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If Russia really wants to make money, they'd make scaled- up "silicone replicas" of what these look like and advertise them to "lonely" people. Given that loneliness can apparently drive people to enact martial law, it'd also be the first time the Russian government worked to promote democracy in a while.
It's because YT is pro Ukraine. Anything showing support or information about how Russia can actually get these drones, is usually a no go as you see yourself.
The modification of the step by step is absolutely against youtube guidelines. At one point, you couldn't show removing a suppressor. You can show the finished, but not tell them a parts list or the manufacture of it
Your thinking of Spiw. ACR program was looking for a new individual weapon system. They tried super fast burst modes and recoil mitigation for the most part. Spiw did the duplex, triplex, flechette thing back in I think the 60s.
They're fixing the plastic fouling by alternating with jacketed regular ammo. The conventional bullet sort of blasts the fouling out. This will work great, till this sketchy ammo creates a barrel obstruction in a full auto platform!
The amount of effort that goes into the development of these cartridges by regular soldiers shows how much they fear FPV drones. And every grunt - no matter which uniform he wears - who saw the videos of the soldiers being hunted down by these drones cannot but agree. And it's just a matter of time when we see drones picking their targets fully automatically and I'm more than glad I'm way out of the drafting age by then...
they wont be picking out targets themselfs, too dificult for a computer that small. and *Disposable* computing power is not going to improve enough to get there. Something the size of an ATGM may be able to, but that enters a different area of problems
@@swatboy763 I think you seriously underestimate the capability and advancement in computing. As someone who has worked in IT and with computers since the early 2000s, I have absolutely no issue believing we will see autonomous targeting from drones soon, and I guarantee you it is being testing and developed right now. How soon that stuff actually reaches the point of combat testing is hard to say, but we are seriously not far from that.
@@MikeBobby-l7o It's still a matter of cost-effective mass production and deployment. Will you have some elite drones that do that? Sure. Will you have them as cheap as the hordes of current-day FPV drones? Almost certainly not. Because they'll most likely require more expensive chips, that ups the cost per unit and limits their usability. They'll be reserved to take out high value targets (armored vehicles, radar installations, command centers), not a fire team of grunts.
Don't feel safe, the Ukraine war has ominous signs of being a live-fire research and development test of how to create drones to hunt down humanity, against all of the weapons and creativity humans have developed. A paranoid person might figure there's a logic behind the actions.
The dispersion might actually get you a hit if your aim is a little off. And there might be 5 or more guys firing at the drone at once. I'd give it a try if I didn't have anything else. If American or British soldiers had come up with this everyone would be saying it was a brilliant improvisation.
its good in the sense that it eliminates the need to carry around a random shotgun and 12ga ammo, but if it cant hit targets at greater range (100+ yards) then it really only acts as a bandaid on a much larger issue. Will be good for FPV drones.
Такое мнение исключительно из за навязываемой западными СМИ,принадлежащими евреям,русофобии.Когда русских выставляют тупыми алкоголиками.А потом,когда огребают за свою русофобию,неприятно удивляются.Некоторые в момент подыхания.Что только стоит поход крестоносцев на Русь,когда этих рогатых идиотов заманили на лёд озера,где они провалились и безславно подохли
To be realistic, if the weapons even function well with this makeshift ammo, it is an ultra short range shotgun, firing seriously bad patterns, with almost no pellets to populate the patterns... As an analogy, if you fired 00 buckshot at birds at 100 yards, you would almost NEVER hit anything, even rapid firing the entire magazine. The odd, random, rare hit WOULD be devastating. But shotgunning is a numbers game, relying on good patterns, sufficient velocity, enough pellets, of the minimum size, etc. This rifle ammo, while interesting, has almost none of what it takes to be a high percentage life and death solution to the drone threat. A full auto PPsH full of 100% tracer would be better.
It's all about the camera angles.. a rifle and a floppy woppy round wouldn't function reliably and we don't actually see the target impacts nor do we see shreds of colored plastic confetti
all that matters is that the length of the new cartridge matches and length of the original metal projectile, with sturdy enough binding around those ball bearings its as stiff and sturdy as the real thing, so theoretically you should not have any feeding issues, but however it may bring up alot more issues that doesnt have to do with feeding such as increased barrel ware
Видимо так как делают солдаты,более улудшиный приносит результат,чем мушкет пиратский😂😂😂,дай бог им вернуться всем живым,и не покалеченным,дроны приносят огромные проблемы,отдельная война,отдельное противодействие.
They exist, I assume you know that. It's the .366 TKM, created to allow for Russian civilians to own Kalashnikov and SKS pattern firearms when they only have their shotgun license. Since the weapons are smoothbore, they are technically classified as shotguns.
I'm sure there is a lot of "smoothbore" aka barrel shot the hell out . That rifeling won't survive tens of thousands of rounds and I'm sure there is weapons out there with a lot more then that through em 😂
@@MarkPereira-jz4ct Only if the weapon was picked up by someone else. If we measure the average meat wave member's life expectancy in rounds fired by them, it's probably only in the tens of rounds at most.
Something tells me these will be put into serious production if proven. I don’t think the fouling could be that bad considering 5.45x39 blanks are made with PVC.
Honestly in Ukraine the summer and spring rain and mud season is what bogs down soldiers movement. Now that there is way more soldiers on the frontline than there were prior were probably going to see more maneuvers on the frozen ground
7:48 That makes sense. CMMG's manual for the AR-15 .22LR conversion kit says that "firing the 5.56x45 mm cartridge will fully clean any residual .22LR lead fouling from the gas tube and gas port". If it can clean lead, it can also clean polymer from heat shrinks or whatever is used.
The underbarrel shotguns always seemed nice to me. No messing around with different ammunition in your main weapon, just have a separate attachement underneath. If im not mistaken, there is a semiautomatic underbarrel shotgun as well. M26 Mass? Something like that.
Yeah, having to deal with two different ammo types seems annoying, especially in the heat of battle. An under barrel shotgun or something small like a serbu shorty seems more ideal imho.
wouldn't have near the range and are very difficult to aim, also in general they are a terrible idea that makes guns very front heavy and heavier in general. there is a reason for all the attempts they never took off, they are incredibly impractical.
@@John-mf6ky if you were going to pack a special weapon, why take a super shorty, which would lack the range and power to effectively do the job? they are more portable, but lack basically every feature to be useful for the task.
I find it really cool how crafty people can get before proper technology catches up to threats. Improvisation is one of the coolest skills humans have.
If that's the future, maybe we should come back to flechette rounds for smoothbore barrels, since those ball bearings will destroy the rifle barrel anyway...
Он и так изнашивается с каждым выстрелом.Автоматы СССР/России способны работать до 7000 выстрелов,Калашникова из других стран до 5000 выстрелов.Тоесть на войне автомат и так приходит в негодность за год
@RAGOR-c8x It's gonna be closer to 20,000 and that's woth lose of accuracy. Gun will still work. Unless a rifle is used for training many guns are damaged or lost before they are shot out
Looks to me like they're not loading with hardened bearing balls. There wouldn't really be much reason to do so anyways, since cheap lead shot would likely perform better with the extra density. My main concern is feed issues and fouling.
The issue at this time isn't really whether or not technologies exist to counter drones but rather you need technologies that can be carried by the individual rifleman on the ground. If you have like ten seconds to react to an incoming FPV drone or similar threat you don't really have the luxury of just getting out your stinger or similar sized implement to destroy drones. Counter-drone optics like the Israeli SMASH are a step in the right direction but still need a lot of work and economies of scale to make them economically viable.
@@matteusvirtanen392 home made double barrel pipe shotguns could be effective (if older sawed off double barrel shotguns are not available ) multiple barrel Pipe shotguns should be economically viable simple low component and cheap
@@Ginga-Ninja Shotguns themselves are a kind of a halfway solution at best. You don't really want to carry around multiple weapons and if you are in a defensive position you can probably do better. Even beyond that shotguns don't really have great interception rates for these drones and totally rely on the operator being a great shot and predicting the movements of the drone. Systems like SMASH or airbursting under barrel grenade launchers etc. have a lot more promise but again the price becomes an issue. Even if we went for a shotgun you would be far better off going for a semi-automatic or a fully automatic shotgun than some dual barreled hunting shotgun since the only factor that really matters is pure volume of fire since the expectations of accuracy are very low.
Who knew when my grandpa was disassembling bullets and burning the propellant for our amusement; he was actually this close to the cutting edge of anti drone warfare!
The 5.45x39 ammunition Russia currently uses has a copper-washed, steel jacket, so I don't see how firing copper-washed steel BBs would cause any additional wear beyond what is already caused by the standard ammunition.
Your main issue is plastic buildup from multiple firings. That'll get pushed ahead of the next solid round, forming an annular wedge in front of the projectile and causing a spike in chamber pressure that even the AK was not built for. Hence alternating rounds.
its way smaller and there are severl of them i see it fucking up the rifling though to be honest i think the way they are stacked you are getting more speed than out of a shotgun if you had to cover a large area of space with shots this wuld be a much better way to do it than that underbarrel thing untill you clog up the gas port in the barrel with the plastic
Because a rifle round engages the rifling and smoothly glides down the barrel whereas these are probably bouncing around in there fucking up the rifling
@dementedbowine8681 The steel ones aren't ideal. The lead ones much better. They'll also be doing roughly twice the speed of typical shotgun shot. Somewhat erratically, as they'll also be squashed.
