping in. However it can be said that he does seem to run the line a little. This is especially obvious in the technology and soldiers he employs. He is able to breed loyal Kull warriors and their armor that is capable of blocking any weapon and absorbing any energy fire. His flagship also had an incredibly powerful superweapon that was able to destroy multiple Goa'uld motherships on a single charge. However if the ascended ancients believed that he had run the line too much then they would have stepped in. They probably allowed it and maybe even at times cross over because as Oma says, in the episode this clip was pulled from, she still runs the line. The whole reason he wasn't sent back was as @spartan456 has said, "Oma was being punished by the other Ancients for helping Anubis ascend". tl;dr Anubis exists on a plane between humans and ascended beings. His body can not be harmed nor destroyed as a human body could. However he can not interact with the world without a body or some kind of personal force shield like his cloak. Oma continues to run the line of what is okay. And this allows him to continue running the line and using ascended knowledge at times.
@@Cotcan Ori are able to possess people like the Doci. So technically the ascended should be able to do so, but won't do it. Anubis doesn't (have to) care about the rules of the ascended.
I'm a bit confused. Why is Anubis talking to Daniel? Would of thought he would of wanted to make sure Daniel was as clueless as possible to prevent any sort of interference with his plan
He was basically untouchable. As long as he didn't "break the rules" (like using the powers, only technology he acquired), then Oma couldn't do anything and so couldn't Daniel. So why not having some fun on the higher plane of existence while doing the everyday Goa'uld stuff in the mortal world?
That’s why the monk tells Bratac he has to get rid of his symbiote first to ascend because Oma does not want to make the same mistake again. I just thought of that. 😮
What I love about ascension is that it explains why God does not interfere. To interfere would mean risking greater damage with zero accountability and to deny free will. They would worship the ancients like they do with the ori. Their path would be directly controlled by their gods. The danger of faith is beyond our understanding because faith is incapable of rational understanding. It is nothing more than a leap through belief in something that cannot be proven. Considering that God exists, the Jews always followed the Torah because to refuse would mean death. No free will at all. That is merciless and cruel. You can argue that to let millions die as they are doing right now would be cruel as well. Every time you try to do the right thing is always a risk that usually fails because we have a faulty understanding of morality. That is why logic must be used.
its a simplification of titles... or how aliens dumb themselves down to human standards. which made stargate different and more inclusive to general watchers...less technobabble, more relatable.
the research is pretty old.... ancient is a term to describe the age of something. So you have he choice of either being viewed as pedantic, or straight up dumb. ಠωಠ
sadly a few question rising there only pure heart can ascend? i'd dare to say ori doesnt quite qualify, did they invent en ascending machine on their own side after them and ancient split path? and anubis is clearly, to an extend, using knowledge he couldnt have acquired on his own :/
You know this makes wonder why didn't the Nox ascend? They must seen some kinda of limitation being in that form, because in my opinion the Nox should have ascended before the Ancients did. Watching them all be free of body and yet so limited in choice and options especially concerning Anubis makes me wonder what the Nox think of ascension. At least that particular plain of ascended beings, there could be other plains with their own advantages and limitations. Come on Brad Wright bring Stargate back so I can see more of this beautiful universe!
maybe they're not that evolved yet. the alterans were by far the race with the biggest knowledge, and possibly the oldest we've seen in SG. even the asgard recognize that there are so much information in the repository of knowledge that they haven't even scratched the surface of it, and these repositories are from before their voyage to the pegasus galaxy, which gave the alterans a lot more time to evolve an aquire more knowledge. i think the nox aren't there yet, but maybe very close.
Ascension is a choice. Just because you have the level and ability to do it doesn't mean you would do it. The Nox just never felt the need to ascend for the ones we see.
@@adventwolfbane Its my personal headcannon that the Nox are completely capable of ascending, but they simply choose not too because they want the alternative. Oma told Daniel that if he walked through the door without being ascended we would be choosing the alternative, aka death, whatever death really is. The Ancients, given their stuck-up and arrogant nature probably became so obsessed with ascension because they fear true death, while I think the Nox embrace it, allowing themselves to pass on naturally after a long life.
"There's a storm in the air, it's coming closer I can tell that we swim in trouble waters And the fate of the worlds, above and under Unstable like fire" Michael putting emphasis on those word. The In between above and under is our reality. Those word mean that somehow everyone will be affected including lower and higher plane. "What's the meaning of pain without a sweetener Decipher the ultimate enigma" ""Cascading Effect""
Oma says he went to Kheb already aware of ascension. Who knows what other Ancient knowledge he had already? Pity he didn't leave a ZPM factory behind somewhere.
I reckon he was bending the rules and walked a fine line quite often if not constantly, eg overarching knowledge he gained as an ascendant meaning he "knows where to look" so to speak for certain devices and tech and direct people in how to develop them, all of which is theoretically possible to achieve. Of course there's times he could have gone beyond the pale and slapped down a few times which the viewer is unaware of. Just being in that Diner is bending the rules and pushing the limit and of course Oma tells him to get out
@@ryanoftinellb I don't think he knew too much, otherwise he would have had his ships able to defend against advanced Asgard models or the Ancient Drone missiles. He was probably aware of Ancient ascension philosophy and who Oma was which could have just been from teachings or tablets etc
They said he could use knowledge he wouldn't have as a mortal didn't say he couldn't officially gain access to any knowledge again after becoming half mortal again based on non mortal knowledge of where to acquire it.
"you have to be pure of spirit" "pure what of spirit? no one said you couldn't be pure evil of spirit. Nothing good comes of making vague states absolute, all wasy to much wiggle room."
I alwasy wondered if the human form Anubis takes in this diner is the original form of the host he used to ascend and what became of that human host when Anubis ascended, as he clearly didnt acend in just his original goauld snake form?
