This is a walkthrough of Discovey Synth by DiscoDSP (iPad, Mac, Windows, Linux), based on the ClaviaNord Lead 2 synth. This has been on desktop for a while but just became available for iPad. There is much to like, but also seriously a lot to be improved to in this initial iPad release. Please note that this is a port of DiscoDSP Discovery, not of their newer and more powerful Discovery Pro. Additionally, some features of the desktop version appear not to be available at present in the iPad version as they rely on mouse and keyboard combos which seem not to have corresponding gestures in the touch version. Courtesy of Luxthor from the ABF, here are some differences between Discovery and Discovery Pro: "5000 presets vs 3500 12 oscilators vs 8 oscilators 128-voice vs 16-voice 12 filters vs 8 filters 4x oversampling vs 2x Wave oscilator vs none Graphic envelope modulation vs none Edit option on every group segment." Courtesy of Samu of the ABF, here is an edited description of the very convoluted workflow for saving your own presets inside the app's preset system: "Create a user bank, once you’ve tweaked an existing preset, go to Menu, Copy Preset, select an empty slot in the user bank, then paste & save." User Rapidfire offered this suggestion regarding making new banks: "open the Files app/My iPad/Discovery/Assets, just long press on any folder and select Duplicate, long press on duplicate file and rename it (change bank number to last position)." 🟡 If you are a fan of my work, please help me keep this channel going, as I make a truly minuscule amount from RUclips ad revenue so can’t continue doing this without commmunity backing, whether from devs or from app buyers. Check out my Patreon at patreon.com/Gavinski The $5 tier has tons of iOS giveaways and exclusive vids, the $10 tier adds AUM session file access, presets and desktop plugin giveaways. There is a free tier too, btw, where there are occasionally posts and even the odd giveaway. Apart from Patreon, another really good way to support me is by using my Plugin Boutique link when you buy desktop plugins: 🟡 www.pluginboutique.com/?a_aid=65c7016dea38b One-off donations are also super gratefully received. Donations and Patreon memberships are really the only chance I have of getting compensated fairly for my work here, so I really appreciate donations. You can also book one to one consultations with me on Buy Me A Coffee: 🟡 www.buymeacoffee.com/953211370u 🟡 paypal.me/GavinskisTutorials Thank you once again to those wonderful people supporting my work, you are much appreciated! 🟧 Socials: Twitter x.com/gavinski_s Instagram instagram.com/gavinskistutorials Threads www.threads.net/@gavinskistutorials Facebook facebook.com/GavinskisTutorials 🟧 Purchase links (non-affiliate): www.discodsp.com/discovery/ apps.apple.com/app/discovery-auv3-synth/id6695741686
Finally joined your Patreon and it was far overdue. I hope folks like me who have benefited from your wonderful educational content consider doing the same! I was just thinking about how personally invaluable your channel has been to my iOS music and sound design journey. Teachers/instructors are not supported properly these days. This type of structured consistently high quality content is typically inaccessible to the public. Hopefully, my message rings true with a few comment readers and they decide to help support you and your channel!
Thank you for this lovely message Josh! I saw you joined earlier and already sent you a welcome message on Patreon. Your message really rings true. It is really shocking how much people take RUclipsrs for granted, even when we are very open, as I am, about how meagre the rewards are for us. It is even worse when so few people support you in a niche which is basically all about consumption! So yes: I hope more people read your message and say ‘You know what, it is indeed about bloody time I gave Gav some financial support too’. Thanks again Josh.
With such a large amount of presets it would have been nice if you can mark a preset as a favorite, like we can do with a lot of other iOS synth apps. And filter all your favorites to quickly find them again. So many things that are overlooked and rushed, just like you mentioned. Such a pitty since it looks and sounds like such a promising app. Really wish the developer would have spent more time on this port. So far i have restrained myself from buying it. The future will tell if additional updates might come to actually improve this app. I have to say that i appreciate your homest review more than other reviews i have seen that just praise this synth without going into what’s all wrong with it. Good stuff Gavin.
