Klein Plier Wrench w/ Reversible lower jaw and 1/2 Cobra performance. Heavy but versatile You Decide
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- www.homedepot.... The Klein Plier Wrench D53010 is a 10" water pump style plier with a reversible lower jaw allowing for two parallel smooth jaws, or one smooth and one angled tooth-filled lower jaw. It is more the same than different compared to the Knipex Plier Wrench and Cobra. The Klein is heavier than the comparable sized Plier Wrench by Knipex, and much heavier than the Cobra.
What do you think?
At Home Depot: www.homedepot....
4:15.. That reversible pipe jaw is literally for grabbing pipe and spinning it or holding pipe... you can use it on the nut or bolt end but it's mostly for grabbing pipe..
8:20.. flip the pliers over...and try that...🤔
I have a different version Of the pipe jaw pliers (adjustable wrench style) like these it actually does bite pretty well like a pipe wrench when you flip it around...
Good points. I assume that orientation, like a pipe wrench, would make a performance difference. Thanks for watching.
@@lastbesttool you bet...love your channel Doc...👍
I was going to comment about this being a useless combi-tool for cycling as in Cobra mode (un)torquing rounded nuts might well damage the surface of the top jaw slightly, making the pliers wrench mode more marring on the new fixing. However, I completely take your point that this is a plumbing tool designed mainly for pipes (in Cobra mode) and cosmetic damage to fasteners is not generally an issue in plumbing (unless it's final fix on a bathroom or something I guess?)
It's designed for an electrician running ridged conduit since Klein is first a company for that trade, some sparky tools can come in useful in the plumbing trade as well.
I’m a Knipex diehard but I have to say, with all of the cobra and pliers wrench clones popping up, this at least feels like some exciting innovation. And definitely feels like Klein designed it in their style: US steel, multi-function, more robust. I applaud this! Definitely better than the Icon clone and I can see this working for certain buyers.
職人が使うには中途半端で一般人が使うには高価な品⁉️かな？
Sold. I love my Knipex Cobra pliers, but have been waiting for a USA made version of the pliers wrench. This is even more versatile with the flip-able jaw.
ブランドは何⁉️
The toothed jaw is for wrenching on pipe, klein makes a standard adjustable with the same concept and they work surprisingly well
Probably need both jaws to be toothed, probably will slip too much with one jaw being flat
was going to say the same
@@lilcourtny08 the one toothed one smooth thing works better than you would think. But obviously not as good as the cobras or a traditional pipe wrench. If you're looking for something to save space in your toolbag I would easily recommend the standard adjustable version, I feel the handles may handicap this version
Interesting tool, the reversible jaw is very similar to my Irega adjustable wrench, the serrated side is for pipes, not for hex fasteners, only for round objects. But I don't like the handles touching together. Knipex solved this year's ago with a proper pinch guard.. In my experience the multifunctional tools come with compromises. I think the cobra is better, is my most used tool, but when I have to be careful with finished surfaces I use the plier wrench. But I like the adjusting lever on the Klein very similar to my gedore pliers. But I agree with you, on multiple jaw designs, maybe they come up with something more useful. 👍👍👍
私の知るところ、ジョーの切り替えはバーコのモンキーレンチが最初だと思いますが、あれから何十年経っても採用してる工具は少ないので、これ以上の進化は、とてもペースが遅いです。
I was a career electrician and was exceedingly loyal to Klein. I still like their screwdrivers and many of their traditional pliers. I like their thin jaw and wide opening jaws on their adjustable wrenches. I always passed on their grooved lock Channel Lock pliers in favor of Channel Lock brand... Until I began using Knipex. Knipex is king of this market. Knock offs are still substandard. I will pass on this new Klein as it is too clunky for me and doesn't do either job as well as Knipex. I think they tried to kit a sweet spot for electricians that will settle for one tool. Electricians often don't require pipe wrench torque for pipe and don't require wrench torque for hex fasteners. I prefer tools that do a single job exceedingly well over multi function tools that perform substandard.
専門職のごもっともな御意見ですね😊
一般大衆向けと考えたらとても便利なアイテムだと思います。
普段はプライヤーレンチとして使い、たまにウォーターポンプにすれば元は取れそう。
一般人がウォーターポンププライヤーを使うのは人生の中で数える程しかないので２丁持つより、こっち１つ持ってれば済みそう
Thank you for reviewing this and comparing to Knipex. You’ve satisfied my curiosity.
I almost got these when I first came across them and I’m glad I didn’t. Maybe if they go on sale sometime, but after watching this I don’t think these are for me. Thanks for another thoughtful review.
86 02 250 are the black finish Knipex Pliers Wrench with comfort grip handles. I really like them!
