After further investigation it isn't a ground issue that I am having. It's feedback from the speakers. At low volume everything is fine but, when I turn it above half way I get bass feedback going into the turntable mic causing a bass hum through the speakers. From what I've heard my speakers are behind the turntable and, on hardwood floors. Moving the speakers forward of the turntable and, adding isolation pads under the speakers should resolve the feedback issue.
I also like this important, valuable demonstration video on problems with humming noise from a record player. Getting, and connecting a ground wire is more important than it sounds; for the purity of sound.
What if the turntable doesn’t have a ground? For example a rega player, it does grounding through the left wire but it doesn’t work for me, and something like the rega p1+ has a pre amp built in and no way to ground it. What do i do in that situation?
I happen to love vinyl records but I'm very often baffled by technology (& I'm also kinda poor). But thanks to your accessible (!), unprentetious, & CLEAR instructions my turntable just stopped buzzing! And I didn't have to buy something! (I thought the buzzing meant my vintage speakers were broken & I was looking for clues on RUclips....) I LOVE clarity & you just proved why. Bless you! MAS p.s. Can you also fix my tinnitus?
Great video thanks! I struggle (and a technical buddy) with an SL1200. HUMS. Would say the 60hz version. RCA and ground wires have already been replaced, everything checked, no difference (on mixers and pre-amp amplifiers, tried different locations, headshells and cartridges). A simple lamp or the mixer next to it also disturbs and makes the humming even more (magnetic field??). Nothing hums at the technicians place (so he says). Strange thing is, when i connect one of my 2 SL1210's to the same amplifier, mixers, pre-amp on the same location there is zero humming. So weird right. Any suggestions?
Thanks! That was my exact issue. I was ready to take my receiver over to my electronics guy, i never considered that fork prong attached to my audio cables actually served a purpose lol
At 3:28 when you mention connecting the ground to a bare patch of metal on the amp... wouldn't it be a better idea to buy a phono preamp that has that ground connection?
100%. That last bit of b-roll I’m actually connecting the ground to a phono pre-amp... I just forgot to film the part where I actually say it! Will redo and re-upload when I can. Thanks!
Thank you! I have feedback noise. If I touch the turntables ground wire to the outer rca cable connector the feedback noise disappears. But if I connect the ground wire to amps ground or casing there’s no difference on the feedback noise. Do you have any idea what to do then? I’ve seen some comment that you shouldn’t ground to the outer rca connector. (Just saw your video so I haven’t tried sanding the ground cables connector just yet.)
How do you suggest resolving a bad ground in roughly a 60s stereo cabinet? Turntable seems ok but I’m getting shocked everytime I touch the dials on the chassis
Check this out (a method that I was not familiar with). If your not getting hum, don't worry about grounding (some modern turntables don't require it and hum can be addressed by addressing proximity issues.) www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=rega+2+turntable+how+to+ground&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_6SVhY-G_DcPIkvQP7-K0gAY_39
Rega turntables don't have a separate ground wire. The ground is connected through one of the phono connector signal grounds. It works well. There is no point trying to connect a separate ground wire, at best it will achieve nothing, at wost it will create a ground loop and you'll get horrible mains hum.
My Akai still hums. I've cleaned with isopropanol and I've changed the rca cables and also disconnected and reconnected the ground wire. Still having that awful noise.
Came across this video because I was experiencing the hum. Thanks for the tips. Its fixed now, but now Im having issues with an AM frequency coming through. Smh
Hey Matt - It's not metal, per se, that creates the ground. It's the fact that the receiver is plugged into an electrical outlet that is grounded (your home's electrical system ultimately grounds out to a metal rod in the earth). Best bet is going to be to ground your turntable to the receiver. Keep 'em spinning!
If the humming is coming through only one speaker (channel), the problem might be with the connection at the audio cartridge, which powers both a left and right channel. I'd carefully pull the wires off, clean the pin on the cartridge and firmly re-attach (do them one at a time). Good luck!
i get the angry insect hum when i try to ground my turntable whether to my receiver or directly to the grounding rod i installed only for my equipment.
Well I used Van Dam Silver cables and have no hum at all, all grounded from the turntable and the Phono Pre-amp. When I order some silver cables 2 separated pairs same provider I get a loud hum, and it does not go away. When I reconnect my Van Dam silver I have absolutely no HUM< the grounds are not in the wire like the new ones. I do not tbhink is the location I think in my case is the wires? any ideas> I left the original grounds and when I got the new cables and do not use their ground is exactly the same humming. My 2 turntables do exactly the same with the new wires and nothing with the Van Dam series.
Wow. Not sure I'd sweat the 16 rpm not working. That's a super obscure format that was used a lot for spoken word and radio broadcasts. As for the hum, is there a ground wire visible (often green) or an obvious place to run once?
i just set-up my stereo system last week, and got my record player installed. even to i connected a ground wire to my aplifier, i still don't get rid of the hum...
omg I need this !， although mine was 60hz hum .... tried grounding , change socket none of them worked.. going to rearrange the speakers and turntables again thx
Not sure about that one, man. Thumping sound is not typical. Sorry to not have the answer for you. Might want to play around with placement, or put a rubber mat under the turntable and see if that helps.
