You're wrong about activities. Korean idols go on a lot of variety shows, make exclusove content online for their fans and they also model and do brand deals, some make appearances in movies & tv shows and make appearances at other events so you're wrong about Korean idols having limited activities
Korean idols are going less to music shows and variety shows and focusing more in the self produced content, specially RUclips or with certain platforms, this is because they spend a lot of money and made no money, idols got pay the equivalent to $36 us for group to appear in these shows.
im both a jidol and k idol fan and have been a fan of your vids for a while. I'm disappointed in the lack of research in some areas (such as pointing out that variety shows are something jidols focus on despite Korean idols participating in most of their promotions inside of variety shows as well as the lack of discussion about the jidol training process) and thee way you chose to use the Japanese names of the kpop groups instead of just using the english names, considering the video is in English. If you try another video comparing jidols with other entertainment mediums, please try and be more detailed. I do love your videos a lot and this video was slightly disappointing in comparison. Maybe I'm biased but I would've loved this video if there were more details. I believe other viewers agree considering that they've also taken to the comment section to add details on their own. Looking forward to your next video
In the past it is indeed difficult to look for things for Japanese idol groups, that has indeed change a lot now. Depending on the idols especially underground idols, there are actually quite a no. of them having online chat services, live stream of their live etc. and even their music which oversea fans are able to access them without any issues. Japanese idols are promoted globally as well, especially South East Asia country like Thailand which frequently invited them to go over to perform.
I listen and I like both j-pop and k-pop. However, I still prefer j-pop idols from the past like Chisato Moritaka and idols with mature image like Philosophy No Dance. When it comes to k-pop idols, I prefer those with high musicality like Kim Jae-joong, 2NE1, Lee Hyori, and Mamamoo.
It is still very hard to have access to Jpop Idol overall. Hello! Project groups especially, they don't have their songs available on international platforms like Spotify, this inevitably creates a wall that not only discourage old fans but also stops new people to get to know fantastic groups like Morning Musume or Angerme. It's quite frustrating...
you can see differences in Japanese idols when it comes to physical appearances. they have quirks,they embraced it. Kpop is all about perfection that made all the idols look the same. i will always love Jpop more. wont deny some have plastic surgeries but its not as bad as korean idols.
Think about, i know a lot of Japanese indie music scenes tends to be more globally minded than Korean mainstream music scenes. A lot of Japanese MVs from these indie acts are full MV while MVs posts from mainstream record labels are short version and geoblocked to Japan-only. This helps the fact that Japanese indie music acts, while not more globally focused, want to have more freedom from allowing their content freely and not for being an limited-time only. Also, a lot of Japanese MVs and their songs on music streaming services are written in Japanese langauge, which hinders Japan's music global growth, including Japan's indie music scenes.
I would just like too add that some info on how you become an Korean idol. There's mostly three ways either you get scouted by a recruiter or manager which can happen out of nowhere, you go to auditions and have a chance to get picked their or sometimes these recruiters also visit dancing schools. So depending on that you might already spend years at a dancing school then you get to be a trainee for potentially even more years just so you have the chance to debut alone or with a group.
As a Kpop idol fan who doesn't know much about Jpop, the thing you said about individual personalities being on the front on the Jpop scene surprised me because on the first glance it looks like Jpop idols are dressed the same, styled the same, and sing the same type of song across the country. Also, the variety shows are very important in Kpop scene too. It's the great way to promote their albums and for fans to get to know them. There are variety TV shows, and idols still attend to reach greater audience, but rather than visiting tv shows (which seeks rating), Kpop groups started to produce their own variety content in their own youtube channels, so, it's a more controlled environment (contradictorily, the new trend is that they visit other channels where another idol is the host and interviews them, or they simply hang out). Kpop idols indeed try to have a more muted personality (probably media-trained) because (i think) the social pressure is higher in Korea, and they aren't only exposed to Korean market but world market, and there is... fanwars, so they get a lot of hate if they don't. I don't know how it is for Jpop fans, but Kpop fans don't engage only with their fav idols. Whole thing is so fast-paced and trend-chasing that being the new shiny thing is important, so it's a lot like a race, and achievements matter a lot to fans. Thus, not only their favs should be successful, other groups should also suck, and this leads fanwars and hate-campaigns against the idols who happened to say the wrong thing.
Personalities not looks. J-pop idol groups like to typically have their idols to wear very similar costumes because they’re in the same group. They like coherence and consistency. That’s why they have their personalities shine through rather than looks. And I say this as a huge k-pop and j-pop fan. Their looks do not equate to their personality.
The funny part about the outfit thing you mentioned is that, even though in kpop all group members wear different outfit in stages, those outfits rarely reflect anything about their personalities at all. The visual variety is clear, but most of the time, unless you actually take time to watch a ton of variety content, you'll have little to no idea of the members individual personalities
The ones who aren't in the same vein as 46/48 with a school girl aesthetic usually have color coding, following a magical girl/power rangers aesthetic. And while there are no hard rules, the coloring is a bit of a hint to personality and position. So they are exceptionally easy to differentiate even if they don't have the money for fully individualized costumes the trim or whatever will still be color coded. In J-idol fandom, most of the groups play at least some events with other groups. It's rare at the 46/48 level, but even they still do it for stuff like TIF. One company will hold an event and invite a bunch of other groups. Often other fans will ask what group you're there and the middle front is for the fans of that particular group. So bad-mouthing other groups is really bad manners. Of course some people online will do it but online "fans" are a bit of a different beast.
For a jpop idol, it's usually important to have something called chara - a unique character, something she's known for or a role in the group (for example - the funny one, the cute shy one, the smart one, the one who likes x, the clumsy one, the "younger sister" of the group etc) and it's often equally or even more important than looks. Chara is usually the idol's real personality and interests but taken to an extreme. I'm a fan of jpop idols and a casual kpop listener and at first it surprised me how normal kpop idols behave compared to jpop idols lol
It was easier to see (and emphasize) individual personalities with smaller groups like Morning Musume rather than large ones like AKB. And that's reflected in the music as well.
I was really hoping this video was going to be a good well thought out and researched video between both industries but like I'm seeing the common section there is a lot of things you were missing in the video. I got into J-pop actually through BoA about 21 years ago, I am currently 15+ years into K-pop. I don't really venture into J-Pop as much anymore (unless Perfume drops a MV) because I associated it with my youth. First, I wish you would use the actual definitions of what an Idol is versus what an Artist is and actually gave examples like for J-pop idols would be AKB48, Morning Musume and Artists like Capsule's Nakata san or Utada Hikaru versus K-pop. idols like BTS and BLACKPINK but there are Idols who are also considered artists that are also producers like Woozi of Seventeen, Suga of BTS, Soyeon of (G)i-dle and G-dragon. To be honest both J-pop and K-pop have western influences since WWII but on record Jpop has done more world music. K-pop originally marketed domestically with 1 GEN by 2nd GEN they were already marketing to Asia as a whole and 3rd GEN it was all about going global and we're still in that process with K-pop. When a group debuts in K-pop, they tend to start with a teen fresh or a girl next-door concept and as they mature, they go to more mature concepts, like girl crush and sexier images you'll see a change in the style of music that they do, but that's not always the case, especially depending on the label. SM entertainment artist are known for their vocal and dance ability that can range from Pop to R&B and into hip-hop. YG is known for its very West Coast influence hip-hop that is more on the global scale in terms of influences. JYP is known for their R&B powerhouse vocals but recently hip-hop is big influence. Someone already talked about like the recruiting of artist in K-pop but you can get recruited into K-pop various ways. as for per motions of the group or individually, and K-pop, there are multiple variety shows for example knowing Bros Weekly Idol, Running Man then you have the Musical Shows which an idols can become an MC of which they can also showcase their personality. There's also video calls with fans or in person fan meets and you can also become a brand ambassador for a cosmetic or luxury brand. And let me not forget about the Vlogs. that's another huge thing since 2 Gen (i.e 2NE1 TV or 3rd Gen BangtanTV) to get to know your idols as well as behind-the-scenes of video shoot or song recording. Oh the gif culture is full of k-pop memes. K-pop idols don't live in dorms through their whole careers/contracts, usually if an idol wins their first award during their debut then they are more likely to upgraded apartment/condo dorms and eventually once they make enough they can move out and live on their own since because housing isn't cheap in Seoul Metro Area.
I would say social media and variety shows are the main ways kpop idols gain attention. The reason why they tend to go abroad is because South Korea music market is WAY smaller than Japan
The biggest difference is for me the variety of music between Japan and Korean. Japan are higher variety In idol music, more genres that are not in Korea Idol music. That's why I prefer japanese music
Cause is older, japanese idols have been for so long that they change for the sake of relevance, I swear for God if Japanese companies were a little more global like the Koreans they would have taken over the music world wide 15 years ago.
Another thing is the diversity of how groups work. Every kpop group has the same structure, while jpop groups can have different standards. There's no huge difference between SNSD and Twice, while Babymetal, Faky, and AKB48 have huge differences. This kind of video always fails to talk about that
I love both jpop and KPOP groups and I was actually into jpop beofre KPOP, but I completely disagree with the part that there’s more genres that are not in KPOP idols music , I’m sure you haven’t deep dived or listened to different tracks because a lot of KPOP groups have done various genres such as : R&B , rock, ballads, bedroom pop , hip hip , Synthwave , dream pop , Afro beats , afropop , alt r&b , bass house , bitpop , bossa nova , bubblegum pop , dark synth , rap , phonk,city pop . I could go on and on there’s SO MUCH diversity in the genres , and I love both KPOP and jpop groups and everyone does have different taste but saying korean idol music doesn’t have more genres is not honestly true . There’s a vast amount of KPOP groups who are completely different in terms of concept for example dreamcatcher is KPOP group who focuses on rock like music , but there’s also illit who are KPOP group that focus on fresh teen concepts with a bubblegum pop genre. IF you are interested in hearing and listening to what I mean I recommend the group AESPA: MY WORLD ( the album) , TWICE : EYES WIDE OPEN ( the album) and TXT’s FREEFALL ( the album), and TXT’s TOMMORROW ( the album) , and IVE I’ve the first full album, and NEWJEANS 1st EP ( the album).