I'm amazed these feed through the rifles as well as they do! Can't wait for American RUclipsrs to test this out and we can see exactly how effective they might be!
Reloader here… That’s some hillbilly engineering. The lower weight of the air gun 4.5mm copper washed BB’s and the blow by of electrical shrink tube is keeping the rifle from blowing up. Cheers!
Yeah, the workshop scale stuff is using lead. It won't be long until someone sets up a crude injection moulding press that stomps out a more suitable load from better materials, factory loading into a waterproof case. Credit to the AK design for functioning.
A pre-scored plastic bullet with bird shot would work, kinda. The weight is too low to be ideal for drone work. As a kid, we loaded 8 bb’s in a crossman 760 and pumped it 10 times. It made a good short range shotgun. It did a number on doves close in. The best way to deal with drone threats are radio signal jamming and shotguns with large shell capacity. I would use a AK based 12 gauge shotgun with 10 round magazines. I can’t remember the name of the company, there was a 12 gauge shell loaded with steel cubes, that had sharp corners. That round would be ideal for drones. Cheers!
@@VikOlliverfor real, I was thinking the whole time, there’s no way these cycle, there’s no way. Big fan of the reliability and ruggedness of the AK platform, I’ve been really debating on gas or piston for my first assault rifle, and I think I’ve got my answer.
@@Sockem1223 yeah but no semi gun will cycle if it doesn’t have enough back pressure from the round. Gas port could be the size of a dime but it’s not gonna cycle with a blank. Can’t imagine the little bb’s really weigh that much but I could be wrong
@@jleonard377 Back pressure is mainly a function of the case sealing to the chamber wall, having no bullet to push clearly won't reduce it enough to matter, and blanks do in fact cycle even in AR platforms, though you will want to make sure its extra clean in the case of the AR.
@ they cycle if they have a BFA or a plugged barrel in the case of movie guns. I’ve shot many type of blanks through many types of semi platforms and never once has any of them cycles without some modification to the original platform
0:36 I find that really funny. Russia is using chain-shot to fight drones (chain-shot being a form of ammunition in old sail ships used to target masts)
It would be kinda funny if we are entering a timeline where a "AD (Anti-Drone) Rifleman" becomes a position in some squads. Kitted out with some sort of semi-auto shotgun as a secondary and a whole bunch of anti drone countermeasures in a big ass pack like what you see with an AT rifleman for tanks.
Drones are a pretty big hobby especially when covid was going on, when this war started using them I honestly though how scary these things are because if your not paying attention these come at you so quick and quiet its almost too late to react.
Problem is needing a safe place to control the drones from while protecting your troops, while also having a high enough resolution camera and fast enough video transfer rate to make aerial combat effective
One benefit of alternating conventional ammo with "buckshot" is the improvised round may feed more reliably from either the right or the left. With alternating ammo you can reliably always feed the unusual round from one side.
@@hopkinsfamily1891 You can clearly see the top round in the mag is either on the right or left, it doesn't narrow down to present a single round. Most pistols do that but AK rifles do not.
Watch it again, the primary reason for loading rounds alternating is, "to maximize ability to deal with different dangers," if I got the wording correctly -- first video -- there are other threats besides drones!
Armies around the world are going to have to either develop a new rifle ammunition to dispatch drones or change military doctrine to include elite squads of trap/skeet shooters armed with drum or belt-fed fully automatic shotguns to blast incoming drones from the sky. Either way, this is bound to get really interesting. EDIT: Quick, someone send this to Taofledemaus, Brandon Herrera or Kentucky Ballistics!
It's going to be a drone arms race with drones of all sorts and anti drone drones of ever increasing capabilty. It's really quite scary where this technology could take us. Imagine dropping a few hundred thousand anti personnel mini drones on an area from a cargo aircraft and they us AI to act as a co ordinated swarm and seek out and kill everyone they are programmed to.
Or simply an masterkey like underbarrel shotgun attachment like any granade launcher, you get a proper shotgun alongside your rifle and don't need to change ammo.
@giantent763 but it would be more practical than carrying an separate shotgun, the soldier can simply shoot the drone using the underbarrel shotgun without the need to switch weapons, saving time and lives, also you don't need every soldier with one, just a few within the group carrying the masterkey and the ammo, much like you have soldiers with LMGs and granade launchers.
I’ve found that if you cut the very tip off cheap birdshot 12ga shells, then insert a couple inch long piece of wooden oak dowel that is just a fraction smaller than the barrel diameter, it makes environmentally safe anti-drone ammo that can be safely fired into the air even in residential areas.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Assuming the shock of firing is sufficient to release the shot from the sleeve, it might actually help hit probability that the rifling isn't engaged. It tends to spread the pattern into a too-wide ring.
I believe that these should have significant merit. Lead will not cause additional wear on riffling. Plastic and lead will not cause a barrel obstruction, but will cause fowling. Depends on the plastic but cleaning may be challenging to remove it. Firing a FMJ round in a fowled barrel hardens and bakes the residual plastic making it more difficult to remove, requiring solvents and bronze brush scrubbing. You’d never get if off with patching. Sabot rifle, shotgun rounds leave plastic and I’ve seen this.
@@LoneSurvivalist-x6s Have you tried Hoppe's #9? You might examine more closely, to see if the rifling is pitted from rusting, if Hoppe's #9 does not dissolve it. Follow the instructions carefully.
I think lack of accuracy is a benefit when your trying to scatter rounds to hit a drone. this could foul up the gun eventually but the risk of damaging the gun is less than dying from a drone attack.
I build ammo for .177 pellet rifles like this. I use coffee filters for paper because its thinner, make a shell & put 6-8 birdshot in. Cut a coin off the end of a cigarette butt and pinch some fiber off to squish into the shell. Crimp the open end/tip by rolling it in your fingers. Shockingly similar just different tech (break barrel vs a literal AK)
Setting up an adapter for a grenade launcher and muzzle loading shotgun shells sounds like a terribly clunky process as a drone zips around trying to kill you. This seems like a slightly better solution, but thinking pragmatically, there should probably be a designated anti-drone role at the squad level who carries a 12guage along with his AK. Pump shotguns can cost as little as $200.
well well well, not only have they created an anti-drone weapon of sorts but they also turned a standard AK into a shotgun, a fully auto shotgun. I mean like shit that is so cool
@@shmalevolokno literally anyone who has experience with shotshell cartridges will tell you how horrible the spread is at just 5 meters. They do not cycle well in semis and mess up your rifling on top of that. There's a reason why they are not a commercial success. If anything #8 in Ivan's grandfathers WWII side by side would have been better that these
This is pretty interesting. I know that they’re working with what they have and it is impressive. I’m sure it’s easier than acquiring different weapons systems. But it seems like it would be better especially with the trench warfare to have a designated shotgunner in each squad using something like #4 buckshot for both trench engagements as well as drone dispatching. There’s a lot of inexpensive but decently solid Turkish semi autos, the old tried and true Mossberg 500/590, Remington 870 pumps, and clones out there that are widely available.
Про загрязнение газоотвода могу сказать так: это АК, давление в газоотводе в 5 раз больше чем в АРке, и там всë свободно, конечно газоотвод забьëтся, но это произойдëт не через 40 выстрелов, а больше 100, не меньше. Имею опыт обращения с гражданским АК, Сайга 410, ствол 415 мм, в котором отверстие газоотвода 5 мм и пластиковый пыж пули срезается немного и втягивается в газоотвод, откуда я его через 10 магазинов вычищаю.
Excellent video! Using hardened ball bearing type projecticles cannot be good for the gun barrel. However, necessity is the mother of invention, eh?-John in Texas
Who is really enjoying this war is the bloggers. There is no video without big and undeletаble watermark of some blogger. They are fighting for exclusive videos
The telegram channels always throw one on. Many are the original uploaders so it makes sense for the original source. What I find annoying is people putting watermarks on content that isn't theirs. C'est la guerre.
9:48 I see that he's got his Baofeng UV-25 radio in the background there. It's a decent radio for the price (i own one) but if that's what I had to rely on in combat, I'd be pretty upset... Nothing but the best.
Such a light load to get it in a magazine and also feed right. Yoy can easily cast lead and solder between 2 clamped boards, btw. Just drill where they meet together, any diameter you want if you have wire drills. Use pine or something soft.
Stating the obvious: Seems like the 7.62 would be a much better round to try this with than the 5.45 as the larger bore gives much more room for multiple small projectiles... But, desperation can lead to some odd decision making..
If they extended the neck of the cartridge case stacking jacketed wadcutter type projectiles might be possible. duplex and triplex loads in straight wall cases have been a real thing for years.
Can't extent the neck of the case without reaming the chamber, if you are going to make a gun that can only shoot these rounds might as well use a better one such as a 12 ga. shotgun that can send a lot more shot down range.
@jackcavendish8900 Dude what? Damascus is occupied. Members of Assad's family were hanged in public last night. Russia and Iran have withdrawn support of Assad's government. Unless Assad has the power of time travel or the entire world suddenly wants to help him, it's over. Jolani is shitting in Assad's toilet, literally as we speak. Russians are evacuating from the last two bases friendly to the Assad regime in Jablah and Nuri al Qarnayn, hell Jablah might even be empty already. What are you even trying to reference lmao, it's over. Assad lost.
jesus, how effective do you think snake shot in a 9mm or 45 be when dealing with drones? itd have to be super close but i feel like with all those videos of the fpv drones look on the casualtys face before hitting them id carry a sidearm full for a last ditch defense.