The show runners love to play with the idea of the eternal fight between good and evil. Jimnubis is only defeated because he forced into a eternal fight and again the ori are finally defeated by Morgana
@@archangel6676It does exist, and these concept are there for a reason. They have originated for a reason. And If God exist, that's way more reason to believe in good and evil. And now, I do believe God exist. What is good and evil? Love is good, hatred is evil. What is good and evil? Unrighteousness is evil, righteousness is good. What is good and evil? Hurting a innocent being, with a consciencess - a being that can die, and you kill him. That's unrighteousness, and not love. That's evil. Nurturing the conscious innocent being and helping each other to have life is good. What is good and evil? Concepts based on true events.
Just a thought, but if anubus could only do what he was capable of as a guauld, and he was able to get ahold of ancient knowledge to help him ascend, AS A GUAULD, then wouldn't he still be capable of almost anything he imagined? Like, wtf?
Not everything. But he did use some of the knowledge he found pre-Ascension - he has superior technology to other Goa'ulds. The others allowed him to use it because he found it through "normal means". The information he gained as Ascended must have been extreamely limited, but still overwhelming, as he was one only a for a very limited time. Oma herself says "They warned him. He wasn't allowed to use any power or knowledge unless he otherwise would have gained as a goa'uld." It's also safe to pressume that after they forced him into lower planes of existence, and he had to follow the rules, he went on to find other sources of ancient technology in the milky way.
it makes no sense because their deception is what stops so many from seeing the truth and yet at the same time provides the perfect foundation for the game of earth and ascension we all apparently wanted to play
There is no salvation in ascension. Ascended beings and Higher Selves are not better than we are. Ahriman, Lucifer, Christ and the rest.. they all fight their own game and it does not lead to anything good.
Honestly, I thought the man in the cafeteria who is talking to Daniel is the Human, the previous vessel of Anubis. And Anubis is commanding his fleet in the normal existence realm.
I think the fire thing was just a choice for shock and awe. They wanted to appear all powerful and also strike fear into their followers. A wall of fire is really good at doing both of those things, especially when it comes to less-knowledgeable societies. On the other hand, I think it was also a deliberate writing choice. Stargate lore is known for a lot of "ancient aliens" kind of things. The Goa'uld are aliens parading around as ancient Egyptian Gods, the Asgard and their technology are direct parallels to Norwegian mythology, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if the concepts of heaven and hell were born from stories told of the Ori and the Ancients in their ascended forms.
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Wait isn't this the set from Dead Like me?
It is www.reddit.com/r/Stargate/comments/fjjyd/til_dead_like_mes_der_waffle_house_set_was_used/
I didn't know until I checked thanks
nearly the same
They also used the same whitehouse set from an X-Men movie in one or two epised when i remember right.
Same Studios in Vancouver with overlapping production teams.
I just realized anubis perfectly demonstrated how he can get away with the rules. Instead of telling daniel the answer, he guides him through what daniel already knows so he can figure out the answer. Brilliantly written.
Also brilliantly acted.
An notice how he never had his people praying or worshipping him, that is explain later on, if he started to collect followers that prayed to him that would enhance his ascension power, making a risk to the rest and he was frighten that would actually get them off their high horse and act against him instead of waiting for Oma to fight him in her own eternal battle.
That’s because he learned how to operate outside the rules by learning from Oma Desala. I mean he basically tells us he’s like Oma
@@DavidKnowles0 Exactly. I can't recall the exact episode, but there's a moment when he asks one of his subordinates to build a weapon. Once it's completed, the Goa'uld responds, saying, 'You could have built that weapon yourself.' Anubis replies that he could have, but doesn't explain why he chose not to. The reason is that Anubis possesses all the knowledge of the Ancients, along with his Goa'uld knowledge, but the Ancients forbade him from using their knowledge. He is only allowed to use his Goa'uld knowledge. However, here's where it gets tricky: it’s difficult to prove that he isn’t using his Ancient knowledge to build the weapon, so he had his lieutenant construct it instead.
Anubis' performance was fairly good. I was starting to trust him with the penny dropped. Shows how he was able to manipulate his way to ascension, and how he could be quite subtle when the situation called for it.
Unfortunately there are quite a lot of people in the world like Anubis! I never noticed until now, the man was reading the 'Ascended Times".
I knew there was something off with him the whole time but I was not expecting him to be anubis
@@zippacna I was kinda expecting it given the way Oma was annoyed with him!
@@zippacna Same here. It caught me by surprise.
SG-1 was one of the best written shows on TV.
Would have been hella disturbing if OG Anubis (in the cloak) would have dropped his hood and BAM, there's Jim.
wait I forgot, that heavy guy was annubis?
@@ironchef3500 Bingo.
@@ironchef3500 now hes getting it
I would have laughed so hard i would have hit the floor.
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Heavy is an understatement
I wish we'd seen more of Jimnubis beyond this episode. I liked Jim.
Boskov01 I like the word amalgamation
@@gerryfogarty8274 Wish I could lay claim to it but i saw it somewhere else.
Good guy Jim :D
@@vertie2090 Yeah, for a half ascended Go'uld who wants to rule the galaxy he isn't that bad🙃
@@kellyrayburn4093 he was just a bully victim by the other system lords. All he needed was some friends and sympathy #jesuisJimnubis
Thank you for posting this, it's one of my favorite episodes. I really like how ascension is portrayed/explained, and Anubis' actor was just the icing on the cake (that laugh too).
It’s weird...the idea that Anubis can be cordial and friendly in casual conversation
yeah.. while this was a fun scene and I enjoyed it, it's like the polar opposite of Anubis. Doesn't fit.
I mean why not?? Do you think Hittler or Stalin was evill for everyman one around them??
