Very good explanation. You are very articulate and efficient in presentation. I am now subscribed, Kudos. The Victron web page says: The Orion XS operates at an impressive 98,5% efficiency. That's 5 times more efficient than its predecessors. Its ultra efficient components and aluminium circuit board technology also mean less heat. A victron dealer web page says: Victron has re-designed the electronics in the Orion XS to use an innovative aluminium circuit board cooling technology that provides a staggering 98% efficiency (up from 87% in the Orion-Tr Smart), massively reducing heat generation and making better use of the alternator's output.
Wow, 87% is very low..., I think they have updated the Orion to current technology. DC-DC is quite different from AC, and can be done very efficiently. My mppt is rated for the same 98% though, and has that orion style big cooling block.
@charlesklaus6290 I feel the same! If you've ever touched a charge controller that has been close to maximum output for a few minutes you'd know how hot even the large versions get. In most cases it's not comfortable to even put your hand on the blue plastic part...
I have always taken JPEG's of all the stickers as well as the sticker on the box and placed those images linked to the component on the installed blueprint we provide at the closing of the job.
Isn't the sticker with PIN and PUK codes also present on the box? Saves you from having to undo part of your setup just to read the sticker on the side of the unit. And as some other comments already mention: With higher efficiency of the internals, the heat dissipation is way less, making heat sinks obsolete. This is a big advantage!
8:10 My stuff that has had a "non zero" code has had an EXTRA sticker in the box usually in a baggie with the mounting screws, but I STILL recommend taking a PICTURE of the sticker on the device BEFORE install to avoid the PIA you speak of for sure!!!
I recently convert to lithium from AGM on my Sprinter motor home. I Installed the new 50A Orion DC to DC charger as well as the new Victron smart shunt. Your videos were very helpful in setting up the bluetooth app. I installed an Epoch Essentials 460Ah lithium battery and used the Epoch recommended setting for absorption and float which are somewhat lower than others. I suspect Victron will be coming out with an updated solar controller and will wait to make that change.
This video was made as a "first impression" type video to showcase the drastic design differences between old and new. The informative video on the 50A version will be coming once we have it installed and get some run time with it.
I want to do the exact oposite. I want to charge from my campervans "home" lifepo4 bettery the agm "car" battery as I am parking for long times. It is possible with trio and orion ?
Power supply vs charger mode? Safe to assume PS provides a constant DC output and takes away the charging circuit intelligence? Maybe an option if charging an all in one solar generator that has a buit in BMS?
If the heatsink is smaller it means the converter is more efficient is my first and only conclusion. Knowing victron, that will indeed be the case. Also I think the MPPT is still an old build. But I am with you, let's watch the IR cam
100% agree with you and that is a great idea! Maybe we will set up the old and new side by side and run them for an hour while monitoring temps. Thanks!
Thank you for the video. This Orion DC-DC XS has only negative pole input, so I guess it is not insulated. I would like to mount it on a motorhome that has the services battery with the negative terminal not connected to the chassis of the vehicle. Can I still mount it by also connecting the negative pole of the services battery with the negative pole of the engine battery? Do you see any contraindications? What risks am I taking in doing this? Thank you very much for your reply.
@Angelo-tu9rj that's correct, they Do not have the 50A version in the isolated configuration yet. There should be no inherent risks in combining both battery grounds to the chassis so long as they are both 12v.
You don’t answer the question in the title- just seem suspicious that better, more efficient technology has less wasted heat. Other than that, a great video.
Regulation s now have changed here in OZ.You cant install wire your own caravan. So some of the crap the manufacturers are doing is in support of the new regs.Spec8al screws /tools only dealers have is an old trick it comes in many forms.Software ,IT is the worst.Anyway great video .
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Very good explanation. You are very articulate and efficient in presentation. I am now subscribed, Kudos.
The Victron web page says:
The Orion XS operates at an impressive 98,5% efficiency. That's 5 times more efficient than its predecessors. Its ultra efficient components and aluminium circuit board technology also mean less heat.
A victron dealer web page says:
Victron has re-designed the electronics in the Orion XS to use an innovative aluminium circuit board cooling technology that provides a staggering 98% efficiency (up from 87% in the Orion-Tr Smart), massively reducing heat generation and making better use of the alternator's output.