Thnx Ed. The dev clearly doesn't appreciate my honest reviews as they are ignoring my emails and I did not get a free code for this even for my own use. They have also declined to publicise this video, while they have promoted vids that speak only of the positives. Yet, this video continues to outperform those other vids by a significant margin. That's shoddy behaviour from the dev. I will continue to review these apps, as necessary, with total integrity. I hope that other reviewers in the space stop only discussing the positives of apps and pandering to devs for the sake of a measly free code. Everyone benefits from honest reviews, even devs benefit, if you look at things from a 'big picture' view. Hard on the ego maybe, but better for their wallet in the long run. This was a sloppy release indeed. People need to know that, the devs need to up their game, and they themselves will benefit if they do so. They should be thanking me instead of ignoring me, frankly.
@@GavinskisTutorials in general app developers are really approachable and value the input of users or content creators. I read on the AB forum too how unresponsive they are to feedback. But i guess these guys fall in a different categorie, and at least I learned to be a lot more cautious from now on about the apps that they release. Your integrity to offer us genuine and honest reviews adds a lot of credibility to your content and channel. So that is definitely worth something Gavin. I prefer reviews and attitude like that more than content from channels that just want to have the videos out first and only focus on positives and avoid the negatives. I assume that their reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt at best.
Thanks for the helpful review. Good thing I spotted it on RUclips right before I was about to buy this app. Great synth, but the lack of ability to create your own preset banks and the blurry interface are critical points for me. I will hold off on buying it for now and hope the developer fixes all these issues soon.
Apparently you can create your own preset banks - I just added some info about that in the pinned comment. It's still fiddly. I doubt the blurry UI is fixable. I hope I'm proved wrong, as that is indeed a very major flaw
Fully agree. It sounds amazing but the UI is blurry, the parameters not exposed is quite sloppy, couldn't save presets as well and I'm a bit disappointed its a strip down version of the old Discovery, not the Pro one.
Disco DSP always knocks the actual sound of the synth out of the park! Nah no iPhone support. 3500 patches. Cheers Gavi! Update yea, it’s like they don’t have a sharp edge or outline to help the text stand out, huh.
Thanks for your honest transparent review! I'm noticing some censorship that is really detrimental to the community on "another channel". On a side note, I checked DiscoDSP's site in the context of this launch today, and found that there were 2 different versions of Discovery available on PC/Mac: the red UI (or Pro) version being double the cost of the other version (white UI). I was surprised that the iOS version had the Red UI, which would hint that it would inherit the Pro version features. However, as I watched another video showing off the product I saw in the list of available filters that the new 4 additional "analog sounding" filters advertised on DiscoDSP's site as being Moog modelled filters had been left out. I thought it was worth mentioning for obvious reasons! Your demonstration that there were no Discovery parameters visible in AUM was the cherry on top 😄 . At least OB-Xd 3 is in a usable state now so hey at least that's a win for that one!
Oh and also about your report of strange parameter changes in the UI that instantly reminds me of what I found out with OB-Xd 3 and which still hasn't been addressed: OB-Xd 3, whether it's in Standalone mode or in AUv3 mode SYSTEMATICALLY listens to MIDI that's being output by devices that are connected to the iPad via Bluetooth OR via Network Session MIDI. This behaviour entirely bypasses AUM's filtering system. My guess is that you're experiencing something similar in this case. That problem alone made it impossible for me to use OB-Xd 3 at all until they released the MIDI channel selection option, which only allows me to circumvent the problem to this day. DiscoDSP has never responded to a single one of my emails either when I reported all this. I think now more than ever is the time for people in the community to vote with their wallets. Affordability should never be an excuse for seriously flawed instruments, as it just wastes people's time and degrades the quality of the user experience making music on iOS.