Mateusz Panasiuk it’s just odd, with how grandiose he is. Not really a matter of him threatening or doing evil acts, just how down to earth and social he can be.
@@vexxama For me its no difference. Loot of psychopaths behave normal.
To him, it was a manipulative game he played. He enjoyed befriending Daniel, revealing Oma is flawed and later big reveal. Like Dantes inferno, deceit is the worst sin and Anubis enjoyed it.
Anubis calling himself as bad as they come
He knows he's as bad as they come and he likes it that way.
@@VestedUTuber Yeah. He was having fun being bad. Never saw the appeal of it, myself. But then I like helping others. To each their own, I guess.
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
he was no ori. however this makes me want to see what was going on with the ascended when the ori came to visit our galaxy. that would be one interesting story parallel of the season 9 and 10 of sg1 and 4 and 5 of sga.
now i want them to make that series....
He's not wrong
I always liked the idea that Anubis and his host became actual friends like Sams dad and the other Tokra did with theirs. Just because the parasite is evil, doesn’t mean the host can’t be an evil fella to begin with. Maybe they ascended together as one
Ohhh thats a great point. I never thought of the host being just as evil
May be that was his ultimate crime the Goa'uld couldn't speak off, we thought it was something truly horrific but may it was the simply fact he melded and form a partnership with his host that was actually the crime they thought was so unspeakable.
@@Jon_EL Imagine the destroyer of worlds, with a Gou'ald for a companion.
Thats why i liked baal
The host heavily influences the Goa'uld. And yes an 'evil' host can find common cause with an evil goa'uld.
The metaphor of a dinner for the ascended plane is lowkey briliant.
I wish Skaara was in this episode, just acting like a nice face for Daniel to interact with!
Problem is, had Skaara been in the diner the viewer wouldn't have been able to believe that he wouldn't help Daniel in the end. Oma retains that doubt of what will happen, but we know Skaara would lay down his life for Daniel at any point if given the choice.
My bet is Oma is keeping Skaara and the other Abydonians away from Daniel at this point.
@@NATIK001 Makes sense, protecting them from banishment as they would want to help Daniel.
"If you deserve to be here you should be able to get here on your own!" Spot on! I agree thanks Anubis. I wish I could sit there with you and discuss ascension, life the universe and everything else with you. rather be in your company then these other ascended "stiffs" you got spirit Anubis.
its ironic because Daniel later quotes him to a Prior when discussing gaining power, ascension and technology. Then he scoffs when he realises.
but Anubis DID get where he is on his own. He used deception which is a natural trait of the Goul'd. He just used an ascended being to get where he wanted to go. Therefore, he showed what normally a Goul'd would do. That is why they can't completely get rid of him.
Because technically, he earned it. Just a different path to enlightenment.
How did Orlin know Sam so well when he entered her but Oma couldn’t tell he was tricking her? How do Goa’uld ascend as one being or two separate since the body is a host with its own personality?
@@2bituser569 fair point, they did not address this in details. Oma stated that when he came to Kheb he knew exactly what he was doing. This lacks a bit of consistency if you ask me.
Someone clever enough to trick an Ascended being, let alone a former Ancient, should not be beaten by mere humans so easaly, given the feat he accomplished to ascend he should be like ten steps ahead of every foe.
Ascencion is a physiological state of evolution, i guess every scentient being can acheive it. Goual'ds were nowhere evolved enough as a specie but again he was smart enough to have another being do the rest for him.
@@yumenokira7595 Just because he learned about ascension doesn't mean he knows everything about the Ancients or their technology (or at least that he would have without access to knowledge directly from being ascended, which he can't use without the other ascended beings smiting him). He was ultimately defeated using Ancient technology all the way around: Jack downloaded knowledge from the repository and used that to activate the weaponry in Antarctica.
@@BladeOfLight16 i'm aware of how he got defeated and his limitations as "half ascended" or whatever he was. What i mean is, the intelligence he displayed when tricking an ascended being is not really demonstrated from his return to his finale demise in se08, i know it's plot, at some point the bad guy must lose.
from what I've gathered Anubis can't do the ridiculous stuff other ascended can, but he still remembers being fully ascended but can no longer access the full breath of the knowledge he previously had access to and all his advancements are just what he remembers. An analogy is a very intelligent person from 1700 time travels to 2020 has full access to all knowledge and for a year studies like a mad man learning everything he can then at the end of the year he is sent back with only what he's learned, no reference material, no tech. That person can certainly have a profound impact in his time but is limited by what he has available and limited knowledge. I can fully explain how a jet flies and draw diagrams but could I build one from scratch only from memory probably not.
That's the pretty good analogy.
@@VeryDeathlyShiny that makes sense actually.
Very good analogy. I suppose the other trick would be playing to one's strengths, focus on studying what would be most useful. It'd be a lifetime's work to build, say, a plane if any of us were sent back 300 years, maybe even impossible. However, if a person from that time was someone powerful like a king (a close equivalent to a System Lord), they'd be able to achieve far more things with the future knowledge they'd acquired.
Except Anubis breaks that rule several times. Hell, he's doing it in that very episode.
didn't they say that he has the knowledge and power as any other ascended being but he can't use that power and knowledge (because then the anciets would intervene) and that is why he needs others.. he can do what he could as a goa'uld and if he gets ancient knowledge then he can use that, that is why he wanted Atlantis.. and that is why he needed SG1 to find the weapon on Dacara and Ba'al to link the stargates together.. Anubis knew it is there but he could not use his knowledge so he needed others to find it so he could use it without and ancients intervention
Would be interesting to see more of this side of Anubis. And explore the half ascended idea. Thanks for this upload by the way.
So, the limbo of the whole universe is an american diner where there's coffee, waffles and alien people called Jim.