If you are genuinely interested I have 3 song recommendation for each of these groups from the albums listed : {Aespa : Lucid Dream , thirsty , I’m unhappy } {IVE : mine , love dive , I am } {NewJeans : Ditto , Attention, Hype boy,} {TXT :I’ll see you there tomorrow , Deja vu , ice cream } {TWICE 1 to 10 , Say Something , 21:29 }
This got me thinking. I listen to a bunch of Japanese bands and solo artists, especially city pop, but not many J-pop idol groups. It's the opposite with K-pop: I listen to a bunch of groups, but hardly any solo artists or bands - It doesn't help that metal/rock/etc. music isn't as popular in Korea. Dreamcatcher is especially notable because they're a k-pop group with a focus on rock music.
That because it's an issue with korean music industry tbh. In Japan, anyone can become a singer, there is no requirements like in most countries. Most trendy japanese singers used to be online music producers or online cover singers back then and that how they grew their notoriety. It's the same nowadays with people using Vtubing or others entering an Idol group to get more notoriety and contacts before leaving the group and become solo artist or make a band. In SKorea, you are less likely to be popular or have success as a singer if you don't go into the Idol system, something that many indie koreans artist have been annoyed for years.
I used to spend a lot of time in Japan between 2006 and 2016. As a UK guy in late middle age, I didn't have too much interest in either Jpop or Kpop, but I used to watch the variety shows that were on Japanese TV over the weekend - I liked Enka music! And even back then, I could see that the Jpop acts focused on cuteness and being 'quirky', while the Kpop acts were more openly 'sexy'. Not hard to see why Kpop became the more popular!
@@LittleNala yeah they wore shorts in the video for “Miniskirt” I’m talking first and second generation., they all wore shorts.. after second generation it’s all skirts
Men in Japan by and large don't care about K-pop so what's the point of caring what they think? With some exceptions, it's close to 70-80% female fandom even for the girl groups. Things evolved and skirts got more popular in K-pop. You watch some old Morning Musume videos and see what they're wearing? There are some skirts, but there are also a heck of a lot of shorts and pants. Things changed in Japan too.
@@davidjones7493 I'm replying because this convo is so funny! You know the publicity shots for the Miniskirt song showed the girls all wearing red miniskirts, don't you? Sometimes, some members wear shorts - sometimes members of ITZY wear shorts now - on a recent tour, G-Idol were all wearing shorts. (Looked like they were made of plastic - didn't like them myself). It depends on the fashion director for the video shoot. But they didn't all wear shorts in the olden days, and then started wearing miniskirts! They have *always* worn miniskirts. ;-) Female idols around the world have worn miniskirts since the 1960s. Even in Japan!
I listen to both but with japanese music i love jrock bands more than the idol groups. dont get me wrong, i like NGZ46 especially the first gen. With Kpop, i like twice, G-idle and itzy. Also im not sure about this but early on, there are lots of region locked japanese music online. There was also a japanese rock band member who said "we are not Idols" implying that they arent restricted when it comes to dating. the band is turning 18 this year so yey!
If you like rock you should probably be on the rock side of idols rather than stuff like Nogi. Neo Japonism, ジェメイ, stuff like that. And of course there are a lot more if you don't care so much how well they sing or you're willing to pick out the more upbeat songs. It wasn't really region locked. It just plain wasn't available. The PV was kinda used as a tool to get people to buy the more expensive versions of CDs, so just releasing it online for free took a bit of a paradigm shift for companies in how to price their stuff and some were a lot slower. Indie companies didn't care and just put their stuff up right away though.
Now we have artists like Babymetal, Yoasobi, Ado, Atarashii Gakko, who are showing the way. One thing they can do immediately is to be more flexible with copyright, people who want to react to jpop videos have a lot of problems because of that, and it would be free publicity.
@@doctorakibababymetal is an idol group actually, but more earlier in their career. They are a sub unit from the idol group Sakura Gakuin. But now they’ve gone more independent from it considering that the group disbanded in 2021(? I beilive)but even when they graduated the group before 2021, they still interacted with some members of Sakura gakuin for their avengers era, like Kano who was still a member while performing with babymetal. and now a later generation Sakura gakuin member, Momo, is an official member. So I’d say they’re still connected to their roots
My dad introduced me to Japanese culture at a very early age. I grew up watching anime, Godzilla, Ultraman, etc. I even got to watch Sentai Rangers before Power Rangers was a thing. But a friend of mine from Thailand introduced me to Korean horror and Korean cinema in general. After that, he introduced me to Kpop, and I really haven't looked back since. I love some of the Japanese idols in Kpop, Momo, from Twice, is my absolute favorite, and Sakura from ABK48 was my favorite Jpop idol, but I don't really make the effort to listen to Jpop anymore. Talk to me about the Japanese girl groups like Trident or Hagane and Band-Maid/Band-Maiko, though, and that's a different story.
I really like both, kpop and jpop. But first I got in touch with kpop because of its easier accessability and popularity (btw. I'm European). I really like the high productions of kpop music, these are outstanding. But I dislike the dancing part and the major western influences. Jpop at the other hand is much more my thing in terms of idols and concepts. But sometimes I would wish that the music quality would be higher. For example Nogizaka46 (or the whole Sakamichi Series): It's such a nice group but most of their music is so thin in terms of singing. It's like some random girls would sing a song without any training. Don't get me wrong, I love the girls, but damn, they need to improve in singing. AKB or Morning Musume are so much better in that terms.
Sakurazaka46 songs qualities are great check it out,they are amazing,I hope others 48 and 46 group Will follow them.Akb48 has change they style to more dancing song lately but song quality still not that good
@@Xbox360gamer15 nogizaka46 songs hear all the same while akb more diverse sometime innocent sometime more dance song,etc But I know why nogi so popular ITS bcoz their members more like innocent and elegant beauty while akb this day too cuties which we know isnt a trend anymore
@@Moonlightman1501 AKB in about 2012-2018 wasn't that cutsey as before or afterwards. When I remember songs like Gingham Check, Ritual of Roses or Techer Teacher then is was a more moderate cuteness, but they switched back to their previous "little girl cutness" in about 2019. I don't know if that was the right thing for popularity.
Something that was missed here is the fact that there are Kaigai JPOP-styled idols in South Korea, Which as one would expect are very similar to JPOP idols and are not active in the main KPOP system, therefore not appearing in TV Shows and Music Shows outside of the JPOP community. These are normally mocked by K-Netizens and talk about them as if They were a joke and wannabes. It isn't very pleasant for someone who follows them, like me. Ex. Denpamaru, Kizuna Simulatzion & Proxima Club
i love denpamaru! i found this community through kizuna simulation, but its so hard to find info, other than twitter, is there anyway to learn abt korean kaigain idols?
xg is a special project of avex under xgalx label to create a girl group that can dance rap and sing to english music aim to global fans.their core is hiphop and rnb some might didnt understand them because of this and that but music is universal❤
I became a K-pop fan after more than a decade of listening exclusively to J-pop idols. I think the concept of "idol" is pretty similar but the approach is different. I really admire idols like Sakura, who was able to succeed first as a J-pop idol and then successfully adapt to the K-pop market. I would have a lot more to say about this, but anyway I enjoyed the points you made and your videos are very nice, keep up the good work!
You have been one of my fave RUclipsrs since i am trying to get into Jpop idols, never expected to see Gidle featured in one one of your videos, I love Gidle. But yeah despite their differences I love both kpop and Jpop. i love Jpop more tho Are you gonna talk BiSH someday? I love their music but I know nothing about them
The boldness of saying "Kpop just sticks to singing and dancing, not variety and personality", then cutting straight to I-DLE😑 It honestly feels more like disparagement and cope than an accurate assessment of Kpop.
Hey great video as always. I’ve been watching your vids but first time commenting. I always was wondering, how long does it take for you to edit one video?
Honestly, it depends, the editing itself could be a few days but the research can take a bit longer. I work a full time job so unless it’s the weekend I basically work on videos whenever I can find time.
Kpop idols do so many activities. Even smaller lesser known groups becoming slightly popular get a lot of attention. I mean kpop idols even go on Japanese reality shows sometimes, I rarely see happened idols do that in Korea. Many groups are always filming clogs, behind the scenes, do their own varsity show type thing. I also wanna say that Japanese idols are some what pigeonholed into this cutesy type aesthetic. Or sometimes risqué photoshoots if they aren’t popular, which kpop idols usually never have to do. They rather disband than do what some jpop idols have to do. I mean siyeon from qwer was a former jpop idol in one of those pretty popular large kpop groups, she got a lot of hate from Korean fans since she did a gravure shoot since she wasn’t that popular, she eventually left and joined a kpop band and is pretty popular, and probably won’t ever have to do something like that again as long as she’s in that band. Kpop music is also way more popular and different, like they go into different genres, I wanna say that unless there some other idols groups or something, most of jpop idols just do cute music, and I’m talking about actual jpop idols, I feel like there’s some Japanese groups that dress up kinda like idols but are a band or something and not int be real idol industry something comparable to SM, Yg, JYPE, HYBE.
its also woth mentioning how being in the japanese idol industry and entering kpop or the korean market is very difficult than viceversa. miyawaki sakura is proof of this, despite being so popular, she gets constant scrutiny for her singing skills and is regarded as the weakest member in lesserafim. whereas korean idols like boa, kara or the ttwice girls get really popular in japan and well loved.
There is also a ban on JPOP groups actively promoting Korean State-owned media, So, If Japanese artists want to actually promote They have to release songs in Korean or promote them on Cable TV, which affects accessibility. Meanwhile, Japan doesn't do that, and not only KPOP Idols get to promote there but CPOP and even British Groups as well.