It's very bewildering to me that, just after the ob-xd release, where so many people pointed out bugs etc after release, this comes out with so little attention to detail. Hopefully some fixes and improvements will come in the next week or two
@@GavinskisTutorials I would even go further and argue that this kind of release (Discovery), especially considering its price is very damaging to this platform as in my view it literally mathematically pollutes/dilutes the pool of apps that are worthy offerings in an ever expanding ocean of grbo (not to use other words which I'm thinking nonetheless). The comparative price tag baits people that are familiar with the platform into thinking that it's going to be a quality product whereas it absolutely is not. Between: 1. The dev being 100% unresponsive to emails 2. The inherent hassle it represents to initiate a refund procedure with the app store 3. the multiple major ways in which this product is dysfunctional (and to a lesser extent OB-Xd 3) 4. The inherent difficulty for YT content creators (such as myself) to gain access to sufficient exposure on YT to be able to leverage this exposure for whistle-blowing purposes when appropriate to drive positive change 5. The de-facto deplorable abusive censorship that can be observed on this platform in situations where truth and transparency conflict with financial interests More than ever DiscoDSP 100% deserves to be called out. With all that said, I will still recognize that for people that are specifically into Oberheim style sounds, considering the extreme rarity of the role that it fulfills, OB-Xd 3 at its launch price still makes sense considering its current state, despite being seriously flawed. The latest major problem I've identified with OB-Xd 3 yesterday is that if a user uses AUM to save OB-Xd 3 patches, it remembers the MIDI channel on which the synth was configured when the patch was saved in OB-Xd 3 directly. In the context of the Bluetooth/Network Session MIDI issue I mentioned earlier, users like myself have no choice but to restrict the active MIDI channel in OB-Xd 3 directly to just a single specific channel at the level of the plugin directly (as opposed to AUM) in order to effectively prevent OB-Xd 3 from listening to MIDI data (coming from Bluetooth/Network Session MIDI devices) which is not targeting OB-Xd 3 as in that use case OB-Xd 3 bypasses AUM's MIDI filtering system. In that context the implication is that users can't just switch between AUM OB-Xd 3 saved patches, they have to systematically manually adjust the MIDI channel of their saved synth patch in AUM whenever they load a patch through the AUM method if there happens to be a MIDI channel mismatch in the particular context in which a particular instance of OB-Xd 3 happens to be used. I would still rather do that than trust the patch management system of OB-Xd 3, but I'll inevitably end up testing it to see if it allows me to bypass that problem because it's obviously a major inconvenience.
@@GavinskisTutorials You might want to look into your comments management tool to approve my previous comment in response to what you wrote as it just got filtered by the automatic YT system, which hilariously enough confirms what I mentioned in that comment. I personally disabled YT's automatic comment moderation on my channel because I'm tired of being on the receiving end of this system just for being truthful and honest.
Hey man. It’d be good to hear what the devs have to say about the stuff you brought up. Seems like they may have rushed the release. Anyway, good walk through dude 🙌
Thanks, Gav. I'm sorry some of the issues you identified weren't resolved before releases, but I trust most will get fixed. The dev has a good rep on other platforms, from what I can tell.
Yes, Greg. Thing is, it wouldn't bother me and other users as much were it not for the fact that they just released another synth which was also poorly tested some weeks ago. There were, rightly, a lot of complaints then, and yet no lessons were learned. And in fact, this release is even more slapdash! People feel it shows a lack of regard for the iOS platform, and I fully understand their concern. Things will be improved for sure, some things at least. But still. Cheers!
Yes, was not paying attention to that I guess. Most UIs do display that around the knob itself, which is a much better implementation and therefore much more common now. This is not a piece of hardware, its software. But point taken, and you're right, cheers
If you categorizing your synth as a top one it should be like that! Too many critical opinions are left out… Too many good competitors at that level…you can’t make big mistakes like that.. And yet another great video Gavin 👏
Thank you Sam. It's important that reviewers cover the bad and the good. 'Total Quality' approach. Hopefully the next DiscoDSP release will be a bit more polished when it comes to market. That way, everyone wins
@SAMIZRAEL Their current sloppy approach to these ports is not doing them any favours, as is apparent from the reaction in places like the ABF, so it is in their own interest to improve in these respects
Just watched this after reading the thread on the ABF, out of curiosity more than anything, as this is not my kind of instrument at all. It’s sad that some desktop devs think it’s OK to release such a half-baked port in 2024. Luckily many others take more care!
Just an honest review Pete! This is better for devs too. If they do a proper job in their app design, more people buy, and more people who bought actually enjoy using the thing they bought. I think the cheerleader type of reviewing that is so common in this space does a disservice to everyone - I hope you agree!
Im happy with the release. Same with OB-XD, was getting better from version to version. Enjoy it and the next updates will gradually eliminate the small defects, I think.
I think some stuff will get fixed. I'm not sure how easy the blurry UI will be to fix, exposing parameters will be easy. The preset system is clunky as heck, I doubt that will get altered. I would just use the host preset saving system in AUM instead
Thanks for the video, I'm usually pretty quick to buy new iOS synths bit I think I'll hold off on this one for now. Very disappointed by all the shortcomings. $20 isn't very much money but for an iOS synth with this many issues, it actually kind of is considering everything else that's out there for a fraction of the cost. It's unfortunately very clear that they rushed the release on this one. This is what the beta program is for!