@@terrencepayne1371 If you're close enough for the 'dust' shot in handgun snake shot rounds to possibly be effective against a drone, you're more than close enough to hit it with actual bullets. We are talking an effective range in feet, not yards. In fact, if you have a semi-auto, snake shot almost definitely wouldn't cycle, and would therefore be virtually useless for last-ditch drone defense even if the shot was somehow effective.
@debbiegilmour6171 We'll see I guess. The grouping seemed a little suss too imo considering the range and being the equivalent of smooth bore projectiles...
@@m2hmghb TBF, I made a rough estimation in my initial comment. But a speed for the ball bearings can be calculated quite easily. We can assume that the plastic will be deformed enough to create an effective gas seal in the barrel, so we can stop worrying about gas blow by too. 4.5mm steel BBs have a weight of around 0.35g. Seven of them equals a mass of 2.45g. The mass of a typical 5.45×39 mm bullet is around 3.50g. These give us muzzle energies of about 1,400J. We can assume that all the propeller's energy is transferred to the projectile package as it is in the case of a normal 5.45 mm bullet. Rearranging the kinetic energy equation in terms of velocity gives us v = √(2×E/m) which is 1,069 m/s, or 3,510 fps. Actually calculating the deceleration of a projectile due to drag (especially a supersonic one) is actually not a trivial matter and involves maths which I'd have to reference in textbooks that I don't have access to and would have to solve using numerical methods with a computer anyway. Therefore, I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption to assume around 300-400 m/s of velocity lost over about 20 m. Small steel ball bearings doing 700 m/s is easily enough to perforate the thin steel sheets from the demonstration and definitely enough to shatter the fragile plastic casings of these drones, thereby knocking them out of the sky.
They don't need to be long range or accurate. Instead of 6 steel balls they could be 10 or 12 lead disks. Cut angles on them so they can pack tightly together in a spiral pattern. The angles will throw off the balance of each disk. The spiral will spread them out in different directions. Make them 5.45 mm. Maybe they'll grip the rifling without tumbling. Fire full auto bursts. Russian engineers could figure it out. They could even stamp an indentation in the back of each disk and a round protrusion on the front that fits in the hole of the next disk.
@robertmueller6979 That would be ideal for anti drone. I wonder if the steel balls trying to displace each other would tear up the rifling super fast and ruin the barrel for normal ammo.
@@lililililililili8667 The problem is that the rifling scatters any loose load in a huge pattern anywhere from 5 to 10 feet wide within feet of the muzzle. That goes for all rifled firearms shooting shot including shotguns. That why most fowling guns are smooth bore shotguns. Rifling scatters shot everywhere and you can't hit a dang thing. Do that with only a very few projectiles and the chances of hitting anything directly in front of you rapidly reach zero. A lower number of projectiles is much worse. In this case, with rifling and a horrendously low shot count, the projected hit rate is zero right from the start. It's physics; you can't beat it and they actually have shot formulas if you are interested. Additionally your projectiles need weight to carry enough energy to actually damage your target. With such small balls titanium, heavier than lead, is your only solution. Steel is a joke and will just bounce off the frame. If they get lucky they might directly hit the fuse or disrupt a prop. Doubtful though.
@@robertmueller6979 You wrote so very much that is usually true, but is book knowledge rather than experience, and in this case isn't quite correct in assumptions, resulting in being completely wrong. Oh, and _titanium_ is far lighter than steel, not heavier.
I think long term infantry shooting down FPV drones won't be viable, today we are seeing commercial quadcopters that are pretty slow but in a few years I think purpose built fixed wing drones will be more common and much faster.
We already have inexpensive fast versions of both that are cheaper than a single round of artillery's what makes these quadcopters more desirable is that they can change direction pretty quick while being quiet. I live in a area where drones where a big 2020 hobby and when the war started using these drones, I honestly though how terrifying it must be for both sides because you really don't hear them in most environments, especially a battlefield.
@@Upsidedownzack бесшумно? Дрон не бесшумный. Да, коптер наблюдатель может быть на большом расстоянии. Но если речь о сбросах, то такой уже можно услышать. А если это FPV камикадзе, несущий несколько кг взрывчатки, то он визжит как ведьма. Слышно очень хорошо. Другое дело, что не всегда есть время для реакции. И попасть в дрон сложно.
@@Zordeos I guess I didn't think about the stress from a good size payload making it noisy. I made that comment based on my own experiences with FPVs speed and lack of noticeable noise until its near
OK, formally, air rifle BB's are NOT ball bearings or "buckshot". They really are BB size "shot". Buckshot starts at about .24 caliber If these BBs start out near 3,000fps (which is very possible), they might retain useful velocity to 100 yards. Realistically, a single carefully placed shot might keep 3 pellets on a target the size of a house's front door at that distance. On a good day. Need to see testing!
I don't feel like looking deep into this but if they replicate the weight of the original bullet and the plastic works to transfer the spin of the rifling to every projectile. These should have incredible range, velocity and accuracy unlike a shotgun. Similar to how a rifled muzzleloader firing a patched ball has much greater range than an unstabilized ball. Each of these balls should still be spun by the rifling. As for plastic fouling in the barrel. It's pretty much a non issue. Plastic fouling is easier to remove than any other. It beats the hell out copper and lead fouling.
Accurate but misleading. *BB* lead shot is .180" and air rifles are .177" (4.5mm) ...in addition, the Crosman "Copperhead" BB's aren't *lead shot* -- they are copper-plated steel ball bearings!
Former co-worker of mine used to be stationed on a US sub sometime before 2018. Some of the guys on the sub including himself were given the task of brainstorming some concepts to counter civilian drones observing the subs operations while in port. He came up with the idea of having a falcon on board that was trained to fly around and hunt drones. They ended up not going with his idea but I feel like anti-drone falcons are seeming more viable each and every day.
I've trained a falcon to drop a tangled rope on drone's propellers. It costs me nothing as rope is reusable, my falcon eats rodents, and I even get to capture drones that are still functioning
The Indian military uses falcons against Pakistani drones, but Indian falcons have a small pulsed microwave electronic warfare system hanging around their necks.
during covid i couldnt find any buckshot for sale, so i took birdshot shells, emptied them. and replaced the shot with those 1.77 call bbs. kind of as a home defense round. They work alright but only at close range. After that expirence i am dubious at how effective those bbs would work against a drone. and the range. i think the heavier lead buckshot might have a better chance but the steel bb gun ammo is just too light in my opinion. not to mention how itll effect the gun.wouldnt be supised if it damages more guns than not. i am a hand loader in .223 and 9mm... i can just imagine the pressure that is generating with the wire covers and balls. love to see an actual demo at 25 yards and see the pattern and if it is effective
It undoubtedly has the chance of essentially rattling and rolling down the barrel and with steel bbs I imagine it’s HELL for commie carbon steel barrels. That metallurgy is sound but based on fairly old principles and tradition
ever seen how frail drone props are? this isn't flesh and bone we need to pierce, a singe interception is more than enough to take out a drone, the hard part is saturating the airspace enough to clip the thing, you really don't need much energy to break a prop, if the drone is moving the rotor above hovering speed just getting a steel ball in the way shatters the blade. similar for the support beams and cables, a weak support throws off the ballance and a shorted wire disabled the whole propeller!
One of the main reasons I love AKs is you can shove all kinds of ammo in it from nice brass, shitty budget steel. And now even home cooked makeshift buckshot. Even a mix of everything and the mf still cycles. Out of thousands of rounds the only failure I ever had wasn't even the AK's fault. It was a faulty cartridge that expanded inside the chamber. And it took 2 seconds to fix by slamming the charging handle into a bench and ripping that mf out. It has never jammed on me, failed to extract, or had a multiple feed. Simple, Rugged, Reliable and Versatile. In my eyes it is still the top contender for long-term large-scale warfare. Meanwhile all the M4's I used in the Army jammed, double fed, failed to extract ect at least a few times. Even when squeaky clean, lubed and with Pmags. Those failures are what made me buy an AK for personal use.
@@alexeytsybyshev9459 BB is the size of the shot. They go down in numbers as they get bigger 6, 5, 4, 2, 1 then 0, 00, then BB, BBB, T and F. Another great example of American units.
Practical war developments I'm higly certain that we will see this developed further Improvents to the bullet design to be more reliable and less taxing on the rifle as well as higher fire rates from the rifle will probably follow
shotgun shells need volume, thats why most common cartridges are very large diameter (12g, 10g, smallest usually is 20g) and thats why .410 are kinda trash, they are too small and dont hold a lot of projectiles
@lefunnyN1 I guess it makes up with fire rate and versatility Not carrying a whole seperate gun or having to specialise people with shotguns or having to attach a underslung shotgun would save weight nor having to spend the time to add a shotgun muzzle attachment instead being able to quickly swap a mag which soldiers are already trained to do quickly and under pressure And at the end of the day a anti-drone mag would kill a guy all the same
@@bromine_35 they are loading 17 cal pellets, into those shells and there is only a couple pellets in each one, the spread pattern will be very inconsistent and terminal balistics will also be terrible, again .410 shells are very similar in its flaws, but at least 410 have more volume to load them
@@PhilMcRack-u7v on anything but an AK, you'd be right. On the AK, it's feed geometry is in-line with the chamber. The feed ramp is very "flat" so to speak. This means the plastic crimps never hit the feed ramps, it just slots into the chamber.