I like jpop idols because they are more underground and more creative than kpop also the japanese language is something that i really enjoy its a language that is sylible focused similar to italian or spanish
Kpopper here. The last time I took Jpop seriously was 2008 with Utada Hikaru and Koda Kumi. Never got into the J-idol system, although I did dip my toes into Morning Musume but tired quickly of their cutesy sound. It is a fact that Kpop is more rigorous and well-rounded because they outsource so much of their production to foreign experts. While Japan relies on a formula that has worked for domestic audiences for decades, using chiefly domestic producers, Korea has fine-tuned its formula for maximum reach through consultation with international marketing and production experts. Jpop tried to catch up with it, but now it's too little too late.
I like both JPOP and Kpop but I like JPOP and J rock more and thanks for making this video it was very interesting and an interesting fact in Korea there are companies known as the BIG 3 called YG JYP and SM and if an idol debuts in those companies it’s a guarantee success
Same in Japan, Debut in Smile Up (Ex. Johnny's) LDH, Avex, Amuse, and some others. As long as you don't get shoved into a 48/46 group your career is guaranteed to be a good one.
In these recent years, it has transformed into big 4 with the addition of hybe. In fact in the last few years, i would say hybe has produced more successful acts then all big 3 companies combined, mostly because hybe is a conglomerate with multiple subsidiaries (music lables)
@@sanidhyamahajan7079 its just became a conglomorete for correction and its just a 2 year company still. 2 year after it became super big not that the company is only 2 year cause bts is 10 year?
JPop came first. It is authentic & more rounded developed. Kop piggybacked off of American Hip Hop, R & B & 80’s/90’s Pop music. And K-pop’s main goal is money. That’s the difference for me
@@BBarNavi Dude, you literally just posted: "they outsource so much of their production to foreign experts" "Korea has fine-tuned its formula for maximum reach through consultation with international marketing and production experts."
Nothing like the authenticity of selling your creative soul to foreign experts who assembly line and factory package everything so you can make some more money.
There are concepts like royal road progression in Japanese music called ōdō shinkō when we talk about J-pop overall music. that's itself come from a history of jazz and rock progression in the West and their making incorporated with their traditional music. that's why their music in J-pop is much more melodic than K-pop overall. but when we talk about K-pop either you talk about face, costume, chart, view, or whatever superficial thing that doesn't matter in music overall. I never heard their fans talking about music theory in general.
Why are so many people invested in labels to exclude XG? because they are afraid of the comparison. Everybody makes music in the same genre, whether kpop, Jpop, Xpop, pop. they all dance, they all form groups, all sing in all languages Kpop and Jpop included yet once XG enters the conversation everybody scatters for shelter under a "Label"
Xg just seems like a project to me trying real hard to make a big Hit and get attention sorry Not sorry before i thought they were kpop i didnt even know they were japanese. All of their producers are korean the last time i checked the list...
5:00 that made me remember a ceratin kpop audition clip here on YT where jpop idols were invited to become a live audience and support their fellow Japanese idols. Both the Japanese audience as well as the contestants literally cried after they got judged by the Korean judging panel. The judges basically told them they need to improve more on their singing and dancing skills, and got eliminated off the show afterwards. The Japanese girls literally cried cause they saw weren't on par with the Korean contestants on the show. Kinda heart breaking to see tbh, being popular in Japan doesn't mean you'll get popular in South Korea.😢
I can swear I have very much good listening skills, not to hurt kpop fans but it's not for koreans to tell japanese how to sing. Kpop idols definitely can sing but what they lack is experience singing live in public. Kpop agencies are quick to decide that idols do not need to sing and represent normal singing voice but pre-record live singing which on the result give us the ideal live performance with no actual live perfrom. Everything that does kpop idol needs to be perfect so they do not allow their singers to actually SING before audience which is really frustrating. Japanese on the other side always aim to live performance. You could find millions of jpop idols who sing yes not perfect, yes sometimes it could be good or bad but they SING on the scene that what singer should do. Comparing to them korean idols voices are not trained I rarely see live performance in kpop shows. The good ones were 2ne1, Sistar, SNSD. I couldn't find good live singing from new kpop groups. All of them were pre-record that sounds like live but not.
@@eternal_love7879 I kind of think it was funny that people used that as kpop being better than jpop. People were saying stuff like you can really tell how much better kpop is than jpop is. Like, they literally took one group and made a blanket judgement of the genres as a whole. Let's be real, if they would have brought in LDH idols instead of AKB, most of the kpop dancers would have gotten their butts handed to them.
i used to have the same opinion as this until i got into jpop actually😭 in jpop, they may not be the best singers but they always sing live unlike in kpop unfortunately + there are good jpop singers too;)
@@12012channel but its a collaboration of the korean media and akb company so its a company desicion, but i think its akimoto idea of not fully training them like korean groups. but i hate it too when people saying how better the one side than the other side. when its just how you prefer on things. like your example of ldh than akb and i think people really just need to understand how its just different, and based on how it culturally different both country is too. it like how my country is now having a big boom on ppop. when before its focused is hip hop, and band music. there is also pop before it but it not that big boom like what happening this time.
Hey! I love your content. Just wanted to say the background music you use in this video (and some of your other videos) drives my little autistic brain up a wall. It's hard to describe, but when I hear a noise that sounds like a voice in the music my focus goes to that and I lose what you're saying. The background music has a sound that sound like a voice and it takes my focus away from you. Idk if I'm the only one who feels this way, but I thought I would share in case others have similar issues to myself. Keep up the great work!
I hate that the notion of Japanese Idol is "music and performances does not matter much, being cute is" Guys.... Hello Project is right there to deny all those accusations....If Korean truly brave enough - collab with UF for that production competition bs instead of 48 groups.
Thank you for bringing them up! I'm a huge h!p fan and seeing them usually lumped into people's misconception of J-idols not being able to sing and dance is so frustrating to me
i thnk its akimoto who collaborate with mnet. akimoto is always looking outside of japan. so i think it just happen. i hate it too when people saying whose better when it just how you prefer. as a kmusic fan and a jmusic fan as also kpop and jpop listener. i think it just how you prefer things. on how you want it to be. music and performance is as good in j-idol like k dol. it just how a company focused on thing. on how music they want to released. what vibe it is. i hate super competition on each fandom now.
I followed °C-ute for all ten years they existed, bought every album, maybe half the singles.. HP! groups are fun I prefer JPop songs because the emphasis is on melody, less western influence, few divas.. and yes being cute is more important because that’s what consumers want..
@@kyokugo6460 Nah I feel like the Korean h!p girls didn't debut because of how domestic focused the Japanese music industry is. Like look at the rest of the h!p girls, the only real foreigners are Junjun and Linlin and look how they were treated by both management and fans
jpop has a very long, long history. it's about history, culture and context. japanese idols are just a spectrum of jpop, and they all interact with each other in many ways jpop is about chinese music theory, hence so many traditional japanese instruments, fused with modern stuff and clothing, and everything, AND western musical theory like jazz. japanese idols have all that stuff going on, and the aesthetic, the japanese values and messages. people shit on it because it doesn't put effort into worldwide marking, but what the fck up fck you, not everything has to be worldwide. I clap at how they managed to take the best of both worlds: sincere traditional stuff and western stuff kpop took hints from modern american pop world, that is, hip-hop, r&b... being cool, sexy, "perfect"... yeah, all shallow crap. it's not about music, it's not even about values like good work, team work, cuteness, doing your best, or japan's extense religious, spiritual stuff, etc, nah, it's about the american way: being the hottest shit ever, and get 'em teenagers all wet
Better at singing??? Sorry but thats Not true lets be real hahahahha...the dancing is great but singing wise the kpop industry is a huge Scam. They go more for looks and modelling and dancing. The jpop stuff i Listen to has one of the best vocals ive heard since years
Sacrifice and training aren't unnatural. Passion drives them to improve so they can give the audience the bets performance possible. You can make all the excuses and caveats you want, the difference is noticeable. Produce 48 had to cheat to get 2 of the J Idols into Izone. Sakura made it fine on her own.
@@helldeirch exactly. i remember in the blackpink documentry, rose is saying how shed like to go back to trainee days bcs she actually got to interact with music herself
why is it that Japanese idols that debut in Korean GGs bad at singing? off the top of my head, the only one that's any decent is Sana from Twice...and that aint saying much.
a company's most important goal should be getting maximized profit with minimized expenses idk if japanese companies dont know that i dont understand why they dont want more foreigner fans for their idols weird
Japan's like that with everything. Not only Idols, but music in general (except for a select few, like Ado, Yoasobi or Rock/Metal Groups). I don't know if you know BiSH, but they were pretty successful overseas when it came to YT and Spotify, etc, but you weren't even able to buy their merch because you needed a valid Japanese name to register on their site. But worst is their movie and drama (or tv in general) market, where NOTHING is marketed overseas, except when Netflix or some streaming service buys it, and even then the Japanese don't care and leave everything to Netflix, which results in really bad subtitles 95% of the time and 0 PR except for the random suggestion in-app.
Japanese Kpop Idols - they're the best of both worlds tbh~ shoutout to CHERRSEE - NIZIU - XG - PRIKIL having said that tho... THAI IDOLS are my personal favorite~ they have the divine femininity that both hangook and nihon girls lack nihons are manipulative in their submissiveness hangooks are manipulative in their non-submissiveness there are a few kpop groups that do not have the LIARS vibe to them groups like WEEEKLY or TRIBE that genuinely feel like good people but 99.9% of Kpop are manipulative liars! especially groups like BP or TWICE or AESPA and I haven't found a Jpop group who isn't lying through their teeth yet I never believed in the submissiveness of a japanese woman.. except maybe CHERRSEE NENE, NIZIU MAKO or XG JURIN.. those three have legit waifu potential fr
I would not put XG as a "Japanese K-Pop group." XG themselves never considered themselves K-Pop or J-Pop in the first place. "Global girl group" would be a more appropriate term for them. They're not singing in either Japanese or Korean for a reason. Hip-hop, r&b did come from the U.S. after all.