This sounds nice, but… 1) I can make similar sounds in other synths I own 2) There seem to be numerous technical issues that would seem to make it a pain in the ass to use 3) I say “seem” because since the dev has once again bypassed iPhone, I couldn’t get it even if I wanted to 4) Some forum members have reported “less than ideal” experiences when contacting the developer. Sounds like #3 is a blessing in disguise for me. Yikes and gadzooks
So honest the dev has been ignoring me. Well, the people need to know the score and this dev should be a lot more careful in testing and checking before releasing their apps 🤷♂️
@@GavinskisTutorials i completely agree with you Gavin. In the end such arrogance and sloppy work is going to hurt his future sales on the app store, although he might not realize it yet. Since a lot of us will avoid buggy and overpriced products from developers like this. It is disrespectful to the end-user and news and an bad imago spreads fast in the community. While on the other hand there are also developers that do such an amazing job at releasing quality and reliable apps, that i usually grab their apps almost unseen (Bram bos, Nembrini… to name a few), because i know it will be a solid product from a trustworthy developer and i won’t be disappointed. But I learned that this is a developer to really be extremely cautious with, to say the least. And i know for a fact that i am not the only one that thinks like that.
I can see your comment BTW but yeah, this happened to someone else recently who wrote something critical about this release in the RUclips comments, crazy, and terrible. I can't understand why, there's nothing out of line in what you wrote, I can't see why it would trigger the removal bots
No offense to the company - this looks interesting (quite a lot) - but yeah; no exposed params = no buy for me. Maybe in a few months once it gets a proper update ✌🏼. Shame cause I was really looking into buying this 👁
@@GavinskisTutorials hoping they do because no Synth worth 20 dollars on the app-store has “the right” to miss basic features - especially recreations of old gear (cause like, it’s not even like they are offering “something new”). This looks like a very versatile tool, just needs to develop a bit further tbh. I’m sure eventually they will add those parameters - I’ll buy it after that - deffo sounds nice (that’s for sure).
This synth is very disappointing , when i first opened I thought there is something wrong with my screen ! this is the blurriest app on Ipad ever ! then you keep tapping on things and you have to be lucky to engage controls with only couple of taps . Nothing grabs straight away plus lots of strange and annoying dysfunctionalities associated with last century computing . Hey DickoDSP , lets party like is 1999 , yeah 🍅
Yes, I actually forgot to mention the tapping issues. Because I was using a mouse in this video, I didn't experience them, as this behaves better with a mouse. The best thing really is for you and other people to write to DiscoDSP expressing your disappointment. And perhaps to ask for a refund if the downsides don't get fixed and annoy you too much. It's a great sounding app but it is genuinely, in many respects, one of the shoddiest releases I can recall ever having come across in this niche, so I understand people's anger and i can't gloss over these when making a vid on it.
This is a walkthrough of Discovey Synth by DiscoDSP (iPad, Mac, Windows, Linux), based on the ClaviaNord Lead 2 synth. This has been on desktop for a while but just became available for iPad. There is much to like, but also seriously a lot to be improved to in this initial iPad release. Please note that this is a port of DiscoDSP Discovery, not of their newer and more powerful Discovery Pro. Additionally, some features of the desktop version appear not to be available at present in the iPad version as they rely on mouse and keyboard combos which seem not to have corresponding gestures in the touch version.
Courtesy of Luxthor from the ABF, here are some differences between Discovery and Discovery Pro:
"5000 presets vs 3500
12 oscilators vs 8 oscilators
128-voice vs 16-voice
12 filters vs 8 filters
4x oversampling vs 2x
Wave oscilator vs none
Graphic envelope modulation vs none
Edit option on every group segment."
Courtesy of Samu of the ABF, here is an edited description of the very convoluted workflow for saving your own presets inside the app's preset system: "Create a user bank, once you’ve tweaked an existing preset, go to Menu, Copy Preset, select an empty slot in the user bank, then paste & save."
User Rapidfire offered this suggestion regarding making new banks:
"open the Files app/My iPad/Discovery/Assets, just long press on any folder and select Duplicate, long press on duplicate file and rename it (change bank number to last position)."