@@colind6797 Funny, and logical but, wrong association. Actual Ball Bearings are hardened steel with tight tolerances. 'BB' shot, is a size classification for shot sized ~0.17" regardless of material. (There's also BBB, F, T, etc. birdshot.)
Yes, but an extra gun to carry? This solution probably beats it in the eyes of most soldiers. Especially since it gives you a bona fide 12Ga buckshot load every three ir two of those jury-rigged rounds loaded
A wrap of thin copper sheeting around the shrink-wrap would eliminate the plastic fouling problem. Just like a copper jacket on a standard round, occasional copper cleaning/de-fouling would be sufficient.
How are you intending on copper plating shrink tube? Even if you could, it would then hold all the bb's together which would defeat the entire purpose of the round.
this is actually pretty genious, i actually see how these rounds could be easily put on an automatic assembly line to be produced, drone combat gonna end as quickly as it started
Дистанция выстрела слишком маленькая. Так что проблема решена не будет. А если дрон производит сбросы с высоты 50 метров, то поможет только полноценное гладкоствольное ружьё.
@@Zordeos yes indeed, but from a height of 50 meters, personnel with have enough time to run, or other conditions will give most drones accuracy problems. And of course, no problem is always fully solved, but this is a pretty good solution
Maybe its because I don't know shit about AKs, but seeing those improvised rounds in that magazine is setting off red flags. I think expecting all of those to feed correctly is asking a lot to go right.
They'll feed if they don't get too warm outside the breech. Of course, a factory one would be hot-moulded from a suitable plastic with a decent base. Bet you that's in the works somewhere.
Most airgun BBs are copper coated and are not hardened like real ball bearings. Recall, mild steel is/was commonly used as a bullet jacket by former Warsaw Pact nations.
3:00 What's supposed to seperate the bb's? Wouldn't they just fly together still wrapped up? It's not like a shotgun shell, where the bb's are sittin' loose inside. Or would the shot blow em apart?
Shotgun shot isent “sittin loose inside” the casing, Within maybe 7 yards the shot is still held together within the wad. Point blank range bird shot is the same as being hit with a slug.
The heatshrink acts as a wad or sabot. The concept is that the heatshrink gets damaged/stripped away during firing and exits the muzzle more like a *discarding* sabot shell. Theoretically, this would foul the muzzle device but, muzzle blast might keep it clear. dunno.
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If Russia really wants to make money, they'd make scaled- up "silicone replicas" of what these look like and advertise them to "lonely" people. Given that loneliness can apparently drive people to enact martial law, it'd also be the first time the Russian government worked to promote democracy in a while.
It's because YT is pro Ukraine. Anything showing support or information about how Russia can actually get these drones, is usually a no go as you see yourself.
The modification of the step by step is absolutely against youtube guidelines. At one point, you couldn't show removing a suppressor. You can show the finished, but not tell them a parts list or the manufacture of it
YT's rules are so fucking stupid!
@mehtevas2653 oh I know. I tried to get round it but it's kinda the whole video haha. Thanks for watching.
Multiple projectiles in a single rifle cartridge?
Welcome back Advanced Combat Rifle program.
An ancient evil has awakened
Your thinking of Spiw. ACR program was looking for a new individual weapon system. They tried super fast burst modes and recoil mitigation for the most part.
Spiw did the duplex, triplex, flechette thing back in I think the 60s.
@@OmnonymousThe Colt ACR used 5.56 duplex ammunition.
History is a flat circle
Nope. That was usually duplex to imitate a burst on a single target. This is a shotgun cartridge.
Soldiers do what they have to, I do believe plastic fouling would be a big issue. But being dead would be worse.
They're fixing the plastic fouling by alternating with jacketed regular ammo. The conventional bullet sort of blasts the fouling out.
This will work great, till this sketchy ammo creates a barrel obstruction in a full auto platform!
Plastic fouling can't be an issue if you're dead!
@@Messerschmitt_BF_109G_10 I figure a burst barrel in an AK would just take off fingers, is all. Might not even blind the shooter.
Never mind the fouling; ball bearings are extremely hard. Goodbye rifling. But I guess you don't need an accurate rifle if you're dead.
That heat shrink can be pretty usefull
I don't think the individual soldier in the trench on the frontline gonna worry to much if the riflebarrel survives, but if he survives.
This can be seen with mosins from WW2, they all have counter bored barrels from probably shooting with a barrel full of mud and snow
Reminds me of the dude who tossed his ak at a drone in desperation and survived
Full auto airsoft is now implemented in actual warfare.
Thats "airhard" since those are metal balls fired with powder, but yes similarities are absurdly close.
You meant full auto shotgun
“No full auto in the building!”
😅
this is full auto!
The amount of effort that goes into the development of these cartridges by regular soldiers shows how much they fear FPV drones. And every grunt - no matter which uniform he wears - who saw the videos of the soldiers being hunted down by these drones cannot but agree.
And it's just a matter of time when we see drones picking their targets fully automatically and I'm more than glad I'm way out of the drafting age by then...
Just give it time to get REALLY bad then you and me both we still be drafting age when they increase it to 45 like they did during ww2...
they wont be picking out targets themselfs, too dificult for a computer that small. and *Disposable* computing power is not going to improve enough to get there. Something the size of an ATGM may be able to, but that enters a different area of problems
@@swatboy763 I think you seriously underestimate the capability and advancement in computing. As someone who has worked in IT and with computers since the early 2000s, I have absolutely no issue believing we will see autonomous targeting from drones soon, and I guarantee you it is being testing and developed right now. How soon that stuff actually reaches the point of combat testing is hard to say, but we are seriously not far from that.
@@MikeBobby-l7o
It's still a matter of cost-effective mass production and deployment. Will you have some elite drones that do that? Sure. Will you have them as cheap as the hordes of current-day FPV drones? Almost certainly not.
Because they'll most likely require more expensive chips, that ups the cost per unit and limits their usability.
They'll be reserved to take out high value targets (armored vehicles, radar installations, command centers), not a fire team of grunts.
Don't feel safe, the Ukraine war has ominous signs of being a live-fire research and development test of how to create drones to hunt down humanity, against all of the weapons and creativity humans have developed.
A paranoid person might figure there's a logic behind the actions.
The dispersion might actually get you a hit if your aim is a little off. And there might be 5 or more guys firing at the drone at once. I'd give it a try if I didn't have anything else. If American or British soldiers had come up with this everyone would be saying it was a brilliant improvisation.
not necessarily, the british/american systems that dont work very well get Blasted by the firearms community and enginnering so idk what u mean
its good in the sense that it eliminates the need to carry around a random shotgun and 12ga ammo, but if it cant hit targets at greater range (100+ yards) then it really only acts as a bandaid on a much larger issue. Will be good for FPV drones.
@ Agreed
Такое мнение исключительно из за навязываемой западными СМИ,принадлежащими евреям,русофобии.Когда русских выставляют тупыми алкоголиками.А потом,когда огребают за свою русофобию,неприятно удивляются.Некоторые в момент подыхания.Что только стоит поход крестоносцев на Русь,когда этих рогатых идиотов заманили на лёд озера,где они провалились и безславно подохли
To be realistic, if the weapons even function well with this makeshift ammo, it is an ultra short range shotgun, firing seriously bad patterns, with almost no pellets to populate the patterns...
As an analogy, if you fired 00 buckshot at birds at 100 yards, you would almost NEVER hit anything, even rapid firing the entire magazine. The odd, random, rare hit WOULD be devastating. But shotgunning is a numbers game, relying on good patterns, sufficient velocity, enough pellets, of the minimum size, etc.
This rifle ammo, while interesting, has almost none of what it takes to be a high percentage life and death solution to the drone threat.
A full auto PPsH full of 100% tracer would be better.
Main Battle rifle?
>AK
SMG?
>AK
Machine Gun?
>AK
Sniper?
>AK
Anti Drone?
>AK
+Anti Aircraft
@@reyzhehal 4 parallel ak
Hotel?
> TriVaGo!
and
Wait till Russian use bigger bollet as anti material gun from AK base
No way in hell do these feed reliably from a magazine
6:40 how in the hell
Ak's, man.
lmao i was having the same thought then
damn that is crazy
You obviously never heard of AKs
It's all about the camera angles.. a rifle and a floppy woppy round wouldn't function reliably and we don't actually see the target impacts nor do we see shreds of colored plastic confetti
all that matters is that the length of the new cartridge matches and length of the original metal projectile, with sturdy enough binding around those ball bearings its as stiff and sturdy as the real thing, so theoretically you should not have any feeding issues, but however it may bring up alot more issues that doesnt have to do with feeding such as increased barrel ware
Remember when all laughed at tank cages, now every country installs them. These snake rounds will soon be a standard issue in every conflict zone.
Tank and vehicle cages have been around for decades, as have shotgun style rifle rounds.
@freedfree7933
Damn those tank cages against drones in WW2 must have been amazing.
"The Design is very human"
-some human
Bollox.
@
Cages started inter late 60’s early 60’s. They were designed for shaped charges and grenades.
