I put 315/70R17 x 11.5 wide Milestar Pategonia MT on 17x8.5 rim. I am over 70,000 km and have rotated them every 3000 km, on my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon, regeared to 5:13.
@@timolheiser7874 Truck tire widths are always stating the section width (overall width), not tread width. A 315/70/17 is closest to a 35 x 12.5, being only slightly smaller in both height and width than the 35 x 12.5 in the vast majority of tires on the market in those sizes.
Love your road noise simulation. It was spot on. 😂 You should try the Kelly Edge MT in a 12.50. that's what I have on my Rubicon Gladiator and I have 47k on them and have been to pretty much every off road park in Texas and they are still with a lot of life tread on them. I've been in mud pits clear up to the fender well and have crawled right out in 4 low and locked lockers from and back. Impressive tires in my opinion
Same here. The 12.5 to 13.5 made a huge difference on dirt and rocks and huge difference in snow. These pattern tests are tricky as every tire is also different and flat versus rock wrapping is subjective. Except actually just have 8”:rocks constantly versus flatter dirt or rocks is more realistic. But, this is real trail riding so we know what it is.
I am on my second Gladiator, my first was an Overland, which had the full side steps on it stock, but that step really cut down on any splash up onto my paint from the tire. My new Gladiator which is Rubicon without the full side steps and just the rock rails allows everything from that front tire to come right up onto the paint, it has chipped my door hinges more than anything. As far as tires go, I really like the Falken Wildpeak as well, but I am not seeing a very long tread life out of them on my gladiators as well, and maybe its just the Gladiator that is hard on tires.
@@Jason-SamkoHave you thought of getting some mud flaps? I was getting rock chips on my Rubicon as well. Picked up some RokBlokz and have been pretty happy so far. Best of all: they are easily removable if you want to do some rock crawling.
@@venomgtsr5702 didnt do mudflaps on my gladiator many because i didnt know if i would need them and then first time offload got a tom of dings in my palstic fenders. So figured they were already blasted might as well just keep blasting them and replace them before I sell it. So rather than put money into mud flaps im gonna use that money to pay for new rear fenders before I sell it.
I totally agree with you, I carry around 200lbs of Kansas sod on my 23 JT and when my 12.50's are ready to be changed I'm doing the same thing you did. I told the dealer what my plan was and you could see the disgust on his face. Who cares, I'm more interested in function than flash.
Agree. I've had people at gas stations and restaurants in jeeps tell me I need wider tires and it would look amazing. Both times I said look under yours and then look under mine. They did. I asked what the difference was. Neither had a clue. I said mines covered in mud and dirt, yours looks like it never left the pavement, when you start going off road you will understand. 🤣
Not a popular opinion, but i totally agree with you. Personally i like a tall skinny tire, the wide tires are very difficult to turn in mud or snow, Many years ago living in the Upper Peninsula, i was running Dick Cepek 35x7.5!! Original Mud Country, zero issues, everyone else running the old GUMBO SWAMPERS, they were good in fields a strait trails, not so much on curved trails! lol
@@rodneyhanbaum697 I was looking at camel trophy one of the most classic ones and those land rovers all have skinny tires and seem indestructible. Like late 80s early 90s camel. Trophy. Madagascar I think it was. Skinny tired much more useful hands down.
Great video, thanks very much. Ive got a standard Gladiator in Aus and looking at options. Tires are even more ridiculous in price here best to choose wisely. Im thinking Bajas hopefully in 35" or something similar. My first Jeep and absolutely love it.
@richardcollin3695 the mic Thompson bajas are an excellent tire. But they do wear fast on pavement. My buddy has them on his f250 and they are wearing quick. But such an awesome tire for traction
My toyos piss me off bad with how bad they are wearing. And I look over the other side of the driveway and see my wife's 4 runner with falkens that have 10k more miles and they look brand new. Won't buy the toyos again
2 of my falkens had to be replaced at about 30k miles because they wore super prematurely. When its time to replace the full set I definitely plan on getting a 35x11.5
Such you had that happen. But the 35x11.50 is an awesome tire size and now falken makes the rt and the at4 in that size. I will be going with one of them next
Do you have any sort of lift? I also plan to go with a 35x11.50 because it stays in the fender and I like the look of my stock and Rubicon rims on my 2024 Wrangler
Given you have like 4" less pavement contact with the 35/11.50 vs 35/12.50 does that help on mpg? I'm just thinking of bycicles that benefit greatly from a thinner tire. I have MT baja boss m/t 315/79/17 and the traction off road is magnificent but I'm not doing much off road or as much as I'd like to I'm planning on falken Wildpeak at4 35 11.50 17 that will last much longer. My consideration is also based on sound and mpg change given these weight about the same though.