I'm ok with that.
@Plush Hunter the limbo is perceived differently depending on the person. Daniel’s Grandpa took him here after the death of his parents so it has a certain significance for him
Waffle House really IS everywhere...
The diner was from one of Daniel's memories. Someone else being brought to "purgatory" would see something from his or her own memory.
@@callumdonington2227 same
These sequences were great, they reminded me of Twin Peaks at its eeriest.
I love this series and this episode is 1 of my favorites ❤️ Love how Anubis chooses the most common name of Jim 😂
Perhaps it was the name of his host. One person on here suggested the idea that his host was just as evil as he, allowing him to have a symbiotic relationship much the same as the Tok’ra, and thus allowing him to fool Oma.
Yes! I found this very interesting year's ago. The whole stargate think and traveling to other planets. Makes me want to watch it all over again. So long ago I have forgotten some of the episodes. Still think it has to do with Enki and Enlil....all the waring and trying to keep peace in the universe.
This is one of the best episodes of the show, so very well written, and when Daniel finds out the truth, wow! Very good episode!
Anyone else notice the ark of truth on that newspaper?
The device pictured on the newspaper from 4:00 onwards is the Dakara weapon console if that's what you mean. But given it's the same in-universe creators I'm not surprised the aesthetic is similar.
Shhhh 🤫
And in the meantime, they're still fighting.
yes! forever
It is nice to see George Dzundza, he kills it in this role. Small but impactful.
small?
Anubis the friendliest guy in the galaxy
I'd so love to see Anubis and Adria team up and come back with a brand new plan to take over the galaxy.
That would be awesome. Your giving me fanfic ideas. Serously the fact those two villains were both locked in asacanded battles just makes believe they ended up meeting down the line.
It was a great illustration of how Anubis fooled Oma - he's entirely likeable and convincing as a decent guy until he is revealed. It was amusing to him to lead Daniel to that truth, because he knew that Daniel wouldn't be able to stop him. Also, having Daniel realize what happened was a chance to further humiliate Oma.
My initial reaction to all of this was to wonder why Anubis wasn't content with being Ascended, but I guess it was the restrictions that the others put on him that soured it - he didn't want to answer to anyone.
how can you lead and control the galaxy, or beyond
when the first and cardinal rule is: no interraction
of course he wasn't content and on it's own had no way to force his way, the collective of ancient could smite him at will, no other choice but to step down
great!, thank you for posting! gonna look for the rest to watch! 😊👍
This show was awesome!
Honesty I’d love to see Anubis before as he was back then and what he did
Thank you 💙
For sharing. I have not watched any stargate.
Perhaps this is my time.
Thank you💜💚💙
Hulu has both SG1 and Atlantis in there.
Give a show a chance you might like it
Very true
Statgate is a great series but Babylon 5 is meh
@@saberiandream316 😂🤣😂🤣😂 dude you need to chill 😂🤣😂🤣 the show is meh that's my opinion only if your a fan of Babylon 5 thats cool
Kinda weird how the other ascended beings put up with the whole diner act.Anubis I could understand since he did it to mess with Daniel.
I assume it's like the Q Contiuum in Star Trek. When humans were there a world they could understand had to be created. What was shown was a representation of the Q Continuum but that wasn't how the Q lived. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Q_Civil_War
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Q_Continuum
@@AJ-bo8bn eat the Passover. something you must do your self. Who is the Anubis in the elevator trap with you Mr. green. The Enemy is always at the last place you would look for him.
The other eating the Passover meat and living water are done with Anubis their cup being clean passing the scale trial they are at a higher plane where Anubis cannot enter Daniel still need to eat he is not ascended yet and cannot pass the diner door Anubis still try to temp him with the news paper to imbalance the scale.
Makes sense that we wouldn't be able to understand the societies of the Ascended/Q Continuum. They're just flat out higher and beyond comprehension in the same way spiders have no way of comprehending human civilisations.
😆 thank you for the laugh!! Sending love and light 💛✨🙏✌🏼
Hello beautiful 😍 😊
Relax buddy 😂🤣🤦
4:10 only just now did I realize the man at the bar with the newspaper is the original Daniel Jackson from the first movie 😂.
Damn Ancients and all of their Rules. Anubis was Awesome. "Jim."
Were the ancients first race to ascend? If they weren't, would the other species that had descended before look down at them. like the ancients look down to us in the stargate world
In universe there's the whole thing related to the cosmic background radiation of the universe and how its believed to have been created from a structure at the centre of the universe. It's unknown if Rush was just making it up. If he ain't then that would put whatever built that structure miles ahead of the ancient and have probably left the dimension entirely to the multiverse level.
As the other poster mentioned there is the race mentioned in SG universe series that made the cosmic background radiation message. They may or may not also be the same race of planet builders who made the planet Eden. Additionally the never completed Stargate MMO game said the Furlings also traveled/ascended to another dimension according to production notes hence why they never appeared in the show. Interestingly the same game implied the Furlings are the reason the Goa’uld exist. Finally one of the Stargate Atlantis novels featured a female Asgard who ascended prior to her race’s cloning experiments and hence didn’t suffer from the genetic disease that would go on to plague and ultimately wipe out her species. The Asgard’s Pegasus cousins the Vanir would eventually try contact her in the book.
@@saberiandream316 good luck man. It is one hell of a trip.
Saberian Dream you have no idea what i added to this universe. It it beyond imagination. Go ahead man. I would love to join.
It possible other beings were already in the ascended realm before the ancients. For all we know the ancients are stuck in some reservation of the Ascended realm
Obviously, since Ori can become more powerful by draining their followers energy there must be variations in how powerful each ascended being becomes. Must be higher levels above the Ancients
Interesting.
Does this also hold true for half-ascended Anubis?