Try using your head before saying something dumb.
Make a pirate blunderbuss
Filled with anything.
It would be based af to shoot down a drone with blackpowder gun
Rocks, ball bearings, bolts, hex nuts, acorns ohhh how the list goes on
@@floopydoopy9410 Don't forget a Pirate's favourite: Broken Glass.
they made it in 40's, called kakashnikov)))
Видимо так как делают солдаты,более улудшиный приносит результат,чем мушкет пиратский😂😂😂,дай бог им вернуться всем живым,и не покалеченным,дроны приносят огромные проблемы,отдельная война,отдельное противодействие.
Smooth bore 7.62x39 AK’s just entered the chat. 😂
Right! Yet they are using 5.45 apparently 🤔
They exist, I assume you know that. It's the .366 TKM, created to allow for Russian civilians to own Kalashnikov and SKS pattern firearms when they only have their shotgun license. Since the weapons are smoothbore, they are technically classified as shotguns.
@@mobilegamersunite and GIGN uses 7.62 lol guess everyone just uses what they prefer to use
I'm sure there is a lot of "smoothbore" aka barrel shot the hell out . That rifeling won't survive tens of thousands of rounds and I'm sure there is weapons out there with a lot more then that through em 😂
@@MarkPereira-jz4ct Only if the weapon was picked up by someone else. If we measure the average meat wave member's life expectancy in rounds fired by them, it's probably only in the tens of rounds at most.
Who would have thought buck and ball would come back!
I was thinking the same.
Full circle
Just buck, no ball's.
My thoughts exactly 😂
@@frank-mp3bq Blew them off to get medevac'd
Soldiers do what they have to do to survive. This is some neat improvisation.
Great video, ironic how every major power deals in arms business but an informative video from independant creators get demonetized.
Thanks for your support, much appreciated!!
Something tells me these will be put into serious production if proven. I don’t think the fouling could be that bad considering 5.45x39 blanks are made with PVC.
not really. it's huge pain in ass when you need to supply hundreds of of thousands of people
@@dsheshinnot necessarily. this kind of process is very easily automated, and improvements are likely possible to reduce barrel fouling.
Necessity is the mother of ingenuity. War is HELL
I feel like we're gonna see a lot of weird improvisations over the next few months as the weather bogs down soldiers movement
Honestly in Ukraine the summer and spring rain and mud season is what bogs down soldiers movement. Now that there is way more soldiers on the frontline than there were prior were probably going to see more maneuvers on the frozen ground
cold weather might cause problems from the drones honestly. those batteries dont perform well under freezing.
7:48
That makes sense. CMMG's manual for the AR-15 .22LR conversion kit says that "firing the 5.56x45 mm cartridge will fully clean any residual .22LR
lead fouling from the gas tube and gas port". If it can clean lead, it can also clean polymer from heat shrinks or whatever is used.
The underbarrel shotguns always seemed nice to me. No messing around with different ammunition in your main weapon, just have a separate attachement underneath. If im not mistaken, there is a semiautomatic underbarrel shotgun as well. M26 Mass? Something like that.
Yeah, having to deal with two different ammo types seems annoying, especially in the heat of battle. An under barrel shotgun or something small like a serbu shorty seems more ideal imho.
M26 is pump action, not semi auto
wouldn't have near the range and are very difficult to aim, also in general they are a terrible idea that makes guns very front heavy and heavier in general. there is a reason for all the attempts they never took off, they are incredibly impractical.
@@John-mf6ky if you were going to pack a special weapon, why take a super shorty, which would lack the range and power to effectively do the job? they are more portable, but lack basically every feature to be useful for the task.
@@sinisterthoughts2896because shot shells reach close to peak velocity no matter if you have a 6" barrel or a 36" barrel.
bro had the blue scav jacket
haha good eye man.
Bro stay off the game 😂😂😂
lol
Where?
@@firelion98 9:48
I find it really cool how crafty people can get before proper technology catches up to threats.
Improvisation is one of the coolest skills humans have.
Undoubtedly, knowing that not improvising could result in death or bodily injury helps a lot.
No doubt man!
Soldiers always come out with some really ingenious things in the field, especially when they have the down time.
drones fly super unpredictibly so I think an automated solution is better, like active protection on a tank
@@alf3071 That's what jammers are for, APS stuff is only gonna be good for wire guided drones.
If that's the future, maybe we should come back to flechette rounds for smoothbore barrels, since those ball bearings will destroy the rifle barrel anyway...
Он и так изнашивается с каждым выстрелом.Автоматы СССР/России способны работать до 7000 выстрелов,Калашникова из других стран до 5000 выстрелов.Тоесть на войне автомат и так приходит в негодность за год
The barrel is hardened steel, it will be fine (its the explosion and possible corossive salts in the powder that damage barrels, even in normal use)
@RAGOR-c8x It's gonna be closer to 20,000 and that's woth lose of accuracy. Gun will still work.
Unless a rifle is used for training many guns are damaged or lost before they are shot out
Los cañones están cromados por dentro@@ryanpeck3377
Looks to me like they're not loading with hardened bearing balls. There wouldn't really be much reason to do so anyways, since cheap lead shot would likely perform better with the extra density. My main concern is feed issues and fouling.
DIY puntguns might be a good way to counter drone swarms.
The issue at this time isn't really whether or not technologies exist to counter drones but rather you need technologies that can be carried by the individual rifleman on the ground. If you have like ten seconds to react to an incoming FPV drone or similar threat you don't really have the luxury of just getting out your stinger or similar sized implement to destroy drones. Counter-drone optics like the Israeli SMASH are a step in the right direction but still need a lot of work and economies of scale to make them economically viable.
@@matteusvirtanen392 home made double barrel pipe shotguns could be effective (if older sawed off double barrel shotguns are not available ) multiple barrel Pipe shotguns should be economically viable simple low component and cheap
@@Ginga-Ninja Shotguns themselves are a kind of a halfway solution at best. You don't really want to carry around multiple weapons and if you are in a defensive position you can probably do better. Even beyond that shotguns don't really have great interception rates for these drones and totally rely on the operator being a great shot and predicting the movements of the drone. Systems like SMASH or airbursting under barrel grenade launchers etc. have a lot more promise but again the price becomes an issue. Even if we went for a shotgun you would be far better off going for a semi-automatic or a fully automatic shotgun than some dual barreled hunting shotgun since the only factor that really matters is pure volume of fire since the expectations of accuracy are very low.
@@matteusvirtanen392 Nice! When did you get back? Are you still there?
LOL
Who knew when my grandpa was disassembling bullets and burning the propellant for our amusement; he was actually this close to the cutting edge of anti drone warfare!
The 5.45x39 ammunition Russia currently uses has a copper-washed, steel jacket, so I don't see how firing copper-washed steel BBs would cause any additional wear beyond what is already caused by the standard ammunition.
Not to mention those are for BB guns who have even cheaper barrels. They're a very mild steel.
Your main issue is plastic buildup from multiple firings. That'll get pushed ahead of the next solid round, forming an annular wedge in front of the projectile and causing a spike in chamber pressure that even the AK was not built for. Hence alternating rounds.
its way smaller and there are severl of them i see it fucking up the rifling though to be honest i think the way they are stacked you are getting more speed than out of a shotgun if you had to cover a large area of space with shots this wuld be a much better way to do it than that underbarrel thing untill you clog up the gas port in the barrel with the plastic
Because a rifle round engages the rifling and smoothly glides down the barrel whereas these are probably bouncing around in there fucking up the rifling
@dementedbowine8681 The steel ones aren't ideal. The lead ones much better. They'll also be doing roughly twice the speed of typical shotgun shot. Somewhat erratically, as they'll also be squashed.
I'm amazed these feed through the rifles as well as they do! Can't wait for American RUclipsrs to test this out and we can see exactly how effective they might be!
They will badmouth it because Russians invented it... When Ukrainians start using it, it will miraculously become genius.
Reloader here… That’s some hillbilly engineering. The lower weight of the air gun 4.5mm copper washed BB’s and the blow by of electrical shrink tube is keeping the rifle from blowing up.
Cheers!
except these are hillbilly muskets by now.
Yeah, the workshop scale stuff is using lead. It won't be long until someone sets up a crude injection moulding press that stomps out a more suitable load from better materials, factory loading into a waterproof case. Credit to the AK design for functioning.
A pre-scored plastic bullet with bird shot would work, kinda. The weight is too low to be ideal for drone work. As a kid, we loaded 8 bb’s in a crossman 760 and pumped it 10 times. It made a good short range shotgun. It did a number on doves close in. The best way to deal with drone threats are radio signal jamming and shotguns with large shell capacity. I would use a AK based 12 gauge shotgun with 10 round magazines.
I can’t remember the name of the company, there was a 12 gauge shell loaded with steel cubes, that had sharp corners. That round would be ideal for drones.
Cheers!
@@GlockamoleG17 The more serious lead ones pack more momentum, and I can guarantee they won't be spherical when they leave the barrel!
@@VikOlliverfor real, I was thinking the whole time, there’s no way these cycle, there’s no way. Big fan of the reliability and ruggedness of the AK platform, I’ve been really debating on gas or piston for my first assault rifle, and I think I’ve got my answer.
Really surprised it cycles. Until it showed the guy demonstrating it at 7:10 I assumed it would have to be manually racked.