@@edoardorivera4119 They're not exactly Western group either. The girls themselves label as "X-Pop," meaning not J-Pop, K-Pop, Western Pop, or whatever kind of Pop. They're just Pop that caters all around the world. Global Pop, so to speak.
everyone here is wrong cause they're literally performing on KBS MUSIC BANK on a weekly basis. and before you say "well yea but they're not ONLY kpop" that logic doesn't apply.. cause SNSD can release a japanese album and perform in japan or release an english song and suddenly be on CONAN but their core is KPOP. just like how XG's core is KPOP. thats why they all know korean. there is no reason for a japanese global group to know korean. at all.
J idols are so diverse. So, making a blanket statement would be wrong but in a lot j idols the emphasis is the audience. While in kpop the emphasis is on the performer. You can really see this in live shows.
Skill, training, and whether the company accepts mediocrity as long as an idol can dress like a doll/child for the weirdos and pretend to be trying hard without actually improving. If a Jpop Idol gets good enough, they go to Korea.
I don't know why people even compare. I have no real experience with KPop and don't care to be totally frank because what I've heard of it sounded like western pop, which is absolutely not my thing, but from what I've seen and read, KPop Idols are way more focused on singing and dancing, while JPop Idols are way more focused on the entertainment aspect. In Japan basically the only thing you need is to be "kawaii" and interesting and you have way higher chances of being and succeeding as an Idol than if you'd be a super good singer and performer. The only things high schoolers (at least girls) are talking about (in regards to JPop Idols) are how kawaii and funny etc they are, not how good they are at musical activities. That's also why they're not or very rarely marketed overseas, the style of Japanese entertainment is vastly different than what the "overseas" population is used to. That's not only limited to Idols or music, but even more so with movies and dramas. Most Japanese tarento (talents, people who are active in a vast variety of fields besides acting and what a lot of Idols become when they're done with their Idol activities) don't really look at US or western "colleagues" at all so they can get better at acting or be marketable overseas because they only try to cater to their domestic market and it's often enough to be "kawaii" and/or have big breasts (sorry, but unfortunately very true) or be "kakkoi" (cool in looks and personality) in case of men to get roles and be successful. The acting is absolute secondary, except for the minority that really are or want to be actors/actresses (like for example Matsuoka Mayu, Nikaido Fumi or Kuroki Haru). Which also results in A LOT of stupid Shoujo Manga related stories with a naive and pure damsel in distress that gets verbally abused by some cool looking guy who's super popular and thinks he can get away with being an absolut scumbag, because all the girls are head over heels in love with him even if he tells them how stupid and ugly they are 3 times a day. And this, contrary to the availability and style of music, didn't get better at all in the last 10 years.
The difference between those two is how the idol personalities are portrayed. Sure, both can be generated by the management but The Jpop idols are more fun to watch due to their large number of members in the group and their personalities are diverse and more close as a real person. It's like watching a sports team whose members are all cute while in K-pop, in my personal opinion, the personalities of the idols are really repetitive and manufactured as if they have found the formula. and not the majority but some Jpop idols do have skills in singing and dancing. They just could not get the chance to show since most of their songs are sung in unison or the market does not demand it. Overall, I prefer the music of J-idols.
I personally have little to no interest in k-pop, it jus feels too fake to me and the music is boring as f... Japanese music is currently the best, not just compared to Korea but to the rest of the world.
Dude in which world u r dwelling kpop have already overcome the bland(typically) western pop already also u'd see the behavior of those artist when they see or meet a kpop idol...they'r literally whipped, 2023 coachella & lollapalooza was only hit coz BlackPink & NewJeans performed(was claimed by the western audiences) even being not english kpop is doing very well, its quite famous that why it is at a level where u r comparing it with...kPop wIlL nEveR eXcEed...man why r u talking bout the whole industry when a single kpop artist is a threat to ur western whole music industry (yk whom i am talking bout )their insta lives have more views than the views on Grammy which those english speakng artists crave to have one..LOL
If u wanna know who is better think about this. Pretty much every female Japanese idols admire kpop idols and fantasize about being one. Most of them would drop everything and jump at the chance at being a kpop idol but u will never see a knop idol doing the same.
Its becoz popularity, while Jpop busy fishing in their own country Kpop on the other hand can make you into a top world star that coz they're promoting global not just local, I Mean everyone wants to be more popular especially if u are entertainer. Japan love that Region Lock thing
The difference is how much does Japanese groups vs Korean groups take "inspiration" from AfricanAmerican culture? Korean groups are far more popular because they take more "inspiration" from AA culture. AKA more music genres (and the styles, dancing, clothing, etc that come from those musical cultures/genres).
저는 한국인입니다. 먼저 영상에 한국정부개입이라는 잘못된 정보가 또 있네요. KPOP이 왜 성장했는지에 대한 일본다큐를 보시고 만든건지요? KPOP의 한국정부개입이라는 출처가 처음 나온곳이 일본다큐멘터리입니다. 일본에서 만든 한국관련다큐는 사실이 아닌경우가 많습니다. 한국인이 봤을때 매우 엉터리 입니다. 결론적으로 팝송과 한국대중음악을 좋아하는 한국인들을 위해 개인 회사에서 음악을 만들었습니다. 다른 나라들도 마찬가지로 우리끼리 듣고 즐기고 놀려고 만든음악이란 말입니다. 한국노래인데 왜 영어가 많냐는 질문에는 KPOP이 글로벌하지 않았을때도 1세대부터 지금까지 한국계 미국인의 멤버는 항상 껴있었고, 심지어 지금보다도 90년대 1세대~2세대 그룹에 영어권 멤버들이 더 많았습니다. 영어가사에서는 한글단어로 다소 어색하다 싶으면 중간에 영어로 대체를 했는데 그게 지금까지 굳어졌고 KPOP의 특징이 되버린것입니다. 꽤 역사가 깊어요. 그냥 우리끼리 놀다가 갑자기 유명해진겁니다.
I find it funny any comparison where kpop is not an obvious bias gets kpop fans offended. Jpop goes on variety shows WAY more often than Kpop idols. Its one of the big selling point as compared to kpop it is not one of their main focus or activities they focus on. Simple. (Alot of k fans were complaining about this in the comments) Variety shows happen much less in general in kpop as they used to have much more of a presence. Ive also seen someone in the comments mention jidols must not have personality focused on because they look similar and then proceed to say all the good things about kpop over jpop… really? I have been a fan of both kpop and Jpop but any comparison that says the better qualities of jpop for once brings annoying kpop fans out.
Variety is a HUGE selling point in Kpop and I don't know how you're denying this. Aside from Running Man and basically Yoo Jae-seok's entire reason for existing, the industry makes variety content for their groups in-house.
You're wrong about activities. Korean idols go on a lot of variety shows, make exclusove content online for their fans and they also model and do brand deals, some make appearances in movies & tv shows and make appearances at other events so you're wrong about Korean idols having limited activities
Korean idols are going less to music shows and variety shows and focusing more in the self produced content, specially RUclips or with certain platforms, this is because they spend a lot of money and made no money, idols got pay the equivalent to $36 us for group to appear in these shows.
Yes yes bts made a lot of reality tv shows like “are you sure?” “ bon voyage “ and many more
im both a jidol and k idol fan and have been a fan of your vids for a while. I'm disappointed in the lack of research in some areas (such as pointing out that variety shows are something jidols focus on despite Korean idols participating in most of their promotions inside of variety shows as well as the lack of discussion about the jidol training process) and thee way you chose to use the Japanese names of the kpop groups instead of just using the english names, considering the video is in English.
If you try another video comparing jidols with other entertainment mediums, please try and be more detailed. I do love your videos a lot and this video was slightly disappointing in comparison. Maybe I'm biased but I would've loved this video if there were more details.
I believe other viewers agree considering that they've also taken to the comment section to add details on their own.
Looking forward to your next video
Yeah, him saying "SHŌJO JITAI" bothered me a lot.
In the past it is indeed difficult to look for things for Japanese idol groups, that has indeed change a lot now. Depending on the idols especially underground idols, there are actually quite a no. of them having online chat services, live stream of their live etc. and even their music which oversea fans are able to access them without any issues. Japanese idols are promoted globally as well, especially South East Asia country like Thailand which frequently invited them to go over to perform.
I learned quite a lot from this video, also the other vids of things I didn't know that I didn't actually know hahaha, great vids man! Cheers ✌🏻
Thank you!
I listen and I like both j-pop and k-pop.
However, I still prefer j-pop idols from the past like Chisato Moritaka and idols with mature image like Philosophy No Dance.
When it comes to k-pop idols, I prefer those with high musicality like Kim Jae-joong, 2NE1, Lee Hyori, and Mamamoo.
It is still very hard to have access to Jpop Idol overall. Hello! Project groups especially, they don't have their songs available on international platforms like Spotify, this inevitably creates a wall that not only discourage old fans but also stops new people to get to know fantastic groups like Morning Musume or Angerme. It's quite frustrating...
you can see differences in Japanese idols when it comes to physical appearances. they have quirks,they embraced it. Kpop is all about perfection that made all the idols look the same. i will always love Jpop more. wont deny some have plastic surgeries but its not as bad as korean idols.
Jpop wins by experimentalism
Kpop wins by complex dances moves and intense marketing strategy also streaming platform accesibility
Think about, i know a lot of Japanese indie music scenes tends to be more globally minded than Korean mainstream music scenes. A lot of Japanese MVs from these indie acts are full MV while MVs posts from mainstream record labels are short version and geoblocked to Japan-only. This helps the fact that Japanese indie music acts, while not more globally focused, want to have more freedom from allowing their content freely and not for being an limited-time only.