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The $5 tier has tons of iOS giveaways and exclusive vids, the $10 tier adds AUM session file access, presets and desktop plugin giveaways. There is a free tier too, btw, where there are occasionally posts and even the odd giveaway.
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Finally joined your Patreon and it was far overdue. I hope folks like me who have benefited from your wonderful educational content consider doing the same! I was just thinking about how personally invaluable your channel has been to my iOS music and sound design journey. Teachers/instructors are not supported properly these days. This type of structured consistently high quality content is typically inaccessible to the public. Hopefully, my message rings true with a few comment readers and they decide to help support you and your channel!
Thank you for this lovely message Josh! I saw you joined earlier and already sent you a welcome message on Patreon. Your message really rings true. It is really shocking how much people take RUclipsrs for granted, even when we are very open, as I am, about how meagre the rewards are for us. It is even worse when so few people support you in a niche which is basically all about consumption! So yes: I hope more people read your message and say ‘You know what, it is indeed about bloody time I gave Gav some financial support too’. Thanks again Josh.
You're absolutely right Josh. Gavin is a superb educator and a fine fellow too.
@@rolandpyle8914thank you Roland, you’re a great guy too btw, and it is a pleasure to know you!
Sounds pretty good. Great video!
thnx!
With such a large amount of presets it would have been nice if you can mark a preset as a favorite, like we can do with a lot of other iOS synth apps. And filter all your favorites to quickly find them again. So many things that are overlooked and rushed, just like you mentioned. Such a pitty since it looks and sounds like such a promising app. Really wish the developer would have spent more time on this port. So far i have restrained myself from buying it. The future will tell if additional updates might come to actually improve this app. I have to say that i appreciate your homest review more than other reviews i have seen that just praise this synth without going into what’s all wrong with it. Good stuff Gavin.
Thnx Ed. The dev clearly doesn't appreciate my honest reviews as they are ignoring my emails and I did not get a free code for this even for my own use. They have also declined to publicise this video, while they have promoted vids that speak only of the positives. Yet, this video continues to outperform those other vids by a significant margin. That's shoddy behaviour from the dev. I will continue to review these apps, as necessary, with total integrity. I hope that other reviewers in the space stop only discussing the positives of apps and pandering to devs for the sake of a measly free code. Everyone benefits from honest reviews, even devs benefit, if you look at things from a 'big picture' view. Hard on the ego maybe, but better for their wallet in the long run. This was a sloppy release indeed. People need to know that, the devs need to up their game, and they themselves will benefit if they do so. They should be thanking me instead of ignoring me, frankly.
@@GavinskisTutorials in general app developers are really approachable and value the input of users or content creators. I read on the AB forum too how unresponsive they are to feedback. But i guess these guys fall in a different categorie, and at least I learned to be a lot more cautious from now on about the apps that they release. Your integrity to offer us genuine and honest reviews adds a lot of credibility to your content and channel. So that is definitely worth something Gavin. I prefer reviews and attitude like that more than content from channels that just want to have the videos out first and only focus on positives and avoid the negatives. I assume that their reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt at best.
Thanks for the video! Great sounds in there, so all the more unfortunate that there are so many bugs and inconveniences.
Definitely! I hope they tighten up the ship before the next release, this is genuinely sloppy workmanship!
Thanks for the helpful review. Good thing I spotted it on RUclips right before I was about to buy this app. Great synth, but the lack of ability to create your own preset banks and the blurry interface are critical points for me. I will hold off on buying it for now and hope the developer fixes all these issues soon.
Apparently you can create your own preset banks - I just added some info about that in the pinned comment. It's still fiddly. I doubt the blurry UI is fixable. I hope I'm proved wrong, as that is indeed a very major flaw
Fully agree. It sounds amazing but the UI is blurry, the parameters not exposed is quite sloppy, couldn't save presets as well and I'm a bit disappointed its a strip down version of the old Discovery, not the Pro one.
Yes
Disco DSP always knocks the actual sound of the synth out of the park! Nah no iPhone support. 3500 patches. Cheers Gavi!
Update yea, it’s like they don’t have a sharp edge or outline to help the text stand out, huh.