It may actually make things worse. Huh?? Yes. Another source of noise (hum) can come from what are known as grounding loops. Everything is 'grounded' with wires yet there is still hum. This is likely because you are on a circuit in your home that is not dedicated for just your audio system. Other household items are sharing the return and ground with your system --- especially the ground. Phono components are very sensitive due to their need for amplifying small signals (from the cartridge) by many orders of magnitude ... usually anywhere from 45 to 65 db. Compared to other components, this is huge. And any small amount of noise will get all that amplification too. And introducing that ground (third) prong may bring any noise on that shared ground circuit into your system. So what do you do? Well, you can always try it and see if anything positive happens. Make sure that the little tab that sticks out from the adaptor gets your turntable's ground wire attached somehow to it. But if it doesn't work or the noise gets worse you can try putting your components on a dedicated circuit that has NOTHING else on it --- and runs straight to your panel box. And then make sure your panel box has TWO long copper rods driven into the Earth at least 6 feet apart that connect directly to the ground lead inside. It's what I had to do to fully solve my ground noise. But I was in the market for a new panel box anyway.
My system is always on and is dead quiet until the stylus hits the record. The hum which is around 60 Hz is most noticeable just before the music starts playing or at the end of the record. All my gear is run into the same power conditioner, and then to one outlet with the exception of the amplifier so I don’t have any ground loop issues. However, the interconnects between my phone and a preamp and my preamplifier are not shielded and I have a feeling this might be the problem.
I had a project perspective that hummed no matter how I changed my ground cable or moved my equipment or turntable . I eventually changed what was supposed to be a high quality interconnect for a much cheaper and it immediately stopped .
Hello my records player doest sound like that noise its moree too small Eeeeeee. Like hissing sound. I try to adjust the ground cable sometime its revover & sometime it happen again is it amp receiver or the player?
I have a Denon avr that doesn't have a phono jack. There's no place for the ground wire to attach from my turntable. I've never had an issue until I moved. Nothing changed that I am aware of. It's only on the turntable. It sounds like it's coming from my woofers. A bassy sounding hum. Is that what the 60 hrz hum is?
@@DeafManVinyl My turntable had a ground. I did try grounding it to the reciever but, it didn't work. I'm thinking about upgrading to a reciever that has a phono imput.
I’m having a hum, and my turntable has no where for a ground wire to go. The manufacture says on their website the turntable is “internally grounded through the shielding of the left RCA output, so no external ground wire is needed” yet I’m still having a hum, even after switching the RCA cables out with new ones and cleaning the connections. Should I try tapping a grounding wire to the back of it, or would that be redundant?
Hey - Sorry to be so late getting back to you in this. Without a ground wire, I'd suggest playing around with positioning (i.e., try separating the turntable away from the receiver, plug them into separate outlets). Another cause of hum is bad connections from the audio cartridge to the tonearm. Check those (but be careful, the wiring is like angel hair!). You can clean them with something like Deoxit. Or, use the old school way (a pencil erasure).
have you plugged your amplifier and turntable on the same outlet? if you use different electrical wall outlets big chances you will get a loud hum. Problem was fixed for me, i have a vintage technics TT on a vintage Marantz 2240 amplifier.
I've got a vintage Dual 604 Electronic Direct drive turntable that has no ground wire, just the power cord and left and right RCA. I do get a slight hum. Is there any way I can get rid of this ennoying problem when coupling it to my amplifier (SONY STR DH190). Thanks.
Duals are great turntables! I've got a 1229 and love it. You might try attaching a ground wire to some (non-moving) part of the chassis, coming up from the bottom. Mine is pretty easy to access. I'd also make sure the connections from your audio cartridge are good (the pins are clean and connectors fit snugly). Good luck!
Mine hums specifically through the speakers with the ground wire connected and the table active… its actually only happening now due to my new schitt vidar connected. It’s very low volume and doesn’t increase with volume but i hate it. It goes completely away if i disconnect it. The only thing i can think of is that my player has the upgraded pro ject high power it that has 3 prongs. Do I absolutely need the grounding? Without it it’s dead silent
hi ive got the 120 hertz hum but noticed it got worse when i held the rca cables.what can you say. cos ive done all the grounding required. is it the arm
It could be "the arm" as in poor grounding of the cartridge. Two of those angel-hair wires coming out the back of your phono cartridge are ground wires (left and right). Sometimes, you can get rid of hum by carefully pulling off the wires and cleaning the contacts (pushing the pins into a pencil erasure is an old stoner trick from back in the day). I use a cleaner called Deox It to clean up contacts. Then, give the connectors a squeeze if they are not fitting snugly back on the pins. Let me know if you get to the bottom of it.
Please show the ground connection on the turntable. All the casing on my Technics is plastic. Same with the Audio Technica table. CD player does not cause a hum. No ground terminals on either turntable. Thanks.
Hey George - You might need to get inside the unit to make a connection. See electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/163457/what-is-the-purpose-of-a-turntables-ground-wire. I'd also play around with proximity (move it away from anything else electronic) and try plugging it into a separate outlet (check polarity if it is an old-school unpolarized plug). Good luck!
I bought a used SL-Q300, put on a new p mount cartridge and got it working but I have humming coming from the speakers. Ground wire is attached to the turntable and to the phono preamp. The ground wire does reduce the humming but it's still there. Any suggestions?
So the turntable has the piece with with the spade, and the other end with the bare wires twist around the ground on the receiver. You didn't show where the spade attaches to the back of the turntable.