Also, a lot of Japanese MVs and their songs on music streaming services are written in Japanese langauge, which hinders Japan's music global growth, including Japan's indie music scenes.
I would just like too add that some info on how you become an Korean idol. There's mostly three ways either you get scouted by a recruiter or manager which can happen out of nowhere, you go to auditions and have a chance to get picked their or sometimes these recruiters also visit dancing schools.
So depending on that you might already spend years at a dancing school then you get to be a trainee for potentially even more years just so you have the chance to debut alone or with a group.
As a Kpop idol fan who doesn't know much about Jpop, the thing you said about individual personalities being on the front on the Jpop scene surprised me because on the first glance it looks like Jpop idols are dressed the same, styled the same, and sing the same type of song across the country. Also, the variety shows are very important in Kpop scene too. It's the great way to promote their albums and for fans to get to know them. There are variety TV shows, and idols still attend to reach greater audience, but rather than visiting tv shows (which seeks rating), Kpop groups started to produce their own variety content in their own youtube channels, so, it's a more controlled environment (contradictorily, the new trend is that they visit other channels where another idol is the host and interviews them, or they simply hang out). Kpop idols indeed try to have a more muted personality (probably media-trained) because (i think) the social pressure is higher in Korea, and they aren't only exposed to Korean market but world market, and there is... fanwars, so they get a lot of hate if they don't. I don't know how it is for Jpop fans, but Kpop fans don't engage only with their fav idols. Whole thing is so fast-paced and trend-chasing that being the new shiny thing is important, so it's a lot like a race, and achievements matter a lot to fans. Thus, not only their favs should be successful, other groups should also suck, and this leads fanwars and hate-campaigns against the idols who happened to say the wrong thing.
Personalities not looks. J-pop idol groups like to typically have their idols to wear very similar costumes because they’re in the same group. They like coherence and consistency. That’s why they have their personalities shine through rather than looks. And I say this as a huge k-pop and j-pop fan. Their looks do not equate to their personality.
The funny part about the outfit thing you mentioned is that, even though in kpop all group members wear different outfit in stages, those outfits rarely reflect anything about their personalities at all. The visual variety is clear, but most of the time, unless you actually take time to watch a ton of variety content, you'll have little to no idea of the members individual personalities
The ones who aren't in the same vein as 46/48 with a school girl aesthetic usually have color coding, following a magical girl/power rangers aesthetic.
And while there are no hard rules, the coloring is a bit of a hint to personality and position.
So they are exceptionally easy to differentiate even if they don't have the money for fully individualized costumes the trim or whatever will still be color coded.
In J-idol fandom, most of the groups play at least some events with other groups. It's rare at the 46/48 level, but even they still do it for stuff like TIF. One company will hold an event and invite a bunch of other groups. Often other fans will ask what group you're there and the middle front is for the fans of that particular group. So bad-mouthing other groups is really bad manners. Of course some people online will do it but online "fans" are a bit of a different beast.
For a jpop idol, it's usually important to have something called chara - a unique character, something she's known for or a role in the group (for example - the funny one, the cute shy one, the smart one, the one who likes x, the clumsy one, the "younger sister" of the group etc) and it's often equally or even more important than looks. Chara is usually the idol's real personality and interests but taken to an extreme. I'm a fan of jpop idols and a casual kpop listener and at first it surprised me how normal kpop idols behave compared to jpop idols lol
It was easier to see (and emphasize) individual personalities with smaller groups like Morning Musume rather than large ones like AKB. And that's reflected in the music as well.
Korean idols are more visible online and kpop companies put effort to reach international audience
I was really hoping this video was going to be a good well thought out and researched video between both industries but like I'm seeing the common section there is a lot of things you were missing in the video. I got into J-pop actually through BoA about 21 years ago, I am currently 15+ years into K-pop. I don't really venture into J-Pop as much anymore (unless Perfume drops a MV) because I associated it with my youth. First, I wish you would use the actual definitions of what an Idol is versus what an Artist is and actually gave examples like for J-pop idols would be AKB48, Morning Musume and Artists like Capsule's Nakata san or Utada Hikaru versus K-pop. idols like BTS and BLACKPINK but there are Idols who are also considered artists that are also producers like Woozi of Seventeen, Suga of BTS, Soyeon of (G)i-dle and G-dragon. To be honest both J-pop and K-pop have western influences since WWII but on record Jpop has done more world music. K-pop originally marketed domestically with 1 GEN by 2nd GEN they were already marketing to Asia as a whole and 3rd GEN it was all about going global and we're still in that process with K-pop. When a group debuts in K-pop, they tend to start with a teen fresh or a girl next-door concept and as they mature, they go to more mature concepts, like girl crush and sexier images you'll see a change in the style of music that they do, but that's not always the case, especially depending on the label. SM entertainment artist are known for their vocal and dance ability that can range from Pop to R&B and into hip-hop. YG is known for its very West Coast influence hip-hop that is more on the global scale in terms of influences. JYP is known for their R&B powerhouse vocals but recently hip-hop is big influence. Someone already talked about like the recruiting of artist in K-pop but you can get recruited into K-pop various ways. as for per motions of the group or individually, and K-pop, there are multiple variety shows for example knowing Bros Weekly Idol, Running Man then you have the Musical Shows which an idols can become an MC of which they can also showcase their personality. There's also video calls with fans or in person fan meets and you can also become a brand ambassador for a cosmetic or luxury brand. And let me not forget about the Vlogs. that's another huge thing since 2 Gen (i.e 2NE1 TV or 3rd Gen BangtanTV) to get to know your idols as well as behind-the-scenes of video shoot or song recording. Oh the gif culture is full of k-pop memes. K-pop idols don't live in dorms through their whole careers/contracts, usually if an idol wins their first award during their debut then they are more likely to upgraded apartment/condo dorms and eventually once they make enough they can move out and live on their own since because housing isn't cheap in Seoul Metro Area.
I would say social media and variety shows are the main ways kpop idols gain attention. The reason why they tend to go abroad is because South Korea music market is WAY smaller than Japan
The biggest difference is for me the variety of music between Japan and Korean. Japan are higher variety In idol music, more genres that are not in Korea Idol music. That's why I prefer japanese music
Cause is older, japanese idols have been for so long that they change for the sake of relevance, I swear for God if Japanese companies were a little more global like the Koreans they would have taken over the music world wide 15 years ago.
Another thing is the diversity of how groups work. Every kpop group has the same structure, while jpop groups can have different standards. There's no huge difference between SNSD and Twice, while Babymetal, Faky, and AKB48 have huge differences. This kind of video always fails to talk about that
I love both jpop and KPOP groups and I was actually into jpop beofre KPOP, but I completely disagree with the part that there’s more genres that are not in KPOP idols music , I’m sure you haven’t deep dived or listened to different tracks because a lot of KPOP groups have done various genres such as : R&B , rock, ballads, bedroom pop , hip hip , Synthwave , dream pop , Afro beats , afropop , alt r&b , bass house , bitpop , bossa nova , bubblegum pop , dark synth , rap , phonk,city pop . I could go on and on there’s SO MUCH diversity in the genres , and I love both KPOP and jpop groups and everyone does have different taste but saying korean idol music doesn’t have more genres is not honestly true . There’s a vast amount of KPOP groups who are completely different in terms of concept for example dreamcatcher is KPOP group who focuses on rock like music , but there’s also illit who are KPOP group that focus on fresh teen concepts with a bubblegum pop genre. IF you are interested in hearing and listening to what I mean I recommend the group AESPA: MY WORLD ( the album) , TWICE : EYES WIDE OPEN ( the album) and TXT’s FREEFALL ( the album), and TXT’s TOMMORROW ( the album) , and IVE I’ve the first full album, and NEWJEANS 1st EP ( the album).
@@YOUHE. girl, that's the same in jpop. Morning Musume alone has songs in most of these genres
If you are genuinely interested I have 3 song recommendation for each of these groups from the albums listed : {Aespa : Lucid Dream , thirsty , I’m unhappy } {IVE : mine , love dive , I am } {NewJeans : Ditto , Attention, Hype boy,} {TXT :I’ll see you there tomorrow , Deja vu , ice cream } {TWICE 1 to 10 , Say Something , 21:29 }
This got me thinking. I listen to a bunch of Japanese bands and solo artists, especially city pop, but not many J-pop idol groups. It's the opposite with K-pop: I listen to a bunch of groups, but hardly any solo artists or bands - It doesn't help that metal/rock/etc. music isn't as popular in Korea. Dreamcatcher is especially notable because they're a k-pop group with a focus on rock music.
Japanese groups
were destroyed
by AKB48 and
then KPop
Korean groups
super popular
in Japan
That because it's an issue with korean music industry tbh.
In Japan, anyone can become a singer, there is no requirements like in most countries. Most trendy japanese singers used to be online music producers or online cover singers back then and that how they grew their notoriety. It's the same nowadays with people using Vtubing or others entering an Idol group to get more notoriety and contacts before leaving the group and become solo artist or make a band.
In SKorea, you are less likely to be popular or have success as a singer if you don't go into the Idol system, something that many indie koreans artist have been annoyed for years.
I used to spend a lot of time in Japan between 2006 and 2016. As a UK guy in late middle age, I didn't have too much interest in either Jpop or Kpop, but I used to watch the variety shows that were on Japanese TV over the weekend - I liked Enka music!
And even back then, I could see that the Jpop acts focused on cuteness and being 'quirky', while the Kpop acts were more openly 'sexy'. Not hard to see why Kpop became the more popular!
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groups didn’t
start wearing
skirts until they
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Japan like skirts
not shorts..
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I am old, very old - and I can't recall a time when Kpop girls didn't wear short skirts!
AOA sang a song about them - in 2014.