Yes - they excel in sound, but they genuinely kinda suck when it comes to UI and UX
It sounds awesome, but in this day and age we expect and need parameters ….gone play with audiokit’s NERD synth until they sort it out
Annoying indeed, the parameters will very likely get exposed mind you
Thanks for your honest transparent review! I'm noticing some censorship that is really detrimental to the community on "another channel". On a side note, I checked DiscoDSP's site in the context of this launch today, and found that there were 2 different versions of Discovery available on PC/Mac: the red UI (or Pro) version being double the cost of the other version (white UI). I was surprised that the iOS version had the Red UI, which would hint that it would inherit the Pro version features. However, as I watched another video showing off the product I saw in the list of available filters that the new 4 additional "analog sounding" filters advertised on DiscoDSP's site as being Moog modelled filters had been left out. I thought it was worth mentioning for obvious reasons! Your demonstration that there were no Discovery parameters visible in AUM was the cherry on top 😄 . At least OB-Xd 3 is in a usable state now so hey at least that's a win for that one!
Oh and also about your report of strange parameter changes in the UI that instantly reminds me of what I found out with OB-Xd 3 and which still hasn't been addressed: OB-Xd 3, whether it's in Standalone mode or in AUv3 mode SYSTEMATICALLY listens to MIDI that's being output by devices that are connected to the iPad via Bluetooth OR via Network Session MIDI. This behaviour entirely bypasses AUM's filtering system. My guess is that you're experiencing something similar in this case.
That problem alone made it impossible for me to use OB-Xd 3 at all until they released the MIDI channel selection option, which only allows me to circumvent the problem to this day. DiscoDSP has never responded to a single one of my emails either when I reported all this. I think now more than ever is the time for people in the community to vote with their wallets. Affordability should never be an excuse for seriously flawed instruments, as it just wastes people's time and degrades the quality of the user experience making music on iOS.
It's very bewildering to me that, just after the ob-xd release, where so many people pointed out bugs etc after release, this comes out with so little attention to detail. Hopefully some fixes and improvements will come in the next week or two
@@GavinskisTutorials I would even go further and argue that this kind of release (Discovery), especially considering its price is very damaging to this platform as in my view it literally mathematically pollutes/dilutes the pool of apps that are worthy offerings in an ever expanding ocean of grbo (not to use other words which I'm thinking nonetheless). The comparative price tag baits people that are familiar with the platform into thinking that it's going to be a quality product whereas it absolutely is not. Between:
1. The dev being 100% unresponsive to emails
2. The inherent hassle it represents to initiate a refund procedure with the app store
3. the multiple major ways in which this product is dysfunctional (and to a lesser extent OB-Xd 3)
4. The inherent difficulty for YT content creators (such as myself) to gain access to sufficient exposure on YT to be able to leverage this exposure for whistle-blowing purposes when appropriate to drive positive change
5. The de-facto deplorable abusive censorship that can be observed on this platform in situations where truth and transparency conflict with financial interests
More than ever DiscoDSP 100% deserves to be called out. With all that said, I will still recognize that for people that are specifically into Oberheim style sounds, considering the extreme rarity of the role that it fulfills, OB-Xd 3 at its launch price still makes sense considering its current state, despite being seriously flawed. The latest major problem I've identified with OB-Xd 3 yesterday is that if a user uses AUM to save OB-Xd 3 patches, it remembers the MIDI channel on which the synth was configured when the patch was saved in OB-Xd 3 directly. In the context of the Bluetooth/Network Session MIDI issue I mentioned earlier, users like myself have no choice but to restrict the active MIDI channel in OB-Xd 3 directly to just a single specific channel at the level of the plugin directly (as opposed to AUM) in order to effectively prevent OB-Xd 3 from listening to MIDI data (coming from Bluetooth/Network Session MIDI devices) which is not targeting OB-Xd 3 as in that use case OB-Xd 3 bypasses AUM's MIDI filtering system. In that context the implication is that users can't just switch between AUM OB-Xd 3 saved patches, they have to systematically manually adjust the MIDI channel of their saved synth patch in AUM whenever they load a patch through the AUM method if there happens to be a MIDI channel mismatch in the particular context in which a particular instance of OB-Xd 3 happens to be used. I would still rather do that than trust the patch management system of OB-Xd 3, but I'll inevitably end up testing it to see if it allows me to bypass that problem because it's obviously a major inconvenience.
@@GavinskisTutorials You might want to look into your comments management tool to approve my previous comment in response to what you wrote as it just got filtered by the automatic YT system, which hilariously enough confirms what I mentioned in that comment. I personally disabled YT's automatic comment moderation on my channel because I'm tired of being on the receiving end of this system just for being truthful and honest.