Technically speaking, could he be more powerful than any 1 single ascended ancient?
I’d say the ancients are more powerful since they don’t need worshiping to have their power
Sir Bobo
Ancients and Ori are both Altarans same species and at same level initially when ascended. but Ori sect found a way to accumulate more power their their ancient counterparts through their followers worship.
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He was referring to my comment about Anubis.
It stands to reason that the Ori are fewer in numbers. As mentioned by Orlin and later Daniel: The Ori do not share power. After the first few ascended, they probably prevented anyone else from reaching their level and most certainly didn't help others.
The Ancients however allowed others to ascend and even helped them. We heard about ascended Asgard, the Nox are quasi-Ascended and the Furlings have not been heard of so far, so they might have ascended as well. Ascension wasn't just the final solution after the Lanteans return to Earth - considering that there was research about Ascension in the Milky Way galaxy, there were probably Ancients ascending before the Plague came.
So while the Ori probably were a few dozen that drew power from millions or even billions, the Ancients were probably hundreds if not thousands. But without the power from the lower planes, they would've maybe lost a direct engagement with the Ori on the higher plane.
We have to keep in mind: The Ori wanted to hijack Danielmerlin's plan with the Sangreal to destroy the Ancients, because even with the power of both galaxies combined, a confrontation on their plane of existence would be risky - and some Ori might cease to exist in that confrontation, so a scenario where they wouldn't have to fight would've been preferable to them.
So all in all, I don't think an ascended Ancient is more powerful than an Ori - as we've seen in The Ark Of Truth, Morgen Le Fay was able to engage Adria after she lost her power, with no one having a clear advantage. The Ascended in the Milky Way just had greater numbers.
04:05 my Android isn't very big.
Is that picture on the newspaper the Pandora's Box from that Stargate Movie? The box of Origin or what ever it's called?
Ark of truth
They're all killing it in these eps, but george dzundza just owned this role of anubis.. great actor...
[Anubis in his spooky, scary black cloak drops into the white house]
"I.. am Anubis!"
President: "oh.. hey Jim, how´s it going?"
this actor play anubis so deeply.means he good to playing this character.
any one notice in this episode at 5:50 the paper shows the attac by the wraith on atlantis
That Newspaper is Amazing and Hilarious!
I wish the extended version of this episode was available. Every online source has the 43 minute version, instead of the 90. A lot is missing in the short one. In this very clip, there’s a whole part of the conversation missing after “Jim” explains rule #1.
I probably have it on tape still. Low quality though. It's weird that the full version isn't online since it doesn't need to fit into a tv time slot.
ho god, thx i didnt knew that but i felt what you said was true. i need to find it
What's weird is there was a dude who was ascended and came back with his memories, though he did gradually lose them, so there was *a way* just not a great one.
Also seems odd that Anubis gets to use knowledge he couldn't possibly have had a snake. It's said that he can't, but he clearly did several times
Oma said that Anubis must have found Ancient research on Asencion, so he probably translated Ancient and studied other Ancient research as well. Things like his shields, his clone, etcetera he probably actually had to work for, or at least the Ancients figured he would figure out anyways.
@@FormerBunsenBurner He likely didn't know anywhere near as much about ancient tech and what not. It honestly seems like the Ancients just gave that dude a pass specifically to force Oma to accept responsibility for her actions and set things right.
@@InfernosReaper that's exactly what it was. funny how they can bend the rules however they want just to get their way.
@@InfernosReaper no she said he was barred from using any knowledge and powers he couldn't have possessed as a non assended being, that just means he's unable to do anything beyond what a flesh and blood being is capable of doing. The problem is that basically means he was allowed keep the knowledge and powers of every unassended civilization in the galaxy. That basically means he had the brains of the asgard and the ancients and the powers of the knox and potentially the wraith and any other species. At least thats how I read it.
Merlin did too. I think the problem was that the knowledge they had was way beyond what a brain could handle. I think that they could take human form with a lot of knowledge, but I am also pretty sure that their collective required them to wipe their memories. Its kind of like allowing them to take human form and "end" their immortal existence through life and death again.
The whole thing would have been undercut if he could just remember what he could do while ascended. He was able to appear to appear to Jack before; he could do it again.
The point was that Daniel was stuck in the halfway area, like Oma and Anubis, since they were the only three to show any kind of actual activity there. He either was literally incapable of appearing back, or would just have his memory wiped again if he tried.
And my point is that Daniel has been fully ascended before, and actually appeared to Jack. Once ascended, he could in fact go back and give them information.
@@ZipplyZane he can only do what the other let him
fully up or not is not the point, even a full fledge ancient can't go against the rule, look what hapen to morgan la fe the moment she tried to cross the line, she was stopped on the moment without uttering a single extra word
Ascension may very well be the reason why we dont see any aliens - The concept deserves to be considered among the Fermi Paradox solutions.
Is it really so far-out to consider a solution where a species may evolve to a point it can shed its natural form, or perhaps evolve beyond the 3 known dimensions?
No, it doesn't. It's as likely as any internally consistent concept you can make up.
We haven’t even scratched the surface of the universe yet. We’ve only directly observed tiny amounts of the universe and have had very little time to do it. Not to mention that we have very little idea of what an alien civ will look like in our instruments’ data.
Imagine looking for a needle in a haystack - while not even knowing what a needle looks or feels like. And under that analogy we’ve just barely started.
I recommend you check out science and futurism with Issac Arthur he has a lot of videos on the fermi paradox including one I believe on the idea of ascended aliens among many other awesome videos about space travel and future tech he's right here on the youtube.
The thing i admired about ascension is that the most powerful upgrade as a mortal being is based on buddhism and the journey to enlightment. Including the non-interference requirement which is part of giving up your mortality.