Same
gas operated. AK is especially overgassed to make up for variance and poor quality ammo
@@Sockem1223 yeah but no semi gun will cycle if it doesn’t have enough back pressure from the round. Gas port could be the size of a dime but it’s not gonna cycle with a blank. Can’t imagine the little bb’s really weigh that much but I could be wrong
@@jleonard377 Back pressure is mainly a function of the case sealing to the chamber wall, having no bullet to push clearly won't reduce it enough to matter, and blanks do in fact cycle even in AR platforms, though you will want to make sure its extra clean in the case of the AR.
@ they cycle if they have a BFA or a plugged barrel in the case of movie guns. I’ve shot many type of blanks through many types of semi platforms and never once has any of them cycles without some modification to the original platform
0:36 I find that really funny. Russia is using chain-shot to fight drones (chain-shot being a form of ammunition in old sail ships used to target masts)
insert if it works meme
☝️🤓 akchually its cannister shot
@@joemama.556 ☝🤓akchualy it's chain-shot and cannister shot is basically a lighter version of grape shot
that's not chain shot, it's basically micro grape shot, or arguably cannister shot.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 The photo at the beginning of the video shows chain shot, although weirdly, it's not commented on by the narrator.
This is actually brilliant. For all the doubters, this is far far better than getting “blown up” by a drone.
It would be kinda funny if we are entering a timeline where a "AD (Anti-Drone) Rifleman" becomes a position in some squads. Kitted out with some sort of semi-auto shotgun as a secondary and a whole bunch of anti drone countermeasures in a big ass pack like what you see with an AT rifleman for tanks.
Drones are a pretty big hobby especially when covid was going on, when this war started using them I honestly though how scary these things are because if your not paying attention these come at you so quick and quiet its almost too late to react.
Exactly.
You know it's like really easy to arm drones with buckshot too. Drone on drone warfare and gunned drones will be very interesting to see develop.
Problem is needing a safe place to control the drones from while protecting your troops, while also having a high enough resolution camera and fast enough video transfer rate to make aerial combat effective
@@lordhellfire153 problem is needing a man-portable drone that won't immediately fall apart from the recoil of a buckshot round.
@@gfmustard that too
Bucksot has recoil , airsoft gun are way to goon drones.
Drone on drone warfare already is a thing, nets, guns, ramming. It is WW1-WW2 aerial warfare all over again but rapidly.
One benefit of alternating conventional ammo with "buckshot" is the improvised round may feed more reliably from either the right or the left. With alternating ammo you can reliably always feed the unusual round from one side.
It feeds into the chamber from the same position in the magazine, there is no left or right for the top position in the magazine.
@@hopkinsfamily1891 You can clearly see the top round in the mag is either on the right or left, it doesn't narrow down to present a single round. Most pistols do that but AK rifles do not.
Watch it again, the primary reason for loading rounds alternating is, "to maximize ability to deal with different dangers," if I got the wording correctly -- first video -- there are other threats besides drones!
5:10 A match made in heaven with the AN-94 😂
most mechanically complex rifle and ammo made from balls bearings on a kitchen. Romeo and Juliet of our time.
Oh fuck yeah!
Armies around the world are going to have to either develop a new rifle ammunition to dispatch drones or change military doctrine to include elite squads of trap/skeet shooters armed with drum or belt-fed fully automatic shotguns to blast incoming drones from the sky.
Either way, this is bound to get really interesting.
EDIT: Quick, someone send this to Taofledemaus, Brandon Herrera or Kentucky Ballistics!
It's going to be a drone arms race with drones of all sorts and anti drone drones of ever increasing capabilty. It's really quite scary where this technology could take us. Imagine dropping a few hundred thousand anti personnel mini drones on an area from a cargo aircraft and they us AI to act as a co ordinated swarm and seek out and kill everyone they are programmed to.
Or simply an masterkey like underbarrel shotgun attachment like any granade launcher, you get a proper shotgun alongside your rifle and don't need to change ammo.
for psychopaths
@@C0lon0 Problem is that would be heavy and cumbersome, also slow to reload. And now you have to carry two different calibers.
@giantent763 but it would be more practical than carrying an separate shotgun, the soldier can simply shoot the drone using the underbarrel shotgun without the need to switch weapons, saving time and lives, also you don't need every soldier with one, just a few within the group carrying the masterkey and the ammo, much like you have soldiers with LMGs and granade launchers.
I’ve found that if you cut the very tip off cheap birdshot 12ga shells, then insert a couple inch long piece of wooden oak dowel that is just a fraction smaller than the barrel diameter, it makes environmentally safe anti-drone ammo that can be safely fired into the air even in residential areas.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
However this russian "snekalka" , not invention. So it won't work
@@tetispinkman9135 "Smekalka". A invention mindset, I would say.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Assuming the shock of firing is sufficient to release the shot from the sleeve, it might actually help hit probability that the rifling isn't engaged. It tends to spread the pattern into a too-wide ring.
I believe that these should have significant merit. Lead will not cause additional wear on riffling. Plastic and lead will not cause a barrel obstruction, but will cause fowling. Depends on the plastic but cleaning may be challenging to remove it.
Firing a FMJ round in a fowled barrel hardens and bakes the residual plastic making it more difficult to remove, requiring solvents and bronze brush scrubbing. You’d never get if off with patching.
Sabot rifle, shotgun rounds leave plastic and I’ve seen this.
Mild steel brushes work better to remove the hardened fouling. There is one called the tornado brush that basically cuts the fouling out.
I agree Pete. But I don't think that the guys creating these rounds could care less about the maintenance of their rifles.
i got second hand saiga from someone there is little small spots on rifling.tried to remove it cleaning no luck.what is it ? how do i remove it ?
@@LoneSurvivalist-x6s Have you tried Hoppe's #9?
You might examine more closely, to see if the rifling is pitted from rusting, if Hoppe's #9 does not dissolve it. Follow the instructions carefully.
I think lack of accuracy is a benefit when your trying to scatter rounds to hit a drone. this could foul up the gun eventually but the risk of damaging the gun is less than dying from a drone attack.
I build ammo for .177 pellet rifles like this.
I use coffee filters for paper because its thinner, make a shell & put 6-8 birdshot in. Cut a coin off the end of a cigarette butt and pinch some fiber off to squish into the shell. Crimp the open end/tip by rolling it in your fingers.
Shockingly similar just different tech (break barrel vs a literal AK)
Can upload a video of the process?
Setting up an adapter for a grenade launcher and muzzle loading shotgun shells sounds like a terribly clunky process as a drone zips around trying to kill you. This seems like a slightly better solution, but thinking pragmatically, there should probably be a designated anti-drone role at the squad level who carries a 12guage along with his AK. Pump shotguns can cost as little as $200.
Wow, all that work to fire 4 BB’s per shot. A 12 gauge shotgun with standard waterfowl shells shoots about 70 BB’s per shot.
well well well, not only have they created an anti-drone weapon of sorts but they also turned a standard AK into a shotgun, a fully auto shotgun. I mean like shit that is so cool
Is there anything an ak can’t do ? As horrible as everything is it’s still fascinating that Kalashnikov design this like 70 yr ago
it can't do this, this is bs
@@theanimatedjunkyard5921 any reasonable proof whatsoever?
@@shmalevolokno literally anyone who has experience with shotshell cartridges will tell you how horrible the spread is at just 5 meters. They do not cycle well in semis and mess up your rifling on top of that. There's a reason why they are not a commercial success. If anything #8 in Ivan's grandfathers WWII side by side would have been better that these
Crossman is loving this
I cant imagine these feeding well out of a magazine (or flying in a straight line when fired)
Literally had a demo of it in the video.
When shit hits the fan, anything goes.
I feel like the whole point of the round itself was to not fly completely straight lol
Buddy. They aren't supposed to fly in a straight line ideally
@@jintsuubest9331
But did we?
This is pretty interesting. I know that they’re working with what they have and it is impressive. I’m sure it’s easier than acquiring different weapons systems. But it seems like it would be better especially with the trench warfare to have a designated shotgunner in each squad using something like #4 buckshot for both trench engagements as well as drone dispatching. There’s a lot of inexpensive but decently solid Turkish semi autos, the old tried and true Mossberg 500/590, Remington 870 pumps, and clones out there that are widely available.
Про загрязнение газоотвода могу сказать так: это АК, давление в газоотводе в 5 раз больше чем в АРке, и там всë свободно, конечно газоотвод забьëтся, но это произойдëт не через 40 выстрелов, а больше 100, не меньше.
Имею опыт обращения с гражданским АК, Сайга 410, ствол 415 мм, в котором отверстие газоотвода 5 мм и пластиковый пыж пули срезается немного и втягивается в газоотвод, откуда я его через 10 магазинов вычищаю.
Ак стреляет без крышки газоотвода. Можно просто его убрать если надоест чистить
@@МаксимКузнецов-г7п и получать газами в лицо
Excellent video! Using hardened ball bearing type projecticles cannot be good for the gun barrel. However, necessity is the mother of invention, eh?-John in Texas
.177 BB ammo isn't hardened.
Who is really enjoying this war is the bloggers.
There is no video without big and undeletаble watermark of some blogger. They are fighting for exclusive videos
The telegram channels always throw one on. Many are the original uploaders so it makes sense for the original source. What I find annoying is people putting watermarks on content that isn't theirs. C'est la guerre.