I see your comment, the very critical (but trutyfu) one from about half hour ago? Was not censored by RUclips, don't worry!
Hey man. It’d be good to hear what the devs have to say about the stuff you brought up. Seems like they may have rushed the release. Anyway, good walk through dude 🙌
Thnx W! Yeah, would be good to hear from them, I guess, I suppose we'll see how updates go over the next week or two, cheers!
cool cool... DSP always makes my pantaloons snug up a proper bit
Lol
Thanks, Gav. I'm sorry some of the issues you identified weren't resolved before releases, but I trust most will get fixed. The dev has a good rep on other platforms, from what I can tell.
Yes, Greg. Thing is, it wouldn't bother me and other users as much were it not for the fact that they just released another synth which was also poorly tested some weeks ago. There were, rightly, a lot of complaints then, and yet no lessons were learned. And in fact, this release is even more slapdash! People feel it shows a lack of regard for the iOS platform, and I fully understand their concern. Things will be improved for sure, some things at least. But still. Cheers!
17:22 You say you’d like to know how many semitones you’re up. It literally says so in the main display!
Yes, was not paying attention to that I guess. Most UIs do display that around the knob itself, which is a much better implementation and therefore much more common now. This is not a piece of hardware, its software. But point taken, and you're right, cheers
Here to feed the algorithm Gods.
The disappointment when I realized that iOS got Discovery and not Discovery PRO is real.
Hi James, yes, I wonder why they did that. Btw, please check your Insta DMs, cheers bro
I wished id have seen this video before buying this app 😊😊😢😢
Ah, bummer
If you categorizing your synth as a top one it should be like that!
Too many critical opinions are left out…
Too many good competitors at that level…you can’t make big mistakes like that..
And yet another great video Gavin 👏
Thank you Sam. It's important that reviewers cover the bad and the good. 'Total Quality' approach. Hopefully the next DiscoDSP release will be a bit more polished when it comes to market. That way, everyone wins
@@GavinskisTutorials totally agree
@SAMIZRAEL Their current sloppy approach to these ports is not doing them any favours, as is apparent from the reaction in places like the ABF, so it is in their own interest to improve in these respects
Just watched this after reading the thread on the ABF, out of curiosity more than anything, as this is not my kind of instrument at all. It’s sad that some desktop devs think it’s OK to release such a half-baked port in 2024. Luckily many others take more care!
Yes, I get a vibe that people feel it's kind of a bit disrespectful to the scene, and I can see why they think so, indeed!
you conceptually destroyed it 😂😂😂
Just an honest review Pete! This is better for devs too. If they do a proper job in their app design, more people buy, and more people who bought actually enjoy using the thing they bought. I think the cheerleader type of reviewing that is so common in this space does a disservice to everyone - I hope you agree!
@@GavinskisTutorials 💯❌💯
@@GavinskisTutorialsReal customers and real devs should take note. Gavinski keeps it real.
@@GavinskisTutorialsnow they upgraded, It's a shame that it could have remained the first and only synth in history that couldn't create banks😂😂😂
@PeterPrism lol, sadly, many iOS apps lack decent preset systems. It really annoys me. Apps with user-friendly, intelligently designed, powerful preset management are pretty rare, imo
Im happy with the release. Same with OB-XD, was getting better from version to version. Enjoy it and the next updates will gradually eliminate the small defects, I think.
I think some stuff will get fixed. I'm not sure how easy the blurry UI will be to fix, exposing parameters will be easy. The preset system is clunky as heck, I doubt that will get altered. I would just use the host preset saving system in AUM instead
Thanks for the video, I'm usually pretty quick to buy new iOS synths bit I think I'll hold off on this one for now. Very disappointed by all the shortcomings. $20 isn't very much money but for an iOS synth with this many issues, it actually kind of is considering everything else that's out there for a fraction of the cost. It's unfortunately very clear that they rushed the release on this one. This is what the beta program is for!
These devs urgently need to improve their beta testing process - yes, definitely
Great vid
Thank you Mirek!
@@GavinskisTutorials looks like youre getting out one a week on you tube
@mirekkrejci4094 yes, but next weeks might be quieter as I will leave India and go back home for a few weeks, will be busy!
@@GavinskisTutorials dude you must be looking forward to that ?.