How do you kill feedback and not just hums which can be killed by using the ground nut. In my case the feedback is reduced if played with the dust cover down and gone completely when I moved the speakers to the next room using a long cable. But inside the same room it is there . Mine a direct drive technique sl 1700mk2 model which is other wise a very silent turntable with the grounding and volume upto 50 percent. I have also changed the amplifiers and preamp but the feedback back remains . I also tried a larger hall but it remained. Only when I keep the turntable , preamp and amplifier in one room and move the speakers to a another the feedback is gone completely. So do you have any better suggestions to kill the feedback inside the same room.
@@DeafManVinyl I have a Denon reciever 3312, Denon brp 1610, Denon CD 5-disc, and a Monster power conditioner. As soon as power yp the TT, the hum goes away.
Sir, I am getting the low hum I guess the 60 hertz but it doesn’t start to hum after 3 or 4 minutes. Is that normal if the turntable is to close to my receiver or would the hum come instantly if to close to receiver? I took the original RCA cable out and soldered new in but still getting the hum after the 3 or 4 minutes after playing an album. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
So I have the same amp as in the video. Have a jvc qla-5 and has that 120 ground noise when switching to play the turn table. Electrically speaking, the amp only has a two wire attachment plug hot& neutral. I’m thinking you would need the equipment ground from the outlet side to connect to the amp?
have you plugged your amplifier and turntable on the same outlet? if you use different electrical wall outlets big chances you will get a loud hum. Problem was fixed for me, i have a vintage technics TT on a vintage Marantz 2240 amplifier.
@@boromir_8428 the equipment is plugged into the same circuit. There’s for duplex receptacles on the circuit. It’s basically by its self in the basement. I ran emt pipe and installed a separate equipment ground wire in the conduit. I think its just the old equipment or maybe the cartridge? It’s not horrible just a bit annoying
@@anthonyelectric6045 hum... maybe it`s your cartridge and/or your ground wire is bad. But you know it is ''normal'' to hear a little something when you raise the volume having the stylus in the air, not touching the record but this sound is quite low usually.
@@boromir_8428 so today the turn table arm wasn’t working properly. So I took the base off and retighten a Allen screw etc. low and behold one of the ground wires weren’t hook to nothing. Quiet as a mouse now after putting it all back together. Thanks for your help 👍
I'm thinking it has something to do with the ground in the cartridge. I'd carefully pull each of the four wires off one at a time and make sure the contact is clean. The old-school trick I sometimes use is to gently press the eraser on the end of a pencil onto the pin a couple of times to clean. You can also brush on something like Deoxit to clean them. Then, make sure the wires make a tight connection when re-assembled. If not, use a set of miniature needle nose pliers to gently crimp the connector. Good luck!
@@DeafManVinyl Thanks...there is a sentence in my Sansui manual about the thickness of the wires connecting the turntable. So I bought some RCA connectors with thicker/shorter wires and that fixed the hum...gone!
Thanks the video was great I just somewhat fixed another TT (a Dual 506-1) to add to my collection I have 4 up & running & one is a Dual 506, I just want to see if this one is any better. They are all connected to a switcher box & 1- long screw with nuts on it to ground each of them. But this one when I tested it hummed I will try to find your other video ptII thinking now it might be the cartridge . Any other suggestions would be great.
i am pretty sure that your model uses a ground wire. It is usually a very small hole next to your rca outputs. it should be a needle ground wire like my old technics. One end is like a needle and the amplifier end is the U shape screw type to hold it.
I have a brand new system, and there's a deep buzz that was diagnosed as a grounding issue. I got a new high dollar needle cartridge and a ground wire. Still buzzing. Please help. No one locally wants to help, as it's a brand new Denon 960 or something like that, and a pioneer p-1000 turn table. The buzzing while I'm listening to records is driving my wife nuts, but it only happens when the record player is playing, and seems to be emanating mostly from the subwoofer when the records are playing.
Yeah, grounding issues can be befuddling. Have you thought through "proximity' issues (e.g., the turntable and amp too close together)? Are the cartridge connections clean and tight (and correctly installed per the color-coding)?
Hello deafman. I have a Pioneer turntable PL-Z81 which I bought in 1970. Recently the associated amplifier gave up, so I got a Yamaha amp. Turntable now buzzes and hisses. The turntable body is plastic, with no ground that I can see. I've looked inside, but I don't know where to attach a ground wire. HELP! Thanks very much!
Hey, sorry to be so late getting back to you. Are you plugging the turntable power cord straight into the turntable? If so, I'd experiment with plugging it into a separate (wall) receptacle and play around with placement to see if you're getting some proximity interference.
My amplifier is within my Edifier speakers. My wires are hooked up directly from my turntable to the amp in the speaker itself. I can't get the hum to go away
Hey Elias - What kind of turntable do you have? Is there a ground wire or ground connection on the back? Regardless, a good first step is to try plugging the turntable and the powered speakers into different receptacles (turntable into one outlet and then outlet into another). Let me know about your turntable model and I'll see if I can help further.
I've been trying to bring some old Dual TTs from the 60s and 70s back to life. They don't have a ground wire. What do I connect the TT end of the ground wire to? Can I just solder it somewhere on the metal frame or is there somewhere specific it should go? Thanks for any feedback you can offer.
Sorry to be so late getting back to you on this. If there was ever a turntable to bring back to life, it's a Dual! I've got two that I refurbed, and they are my new lust objects. If there is a chassis screw you can back out on the receiver, I'd try that, first. Not sure you need to solder anything. Sometimes, just taping the bare ground wire to some clean metal on the receiver will do the trick. Keep 'em spinning!