@@LittleNala yeah they
wore shorts in the
video for “Miniskirt”
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Men in Japan by and large don't care about K-pop so what's the point of caring what they think? With some exceptions, it's close to 70-80% female fandom even for the girl groups.
Things evolved and skirts got more popular in K-pop.
You watch some old Morning Musume videos and see what they're wearing? There are some skirts, but there are also a heck of a lot of shorts and pants. Things changed in Japan too.
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I'm replying because this convo is so funny!
You know the publicity shots for the Miniskirt song showed the girls all wearing red miniskirts, don't you?
Sometimes, some members wear shorts - sometimes members of ITZY wear shorts now - on a recent tour, G-Idol were all wearing shorts. (Looked like they were made of plastic - didn't like them myself). It depends on the fashion director for the video shoot.
But they didn't all wear shorts in the olden days, and then started wearing miniskirts! They have *always* worn miniskirts. ;-)
Female idols around the world have worn miniskirts since the 1960s. Even in Japan!
i had never thought about it
nice vid
I listen to both but with japanese music i love jrock bands more than the idol groups. dont get me wrong, i like NGZ46 especially the first gen. With Kpop, i like twice, G-idle and itzy. Also im not sure about this but early on, there are lots of region locked japanese music online.
There was also a japanese rock band member who said "we are not Idols" implying that they arent restricted when it comes to dating. the band is turning 18 this year so yey!
If you like rock you should probably be on the rock side of idols rather than stuff like Nogi. Neo Japonism, ジェメイ, stuff like that. And of course there are a lot more if you don't care so much how well they sing or you're willing to pick out the more upbeat songs.
It wasn't really region locked. It just plain wasn't available. The PV was kinda used as a tool to get people to buy the more expensive versions of CDs, so just releasing it online for free took a bit of a paradigm shift for companies in how to price their stuff and some were a lot slower. Indie companies didn't care and just put their stuff up right away though.
Now we have artists like Babymetal, Yoasobi, Ado, Atarashii Gakko, who are showing the way. One thing they can do immediately is to be more flexible with copyright, people who want to react to jpop videos have a lot of problems because of that, and it would be free publicity.
Yoasobi is an idol group? I thought its a band
None of those are idol groups.
@@doctorakibababymetal is an idol group actually, but more earlier in their career. They are a sub unit from the idol group Sakura Gakuin. But now they’ve gone more independent from it considering that the group disbanded in 2021(? I beilive)but even when they graduated the group before 2021, they still interacted with some members of Sakura gakuin for their avengers era, like Kano who was still a member while performing with babymetal. and now a later generation Sakura gakuin member, Momo, is an official member. So I’d say they’re still connected to their roots
❤ now you know why xg is not jpop
@@doctorakiba I meant jpop in general, but come on, Ado is even going to have a handshake event.
My dad introduced me to Japanese culture at a very early age. I grew up watching anime, Godzilla, Ultraman, etc. I even got to watch Sentai Rangers before Power Rangers was a thing. But a friend of mine from Thailand introduced me to Korean horror and Korean cinema in general. After that, he introduced me to Kpop, and I really haven't looked back since. I love some of the Japanese idols in Kpop, Momo, from Twice, is my absolute favorite, and Sakura from ABK48 was my favorite Jpop idol, but I don't really make the effort to listen to Jpop anymore. Talk to me about the Japanese girl groups like Trident or Hagane and Band-Maid/Band-Maiko, though, and that's a different story.
AKB48 Sakura has been part of two kpop groups since graduating from AKB48 - IZ*ONE, and now LE SSERAFIM
@GTATwiceCity I know. My favorite idol is An Yujin. Yuri, Yena, Wonyong and Chaewon are some of my favorite idols as well.
@@Wintersoldier73 My fav is Chaeyeon, Her solo comeback is soon on July 3, be sure to check it out!
the one they call Dreamcatcher
Yes!!
I appreciate that you do mention that some idols infact work on their own music.
I really like both, kpop and jpop. But first I got in touch with kpop because of its easier accessability and popularity (btw. I'm European). I really like the high productions of kpop music, these are outstanding. But I dislike the dancing part and the major western influences. Jpop at the other hand is much more my thing in terms of idols and concepts. But sometimes I would wish that the music quality would be higher. For example Nogizaka46 (or the whole Sakamichi Series): It's such a nice group but most of their music is so thin in terms of singing. It's like some random girls would sing a song without any training. Don't get me wrong, I love the girls, but damn, they need to improve in singing. AKB or Morning Musume are so much better in that terms.
Sakurazaka46 songs qualities are great check it out,they are amazing,I hope others 48 and 46 group Will follow them.Akb48 has change they style to more dancing song lately but song quality still not that good
@@Moonlightman1501 Sakurazaka is indeed the best according to music quality, but I would rate AKB still higher than Nogizaka in that terms.
@@Xbox360gamer15 nogizaka46 songs hear all the same while akb more diverse sometime innocent sometime more dance song,etc
But I know why nogi so popular ITS bcoz their members more like innocent and elegant beauty while akb this day too cuties which we know isnt a trend anymore
@@Moonlightman1501 AKB in about 2012-2018 wasn't that cutsey as before or afterwards. When I remember songs like Gingham Check, Ritual of Roses or Techer Teacher then is was a more moderate cuteness, but they switched back to their previous "little girl cutness" in about 2019. I don't know if that was the right thing for popularity.
Something that was missed here is the fact that there are Kaigai JPOP-styled idols in South Korea, Which as one would expect are very similar to JPOP idols and are not active in the main KPOP system, therefore not appearing in TV Shows and Music Shows outside of the JPOP community.
These are normally mocked by K-Netizens and talk about them as if They were a joke and wannabes. It isn't very pleasant for someone who follows them, like me.
Ex. Denpamaru, Kizuna Simulatzion & Proxima Club
i love denpamaru! i found this community through kizuna simulation, but its so hard to find info, other than twitter, is there anyway to learn abt korean kaigain idols?
Yes, this video is amazing
XG is not considered JPOP by the JPOP community in Japan and Overseas. They are an R&B/Dance group, That uses the KPOP promotion system, NOT JPOP
@@kyokugo6460 ah cool, good to know :P
xg is a special project of avex under xgalx label to create a girl group that can dance rap and sing to english music aim to global fans.their core is hiphop and rnb some might didnt understand them because of this and that but music is universal❤
They are Not from a japanese Company like a real japanese Company though. All of their producers are korean the last time i checked?
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I became a K-pop fan after more than a decade of listening exclusively to J-pop idols. I think the concept of "idol" is pretty similar but the approach is different. I really admire idols like Sakura, who was able to succeed first as a J-pop idol and then successfully adapt to the K-pop market. I would have a lot more to say about this, but anyway I enjoyed the points you made and your videos are very nice, keep up the good work!
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OMG same but K-pop came a little late for me so I didn’t get into it too much
You have been one of my fave RUclipsrs since i am trying to get into Jpop idols, never expected to see Gidle featured in one one of your videos, I love Gidle.
But yeah despite their differences I love both kpop and Jpop. i love Jpop more tho
Are you gonna talk BiSH someday? I love their music but I know nothing about them
I thought BiSH already disbanded last year?
The boldness of saying "Kpop just sticks to singing and dancing, not variety and personality", then cutting straight to I-DLE😑
It honestly feels more like disparagement and cope than an accurate assessment of Kpop.
Hey great video as always. I’ve been watching your vids but first time commenting. I always was wondering, how long does it take for you to edit one video?
Honestly, it depends, the editing itself could be a few days but the research can take a bit longer. I work a full time job so unless it’s the weekend I basically work on videos whenever I can find time.
@@DudeJericho thanks for the quick reply. I can’t believe you can work full time and produce videos on a weekly basis 😱 I’m dead after work!
Korean idols do appear in variety shows. But yes, it isn’t focused on variety.
Kpop idols do so many activities. Even smaller lesser known groups becoming slightly popular get a lot of attention.
I mean kpop idols even go on Japanese reality shows sometimes, I rarely see happened idols do that in Korea.
Many groups are always filming clogs, behind the scenes, do their own varsity show type thing.
I also wanna say that Japanese idols are some what pigeonholed into this cutesy type aesthetic. Or sometimes risqué photoshoots if they aren’t popular, which kpop idols usually never have to do. They rather disband than do what some jpop idols have to do.
I mean siyeon from qwer was a former jpop idol in one of those pretty popular large kpop groups, she got a lot of hate from Korean fans since she did a gravure shoot since she wasn’t that popular, she eventually left and joined a kpop band and is pretty popular, and probably won’t ever have to do something like that again as long as she’s in that band.
Kpop music is also way more popular and different, like they go into different genres, I wanna say that unless there some other idols groups or something, most of jpop idols just do cute music, and I’m talking about actual jpop idols, I feel like there’s some Japanese groups that dress up kinda like idols but are a band or something and not int be real idol industry something comparable to SM, Yg, JYPE, HYBE.
Thanks, great video!
its also woth mentioning how being in the japanese idol industry and entering kpop or the korean market is very difficult than viceversa. miyawaki sakura is proof of this, despite being so popular, she gets constant scrutiny for her singing skills and is regarded as the weakest member in lesserafim. whereas korean idols like boa, kara or the ttwice girls get really popular in japan and well loved.
There is also a ban on JPOP groups actively promoting Korean State-owned media, So, If Japanese artists want to actually promote They have to release songs in Korean or promote them on Cable TV, which affects accessibility.
Meanwhile, Japan doesn't do that, and not only KPOP Idols get to promote there but CPOP and even British Groups as well.
Because Koreans
are more picky
about quality of
vocals. Japanese
don’t care..
I like jpop idols because they are more underground and more creative than kpop also the japanese language is something that i really enjoy its a language that is sylible focused similar to italian or spanish
What is the bg music in the beginning of this video
Gunpowder Tea by Mini Vandals!
Kpop: more training, more talent, more cutting edge pop music.. Jpop: more kawaii, more personality focus.