@mirekkrejci4094 for sure
Feeding the algo..
My man!
This sounds nice, but…
1) I can make similar sounds in other synths I own
2) There seem to be numerous technical issues that would seem to make it a pain in the ass to use
3) I say “seem” because since the dev has once again bypassed iPhone, I couldn’t get it even if I wanted to
4) Some forum members have reported “less than ideal” experiences when contacting the developer.
Sounds like #3 is a blessing in disguise for me. Yikes and gadzooks
It really is very nice but the UI blurriness is probably the main thing that wrecks it for me
Wuuoah ❤😮
Awesome honest review Gavin! Terrible sloppy and rushed release.
So honest the dev has been ignoring me. Well, the people need to know the score and this dev should be a lot more careful in testing and checking before releasing their apps 🤷♂️
@@GavinskisTutorials i completely agree with you Gavin. In the end such arrogance and sloppy work is going to hurt his future sales on the app store, although he might not realize it yet. Since a lot of us will avoid buggy and overpriced products from developers like this. It is disrespectful to the end-user and news and an bad imago spreads fast in the community. While on the other hand there are also developers that do such an amazing job at releasing quality and reliable apps, that i usually grab their apps almost unseen (Bram bos, Nembrini… to name a few), because i know it will be a solid product from a trustworthy developer and i won’t be disappointed.
But I learned that this is a developer to really be extremely cautious with, to say the least. And i know for a fact that i am not the only one that thinks like that.
@@GavinskisTutorials i think YT didn’t like what i had to say about this developer’s practices. I see my comment was instantly removed 😂
@EdBMetal hmm, weird
I can see your comment BTW but yeah, this happened to someone else recently who wrote something critical about this release in the RUclips comments, crazy, and terrible. I can't understand why, there's nothing out of line in what you wrote, I can't see why it would trigger the removal bots
How close does it sound to a real Nord?
I don't use hardware, the general consensus is that it is a good emulation but you'd best google this maybe, cheers
No offense to the company - this looks interesting (quite a lot) - but yeah; no exposed params = no buy for me.
Maybe in a few months once it gets a proper update ✌🏼. Shame cause I was really looking into buying this 👁
Strange indeed they didn't expose them, hopefully they will
@@GavinskisTutorials hoping they do because no Synth worth 20 dollars on the app-store has “the right” to miss basic features - especially recreations of old gear (cause like, it’s not even like they are offering “something new”).
This looks like a very versatile tool, just needs to develop a bit further tbh. I’m sure eventually they will add those parameters - I’ll buy it after that - deffo sounds nice (that’s for sure).
Too depressing couldn't watch to the end!
Hi! You mean you don’t want to hear any negative reviews or you are disappointed in the job they did?
@@GavinskisTutorialsprefer honest reviews yours sounded spot on definitely a non purchase from me. The app sounds very half baked.
@MeerkatMuzic the sound is great, the implementation is very disappointing. Hopefully most of it fixable, but still...
I'm un-sold, passing on this one.
So the vid was useful, great
@@GavinskisTutorials Yes very useful, needed something because I was on the fence. Maybe I will reconsider after a few updates.
@unstablesun8179 it is at least less blurry after this new update
This synth is very disappointing , when i first opened I thought there is something wrong with my screen ! this is the blurriest app on Ipad ever ! then you keep tapping on things and you have to be lucky to engage controls with only couple of taps . Nothing grabs straight away plus lots of strange and annoying dysfunctionalities associated with last century computing . Hey DickoDSP , lets party like is 1999 , yeah 🍅
Yes, I actually forgot to mention the tapping issues. Because I was using a mouse in this video, I didn't experience them, as this behaves better with a mouse. The best thing really is for you and other people to write to DiscoDSP expressing your disappointment. And perhaps to ask for a refund if the downsides don't get fixed and annoy you too much. It's a great sounding app but it is genuinely, in many respects, one of the shoddiest releases I can recall ever having come across in this niche, so I understand people's anger and i can't gloss over these when making a vid on it.
@@GavinskisTutorials Yes , It takes large dose of arrogance to release app in this condition , If it was a car we be all in hospital by now ... 🚑
@zeenagual1962 😂
Why would you use an iPad it’s such a rubbish piece of tech
I beg to differ but don't have the time or motivation to go into a long post about why. You're not into it, that's fine