Buddah is burning in hell
@@ProjecthuntanFish hell isn't real and neither is ascension. If ascension was real though I couldn't imagine a worse hell. All of eternity knowing everything but never doing anything with the knowledge. Higher plane concepts are not thought out very well.
@@cleanerben9636 Its real and unless you turn to Jesus you will go there
@@ProjecthuntanFish no thanks. Human sacrifice and blood rituals are barbaric.
@@cleanerben9636 Now we know how God feels. ;) Well you died. Kinda the point to let go of everything and let the universe work itself out.
Nobody:
Subtitles 1:14 : ...we ran into each other last time you were a Santa...
Rule one..no higher being should leave lower being's to die forever..we all ascend one day..❤😇😉
Here's my question, why did Anubis choose that human form, did he think it was the best for the job at hand. Was it the human he was in when he did ascend, or was it a different human maybe his favorite one.
It’s hard not to like Jim
I thought this was what Anubis looked like before he Ascended
everything we see is done from Daniel's point of view. supposedly his human mind needed the diner and other humans as a way to comprehend what was happening. It also is to give us the audience a way to follow along
0:25 is this not literally just the Q continuum?
yes, me from what felt like more than 2 weeks ago
I'd have to check - this is very reminiscent of ST:VOY "Death Wish" - visualization of Q Continuum.
so true. just blah...but that was a dusty road with nothing going on...forever...and this is breakfast on Sunday morning...forever...ugh
I try to forget Voyager had a Q episode, because it was godawful and contradicted much of that was established about the Q.
@@InfernosReaper they helped ruin the borg, and ruined the Q. pretty much par for the course for Voyager.
@@Shiirow Nah, this talk about 'runing the Borg' is overblown and Death Wish was great episode, that kinda solved omnipotence paradox.
I thought it might be interesting to find someone who infiltrated the Ori in a similar fashion and was sent "half way back." Of course there would have to be some explanation as to why this being wasn't sent all the way back or worse. After all the Ori didn't pull punches and drew power from worshippers prior to the Ark of Truth.
Gregory Matthews they also didn’t ascend anyone
They died before Ark of Truth (well, they were nullified). The last Ori was Vala’s daughter.
At 2:27, the voices are out of sync with the dialogue.
Its interesting in hindsight how the Others restraining Anubis, Daniel etc. might also be to not draw the attention of the Ori.
What is the actress' name who plays the waitress ?
Anubis enjoys toying with people!!
That's an interesting news paper
Now I see a Twin Peaks influence on this scene.
Hows that???
I'm still confused - he'd have died at the Battle of Earth when his spaceship was destroyed, if he had been a Goa'uld. He only survives by being this amorphous spirit. Most would say that is using a power gained from his partial ascendancy.
It's never even discussed and it drove me nuts
It was kind of explained though, but it was very indirect. Anubis uses his half-ascended powers after his corporeal body died to possess a few people, and eventually his illusion was discovered and he was sent to a backwater lifeless, frozen planet. It's not known how he managed to escape, but we can assume he used his ascended powers to do so. As for why nothing was done about that immediately, we know from all of the interactions between Oma, Anubis, the other ascended Ancients, and Daniel, that there are a lot of complications around how to handle Anubis.
Oma was being punished by the other Ancients for helping Anubis ascend. Her punishment was to watch Anubis wreak havoc on the galaxy and sit idly by as it happened. The others did not want to step in and deal with him if he ever tried to use his ascended powers, because it would mean breaking the rules (since he was still considered a mortal). It was solely up to Oma. If Anubis ever got out of hand, Oma had to be the one to take control of the problem.
It all comes to fruition when Anubis has seized control of Dakara, and is prepared to end all life in the galaxy. He had already used his powers to get to that point, so Anubis had technically broken the conditions set by the others. Oma decided to finally step in to fight Anubis. She forces him to fully ascend and presumably keeps him in an eternal struggle that will continue until the heat death of the universe. Or longer. Who knows. She said that nobody can kill him.
TL;DR Oma had to be the one to "take care" of Anubis for breaking the rules, and that's what ends up happening.
@@spartan456 Actually, Oma said she can't kill him and Daniel can't. What I got was that she implied the Others CAN but WON'T.
After all, it isn't a punishment for Oma if they can't kill Anubis, it's just a fact of life.
The Others are immoral idiots, putting Anubis ahead of billions or trillions of people.
Because he's half ascended he can't completely die that's why he survived. That's not "using his powers" that's just his form of existence now. A form that the ancients chose for him - for whatever reason.
It is somewhat discussed. Like the ancients Anubis's body is still made of energy. However due to the plane of existence he is in he can not interact with the universe like anyone else would. This is why he has his cloak. The cloak allows him to interact with the universe like any lower mortal. It also serves as a container keeping him inside. In the episode "Full Circle" the first ascended Daniel discovers all this. However he loses all that knowledge because he steps in to prevent Anubis from destroying the people of Abydos and Oma has to step in to prevent him from stopping Anubis as he is still "following his end of the agreement". He does tell the rest of SG1 what before trying to stop Anubis.
At the Battle of Antarctica when his flagship is destroy his body is not destroyed. However he is without his cloak or personal force shield and thus can no longer interact with the world. This is because he is a being of some kind of energy. He can not be killed with regular weaponry and even Merlin's weapon may not kill him depending on how exactly his state of existence works. It is known that he can possess people for a short amount of time as shown in "Lockdown". This isn't something that ascended beings are known to do if they can at all. Whatever his state of existence is does seem to allow him to do so and if it was breaking the agreement he made with the other ascended beings then Oma or they would be stepping in.