I’m looking forward to see what improvements they will make on the reversible jaw. The push button being closer to the handle is much better then Knipex’s push button near the head. But frankly the price is quite staggering. Once a few more improvements are made along with those plastic jaw covers thrown into the mix I could see myself just having two of them to lighten the bag instead of having 2 cobras, 1 crescent wrench, and one pliers wrench.
It's got potential, like a version 1.0, but I won't be getting it until the lower jaw doesn't fall out like that, and the top jaw can also be flipped to cobra.
The easier to reach adjustment is a good idea.
I'll definitely be keeping an ear out for design improvements.
I like where your mind was going at the end. The Klein pliers wrench can easily be a platform for a few different jaws.
Doc, I 'think' the Klien being a reversible jaw model, the reason for the serrated side to not be parallel is because its for gripping round surfaces like pipes not hex fasteners. The Bahco reversible jaw adjustable wrenches are the same.
この先生は実践経験が無いので平行じゃない理由を分からないでレビューしている。
只の工具集めを趣味にしてる人だろう。全ての工具がピカピカで働いた形跡が無い😅
Beat me to these doc. Glad you did a video on em!
seems like the reverse side is for rounded pipe vs a nut maybe?
The pliers are not designed to go back and forth it has the cam in it you would have to turn the pliers around to get the use of the cam to help with slipping. Nice review!
First off; great video! 👍. I am a Knipex fan, their tools are AMAZING. But, these Klein are the real deal. If used for their intended purpose, no knipex comes close. Think about it, they are designed for electrical work. I used them on ridgit conduits and wow they perform. There is no perfect tool if the user doesn't know how to use it. No insult intended; but you can't use pliers to hold a harded bolt.
Nice❗
Was wondering about those... looks like with just a few design iterations they'll have most of the bugs solved.
It'll be interesting to see reviews of them after some extended every day hard use.
And like my dad used to say, 'The more _things_ something does, the fewer _things_ it does well'.
お父さん❗名言✨
I was hoping reversible meant that when you squeeze the handles, the Jaws act as a spreader
jack of trades, master of none.
良い名言✨
I would like to try one , a shorter version could come in very handy !
I like most Klein tools and this appears to be good innovation and differentiation within the pliers market. But, if you are already bought into the Knipex brand for your pliers needs, not sure many would switch.
Klein has done a lot of things right. Surprised this one made production.
I was ready to pull the trigger on these but now seeing your review I think I will stick to my knipex for now.
Would be awesome if the upper jaw had a fixture (maybe magnetic) that would allow you to slide both the moving jaw and the gripping part of the fixed jaw out and replace it with something else entirely. I could see pump pliers, maybe sheet metal bending jaws (wide flat ones), Jaws with screw extractor type teeth, etc. Could be really neat.
より中途半端な製品
Those pliers design is most likely made for when flipped to the tooth side is for conduit nuts since Klein make tools for the electrical industry
私もそう思います。
レビューしてる人達は結構無知です😂
I think I'll stick with my Knipex pliers wrench and cobras.
The fact that the bottom jaw comes out so easily is concerning to me. I’m not sure how often you would switch orientation to begin with.
saving the weight here could be the absolute key for some people. I like the flush ness the knipex brings, makes it a little more versatile for some of the playing around I do, but I'm not sure it's as practical as strength. I don't know on this one. the knipex plier wrench are expensive in some shops, not $50 I assure you. yes you can get them sometimes for that but that's unusual I would say. Closer to $60 every time I've looked on avg.
It’s an interesting tool, I’ll give them that. I like how they are keeping it American steel. I like their lever design and I like how they want to have something like Knipex but don’t want to outright copy them. So that’s admirable. Would I buy it? Well at 49.97 Home Depot listing price, if I need a second pliers wrench I think I would.
$49.95 for that? Meh, I'd stick with the Knipex.
Technically they are Knipex..made by the same manufacturer...I have other Klein branded Knipex pliers.. they're the same
@@boosted2.4_sky Klein made in Germany? Definitely not made by Knipex. Those are made by NWS
Yeah I bet you wanted the Nazis to beat America in WW2...lol jk
I agree they look fine but if I was in the market for a new pliers wrench I would still get another set of knipex. As much as I like buying American knipex pliers are just so good and I have slowly been converting my pliers too them as older ones wear out, they are absolutely worth the extra money, on project farm's channel the Cobra pliers where the only ones that could maintain reasonable grip on tool steel.
@@htr5372 I have heard the icon ones from harbor freight are good but they are $40 which at that price I might as well just get the knipex. Also I don't remember the full pliers line up (there were like 15 or 16) but gedore was definitely one of them, which they did well and beat knipex in a few tests but overall knipex did very well. Also I would buy a different brand if someone convinced me it was better, just like I don't think these klien pliers are bad I'm just not sold over knipex, my tools are my lively hood so I don't mind spending extra for good tools.