Also more diverse music genres in jpop
I have been part of thr jpop and j core community since i watched anime back in 2014 it was kinda hard to get those tracks through ripping things
Kpopper here. The last time I took Jpop seriously was 2008 with Utada Hikaru and Koda Kumi. Never got into the J-idol system, although I did dip my toes into Morning Musume but tired quickly of their cutesy sound.
It is a fact that Kpop is more rigorous and well-rounded because they outsource so much of their production to foreign experts. While Japan relies on a formula that has worked for domestic audiences for decades, using chiefly domestic producers, Korea has fine-tuned its formula for maximum reach through consultation with international marketing and production experts.
Jpop tried to catch up with it, but now it's too little too late.
I like both JPOP and Kpop but I like JPOP and J rock more and thanks for making this video it was very interesting and an interesting fact in Korea there are companies known as the BIG 3 called YG JYP and SM and if an idol debuts in those companies it’s a guarantee success
Same in Japan, Debut in Smile Up (Ex. Johnny's) LDH, Avex, Amuse, and some others. As long as you don't get shoved into a 48/46 group your career is guaranteed to be a good one.
In these recent years, it has transformed into big 4 with the addition of hybe. In fact in the last few years, i would say hybe has produced more successful acts then all big 3 companies combined, mostly because hybe is a conglomerate with multiple subsidiaries (music lables)
@@sanidhyamahajan7079 its just became a conglomorete for correction and its just a 2 year company still. 2 year after it became super big not that the company is only 2 year cause bts is 10 year?
@@sanidhyamahajan7079tbh yg isn't "big" anymore
WHERE'S MORANBONG GIRLLL!!
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JPop came first. It is authentic & more rounded developed.
Kop piggybacked off of American Hip Hop, R & B & 80’s/90’s Pop music. And K-pop’s main goal is money.
That’s the difference for me
"authentic"🤨
@@BBarNavi Dude, you literally just posted: "they outsource so much of their production to foreign experts" "Korea has fine-tuned its formula for maximum reach through consultation with international marketing and production experts."
Nothing like the authenticity of selling your creative soul to foreign experts who assembly line and factory package everything so you can make some more money.
There are concepts like royal road progression in Japanese music called ōdō shinkō when we talk about J-pop overall music. that's itself come from a history of jazz and rock progression in the West and their making incorporated with their traditional music. that's why their music in J-pop is much more melodic than K-pop overall.
but when we talk about K-pop either you talk about face, costume, chart, view, or whatever superficial thing that doesn't matter in music overall. I never heard their fans talking about music theory in general.
Why are so many people invested in labels to exclude XG? because they are afraid of the comparison. Everybody makes music in the same genre, whether kpop, Jpop, Xpop, pop. they all dance, they all form groups, all sing in all languages Kpop and Jpop included yet once XG enters the conversation everybody scatters for shelter under a "Label"
Labels don’t ultimately matter and that is becoming true more now than ever before.
@@DudeJerichonope they are still
Xg just seems like a project to me trying real hard to make a big Hit and get attention sorry Not sorry before i thought they were kpop i didnt even know they were japanese. All of their producers are korean the last time i checked the list...
XG is Kpop sung in English with all Japanese performers.
5:00 that made me remember a ceratin kpop audition clip here on YT where jpop idols were invited to become a live audience and support their fellow Japanese idols. Both the Japanese audience as well as the contestants literally cried after they got judged by the Korean judging panel. The judges basically told them they need to improve more on their singing and dancing skills, and got eliminated off the show afterwards. The Japanese girls literally cried cause they saw weren't on par with the Korean contestants on the show. Kinda heart breaking to see tbh, being popular in Japan doesn't mean you'll get popular in South Korea.😢
i believe the show is produce 48. both sides have a huge culture shock
I can swear I have very much good listening skills, not to hurt kpop fans but it's not for koreans to tell japanese how to sing. Kpop idols definitely can sing but what they lack is experience singing live in public. Kpop agencies are quick to decide that idols do not need to sing and represent normal singing voice but pre-record live singing which on the result give us the ideal live performance with no actual live perfrom. Everything that does kpop idol needs to be perfect so they do not allow their singers to actually SING before audience which is really frustrating. Japanese on the other side always aim to live performance. You could find millions of jpop idols who sing yes not perfect, yes sometimes it could be good or bad but they SING on the scene that what singer should do. Comparing to them korean idols voices are not trained I rarely see live performance in kpop shows. The good ones were 2ne1, Sistar, SNSD. I couldn't find good live singing from new kpop groups. All of them were pre-record that sounds like live but not.
@@eternal_love7879 I kind of think it was funny that people used that as kpop being better than jpop. People were saying stuff like you can really tell how much better kpop is than jpop is. Like, they literally took one group and made a blanket judgement of the genres as a whole. Let's be real, if they would have brought in LDH idols instead of AKB, most of the kpop dancers would have gotten their butts handed to them.
i used to have the same opinion as this until i got into jpop actually😭 in jpop, they may not be the best singers but they always sing live unlike in kpop unfortunately + there are good jpop singers too;)
@@12012channel but its a collaboration of the korean media and akb company so its a company desicion, but i think its akimoto idea of not fully training them like korean groups. but i hate it too when people saying how better the one side than the other side. when its just how you prefer on things. like your example of ldh than akb and i think people really just need to understand how its just different, and based on how it culturally different both country is too. it like how my country is now having a big boom on ppop. when before its focused is hip hop, and band music. there is also pop before it but it not that big boom like what happening this time.
Hey! I love your content. Just wanted to say the background music you use in this video (and some of your other videos) drives my little autistic brain up a wall. It's hard to describe, but when I hear a noise that sounds like a voice in the music my focus goes to that and I lose what you're saying. The background music has a sound that sound like a voice and it takes my focus away from you. Idk if I'm the only one who feels this way, but I thought I would share in case others have similar issues to myself. Keep up the great work!
Kpop is manufactured content made for a global audience
Jpop is music made for japanese people
Jpop is also manufactured. Matter of fact, most of Pop music is manufactured.
I hate that the notion of Japanese Idol is "music and performances does not matter much, being cute is"
Guys.... Hello Project is right there to deny all those accusations....If Korean truly brave enough - collab with UF for that production competition bs instead of 48 groups.
Thank you for bringing them up! I'm a huge h!p fan and seeing them usually lumped into people's misconception of J-idols not being able to sing and dance is so frustrating to me
HP has even had Korean Trainees that even though are good haven't been able to debut due to the insane filter HP has
i thnk its akimoto who collaborate with mnet. akimoto is always looking outside of japan. so i think it just happen. i hate it too when people saying whose better when it just how you prefer. as a kmusic fan and a jmusic fan as also kpop and jpop listener. i think it just how you prefer things. on how you want it to be. music and performance is as good in j-idol like k dol. it just how a company focused on thing. on how music they want to released. what vibe it is. i hate super competition on each fandom now.
I followed °C-ute for
all ten years they existed,
bought every album,
maybe half the singles..
HP! groups are fun
I prefer JPop songs
because the emphasis
is on melody, less
western influence,
few divas.. and yes
being cute is more
important because
that’s what consumers
want..
@@kyokugo6460 Nah I feel like the Korean h!p girls didn't debut because of how domestic focused the Japanese music industry is. Like look at the rest of the h!p girls, the only real foreigners are Junjun and Linlin and look how they were treated by both management and fans
jpop has a very long, long history. it's about history, culture and context. japanese idols are just a spectrum of jpop, and they all interact with each other in many ways
jpop is about chinese music theory, hence so many traditional japanese instruments, fused with modern stuff and clothing, and everything, AND western musical theory like jazz. japanese idols have all that stuff going on, and the aesthetic, the japanese values and messages. people shit on it because it doesn't put effort into worldwide marking, but what the fck up fck you, not everything has to be worldwide. I clap at how they managed to take the best of both worlds: sincere traditional stuff and western stuff
kpop took hints from modern american pop world, that is, hip-hop, r&b... being cool, sexy, "perfect"... yeah, all shallow crap. it's not about music, it's not even about values like good work, team work, cuteness, doing your best, or japan's extense religious, spiritual stuff, etc, nah, it's about the american way: being the hottest shit ever, and get 'em teenagers all wet
korean idols are better at singing and dancing but it's not natural, it's not driven by passion but rather by rigorous corporate training
Better at singing??? Sorry but thats Not true lets be real hahahahha...the dancing is great but singing wise the kpop industry is a huge Scam. They go more for looks and modelling and dancing. The jpop stuff i Listen to has one of the best vocals ive heard since years
You can tell who's really into the art vs. who's just in it for the paycheck.
Sacrifice and training aren't unnatural. Passion drives them to improve so they can give the audience the bets performance possible. You can make all the excuses and caveats you want, the difference is noticeable. Produce 48 had to cheat to get 2 of the J Idols into Izone. Sakura made it fine on her own.
@@Blodhelm it's not natural when they don't even love music, you can see on interviews, music is not even their hobby
@@helldeirch exactly. i remember in the blackpink documentry, rose is saying how shed like to go back to trainee days bcs she actually got to interact with music herself
why is it that Japanese idols that debut in Korean GGs bad at singing? off the top of my head, the only one that's any decent is Sana from Twice...and that aint saying much.
Mina is far better than Sana, it's just that they make her sing so quietly and they don't give her the chance to excel with her belting voice.
From what I hear, the boys have it a lot better. NCT comes to mind, but they're SM who are the industry leaders in vox 🤩
As a kpop fan, I tried really hard to get into Jpop but can’t really. The vocals and humor just doesn’t relate to me. Maybe I’ll keep looking.
it depends on what you like, youll defintely find it!
you dont have to love Jpop.just like how i cant love k pop and i dont even have to try. 😂 . both styles are not everybodys cup of tea
so XG aren't IDOLS? by your definition they are. and they're all japanese.
plus XG dance abilities are tops in the world
Not exactly covering every variation there is and aren’t they X-pop?