Race vehicles are not running stock suspensions and stock steering components or stock gearing. Tire advantage off road comes from height and a longer foot print. Width will give some extra traction but no where near as much as height
He is assuming everyone offroad the same…… it’s simple…… more rubber on the ground equals more traction……. Period…….I go to Moab and sand hollow rock crawling and the wider the tire at a low psi the better……. Period…… you don’t see any 10” tires….. width matters…. only advantage a skinnier tire has is in snow and mud and it isn’t much of an advantage…… a true mud or snow tire will be 10” or less……. If Width didn’t matter everybody would save the weight add run a 9.5” tire……it absolutely makes a difference…….. buy a tire for how YOU ride…….. he is correct you might need new wheels……. Just keep the old ones and slap them back on when you sell it.
Good question. Biggest fear is I'd rip them off in the ruts and holes. Flexible ones might work. Had those on my tacoma and they did well but got real bent out of shape and had to keep reshaping with a heat gun.
I believe the minimum rim width for a 315x70x17 is 8.5. The stock wheels are only 7.5. That can lead to some problems, especially for tire wear and with me being a high mile driver I can't afford the tire wear.
Yes right thru my tazer mini. I honestly think everyone that owns a wrangler or gladiator should have the tazer mini. Such an amazing too thst does so much stuff.
Yes I have a sport S with 315/79/17 and no list on back and because of winch and heavy bumper just a leveling kit on the front but I have off set wheels. But not even close to touch
I have a Ridge Grappler 35x11.5r17 on my JLU, stock rims, plus 1.75" wheel spacers. They're grippy AF on and off road but E rated. On a light rig like my JLU, it makes for a rough ride. Wish I had gotten the Toyo AT3s in a lower load rating. My rig would ride so much better but now I got another 20-25k miles before I can replace them or my wife may divorce me for spending even more money on mods for rhis rig. 😂
Might be the wheel spacers making the rough ride. They are known to vibrate and shake on the pavement. These toyos are nice tires. But after a lifetime of e rated I think I want to go back to E next time.
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I put 315/70R17 x 11.5 wide Milestar Pategonia MT on 17x8.5 rim. I am over 70,000 km and have rotated them every 3000 km, on my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon, regeared to 5:13.
Very nice. Heard many great things about the milestar tires too
315 mm is 12.4". Not 11.5.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 Tread is 11.5, but the overall width is 12.5ish.
@@timolheiser7874 Truck tire widths are always stating the section width (overall width), not tread width. A 315/70/17 is closest to a 35 x 12.5, being only slightly smaller in both height and width than the 35 x 12.5 in the vast majority of tires on the market in those sizes.
I'm running the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT in 255/85R-17 which is 34.6" x 10" and I absolutely love them on my F-150.
Love mickeys!
Did you watch the 2024 Tacoma joint break video lol! Guy drive it up a mountain in 4wd and it snapped
Not yet but a buddy sent it to me. Gonna watch it tonight
@@Jason-Samko you’ll laugh your ass off
I have been going crazy trying to figure out new wheels, tire size, offset, etc. Thank you for a great informative video.
Glad you enjoyed it. Love my 35x11.50s on stock rims
I went with that same size on the falkens thanks to you Jason learned that from your other videos thank you
Those new falken at4 in a 35x1150 will be what I buy next. Love the falkens.
@@Jason-Samko they are awesome. I always "rotate in" the spare tire to give one tire a break hope to make them last longer, at every oil change
@@Coyote5555Yep rotating tires sure does make a difference for longevity.
I’ve got the Kenda klever 35x10.5x17 on my bronco. Great tires
Have a buddy running those exact tires on his gladiator and he loves them too.
Love your road noise simulation. It was spot on. 😂 You should try the Kelly Edge MT in a 12.50. that's what I have on my Rubicon Gladiator and I have 47k on them and have been to pretty much every off road park in Texas and they are still with a lot of life tread on them. I've been in mud pits clear up to the fender well and have crawled right out in 4 low and locked lockers from and back. Impressive tires in my opinion
Good to know. That's very impressive tread life for an Mt. If I go that route will for sure check them out
I run a 37x13.50 on 16' rims. 4:88.1 gears on a 2014 Rubi 2dr seems to run pretty well.
Beautiful set up.
Same here. The 12.5 to 13.5 made a huge difference on dirt and rocks and huge difference in snow. These pattern tests are tricky as every tire is also different and flat versus rock wrapping is subjective. Except actually just have 8”:rocks constantly versus flatter dirt or rocks is more realistic.
But, this is real trail riding so we know what it is.