That lever design reminds me of the hazet lever design. Also just got some vessel screwdrivers based on your reviews thanks.
The concept draws intrigue. Seeing the way it works, it looks inadequate and won’t hold a candle to the Cobras. It may look as good as the Pliers wrench but the sheer wobble of the lower jaw tells me otherwise.
I pronounce Knipex like Knievel.
At full closure the Kleins look like they will fit a pocket much better than the Knipex. From my understanding the flat jaws are designed for hex fasteners and flat stuff and the reverse Cobra jaw is a single-tasker for round pipe. Good point about the potential for drop-in jaws with different designs.
the way you pronounce knipex is correct it's inline with how the company employees on their own videos pronounce it.
Evil Knipex.
That's a cool take on that style tool.
The reversible jaws would just be for pipe
I like the different button.
Was waiting the whole time for the parrot jaw lol. I IMMEDIATELY bought those while knipex bundling on chadstoolbox. And boy let me tell you; I haven't found ONE THING...that they are usefull for lol. Ither than looking pretty in my top knipex drawer.. at least at Mack Volvo ; those things have proven to be garbage over and over. I keep my 5" cobra and Sometimes my 175 PW in my pocket depending in what's happening but that parrot thing is something else lol
An interesting idea, and now that Knipex patents have run out, we are likely to see all sorts of variations. I already have almost every size of the Knipex and multiples of some, so I don't think these offer anything important enough for me to purchase them. With more thought and innovation, that could change.
Looks a cool tool. I have a fair few pairs of both cobras and pliers wrenches though so probs won't be in a rush to get a set of these, but if I seen um on discount somewhere ,they may slip into the basket
Great review- going to add one to my HVAC tools. I already have the knipex ones but would be great to save some bag space. I use. My klien tools more then anything anyways. Knipex would be next. Mainly depending on my job I get.
Got mine yesterday. It had a bonus 5 quarts of oil that came on the tool.
I feel like this concept would work better with the edc crowd in a smaller configuration. Most electricians would just carry both tools if needed.
i brought one , i opened the package and notice rust on both sides of the tool . also the handles are crooked . when you close they don't line up! the klein has alot of play!
I guess the Cobra-style jaw doesn't have to be as good for flat-sided things like nuts because they expect you to use the Pliers-Wrench-style jaw for those.
i have 3 pairs of knipex which i bought cause they looked neat. but i don't like them because of the button being at the head.the jaws don't move enough so you have to get them the right size ahead of time. the way i use them i can't reach the fastener so having to pull them out and adjust then reach back in to a tight area is a pain. the way klein does it looks way better.
5:10 is for getting around a patent, probably. These seem like a decent set of do-all truck pliers though
The "k" in knipex is not silent in German so you are pronouncing it correctly
I'm not so keen on these Kleins. I have one Knipex, and it is good.
Maybe the Capri Pliers Wrench ? They look good.
The Klien geometry seems to be a bit off, I see no reason to jump from my Knipex. I do like the release mechanism being further down the handle in the Klien though, think they are onto something there. BTW I've got the Gedore Red tool advent calander, it's pretty decent, anyone else got a good tool calender this year? Very thorough review as always, cheers.
I like the idea of it… but I think I’m sticking with Knipex…. For now. Ah who am I kidding, I will probably buy these too 😂
Looks like it does two versions in one tool that will perform “ok” instead of two tools doing what they intend to do…“great”
Would be a good tool for a bag that needs the space though.
Thanks so much for the video, really showed everything 👍
Y’all see what Matco is asking for the 3 piece green handle knipex cobra set?? $259 wtf
Wouldn't that reversed jaw be more useful for grabbing onto things like pipe and round stock? The ledge on the bottom jaw would prevent round objects from rolling out.
It's cool
Do you actually look something about VBW Germany? they produce mostly Swedish pipe wrenches... and bolt cutters... and other forged stuffs...
Im concerned it’s going to be one of those tools that fails to replace my current set up. Then ends up in the spare tool tool box for years.
It would be interesting to have the pliers wrench design with the cobra jaws for even more leverage. But with this tool, the pipe wrench side just doesn't work well enough due to the flat top jaw. For something like really tight pipes, it seems that the pliers would crush it before grabbing properly.
have you used it though or are you just looking at it and making the assumption? Because the behavior of pipe wrenches and leverage and their design, often it's one side that does the vast majority of work. You may be wrong in yoru assumption, this product is pretty new so I'm thinking you haven't touched it.
Klein is the leader in electricians tools and if they put it out then it works if not they wouldn't let hit hit the market with their name on it
このようなハーフコブラと呼ばれる機構は昔からパイプレンチとして使われて来ましたので問題有りませんが確かにアリゲーターと比べたら性能は低いです
It'd a great concept, it really is but the handle is a little too sloppy and the angle of that jaw is not universally functional like Knipex
Klein has a great start buy they need to improve it
The toothed side is for pipes, not nuts 🙄
It’s interesting…wonder how well it will work in real world situations. Sometimes things like these tools are ok but not good :) Live confidently and peacefully
This is just getting silly now. We need some self adjusting pliers wrench.