Hey ☺️☺️ 👋 I appreciate the video and it helped a lot ! But I have a question ⁉️ how do I ground my turntable without a amp / receiver or ground post.?? I'm using my turntable to my audio interface then to my DAW but I cannot get a good signal to nosie ratio and I believe it's because I can't / don't know how to ground my turntable.. please help I'm so happy to have found your channel ! Great work
Connect it to any large body of metal and it should solve the issue for you. You can test by taking the ground wire and touching it to various metal things to see if it reduces the hum noise. If it works, you can use electrical tape to keep the end of the wire in place.
Great video bro, thanx a bunch my friend, your appreciated. Just outta curiousity, what if its one of my portable turntables,for skratching, with my JBL Charge 4 speaker, or my Audio-Technica AT-LP 140XP, connected to my Pioneer DJM250 MK2 mixer, and my Korg All-In-One-PA Speaker?? I've noticed that hum sound myself, & was wondering what I did incorrectly, or was it how closer my speaker(s), or turntables are together, wich usually, my speakers, and everything is next to eachother, with the given space that I have to work with?? Thanx my friend...... Respex.... 🔥💯👍💪🙏🎶🌎
Yeah man, sometimes it's just a guessing game ... pull a plug here, switch a location there. An easy first step is to switch out receptacles. If you've got a turntable plugged into a switched outlet on the receiver, for example, pull it out and try in a wall receptacle. Moving stuff around between power sources can sometimes take care of a grounding issue or get enough distance between components to take care of interference issues. Good luck!
thanks for this - i have a turntable without a ground wire (Sony PS LX250H). it has a RCA cable that i plug directly into a set of speakers, and it is buzzing with lots of static. the turntable's body is also mostly plastic, as is the speaker. how do i ground the turntable or otherwise get rid of the buzz? is it something internal to the turntable that i need to fix? thanks so much for your help!
Sorry for being so late in getting back to you. Some things to try: make sure the RCA Cable connections are clean at both ends (the male ends from the phono and the female end on the speakers). Check also the connections at your audio cartridge. I've pulled cartridge out, cleaned the connections and had the buzz disappear. Not exactly sure what the configuration is on your model, but at the very least, give it a wiggle and make sure everything is tight. Good luck!
Thanks heaps. My turntable sounds like it should again. Great video. Very easy to follow. Mine wasn't actually the spade. The wire had snapped just before it. Ive subsribed and i look forward to watching more of your videos. Cheers Fitzy 👍
Well, not all turntables need a separate, external ground. Some have rubber and plastic parts that negate the need for it. But it there is a slot in the back that says Gnd or has the three-line ground symbol, you're going to want to ground it -either by rigging a ground wire or going to someplace like www.turntableneedles.com and getting a ground wire made for that model. Good luck!
So, if you have a ground post on the back, that's the place to connect. Sometimes you can literally tape the bare ground wire to the back of the receiver and it'll work. Good luck!
After further investigation it isn't a ground issue that I am having. It's feedback from the speakers. At low volume everything is fine but, when I turn it above half way I get bass feedback going into the turntable mic causing a bass hum through the speakers. From what I've heard my speakers are behind the turntable and, on hardwood floors. Moving the speakers forward of the turntable and, adding isolation pads under the speakers should resolve the feedback issue.
I also like this important, valuable demonstration video on problems with humming noise from a record player. Getting, and connecting a ground wire is more important than it sounds; for the purity of sound.
Can I ground the turntable to "Earth" ground instead?? My NAD 7400 is 2 prong plug, no ground
Hmmn. I've not tried that. Do you mean attaching it to the set screw on an outlet (the one that holds the cover plate on)? Seems like that might work.
What if the turntable doesn’t have a ground? For example a rega player, it does grounding through the left wire but it doesn’t work for me, and something like the rega p1+ has a pre amp built in and no way to ground it. What do i do in that situation?
similar situation is in my case, my turntable chasis is made from wood, no grounding.
I happen to love vinyl records but I'm very often baffled by technology (& I'm also kinda poor).
But thanks to your accessible (!), unprentetious, & CLEAR instructions my turntable just stopped buzzing!
And I didn't have to buy something!
(I thought the buzzing meant my vintage speakers were broken & I was looking for clues on RUclips....)
I LOVE clarity & you just proved why.
Bless you!
MAS
p.s. Can you also fix my tinnitus?
Great video thanks! I struggle (and a technical buddy) with an SL1200. HUMS. Would say the 60hz version. RCA and ground wires have already been replaced, everything checked, no difference (on mixers and pre-amp amplifiers, tried different locations, headshells and cartridges). A simple lamp or the mixer next to it also disturbs and makes the humming even more (magnetic field??). Nothing hums at the technicians place (so he says).
Strange thing is, when i connect one of my 2 SL1210's to the same amplifier, mixers, pre-amp on the same location there is zero humming. So weird right. Any suggestions?
What do we do if the record player doesn’t have a ground wire hookup?
Thanks! That was my exact issue. I was ready to take my receiver over to my electronics guy, i never considered that fork prong attached to my audio cables actually served a purpose lol
Love the simple approach to grounding.
Glad you like it!
At 3:28 when you mention connecting the ground to a bare patch of metal on the amp... wouldn't it be a better idea to buy a phono preamp that has that ground connection?
100%. That last bit of b-roll I’m actually connecting the ground to a phono pre-amp... I just forgot to film the part where I actually say it! Will redo and re-upload when I can. Thanks!
Thank you! I have feedback noise. If I touch the turntables ground wire to the outer rca cable connector the feedback noise disappears.