I am on my second Gladiator, my first was an Overland, which had the full side steps on it stock, but that step really cut down on any splash up onto my paint from the tire. My new Gladiator which is Rubicon without the full side steps and just the rock rails allows everything from that front tire to come right up onto the paint, it has chipped my door hinges more than anything. As far as tires go, I really like the Falken Wildpeak as well, but I am not seeing a very long tread life out of them on my gladiators as well, and maybe its just the Gladiator that is hard on tires.
Yep my hinges get best up bad to from rocks.
@@Jason-SamkoHave you thought of getting some mud flaps? I was getting rock chips on my Rubicon as well. Picked up some RokBlokz and have been pretty happy so far. Best of all: they are easily removable if you want to do some rock crawling.
@@venomgtsr5702 didnt do mudflaps on my gladiator many because i didnt know if i would need them and then first time offload got a tom of dings in my palstic fenders. So figured they were already blasted might as well just keep blasting them and replace them before I sell it. So rather than put money into mud flaps im gonna use that money to pay for new rear fenders before I sell it.
I ride primarily on sand so i wanted the wider footprint of the 12.50
And the 12s look awesome
I totally agree with you, I carry around 200lbs of Kansas sod on my 23 JT and when my 12.50's are ready to be changed I'm doing the same thing you did. I told the dealer what my plan was and you could see the disgust on his face. Who cares, I'm more interested in function than flash.
Agree. I've had people at gas stations and restaurants in jeeps tell me I need wider tires and it would look amazing. Both times I said look under yours and then look under mine. They did. I asked what the difference was. Neither had a clue. I said mines covered in mud and dirt, yours looks like it never left the pavement, when you start going off road you will understand. 🤣
I have a basic Gladiator that comes with 18" rims and it is difficult to find 10 or 11" x 35 tires here in Europe
Not a popular opinion, but i totally agree with you. Personally i like a tall skinny tire, the wide tires are very difficult to turn in mud or snow, Many years ago living in the Upper Peninsula, i was running Dick Cepek 35x7.5!! Original Mud Country, zero issues, everyone else running the old GUMBO SWAMPERS, they were good in fields a strait trails, not so much on curved trails! lol
@rodneyhanbaum697 yep not a whole lot of benefits to width like there is to height of the tire
@@rodneyhanbaum697 I was looking at camel trophy one of the most classic ones and those land rovers all have skinny tires and seem indestructible.
Like late 80s early 90s camel. Trophy. Madagascar I think it was. Skinny tired much more useful hands down.
I shopped for that size tire for my 23 Gladiator Rubicon, in Ca everything is too damn expensive. I'll stick with my stockers until they wear out.
Yep tire prices are off the charts, crazy stupid expensive
good video!! was your fuel consumption affected going from the 33 to the 35 inch tall tire? TIA
Yes about 1-2 mpgs
Great video, thanks very much. Ive got a standard Gladiator in Aus and looking at options. Tires are even more ridiculous in price here best to choose wisely. Im thinking Bajas hopefully in 35" or something similar. My first Jeep and absolutely love it.
@richardcollin3695 the mic Thompson bajas are an excellent tire. But they do wear fast on pavement. My buddy has them on his f250 and they are wearing quick. But such an awesome tire for traction
@@Jason-Samko I think I had better find something else, $595 each!!!!!!!!
Great info I got 14.5 wide tires looking to down size a bit
Thats a wide tire!
Im looking to do the same when I lift my 2014 silverado.
Perfect
Remember the name.. Falken Wildpeak AT4W. Wicked sick rock rubber!
@@Road-Glider love falkens
I had the opposite results with Wildpeak AT vs Open Country AT. I think tire rubber and tread wear is not a perfect science.
My toyos piss me off bad with how bad they are wearing. And I look over the other side of the driveway and see my wife's 4 runner with falkens that have 10k more miles and they look brand new. Won't buy the toyos again
2 of my falkens had to be replaced at about 30k miles because they wore super prematurely. When its time to replace the full set I definitely plan on getting a 35x11.5
Such you had that happen. But the 35x11.50 is an awesome tire size and now falken makes the rt and the at4 in that size. I will be going with one of them next
Do you have any sort of lift? I also plan to go with a 35x11.50 because it stays in the fender and I like the look of my stock and Rubicon rims on my 2024 Wrangler
@@mursebobby408 no lift. 100% stock suspension
Any lift, leveling, or suspension changes?
@@6252e zero. 100% stock except for tires
Does the spare wheel happen to be a 17x7.5 as well? Can’t find much info other than “full size spare”
I believe so. My 35x1150 fit the spare perfect
What PSI are you running in those tires?
35
Do you think a 37x11.50r17 would fit on a Mojave ?
I do think they would.