However it can be said that he does seem to run the line a little. This is especially obvious in the technology and soldiers he employs. He is able to breed loyal Kull warriors and their armor that is capable of blocking any weapon and absorbing any energy fire. His flagship also had an incredibly powerful superweapon that was able to destroy multiple Goa'uld motherships on a single charge. However if the ascended ancients believed that he had run the line too much then they would have stepped in. They probably allowed it and maybe even at times cross over because as Oma says, in the episode this clip was pulled from, she still runs the line. The whole reason he wasn't sent back was as @spartan456 has said, "Oma was being punished by the other Ancients for helping Anubis ascend".
tl;dr Anubis exists on a plane between humans and ascended beings. His body can not be harmed nor destroyed as a human body could. However he can not interact with the world without a body or some kind of personal force shield like his cloak. Oma continues to run the line of what is okay. And this allows him to continue running the line and using ascended knowledge at times.
@@Cotcan Ori are able to possess people like the Doci. So technically the ascended should be able to do so, but won't do it. Anubis doesn't (have to) care about the rules of the ascended.
Great editing.
I'm a bit confused. Why is Anubis talking to Daniel? Would of thought he would of wanted to make sure Daniel was as clueless as possible to prevent any sort of interference with his plan
Because he finds it fun I expect
For the laughs
He was basically untouchable. As long as he didn't "break the rules" (like using the powers, only technology he acquired), then Oma couldn't do anything and so couldn't Daniel. So why not having some fun on the higher plane of existence while doing the everyday Goa'uld stuff in the mortal world?
That’s why the monk tells Bratac he has to get rid of his symbiote first to ascend because Oma does not want to make the same mistake again. I just thought of that. 😮
What I love about ascension is that it explains why God does not interfere. To interfere would mean risking greater damage with zero accountability and to deny free will. They would worship the ancients like they do with the ori. Their path would be directly controlled by their gods. The danger of faith is beyond our understanding because faith is incapable of rational understanding. It is nothing more than a leap through belief in something that cannot be proven. Considering that God exists, the Jews always followed the Torah because to refuse would mean death. No free will at all. That is merciless and cruel. You can argue that to let millions die as they are doing right now would be cruel as well. Every time you try to do the right thing is always a risk that usually fails because we have a faulty understanding of morality. That is why logic must be used.
"Old Ancient research" No one calls themselves the ancients. Thats an unwanted title given by others.
its a simplification of titles... or how aliens dumb themselves down to human standards.
which made stargate different and more inclusive to general watchers...less technobabble, more relatable.
the research is pretty old.... ancient is a term to describe the age of something.
So you have he choice of either being viewed as pedantic, or straight up dumb.
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Doesn't make the research less ancient though. Don't know why you're capitalizing Ancient but. Are you saying he used modern research?
We're seeing things through DanielVision.
This kinda reminds me of the final episode of quantum leap
My favorite TV show 👍
sadly a few question rising there
only pure heart can ascend? i'd dare to say ori doesnt quite qualify, did they invent en ascending machine on their own side after them and ancient split path?
and anubis is clearly, to an extend, using knowledge he couldnt have acquired on his own :/
You know this makes wonder why didn't the Nox ascend? They must seen some kinda of limitation being in that form, because in my opinion the Nox should have ascended before the Ancients did. Watching them all be free of body and yet so limited in choice and options especially concerning Anubis makes me wonder what the Nox think of ascension. At least that particular plain of ascended beings, there could be other plains with their own advantages and limitations.
Come on Brad Wright bring Stargate back so I can see more of this beautiful universe!
maybe they're not that evolved yet. the alterans were by far the race with the biggest knowledge, and possibly the oldest we've seen in SG. even the asgard recognize that there are so much information in the repository of knowledge that they haven't even scratched the surface of it, and these repositories are from before their voyage to the pegasus galaxy, which gave the alterans a lot more time to evolve an aquire more knowledge.
i think the nox aren't there yet, but maybe very close.
Ascension is a choice. Just because you have the level and ability to do it doesn't mean you would do it. The Nox just never felt the need to ascend for the ones we see.
@@adventwolfbane Its my personal headcannon that the Nox are completely capable of ascending, but they simply choose not too because they want the alternative. Oma told Daniel that if he walked through the door without being ascended we would be choosing the alternative, aka death, whatever death really is. The Ancients, given their stuck-up and arrogant nature probably became so obsessed with ascension because they fear true death, while I think the Nox embrace it, allowing themselves to pass on naturally after a long life.
I wish Anubis has been this charismatic all of the time.
Just seeing this Episode 8.18 at 8:18pm. I remember it well.
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Reminds me of Chris Brown's new song titled "Undecided". He's an Aquarius.
Does it seem to anyone their voices aren't keeping up with the scenes of this episode? That's what it looks to me.
so the first time anubis went to ohma's planet he was dying, was it because of the go'auld attack, or because he was fat?
"There's a storm in the air, it's coming closer
I can tell that we swim in trouble waters
And the fate of the worlds, above and under
Unstable like fire"
Michael putting emphasis on those word.
The In between above and under is our reality. Those word mean that somehow everyone will be affected including lower and higher plane.
"What's the meaning of pain without a sweetener
Decipher the ultimate enigma"
""Cascading Effect""
Does anyone there know of any website that has the SG1 series available online ??
legal? Not sure, some say it's available in some countries in amazon prime, since I can't find it in streaming services i use dailymotion
James Spader is my Dr. Jackson... FOR!!! EVER!!! but the show is pretty good.
There's sync issues :(
That's because Anubis is projecting himself there and as we all know sound travels much slower than light does. BOOM explained
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Is the audio/video out of phase on just my end, or is this just a very poor edit?
wait... didn´t anubis break that rule multiple times? i mean he was clearly more advanced than any other goa´uld and had way more knowledge than them
Oma says he went to Kheb already aware of ascension. Who knows what other Ancient knowledge he had already? Pity he didn't leave a ZPM factory behind somewhere.