But if I connect the ground wire to amps ground or casing there’s no difference on the feedback noise.
Do you have any idea what to do then?
I’ve seen some comment that you shouldn’t ground to the outer rca connector.
(Just saw your video so I haven’t tried sanding the ground cables connector just yet.)
I see you used the Ground from the Antenna connection as to the Phono connection. Nice Pioneer as I used to have SX-1050 and SX-1250.
How do you suggest resolving a bad ground in roughly a 60s stereo cabinet? Turntable seems ok but I’m getting shocked everytime I touch the dials on the chassis
I have a Rega 2 turntable . There is no earthing point on it . Do I look underneath the deck. Look for metal and ground it to that maybe.
Check this out (a method that I was not familiar with). If your not getting hum, don't worry about grounding (some modern turntables don't require it and hum can be addressed by addressing proximity issues.) www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=rega+2+turntable+how+to+ground&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_6SVhY-G_DcPIkvQP7-K0gAY_39
Rega turntables don't have a separate ground wire. The ground is connected through one of the phono connector signal grounds. It works well. There is no point trying to connect a separate ground wire, at best it will achieve nothing, at wost it will create a ground loop and you'll get horrible mains hum.
My Akai still hums. I've cleaned with isopropanol and I've changed the rca cables and also disconnected and reconnected the ground wire. Still having that awful noise.
Have you played around with "proximity?" So, moving the components apart, even plugging into operate outlets? I've had that help a time or two.
Came across this video because I was experiencing the hum. Thanks for the tips. Its fixed now, but now Im having issues with an AM frequency coming through. Smh
hi if i have a preamp and amp separated where i put ground wire of the table
There should be a grounding post on the stand-alone pre-amp. That's where it goes. Good luck!
Ty for this, never would’ve figured this out. Ran and Used some stereo wire and the Hum is officially gone even at volume cranked to 100%
TVs are grounded then? Video game consoles?
Very sorry I forgot to mention I loved your video on sound problems. Well displayed and walking through the many problems. Thanks Gerald 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this video! Does the turntable have to be grounded to the receiver or can the turntable’s ground wire connect to any piece of metal?
Hey Matt - It's not metal, per se, that creates the ground. It's the fact that the receiver is plugged into an electrical outlet that is grounded (your home's electrical system ultimately grounds out to a metal rod in the earth). Best bet is going to be to ground your turntable to the receiver. Keep 'em spinning!
@@DeafManVinyl great explanation, thanks so much
RUclips is the best app ever. Lol This just made my set up sound perfect. Thank you.
Glad to help!
Hi all quick one when its grounded does that sound only come through one speaker ? Or both mines only coming through one.
If the humming is coming through only one speaker (channel), the problem might be with the connection at the audio cartridge, which powers both a left and right channel. I'd carefully pull the wires off, clean the pin on the cartridge and firmly re-attach (do them one at a time). Good luck!
Thanks for this I'll give it a go
i get the angry insect hum when i try to ground my turntable whether to my receiver or directly to the grounding rod i installed only for my equipment.
Well I used Van Dam Silver cables and have no hum at all, all grounded from the turntable and the Phono Pre-amp.
When I order some silver cables 2 separated pairs same provider I get a loud hum, and it does not go away. When I reconnect my Van Dam silver I have absolutely no HUM< the grounds are not in the wire like the new ones. I do not tbhink is the location I think in my case is the wires? any ideas> I left the original grounds and when I got the new cables and do not use their ground is exactly the same humming.
My 2 turntables do exactly the same with the new wires and nothing with the Van Dam series.
Thanks, was having the issue and did not have a ground stud on my Amp unit,, I just used the ground port for the AM antenna connection and its gone...
Awesome!
I just bought a vintage 4 speed portable turntable. The 16 speed does not work and it hummus. What would you recomend
Wow. Not sure I'd sweat the 16 rpm not working. That's a super obscure format that was used a lot for spoken word and radio broadcasts. As for the hum, is there a ground wire visible (often green) or an obvious place to run once?
@@DeafManVinyl not sure the needle arm may be where the short. If I could trust someone to fix it I would sent it
i just set-up my stereo system last week, and got my record player installed. even to i connected a ground wire to my aplifier, i still don't get rid of the hum...
Would a turntable preamp help?
Just noticed my question was already answered.
omg I need this !， although mine was 60hz
hum .... tried grounding , change socket none of them worked.. going to rearrange the speakers and turntables again thx
I have grounded my turntable to my receiver but I get a thumping sound in the background from the turntable and my speakers when an LP is playing?
You can especially hear it between the tracks on an LP. And my turntable is brand new>
Not sure about that one, man. Thumping sound is not typical. Sorry to not have the answer for you. Might want to play around with placement, or put a rubber mat under the turntable and see if that helps.
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Thank you .. I came up on a technique record player could figure out why it was making a humming noise
I just bought a new phonograph and it is humming, it is an older 2 prong plug in, if i use a 3 prong adapter will that stop it?
It may actually make things worse. Huh??
Yes. Another source of noise (hum) can come from what are known as grounding loops. Everything is 'grounded' with wires yet there is still hum. This is likely because you are on a circuit in your home that is not dedicated for just your audio system. Other household items are sharing the return and ground with your system --- especially the ground.