9:48 I see that he's got his Baofeng UV-25 radio in the background there. It's a decent radio for the price (i own one) but if that's what I had to rely on in combat, I'd be pretty upset... Nothing but the best.
Looks like he is in a police uniform
Fellas, you thinkin what im thinkin?? The GLORIOUS return of the _Blunderbuss!?_
Your pronunciation of "bookshot" makes me smile
Such a light load to get it in a magazine and also feed right.
Yoy can easily cast lead and solder between 2 clamped boards, btw. Just drill where they meet together, any diameter you want if you have wire drills. Use pine or something soft.
Stating the obvious: Seems like the 7.62 would be a much better round to try this with than the 5.45 as the larger bore gives much more room for multiple small projectiles...
But, desperation can lead to some odd decision making..
If they extended the neck of the cartridge case stacking jacketed wadcutter type projectiles might be possible. duplex and triplex loads in straight wall cases have been a real thing for years.
Can't extent the neck of the case without reaming the chamber, if you are going to make a gun that can only shoot these rounds might as well use a better one such as a 12 ga. shotgun that can send a lot more shot down range.
Anyone who flew an FPV drone knows that throwing a jacket or any cloth or a tree branch works wonders against the propellers.
At that distance drone would detonate, and no amount of jackets or blankets will save you.
The last time I was this early, Bashar wasn't wishing he had stayed an eye doctor.
@jackcavendish8900 Dude what? Damascus is occupied. Members of Assad's family were hanged in public last night. Russia and Iran have withdrawn support of Assad's government. Unless Assad has the power of time travel or the entire world suddenly wants to help him, it's over. Jolani is shitting in Assad's toilet, literally as we speak. Russians are evacuating from the last two bases friendly to the Assad regime in Jablah and Nuri al Qarnayn, hell Jablah might even be empty already.
What are you even trying to reference lmao, it's over. Assad lost.
Ha, got ‘em.
wasn't he a dentist?
@@giogio51592 No, opthamologist.
Syrians are gonna be like Libya 🇱🇾
They will say "we miss the good old days" 😂😂
In the states this is called snake shot. I have some for my 38spl
Much, much bigger than snake shot.
jesus, how effective do you think snake shot in a 9mm or 45 be when dealing with drones? itd have to be super close but i feel like with all those videos of the fpv drones look on the casualtys face before hitting them id carry a sidearm full for a last ditch defense.
@@terrencepayne1371 If you're close enough for the 'dust' shot in handgun snake shot rounds to possibly be effective against a drone, you're more than close enough to hit it with actual bullets. We are talking an effective range in feet, not yards. In fact, if you have a semi-auto, snake shot almost definitely wouldn't cycle, and would therefore be virtually useless for last-ditch drone defense even if the shot was somehow effective.
Bird Shot
@@jic1 wonder what a big bore revolver with snake shot would be like against a drone? Probably still terrible range though.
I would be interested to see some confirmed testing. The holes in that target did not look believable for 4.5mm BBs...
They are made of steel though, and they'd each be going over 700 metres per second. That's easily enough to perforate thin steel sheet.
@debbiegilmour6171 We'll see I guess. The grouping seemed a little suss too imo considering the range and being the equivalent of smooth bore projectiles...
@@debbiegilmour6171 steel shot slows down, like it's wearing a parachute :(
@@debbiegilmour6171 You don't know the speed. There will be gas blow by in the barrel.
@@m2hmghb TBF, I made a rough estimation in my initial comment. But a speed for the ball bearings can be calculated quite easily.
We can assume that the plastic will be deformed enough to create an effective gas seal in the barrel, so we can stop worrying about gas blow by too.
4.5mm steel BBs have a weight of around 0.35g. Seven of them equals a mass of 2.45g.
The mass of a typical 5.45×39 mm bullet is around 3.50g. These give us muzzle energies of about 1,400J.
We can assume that all the propeller's energy is transferred to the projectile package as it is in the case of a normal 5.45 mm bullet.
Rearranging the kinetic energy equation in terms of velocity gives us v = √(2×E/m) which is 1,069 m/s, or 3,510 fps.
Actually calculating the deceleration of a projectile due to drag (especially a supersonic one) is actually not a trivial matter and involves maths which I'd have to reference in textbooks that I don't have access to and would have to solve using numerical methods with a computer anyway. Therefore, I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption to assume around 300-400 m/s of velocity lost over about 20 m. Small steel ball bearings doing 700 m/s is easily enough to perforate the thin steel sheets from the demonstration and definitely enough to shatter the fragile plastic casings of these drones, thereby knocking them out of the sky.
They don't need to be long range or accurate. Instead of 6 steel balls they could be 10 or 12 lead disks. Cut angles on them so they can pack tightly together in a spiral pattern. The angles will throw off the balance of each disk. The spiral will spread them out in different directions. Make them 5.45 mm. Maybe they'll grip the rifling without tumbling. Fire full auto bursts. Russian engineers could figure it out. They could even stamp an indentation in the back of each disk and a round protrusion on the front that fits in the hole of the next disk.
Like that AK rifle from the movie Elysium with explosive rounds
honestly the alternating tracer round idea isn't bad. theoretically the tracers could help a little to burn out plastic residue
They probably stay clumped together like a cut shell I would like to see a better test of the dispersion.
Funny they would leave that part out, eh? The one thing that could prove or disprove effectiveness.
I wonder why….
@@choccolocco lol... you and I know why. The rifling spun that little packet to pieces....
@robertmueller6979 That would be ideal for anti drone. I wonder if the steel balls trying to displace each other would tear up the rifling super fast and ruin the barrel for normal ammo.
@@lililililililili8667 The problem is that the rifling scatters any loose load in a huge pattern anywhere from 5 to 10 feet wide within feet of the muzzle. That goes for all rifled firearms shooting shot including shotguns. That why most fowling guns are smooth bore shotguns. Rifling scatters shot everywhere and you can't hit a dang thing. Do that with only a very few projectiles and the chances of hitting anything directly in front of you rapidly reach zero. A lower number of projectiles is much worse. In this case, with rifling and a horrendously low shot count, the projected hit rate is zero right from the start. It's physics; you can't beat it and they actually have shot formulas if you are interested. Additionally your projectiles need weight to carry enough energy to actually damage your target. With such small balls titanium, heavier than lead, is your only solution. Steel is a joke and will just bounce off the frame. If they get lucky they might directly hit the fuse or disrupt a prop. Doubtful though.
@@robertmueller6979 You wrote so very much that is usually true, but is book knowledge rather than experience, and in this case isn't quite correct in assumptions, resulting in being completely wrong. Oh, and _titanium_ is far lighter than steel, not heavier.
necessity is the mother of invention
I think long term infantry shooting down FPV drones won't be viable, today we are seeing commercial quadcopters that are pretty slow but in a few years I think purpose built fixed wing drones will be more common and much faster.
We already have inexpensive fast versions of both that are cheaper than a single round of artillery's what makes these quadcopters more desirable is that they can change direction pretty quick while being quiet. I live in a area where drones where a big 2020 hobby and when the war started using these drones, I honestly though how terrifying it must be for both sides because you really don't hear them in most environments, especially a battlefield.
Perhaps in the future drones will have to be dealt with AA weapons just like airplanes were before the 1950s
@@gamerbg294 theoretically speaking, you could make a sized down version of the Metal Storm, and have the artillery entirely controlled by a computer.
@@Upsidedownzack бесшумно? Дрон не бесшумный. Да, коптер наблюдатель может быть на большом расстоянии. Но если речь о сбросах, то такой уже можно услышать. А если это FPV камикадзе, несущий несколько кг взрывчатки, то он визжит как ведьма. Слышно очень хорошо.
Другое дело, что не всегда есть время для реакции. И попасть в дрон сложно.
@@Zordeos I guess I didn't think about the stress from a good size payload making it noisy. I made that comment based on my own experiences with FPVs speed and lack of noticeable noise until its near
OK, formally, air rifle BB's are NOT ball bearings or "buckshot". They really are BB size "shot". Buckshot starts at about .24 caliber
If these BBs start out near 3,000fps (which is very possible), they might retain useful velocity to 100 yards. Realistically, a single carefully placed shot might keep 3 pellets on a target the size of a house's front door at that distance. On a good day.
Need to see testing!
Source: trust me bro
I don't feel like looking deep into this but if they replicate the weight of the original bullet and the plastic works to transfer the spin of the rifling to every projectile. These should have incredible range, velocity and accuracy unlike a shotgun.
Similar to how a rifled muzzleloader firing a patched ball has much greater range than an unstabilized ball. Each of these balls should still be spun by the rifling.
As for plastic fouling in the barrel. It's pretty much a non issue. Plastic fouling is easier to remove than any other. It beats the hell out copper and lead fouling.
Accurate but misleading. *BB* lead shot is .180" and air rifles are .177" (4.5mm) ...in addition, the Crosman "Copperhead" BB's aren't *lead shot* -- they are copper-plated steel ball bearings!
@@TristanMorrow three thousandths? Do U even know what the tolerances are on shot? It's +/- one entire size!
@@TristanMorrow They are NOT "ball bearings". That is simply untrue.
Writing "Rolls Royce" on a Kia with a sharpie, doesn't make it one.
conclusion. they just invented a new way to fire shotgun ammunition.