I reckon he was bending the rules and walked a fine line quite often if not constantly, eg overarching knowledge he gained as an ascendant meaning he "knows where to look" so to speak for certain devices and tech and direct people in how to develop them, all of which is theoretically possible to achieve. Of course there's times he could have gone beyond the pale and slapped down a few times which the viewer is unaware of. Just being in that Diner is bending the rules and pushing the limit and of course Oma tells him to get out
@@ryanoftinellb I don't think he knew too much, otherwise he would have had his ships able to defend against advanced Asgard models or the Ancient Drone missiles. He was probably aware of Ancient ascension philosophy and who Oma was which could have just been from teachings or tablets etc
@@NUFCMVFC I think creating Khalek with near ascended powers would be considered one of those times
They said he could use knowledge he wouldn't have as a mortal didn't say he couldn't officially gain access to any knowledge again after becoming half mortal again based on non mortal knowledge of where to acquire it.
That's kinda his job description... the newspaper...? "That's complicated. Yeah what isn't a round here..." So Horcrux see...
I would like to know what happened to the other people she helped and why is it the only answer to fighting evil is eternal fighting
La gente del bar cómo sí nada, viendo la pelea...😅
"you have to be pure of spirit"
"pure what of spirit? no one said you couldn't be pure evil of spirit. Nothing good comes of making vague states absolute, all wasy to much wiggle room."
Jimubis’s acting was great
Considering the Ori exist,
I'd say the Pure of Spirit does not imply if it's Pure Good or Pure Evil.
I alwasy wondered if the human form Anubis takes in this diner is the original form of the host he used to ascend and what became of that human host when Anubis ascended, as he clearly didnt acend in just his original goauld snake form?
The first time I saw this all I could think of was Dead Like Me....then the guy below posted about it and I'm late to the party >_>
What was wrong with his old bus? Wah wah.
Anubis being so casual here is even more creepy because he doesn't feel a bit of guilt.
The eternal fight between good and evil
Ying and yang a Constant balance and a constant fight.
good and evil don't exist, these are concepts created by us to try and quantify what is going on around us.
The show runners love to play with the idea of the eternal fight between good and evil. Jimnubis is only defeated because he forced into a eternal fight and again the ori are finally defeated by Morgana
@@archangel6676It does exist, and these concept are there for a reason. They have originated for a reason. And If God exist, that's way more reason to believe in good and evil. And now, I do believe God exist. What is good and evil? Love is good, hatred is evil. What is good and evil? Unrighteousness is evil, righteousness is good. What is good and evil? Hurting a innocent being, with a consciencess - a being that can die, and you kill him. That's unrighteousness, and not love. That's evil.
Nurturing the conscious innocent being and helping each other to have life is good. What is good and evil? Concepts based on true events.
@@archangel6676Yeshua is Lord. Pray to Him. John 1.
Why is the audio so out of sync?
"somehow" anubis tricked oma = a shameless deus ex machina
Just a thought, but if anubus could only do what he was capable of as a guauld, and he was able to get ahold of ancient knowledge to help him ascend, AS A GUAULD, then wouldn't he still be capable of almost anything he imagined? Like, wtf?
Not everything. But he did use some of the knowledge he found pre-Ascension - he has superior technology to other Goa'ulds. The others allowed him to use it because he found it through "normal means". The information he gained as Ascended must have been extreamely limited, but still overwhelming, as he was one only a for a very limited time. Oma herself says "They warned him. He wasn't allowed to use any power or knowledge unless he otherwise would have gained as a goa'uld." It's also safe to pressume that after they forced him into lower planes of existence, and he had to follow the rules, he went on to find other sources of ancient technology in the milky way.
They have to show the truth about all the deception !!! People who understand what I'm saying will agree !!!
it makes no sense because their deception is what stops so many from seeing the truth and yet at the same time provides the perfect foundation for the game of earth and ascension we all apparently wanted to play
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There is no salvation in ascension. Ascended beings and Higher Selves are not better than we are.
Ahriman, Lucifer, Christ and the rest.. they all fight their own game and it does not lead to anything good.
Now if only anubis had used the orai method then he'd have become a spooky man made out of fire.
I have always assumed Jim is what Anubis looked like before he ascended
DId anyone ever notice that in The Ascended Times are spoilers for both Atlantis and Universe?
Honestly, I thought the man in the cafeteria who is talking to Daniel is the Human, the previous vessel of Anubis.
And Anubis is commanding his fleet in the normal existence realm.
4 god forsaken ads on a 5min video?! What are you the IRS?! Good video thou
Does ascending in different galaxies make you look different? Ori look like flames.
I assume you can take any form after ascending. The fire was likely a choice. Maybe if somebody had a fire extinguisher they could put out the Ori.
I think the fire thing was just a choice for shock and awe. They wanted to appear all powerful and also strike fear into their followers. A wall of fire is really good at doing both of those things, especially when it comes to less-knowledgeable societies.
On the other hand, I think it was also a deliberate writing choice. Stargate lore is known for a lot of "ancient aliens" kind of things. The Goa'uld are aliens parading around as ancient Egyptian Gods, the Asgard and their technology are direct parallels to Norwegian mythology, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if the concepts of heaven and hell were born from stories told of the Ori and the Ancients in their ascended forms.
No, Ascended still look the same in SGA. The flame thing is either a choice or a result of an evolutionary rather than a spiritual Ascension process.
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The fear thing is implied to be the Ancient's doing by associating Ori imagery with the Demonic in the minds of Milky Way humans.
@@unintentionallydramatic I know, that's why I said it was also possibly a deliberate writing choice.
almost wonder if "Jim" was what Anubis' host looked like