Given you have like 4" less pavement contact with the 35/11.50 vs 35/12.50 does that help on mpg?
I'm just thinking of bycicles that benefit greatly from a thinner tire.
I have MT baja boss m/t 315/79/17 and the traction off road is magnificent but I'm not doing much off road or as much as I'd like to I'm planning on falken Wildpeak at4 35 11.50 17 that will last much longer.
My consideration is also based on sound and mpg change given these weight about the same though.
Yes. Less weight and less mpg lose. And less wear and tear on your driveline.
A wider tire looks nice, and I think it also drives better on sand.
But other than that, not really useful.
If here’s no advantage to a wider tire how come in racing we use wider tires? I feel like there’s some nuances that you’re not covering.
Race vehicles are not running stock suspensions and stock steering components or stock gearing. Tire advantage off road comes from height and a longer foot print. Width will give some extra traction but no where near as much as height
He is assuming everyone offroad the same…… it’s simple…… more rubber on the ground equals more traction……. Period…….I go to Moab and sand hollow rock crawling and the wider the tire at a low psi the better……. Period…… you don’t see any 10” tires….. width matters…. only advantage a skinnier tire has is in snow and mud and it isn’t much of an advantage…… a true mud or snow tire will be 10” or less……. If Width didn’t matter everybody would save the weight add run a 9.5” tire……it absolutely makes a difference…….. buy a tire for how YOU ride…….. he is correct you might need new wheels……. Just keep the old ones and slap them back on when you sell it.
Do they rub on stock suspension?
Not even close even fully articulated, not even close
I want my tires to stick out an inch from the standard fender. How do I achieve that with a 11" tires?
Wheel offset. You will need new wheels with more negative offset. I would hit the forums and research what off set others have done
Why no mud flaps brother?
Good question. Biggest fear is I'd rip them off in the ruts and holes. Flexible ones might work. Had those on my tacoma and they did well but got real bent out of shape and had to keep reshaping with a heat gun.
@@Jason-Samko thanks for the reply. I didn’t think of them in a hard offroad application and you’re right, they could get ripped off.
Jeep newbie here. Just picked up a pre-owned but still under warranty Overland. Speaking of mud, are mud flaps recommenced?
Congratulations! You will love it. Mudflaps will help
@@Jason-Samko Thanks! I've got a zillion questions!
@@Mike___Kilo ask anytime
I run 315/70 and there less than a 1/4 height difference from 35’s on stock rims
I believe the minimum rim width for a 315x70x17 is 8.5. The stock wheels are only 7.5. That can lead to some problems, especially for tire wear and with me being a high mile driver I can't afford the tire wear.
@@Jason-Samko I’ve got 7k on them with 55psi and haven’t seen crown or side difference, knock on wood
@jeffbriston9940 awesome. Glad they are holding up great. That would be my biggest concern. As long as they are holding well then now worries
Did you calibrate your speedometer?
Yes right thru my tazer mini. I honestly think everyone that owns a wrangler or gladiator should have the tazer mini. Such an amazing too thst does so much stuff.
Awesome review
@@mondogomez5 thank you
I have a Sport S do you think these tires would fit without a lift kit? I am in between a 33 and a 35 both 11.50
Good question that I do not know the answer to. I would check the jeep forums
Yes I have a sport S with 315/79/17 and no list on back and because of winch and heavy bumper just a leveling kit on the front but I have off set wheels. But not even close to touch
I have a Ridge Grappler 35x11.5r17 on my JLU, stock rims, plus 1.75" wheel spacers. They're grippy AF on and off road but E rated. On a light rig like my JLU, it makes for a rough ride. Wish I had gotten the Toyo AT3s in a lower load rating. My rig would ride so much better but now I got another 20-25k miles before I can replace them or my wife may divorce me for spending even more money on mods for rhis rig. 😂
Might be the wheel spacers making the rough ride. They are known to vibrate and shake on the pavement. These toyos are nice tires. But after a lifetime of e rated I think I want to go back to E next time.
Do you re gear from 4.1 to 4.56?
I did not. Didnt have too. the 35x11.50 doesnt need to be regeared. You dont even notice the difference from the stock 33s.
It maybe that dirt and rocks wear more than highway.
The Toyos are soft. That’s why they’re better than the Falken. They wear down quick but they grip well and they crawl well.
Maybe. But I need longevity and traction in mud witch comes from tread depth and spacing more than I need grip on rock. So won't buy these again
Only a jeep could make 35s look small
Agree
There is no th in height
Grammar obviously was a waste of my time in school
You should be ashamed of yourself. Trying to use facts and logic on a social media platform. Pretty sure that violates community standards. 😂
😂😂 glad you enjoyed it