Phono components are very sensitive due to their need for amplifying small signals (from the cartridge) by many orders of magnitude ... usually anywhere from 45 to 65 db. Compared to other components, this is huge. And any small amount of noise will get all that amplification too. And introducing that ground (third) prong may bring any noise on that shared ground circuit into your system. So what do you do? Well, you can always try it and see if anything positive happens. Make sure that the little tab that sticks out from the adaptor gets your turntable's ground wire attached somehow to it. But if it doesn't work or the noise gets worse you can try putting your components on a dedicated circuit that has NOTHING else on it --- and runs straight to your panel box. And then make sure your panel box has TWO long copper rods driven into the Earth at least 6 feet apart that connect directly to the ground lead inside. It's what I had to do to fully solve my ground noise. But I was in the market for a new panel box anyway.
Very good advice. I swopped my units around, Problem solved. Thanks so much
My system is always on and is dead quiet until the stylus hits the record. The hum which is around 60 Hz is most noticeable just before the music starts playing or at the end of the record. All my gear is run into the same power conditioner, and then to one outlet with the exception of the amplifier so I don’t have any ground loop issues. However, the interconnects between my phone and a preamp and my preamplifier are not shielded and I have a feeling this might be the problem.
I had a project perspective that hummed no matter how I changed my ground cable or moved my equipment or turntable . I eventually changed what was supposed to be a high quality interconnect for a much cheaper and it immediately stopped .
Hello my records player doest sound like that noise its moree too small Eeeeeee. Like hissing sound. I try to adjust the ground cable sometime its revover & sometime it happen again is it amp receiver or the player?
Man, I'm having a hard time following you on this. If you want, send me a quick video that captures the sound.deafmanvinyl@gmail.com
TBH, I have only been trying for 2 days but cannot figure out how to ground my newly found and loudly humming record player. RCA VLT22L.
I have a Denon avr that doesn't have a phono jack. There's no place for the ground wire to attach from my turntable. I've never had an issue until I moved. Nothing changed that I am aware of. It's only on the turntable. It sounds like it's coming from my woofers. A bassy sounding hum. Is that what the 60 hrz hum is?
Check your connection at the cartridge. Maybe they got jostled doing moving. Everything should be tight and clean.
@@DeafManVinyl My turntable had a ground. I did try grounding it to the reciever but, it didn't work. I'm thinking about upgrading to a reciever that has a phono imput.
@@DeafManVinyl you might be on to something with the cartridge.
I’m having a hum, and my turntable has no where for a ground wire to go. The manufacture says on their website the turntable is “internally grounded through the shielding of the left RCA output, so no external ground wire is needed” yet I’m still having a hum, even after switching the RCA cables out with new ones and cleaning the connections. Should I try tapping a grounding wire to the back of it, or would that be redundant?
Hey - Sorry to be so late getting back to you in this. Without a ground wire, I'd suggest playing around with positioning (i.e., try separating the turntable away from the receiver, plug them into separate outlets). Another cause of hum is bad connections from the audio cartridge to the tonearm. Check those (but be careful, the wiring is like angel hair!). You can clean them with something like Deoxit. Or, use the old school way (a pencil erasure).
have you plugged your amplifier and turntable on the same outlet? if you use different electrical wall outlets big chances you will get a loud hum. Problem was fixed for me, i have a vintage technics TT on a vintage Marantz 2240 amplifier.
I've got a vintage Dual 604 Electronic Direct drive turntable that has no ground wire, just the power cord and left and right RCA. I do get a slight hum. Is there any way I can get rid of this ennoying problem when coupling it to my amplifier (SONY STR DH190).
Thanks.
Duals are great turntables! I've got a 1229 and love it. You might try attaching a ground wire to some (non-moving) part of the chassis, coming up from the bottom. Mine is pretty easy to access. I'd also make sure the connections from your audio cartridge are good (the pins are clean and connectors fit snugly). Good luck!
@@DeafManVinyl Thanks. I'll try all the above.
Mine hums specifically through the speakers with the ground wire connected and the table active… its actually only happening now due to my new schitt vidar connected. It’s very low volume and doesn’t increase with volume but i hate it. It goes completely away if i disconnect it. The only thing i can think of is that my player has the upgraded pro ject high power it that has 3 prongs. Do I absolutely need the grounding? Without it it’s dead silent
By all means, if the hum goes away when you disconnect the ground, then leave it off.
hi ive got the 120 hertz hum but noticed it got worse when i held the rca cables.what can you say. cos ive done all the grounding required. is it the arm
It could be "the arm" as in poor grounding of the cartridge. Two of those angel-hair wires coming out the back of your phono cartridge are ground wires (left and right). Sometimes, you can get rid of hum by carefully pulling off the wires and cleaning the contacts (pushing the pins into a pencil erasure is an old stoner trick from back in the day). I use a cleaner called Deox It to clean up contacts. Then, give the connectors a squeeze if they are not fitting snugly back on the pins. Let me know if you get to the bottom of it.
I have a ground wire that is attached to my phono stage, and I've still got a hum, even when the turntable is not turned on.
My Audio Technica Lp60x makes that grounding hum but there's no way to ground it and I can't stand that buzz I have not been able to find a solution
Have you tried plugging into an outlet separate from the rest of the system? Move it away from the other components?
@@DeafManVinylyes I have unfortunately nothing's worked
Please show the ground connection on the turntable. All the casing on my Technics is plastic. Same with the Audio Technica table. CD player does not cause a hum. No ground terminals on either turntable. Thanks.
Hey George - You might need to get inside the unit to make a connection. See electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/163457/what-is-the-purpose-of-a-turntables-ground-wire. I'd also play around with proximity (move it away from anything else electronic) and try plugging it into a separate outlet (check polarity if it is an old-school unpolarized plug). Good luck!