Wonder how reliable air cannons with nets set around the trenches etc would work as a backup etc
The elysium ak-47 is becoming REALer everyday and im all up for it IT JUST NEEDS that laser rangefinder thing and its cook
I wonder how many times they had to fly the drone over before he hit it?
Former co-worker of mine used to be stationed on a US sub sometime before 2018. Some of the guys on the sub including himself were given the task of brainstorming some concepts to counter civilian drones observing the subs operations while in port. He came up with the idea of having a falcon on board that was trained to fly around and hunt drones. They ended up not going with his idea but I feel like anti-drone falcons are seeming more viable each and every day.
Several countries already have raptors trained to take down drones. But they are generally effective only against video drones, not FPV
Sea gulls are a lot more common than raptors near any coast, and they are extremely easily trained.
Rat shot but slightly bigger pellets
I've trained a falcon to drop a tangled rope on drone's propellers. It costs me nothing as rope is reusable, my falcon eats rodents, and I even get to capture drones that are still functioning
The Indian military uses falcons against Pakistani drones, but Indian falcons have a small pulsed microwave electronic warfare system hanging around their necks.
during covid i couldnt find any buckshot for sale, so i took birdshot shells, emptied them. and replaced the shot with those 1.77 call bbs. kind of as a home defense round. They work alright but only at close range. After that expirence i am dubious at how effective those bbs would work against a drone. and the range. i think the heavier lead buckshot might have a better chance but the steel bb gun ammo is just too light in my opinion. not to mention how itll effect the gun.wouldnt be supised if it damages more guns than not. i am a hand loader in .223 and 9mm... i can just imagine the pressure that is generating with the wire covers and balls. love to see an actual demo at 25 yards and see the pattern and if it is effective
It undoubtedly has the chance of essentially rattling and rolling down the barrel and with steel bbs I imagine it’s HELL for commie carbon steel barrels. That metallurgy is sound but based on fairly old principles and tradition
ever seen how frail drone props are? this isn't flesh and bone we need to pierce, a singe interception is more than enough to take out a drone, the hard part is saturating the airspace enough to clip the thing, you really don't need much energy to break a prop, if the drone is moving the rotor above hovering speed just getting a steel ball in the way shatters the blade. similar for the support beams and cables, a weak support throws off the ballance and a shorted wire disabled the whole propeller!
how to mess up your rifling 101
@arandomvisitor6878 Right !
One of the main reasons I love AKs is you can shove all kinds of ammo in it from nice brass, shitty budget steel. And now even home cooked makeshift buckshot. Even a mix of everything and the mf still cycles. Out of thousands of rounds the only failure I ever had wasn't even the AK's fault. It was a faulty cartridge that expanded inside the chamber. And it took 2 seconds to fix by slamming the charging handle into a bench and ripping that mf out. It has never jammed on me, failed to extract, or had a multiple feed. Simple, Rugged, Reliable and Versatile. In my eyes it is still the top contender for long-term large-scale warfare. Meanwhile all the M4's I used in the Army jammed, double fed, failed to extract ect at least a few times. Even when squeaky clean, lubed and with Pmags. Those failures are what made me buy an AK for personal use.
Crossman makes BB and pellet guns. Those are not ball bearings, they are BB’s.
What do you think BB stands for?
BB stands for ball bearing lol...... 'Pellet' guns shoot conical rounds.
@@alexeytsybyshev9459 Benazir Bhutto, the former Pakistani prime minister, nickname BB
@@alexeytsybyshev9459 The difference is ball bearings are typically hardened - bbs are not because of how mild the steel in the barrels is.
@@alexeytsybyshev9459 BB is the size of the shot. They go down in numbers as they get bigger 6, 5, 4, 2, 1 then 0, 00, then BB, BBB, T and F. Another great example of American units.
When is the taofledermaus review video?
human creativity is amazing
Yes, but russians steal the idea from Ukrainians.
Thank you very much..... Very smart and ingenious use of on hand materials to combat drone threats... VERY COOL.... LOVE IT....😊😊😊
Practical war developments
I'm higly certain that we will see this developed further
Improvents to the bullet design to be more reliable and less taxing on the rifle as well as higher fire rates from the rifle will probably follow
shotgun shells need volume, thats why most common cartridges are very large diameter (12g, 10g, smallest usually is 20g)
and thats why .410 are kinda trash, they are too small and dont hold a lot of projectiles
@lefunnyN1 I guess it makes up with fire rate and versatility
Not carrying a whole seperate gun or having to specialise people with shotguns or having to attach a underslung shotgun would save weight nor having to spend the time to add a shotgun muzzle attachment instead being able to quickly swap a mag which soldiers are already trained to do quickly and under pressure
And at the end of the day a anti-drone mag would kill a guy all the same
@@bromine_35 they are loading 17 cal pellets, into those shells and there is only a couple pellets in each one, the spread pattern will be very inconsistent and terminal balistics will also be terrible, again .410 shells are very similar in its flaws, but at least 410 have more volume to load them
@@bromine_35 btw saiga used to make a little ak style 410 shotgun
Good video format. Well done.
Thanks, lots like it on the channel if you haven't checked them out.
Certainly seems to make more sense than that single shot adapter nonsense
I bet these feed like shit from a mag
@@PhilMcRack-u7v on anything but an AK, you'd be right.
On the AK, it's feed geometry is in-line with the chamber. The feed ramp is very "flat" so to speak. This means the plastic crimps never hit the feed ramps, it just slots into the chamber.
@@PhilMcRack-u7v blud didn't even watch the video
And what was on the video? One magazine shot. And it's your proof it will never jam?@@iota515
I certainly don't believe every video I see on the internet lol
Just a point of correction, the Crosman pellets aren't "ball bearings" but ammunition for air rifles.
What the hell do you think BB stands for SMH
@@colind6797 Funny, and logical but, wrong association.
Actual Ball Bearings are hardened steel with tight tolerances. 'BB' shot, is a size classification for shot sized ~0.17" regardless of material. (There's also BBB, F, T, etc. birdshot.)
Didn't they already have an AK shotgun the saiga 12?
Low availability and questionable reliability
@@NiSE_Rafter And expensive AF.
Yes, but an extra gun to carry? This solution probably beats it in the eyes of most soldiers.
Especially since it gives you a bona fide 12Ga buckshot load every three ir two of those jury-rigged rounds loaded
Taking notes for the drone epidemic rn
I, for one, completely believe these cycle all the time, every time 👍
thanks for the audio description
no way those rounds feed from a magazine
A wrap of thin copper sheeting around the shrink-wrap would eliminate the plastic fouling problem. Just like a copper jacket on a standard round, occasional copper cleaning/de-fouling would be sufficient.
How are you intending on copper plating shrink tube? Even if you could, it would then hold all the bb's together which would defeat the entire purpose of the round.
3:30: those bbs look too big to be .177. Maybe 22s.
Could be!
.22 BBs are 5.56 mm. Russia's main battle rifle is 5.45mm.
this is actually pretty genious, i actually see how these rounds could be easily put on an automatic assembly line to be produced, drone combat gonna end as quickly as it started
Дистанция выстрела слишком маленькая. Так что проблема решена не будет.
А если дрон производит сбросы с высоты 50 метров, то поможет только полноценное гладкоствольное ружьё.
This isnt gonna end drone useage ever.
@@fennoman9241 haters gonna hate
@@Zordeos yes indeed, but from a height of 50 meters, personnel with have enough time to run, or other conditions will give most drones accuracy problems. And of course, no problem is always fully solved, but this is a pretty good solution
@@Mah_guy its just a fact
Russian ingenuity never fails to impress me.
Maybe its because I don't know shit about AKs, but seeing those improvised rounds in that magazine is setting off red flags. I think expecting all of those to feed correctly is asking a lot to go right.
Remember that most loads operating g on the cartridge during loading operate on the casing, not the projectile.
They'll feed if they don't get too warm outside the breech. Of course, a factory one would be hot-moulded from a suitable plastic with a decent base. Bet you that's in the works somewhere.
I have those exact same cutters for work. Crazy we have the same tools in different countries
true is war is always benefiting big boys - arms manufacturers and whole industries surrounding
I feel like that is going to destroy the rifling of the barrel.
I am sure the soldiers getting FPV'd are happy that at least the rifling on their busted old AK-74 didn't get degraded in the engagement
Better to have a shot out barrel than casualties. It's not like these guys need sub MOA groups either lol..
Most airgun BBs are copper coated and are not hardened like real ball bearings.
Recall, mild steel is/was commonly used as a bullet jacket by former Warsaw Pact nations.
3:00 What's supposed to seperate the bb's? Wouldn't they just fly together still wrapped up? It's not like a shotgun shell, where the bb's are sittin' loose inside. Or would the shot blow em apart?
I think the theory is the process of being fired and projected melts up the plastic and frees the BBs. In practice, not so sure.
The BB rounds probably have a different result every time the gun is shot
Shotgun shot isent “sittin loose inside” the casing, Within maybe 7 yards the shot is still held together within the wad. Point blank range bird shot is the same as being hit with a slug.
The heatshrink acts as a wad or sabot. The concept is that the heatshrink gets damaged/stripped away during firing and exits the muzzle more like a *discarding* sabot shell.
Theoretically, this would foul the muzzle device but, muzzle blast might keep it clear. dunno.