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Wow, 87% is very low..., I think they have updated the Orion to current technology. DC-DC is quite different from AC, and can be done very efficiently. My mppt is rated for the same 98% though, and has that orion style big cooling block.
Even with the big increase in efficiency I'd still feel better with a heat sink. Thanks for your informative videos!
@charlesklaus6290 I feel the same! If you've ever touched a charge controller that has been close to maximum output for a few minutes you'd know how hot even the large versions get. In most cases it's not comfortable to even put your hand on the blue plastic part...
Thanks for the review. Can’t wait for the testing videos.
I have always taken JPEG's of all the stickers as well as the sticker on the box and placed those images linked to the component on the installed blueprint we provide at the closing of the job.
Isn't the sticker with PIN and PUK codes also present on the box? Saves you from having to undo part of your setup just to read the sticker on the side of the unit.
And as some other comments already mention: With higher efficiency of the internals, the heat dissipation is way less, making heat sinks obsolete. This is a big advantage!
@WimZindler They have now started putting a sticker in the box with the equipment but they weren't doing that a few months ago.
8:10 My stuff that has had a "non zero" code has had an EXTRA sticker in the box usually in a baggie with the mounting screws, but I STILL recommend taking a PICTURE of the sticker on the device BEFORE install to avoid the PIA you speak of for sure!!!
I recently convert to lithium from AGM on my Sprinter motor home. I Installed the new 50A Orion DC to DC charger as well as the new Victron smart shunt. Your videos were very helpful in setting up the bluetooth app. I installed an Epoch Essentials 460Ah lithium battery and used the Epoch recommended setting for absorption and float which are somewhat lower than others. I suspect Victron will be coming out with an updated solar controller and will wait to make that change.
@danc907 right on! Glad you could get something from it, thanks for the support on the channel!
Smaller also due to difference in input voltage/amps. Less maximum watts to concert/dissipate
Great information. Now three months later have you seen any heating problems with the fin-less design?
1:50 You should have checked the numbers before. The Orion XS has way better efficiency. So less cooling is needed.
This video was made as a "first impression" type video to showcase the drastic design differences between old and new. The informative video on the 50A version will be coming once we have it installed and get some run time with it.
98% efficient = less heat 🥳🎉🎊
I want to do the exact oposite. I want to charge from my campervans "home" lifepo4 bettery the agm "car" battery as I am parking for long times. It is possible with trio and orion ?
Power supply vs charger mode? Safe to assume PS provides a constant DC output and takes away the charging circuit intelligence? Maybe an option if charging an all in one solar generator that has a buit in BMS?
That's correct, constant DC output when in power supply mode.
If the heatsink is smaller it means the converter is more efficient is my first and only conclusion. Knowing victron, that will indeed be the case. Also I think the MPPT is still an old build.
But I am with you, let's watch the IR cam
100% agree with you and that is a great idea! Maybe we will set up the old and new side by side and run them for an hour while monitoring temps. Thanks!
Thank you!
Needs setting for current limit, I binned old 30a unit as it cooks at 30a on lithium
Yeah you can adjust the output in the app or just buy the size that is correct for your build. Either way will work fine!
Thank you for the video.
This Orion DC-DC XS has only negative pole input, so I guess it is not insulated.
I would like to mount it on a motorhome that has the services battery with the negative terminal not connected to the chassis of the vehicle.
Can I still mount it by also connecting the negative pole of the services battery with the negative pole of the engine battery?
Do you see any contraindications? What risks am I taking in doing this? Thank you very much for your reply.
@Angelo-tu9rj that's correct, they Do not have the 50A version in the isolated configuration yet. There should be no inherent risks in combining both battery grounds to the chassis so long as they are both 12v.
Thanks for your feedback. Yes both are 12v. Thanks
You don’t answer the question in the title- just seem suspicious that better, more efficient technology has less wasted heat. Other than that, a great video.
If you're opperating more efficiently you'll create less heat. Thereby reducing the need to dissipate it
Waiting for the 12 to 24 volt version.
Regulation s now have changed here in OZ.You cant install wire your own caravan. So some of the crap the manufacturers are doing is in support of the new regs.Spec8al screws /tools only dealers have is an old trick it comes in many forms.Software ,IT is the worst.Anyway great video .
If it uses the new semiconductors then it will produce much less heat.
Cut your video in half. It's nice video but you repeat yourself way too often and even multiple times. It is very tiring

@tucoremirezful Appreciate the feedback!