I bought a used SL-Q300, put on a new p mount cartridge and got it working but I have humming coming from the speakers. Ground wire is attached to the turntable and to the phono preamp. The ground wire does reduce the humming but it's still there. Any suggestions?
I'd start at the start and make sure the pins on the cartridge are shiny-bright clean and the connectors are snug. Good luck!
So the turntable has the piece with with the spade, and the other end with the bare wires twist around the ground on the receiver. You didn't show where the spade attaches to the back of the turntable.
Oh, it is great explanation about ground noise and great solution of it.
Thank a lot !😊
I'm going to try this now
I get an uncontrollable bass noise if i have the volume too high up with the bass on full.
How do you kill feedback and not just hums which can be killed by using the ground nut. In my case the feedback is reduced if played with the dust cover down and gone completely when I moved the speakers to the next room using a long cable. But inside the same room it is there . Mine a direct drive technique sl 1700mk2 model which is other wise a very silent turntable with the grounding and volume upto 50 percent. I have also changed the amplifiers and preamp but the feedback back remains . I also tried a larger hall but it remained. Only when I keep the turntable , preamp and amplifier in one room and move the speakers to a another the feedback is gone completely. So do you have any better suggestions to kill the feedback inside the same room.
I have a hum when the turntable is turned off, its a low-level hum. Any ideas?
What else do you have in the system? A receiver? A pre-amp and amp?
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I have a Denon reciever 3312, Denon brp 1610, Denon CD 5-disc, and a Monster power conditioner. As soon as power yp the TT, the hum goes away.
Sir, I am getting the low hum I guess the 60 hertz but it doesn’t start to hum after 3 or 4 minutes. Is that normal if the turntable is to close to my receiver or would the hum come instantly if to close to receiver? I took the original RCA cable out and soldered new in but still getting the hum after the 3 or 4 minutes after playing an album. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
So I have the same amp as in the video. Have a jvc qla-5 and has that 120 ground noise when switching to play the turn table. Electrically speaking, the amp only has a two wire attachment plug hot& neutral. I’m thinking you would need the equipment ground from the outlet side to connect to the amp?
have you plugged your amplifier and turntable on the same outlet? if you use different electrical wall outlets big chances you will get a loud hum. Problem was fixed for me, i have a vintage technics TT on a vintage Marantz 2240 amplifier.
@@boromir_8428 the equipment is plugged into the same circuit. There’s for duplex receptacles on the circuit. It’s basically by its self in the basement. I ran emt pipe and installed a separate equipment ground wire in the conduit. I think its just the old equipment or maybe the cartridge? It’s not horrible just a bit annoying
@@anthonyelectric6045 hum... maybe it`s your cartridge and/or your ground wire is bad. But you know it is ''normal'' to hear a little something when you raise the volume having the stylus in the air, not touching the record but this sound is quite low usually.
@@boromir_8428 so today the turn table arm wasn’t working properly. So I took the base off and retighten a Allen screw etc. low and behold one of the ground wires weren’t hook to nothing. Quiet as a mouse now after putting it all back together. Thanks for your help 👍
@@anthonyelectric6045 ahhh, no wonder it was noisy! good for you and your welcome : )
I'm having this issue even when I don't have my turntable connected. Just switching to the phono input presents that 120hz buzz.
Does your turntable have a three-prong plug (i.e., with a ground pin) or is it an older model with the 2-prong plug?
@@DeafManVinyl nope. 2 prong. Note that I'm also fighting a ground issue elsewhere. I'm pretty certain it's my electrical.
My humming only happens when the needle drops...what does that mean???
I'm thinking it has something to do with the ground in the cartridge. I'd carefully pull each of the four wires off one at a time and make sure the contact is clean. The old-school trick I sometimes use is to gently press the eraser on the end of a pencil onto the pin a couple of times to clean. You can also brush on something like Deoxit to clean them. Then, make sure the wires make a tight connection when re-assembled. If not, use a set of miniature needle nose pliers to gently crimp the connector. Good luck!
@@DeafManVinyl Thanks...there is a sentence in my Sansui manual about the thickness of the wires connecting the turntable. So I bought some RCA connectors with thicker/shorter wires and that fixed the hum...gone!
Thanks the video was great I just somewhat fixed another TT (a Dual 506-1) to add to my collection I have 4 up & running & one is a Dual 506, I just want to see if this one is any better. They are all connected to a switcher box & 1- long screw with nuts on it to ground each of them. But this one when I tested it hummed I will try to find your other video ptII thinking now it might be the cartridge . Any other suggestions would be great.
I'm using a technics QD33, but I don't see a spot to plug in a ground, can I just take it? I have that exact hum
i am pretty sure that your model uses a ground wire. It is usually a very small hole next to your rca outputs. it should be a needle ground wire like my old technics. One end is like a needle and the amplifier end is the U shape screw type to hold it.
I have a brand new system, and there's a deep buzz that was diagnosed as a grounding issue. I got a new high dollar needle cartridge and a ground wire. Still buzzing. Please help. No one locally wants to help, as it's a brand new Denon 960 or something like that, and a pioneer p-1000 turn table. The buzzing while I'm listening to records is driving my wife nuts, but it only happens when the record player is playing, and seems to be emanating mostly from the subwoofer when the records are playing.
Yeah, grounding issues can be befuddling. Have you thought through "proximity' issues (e.g., the turntable and amp too close together)? Are the cartridge connections clean and tight (and correctly installed per the color-coding)?