The Cobra is a pipe wrench meant for round pipe you can grab on to other fasteners but meant for round pipe
Trying to compete with Knipex and the result is so sad.
If possible, I’d like to see you test it on 3/4” gas black iron gas pipe, because that’s what
I primarily use my cobras for, and they handle it excellently. Right now I carry 1 SmartGrip pliers, 1 regular cobra and 1 pliers wrench, and this could save me some space in my toolbag.
Very cool concept by Klein. Unfortunately, I would lose that removable jaw most likely on day one. That reverse jaw alignment not lining up on the flats of the nut like the Cobra's do is either an unfortunate engineering oversight or just poor design. Im sticking with my Knipex plier wrench and pliers for the time being. Might add some of these Kleins to the tool bag if they tweak them a bit more.
It's not supposed to line up with hex nuts, it's for pipes. It says on the advertisement it was designed for tightening RMC.
The Kleins are not ready for prime time yet.
👍👍👏👏👏
Once In A while KLEIN TOOLS Puts Their Name On A Tool That Never Makes It.
where can you find the knipex plier wrench for 50 dollars ?
クニペックスのプライヤーレンチは汎用性が有りそうだけど必要性が無い。
クニペックスのウォーターポンププライヤーはアリゲーターを使ったら他のは使えない名品である。
クラインツールのこれは仮称･ハーフコブラと呼ばれてるが昔から同じ構造の工具は存在してた。クラインツールは電設職人用の工具ブランドなのでウォーターポンププライヤーとして使うのを想定していない。電設作業の合間に出てくる電線配管用に一石二鳥の機能を有した製品である。
All you proved is you don’t know how to use a pipe wrench. Single direction on soft metal( not hardened bolt.). This is lighter and more comparable to the combo adjustable wrenches by Klein and craftsman.
残念ながらほとんどの人達は先生のレビューを信じています😆
パイプレンチの使い方を知らない人が世界に発信してるのが現実です😂
彼は図書館へ行くべきです😊
Where are these pliers on the Klein web site?
Is it any cheaper because the reason I haven't picked up the knipex plier wrench is price
Could be wrong but I think it’s about $50
Where are you finding knipex cobras for $35?!
Amazon amzn.to/3v6tsJw
Germany: € 25.-😊
It's a hotchpotch
Kludge
Its for pipe or nutz...heh
CON IP EX?
CLE INE?
Hard pass for me.
No thanks. I despise gimmicky reversible stuff like this. I like Klein….but not these.
Removable=lost and useless tool after a month.
I'm not feeling this inferior Knipex wannabe personally.
This tool is junk.
I tried this on a 1" pipe. The teeth on the reversible jaw are starting to flatten out.
The push button is only engaged by a mm of material. So now I have a tool where the pipe wrench side has flat teeth that dont grip a pipe.
And a size adjust where I cant stay in the right place for 1" pipe.
100% junk, DO NOT BUY.
For $50, I expect Knipex quality, not this crap quality.
Just because it is made in America or with US steel does not mean quality.
its for pipe and for electricians and it sucks. Knipex is better
Looks ridiculous. Klein was trying too hard, went to gimmicky levels.
Good idea by Klein trying to innovate instead of copy but that reversible jaw is about useless unless they can get the stationary jaw to reverse to match tooth geometry. Just poor execution IMO
Looks like junk. They should of had nws make them like their channellocks
seems rather pointless.... from the video title I tough´t it was reversible in the sense you could turn it and make the plier into a spreading tool instead of pressing tool... that would have been usefull IMO...
I have the cobras in the Doyle flavor (cause, ya know, they're the EXACT same thing) and the pliers wrench in the Icon flavor. I like the waterpump pliers, but the pliers wrench I think is the most over hyped, over rated thing ever. Almost every instance I've tried them in, I'd rather just have an actual wrench every time. The only thing I've found a use for them is that they open big enough to tighten the jam nuts on my long arms. The Kleins just seem like an even more gimmicky, useless version of both of those.
Knipex are the king of channel locks. Or plier wrench whatever you feel like calling them.
My guess is being Klein is typically an electricians tool, the "half cobra side" is sized with rigid conduit in mind. I have their crescent wrench that has a similar jay design, and it is pretty nice.
それが正解だと思います❗
I hate it, but I love Klein's hook and loop dispenser. This tool just seems like a pita.
The patents expired on the larger Knipex.
So everybody is jumping on something similar.
I believe the smaller ones patents are still in effect.
I've seen 4 versions by other manufacturers.