@@DudeJerichoWait, I thought they were a Global Group?
I think they are, but they gave themselves the label X-pop
@@DudeJericho Makes sense
a company's most important goal should be getting maximized profit with minimized expenses idk if japanese companies dont know that i dont understand why they dont want more foreigner fans for their idols weird
Japan's like that with everything. Not only Idols, but music in general (except for a select few, like Ado, Yoasobi or Rock/Metal Groups). I don't know if you know BiSH, but they were pretty successful overseas when it came to YT and Spotify, etc, but you weren't even able to buy their merch because you needed a valid Japanese name to register on their site. But worst is their movie and drama (or tv in general) market, where NOTHING is marketed overseas, except when Netflix or some streaming service buys it, and even then the Japanese don't care and leave everything to Netflix, which results in really bad subtitles 95% of the time and 0 PR except for the random suggestion in-app.
I started with J pop❤
Japanese = Japanese
Korean = Black American Western
Japanese Kpop Idols
- they're the best of both worlds tbh~ shoutout to CHERRSEE - NIZIU - XG - PRIKIL
having said that tho... THAI IDOLS are my personal favorite~
they have the divine femininity that both hangook and nihon girls lack
nihons are manipulative in their submissiveness
hangooks are manipulative in their non-submissiveness
there are a few kpop groups that do not have the LIARS vibe to them
groups like WEEEKLY or TRIBE that genuinely feel like good people
but 99.9% of Kpop are manipulative liars!
especially groups like BP or TWICE or AESPA
and I haven't found a Jpop group who isn't lying through their teeth yet
I never believed in the submissiveness of a japanese woman..
except maybe CHERRSEE NENE, NIZIU MAKO or XG JURIN.. those three have legit waifu potential fr
xg is japanese western group
I would not put XG as a "Japanese K-Pop group." XG themselves never considered themselves K-Pop or J-Pop in the first place. "Global girl group" would be a more appropriate term for them. They're not singing in either Japanese or Korean for a reason. Hip-hop, r&b did come from the U.S. after all.
@@adrimarsink the reason I called them western pop group when they sings in english
@@edoardorivera4119 They're not exactly Western group either. The girls themselves label as "X-Pop," meaning not J-Pop, K-Pop, Western Pop, or whatever kind of Pop. They're just Pop that caters all around the world. Global Pop, so to speak.
everyone here is wrong cause they're literally performing on KBS MUSIC BANK on a weekly basis.
and before you say "well yea but they're not ONLY kpop"
that logic doesn't apply.. cause SNSD can release a japanese album and perform in japan or release an english song and suddenly be on CONAN
but their core is KPOP. just like how XG's core is KPOP.
thats why they all know korean. there is no reason for a japanese global group to know korean. at all.
Maybe the other different is: idol in Korea is everything about 99% niche. idol in Japan is like 25% of music market perhaps?
Japanese idols are great. So much more engaging imo.
J idols are so diverse. So, making a blanket statement would be wrong but in a lot j idols the emphasis is the audience. While in kpop the emphasis is on the performer. You can really see this in live shows.
Skill, training, and whether the company accepts mediocrity as long as an idol can dress like a doll/child for the weirdos and pretend to be trying hard without actually improving. If a Jpop Idol gets good enough, they go to Korea.
they literally do this in kpop too. have you not seen illit or lesserafim?
I listen to both but jpop idol is more unique
kpop is more normal and not awkward compared to jpop
You mean Korean makes Black American Western music sung in Korean.
the difference between American and Japanese rock bands next 🤣
nice
Ministry of K-pop
*female idols
I don't know why people even compare. I have no real experience with KPop and don't care to be totally frank because what I've heard of it sounded like western pop, which is absolutely not my thing, but from what I've seen and read, KPop Idols are way more focused on singing and dancing, while JPop Idols are way more focused on the entertainment aspect. In Japan basically the only thing you need is to be "kawaii" and interesting and you have way higher chances of being and succeeding as an Idol than if you'd be a super good singer and performer. The only things high schoolers (at least girls) are talking about (in regards to JPop Idols) are how kawaii and funny etc they are, not how good they are at musical activities. That's also why they're not or very rarely marketed overseas, the style of Japanese entertainment is vastly different than what the "overseas" population is used to. That's not only limited to Idols or music, but even more so with movies and dramas. Most Japanese tarento (talents, people who are active in a vast variety of fields besides acting and what a lot of Idols become when they're done with their Idol activities) don't really look at US or western "colleagues" at all so they can get better at acting or be marketable overseas because they only try to cater to their domestic market and it's often enough to be "kawaii" and/or have big breasts (sorry, but unfortunately very true) or be "kakkoi" (cool in looks and personality) in case of men to get roles and be successful. The acting is absolute secondary, except for the minority that really are or want to be actors/actresses (like for example Matsuoka Mayu, Nikaido Fumi or Kuroki Haru). Which also results in A LOT of stupid Shoujo Manga related stories with a naive and pure damsel in distress that gets verbally abused by some cool looking guy who's super popular and thinks he can get away with being an absolut scumbag, because all the girls are head over heels in love with him even if he tells them how stupid and ugly they are 3 times a day. And this, contrary to the availability and style of music, didn't get better at all in the last 10 years.
TL;DR: Korean idols can dance.
Jpop all the way, Jpop idols have flaws just like everyone else, Koreans try too much to be perfect.
The difference between those two is how the idol personalities are portrayed. Sure, both can be generated by the management but The Jpop idols are more fun to watch due to their large number of members in the group and their personalities are diverse and more close as a real person. It's like watching a sports team whose members are all cute while in K-pop, in my personal opinion, the personalities of the idols are really repetitive and manufactured as if they have found the formula. and not the majority but some Jpop idols do have skills in singing and dancing. They just could not get the chance to show since most of their songs are sung in unison or the market does not demand it. Overall, I prefer the music of J-idols.
I personally have little to no interest in k-pop, it jus feels too fake to me and the music is boring as f... Japanese music is currently the best, not just compared to Korea but to the rest of the world.
Not gonna lie….K-pop can try & compete with American (or Western) Pop. But it will NEVER exceed it.
But give them a hand for the all out effort.
Dude in which world u r dwelling kpop have already overcome the bland(typically) western pop already also u'd see the behavior of those artist when they see or meet a kpop idol...they'r literally whipped, 2023 coachella & lollapalooza was only hit coz BlackPink & NewJeans performed(was claimed by the western audiences) even being not english kpop is doing very well, its quite famous that why it is at a level where u r comparing it with...kPop wIlL nEveR eXcEed...man why r u talking bout the whole industry when a single kpop artist is a threat to ur western whole music industry (yk whom i am talking bout )their insta lives have more views than the views on Grammy which those english speakng artists crave to have one..LOL
Let me introduce you to a little group known as BTS.
@@Blodhelmwho?
i prefer dons and lauris reiniks but like Miki Matsubara is goated even though shes not a idol
If u wanna know who is better think about this. Pretty much every female Japanese idols admire kpop idols and fantasize about being one. Most of them would drop everything and jump at the chance at being a kpop idol but u will never see a knop idol doing the same.
nah.
Its becoz popularity, while Jpop busy fishing in their own country Kpop on the other hand can make you into a top world star that coz they're promoting global not just local, I Mean everyone wants to be more popular especially if u are entertainer. Japan love that Region Lock thing
The difference is how much does Japanese groups vs Korean groups take "inspiration" from AfricanAmerican culture? Korean groups are far more popular because they take more "inspiration" from AA culture. AKA more music genres (and the styles, dancing, clothing, etc that come from those musical cultures/genres).
Gonna give up jazz so easily?
And where did Funk, City Pop and Cheerleaders come from? Jpop without American influence would be a sad thing indeed.
저는 한국인입니다.
먼저 영상에 한국정부개입이라는 잘못된 정보가 또 있네요. KPOP이 왜 성장했는지에 대한 일본다큐를 보시고 만든건지요?
KPOP의 한국정부개입이라는 출처가 처음 나온곳이 일본다큐멘터리입니다.
일본에서 만든 한국관련다큐는 사실이 아닌경우가 많습니다.
한국인이 봤을때 매우 엉터리 입니다.
결론적으로 팝송과 한국대중음악을 좋아하는 한국인들을 위해 개인 회사에서 음악을 만들었습니다.
다른 나라들도 마찬가지로 우리끼리 듣고 즐기고 놀려고 만든음악이란 말입니다. 한국노래인데 왜 영어가 많냐는 질문에는 KPOP이 글로벌하지 않았을때도 1세대부터 지금까지 한국계 미국인의 멤버는 항상 껴있었고, 심지어 지금보다도 90년대 1세대~2세대 그룹에 영어권 멤버들이 더 많았습니다. 영어가사에서는 한글단어로 다소 어색하다 싶으면 중간에 영어로 대체를 했는데 그게 지금까지 굳어졌고 KPOP의 특징이 되버린것입니다. 꽤 역사가 깊어요. 그냥 우리끼리 놀다가 갑자기 유명해진겁니다.
I find it funny any comparison where kpop is not an obvious bias gets kpop fans offended. Jpop goes on variety shows WAY more often than Kpop idols. Its one of the big selling point as compared to kpop it is not one of their main focus or activities they focus on. Simple. (Alot of k fans were complaining about this in the comments) Variety shows happen much less in general in kpop as they used to have much more of a presence.
Ive also seen someone in the comments mention jidols must not have personality focused on because they look similar and then proceed to say all the good things about kpop over jpop… really?
I have been a fan of both kpop and Jpop but any comparison that says the better qualities of jpop for once brings annoying kpop fans out.
Yeah, I was always expecting there to be complaints lol
Variety is a HUGE selling point in Kpop and I don't know how you're denying this. Aside from Running Man and basically Yoo Jae-seok's entire reason for existing, the industry makes variety content for their groups in-house.