Hello deafman. I have a Pioneer turntable PL-Z81 which I bought in 1970. Recently the associated amplifier gave up, so I got a Yamaha amp. Turntable now buzzes and hisses. The turntable body is plastic, with no ground that I can see. I've looked inside, but I don't know where to attach a ground wire. HELP! Thanks very much!
Hey, sorry to be so late getting back to you. Are you plugging the turntable power cord straight into the turntable? If so, I'd experiment with plugging it into a separate (wall) receptacle and play around with placement to see if you're getting some proximity interference.
My amplifier is within my Edifier speakers. My wires are hooked up directly from my turntable to the amp in the speaker itself. I can't get the hum to go away
Hey Elias - What kind of turntable do you have? Is there a ground wire or ground connection on the back? Regardless, a good first step is to try plugging the turntable and the powered speakers into different receptacles (turntable into one outlet and then outlet into another). Let me know about your turntable model and I'll see if I can help further.
I've been trying to bring some old Dual TTs from the 60s and 70s back to life. They don't have a ground wire. What do I connect the TT end of the ground wire to? Can I just solder it somewhere on the metal frame or is there somewhere specific it should go? Thanks for any feedback you can offer.
Sorry to be so late getting back to you on this. If there was ever a turntable to bring back to life, it's a Dual! I've got two that I refurbed, and they are my new lust objects. If there is a chassis screw you can back out on the receiver, I'd try that, first. Not sure you need to solder anything. Sometimes, just taping the bare ground wire to some clean metal on the receiver will do the trick. Keep 'em spinning!
Hey ☺️☺️ 👋 I appreciate the video and it helped a lot ! But I have a question ⁉️ how do I ground my turntable without a amp / receiver or ground post.?? I'm using my turntable to my audio interface then to my DAW but I cannot get a good signal to nosie ratio and I believe it's because I can't / don't know how to ground my turntable.. please help I'm so happy to have found your channel ! Great work
Connect it to any large body of metal and it should solve the issue for you. You can test by taking the ground wire and touching it to various metal things to see if it reduces the hum noise. If it works, you can use electrical tape to keep the end of the wire in place.
@@DarrinLin thanks 🙏😊❤️🐼 have a wonderful week !!
brilliant just fixed my problem ,thanks
Great video bro, thanx a bunch my friend, your appreciated. Just outta curiousity, what if its one of my portable turntables,for skratching, with my JBL Charge 4 speaker, or my Audio-Technica AT-LP 140XP, connected to my Pioneer DJM250 MK2 mixer, and my Korg All-In-One-PA Speaker?? I've noticed that hum sound myself, & was wondering what I did incorrectly, or was it how closer my speaker(s), or turntables are together, wich usually, my speakers, and everything is next to eachother, with the given space that I have to work with?? Thanx my friend...... Respex.... 🔥💯👍💪🙏🎶🌎
Yeah man, sometimes it's just a guessing game ... pull a plug here, switch a location there. An easy first step is to switch out receptacles. If you've got a turntable plugged into a switched outlet on the receiver, for example, pull it out and try in a wall receptacle. Moving stuff around between power sources can sometimes take care of a grounding issue or get enough distance between components to take care of interference issues. Good luck!
thanks for this - i have a turntable without a ground wire (Sony PS LX250H). it has a RCA cable that i plug directly into a set of speakers, and it is buzzing with lots of static. the turntable's body is also mostly plastic, as is the speaker. how do i ground the turntable or otherwise get rid of the buzz? is it something internal to the turntable that i need to fix? thanks so much for your help!
Sorry for being so late in getting back to you. Some things to try: make sure the RCA Cable connections are clean at both ends (the male ends from the phono and the female end on the speakers). Check also the connections at your audio cartridge. I've pulled cartridge out, cleaned the connections and had the buzz disappear. Not exactly sure what the configuration is on your model, but at the very least, give it a wiggle and make sure everything is tight. Good luck!
Thank you for sharing.. 👍👍
Thank you for this!
Thanks heaps. My turntable sounds like it should again. Great video. Very easy to follow.
Mine wasn't actually the spade. The wire had snapped just before it. Ive subsribed and i look forward to watching more of your videos. Cheers Fitzy 👍
Glad it helped
Uhh what if it’s the other way around 😭 my receiver has a ground bolt but my turntable doesn’t
Well, not all turntables need a separate, external ground. Some have rubber and plastic parts that negate the need for it. But it there is a slot in the back that says Gnd or has the three-line ground symbol, you're going to want to ground it -either by rigging a ground wire or going to someplace like www.turntableneedles.com and getting a ground wire made for that model. Good luck!
Just what I needed, thanks!
easiet fix . thank you
You're welcome!
You never showed where you attached the GND to the turntable? You stated you were gonna show the back of it and never did.
So, if you have a ground post on the back, that's the place to connect. Sometimes you can literally tape the bare ground wire to the back of the receiver and it'll work. Good luck!
🎉Hum,the key are all grounding! grounding! grounding
Thanx a lot pal!!!!!!
thanks a lot man!
You're welcome! Thanks for reaching out.
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Ok...did that, but still humming.
Thats buzz not a hum. two different issues.
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WRONG! Turntables Hum because they don't know the words, DUH!
you callin me a spade?
Wouldn't dream of it!
"120hz" lol
Damn wish folks could play zeppelin. I do. I’m bored Yall are boring
Thank you for this!