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The Conlang Community Iceberg, Part 1 ft. Käntwo, Brian Borque, Biblaridion, Connor Quimby, and more
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- PART TWO: • The Conlang Community ...
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This is layers 1-4 of the conlang community iceberg, as according to the submissions of the Agma Schwa Discord server back in February. We'll take a deep dive into every little bit, and the deeper we go, the crazier it'll get.
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To think that my greatest failure would be the thing that kicked off my RUclips career. I guess some good did come from it in the end.
Your Thandian video was the first video of yours I saw, and is what made me realize conlangs EXIST. Afterwards I watched your how to make a language series. Now I’ve been conlanging (or trying to conlang at least) for over a year
@@braydencoversbeatles4029 same, well except i found out about conlangs through jan misali but without biblaridion’s vids i wouldnt have known how to make a conlang and probably never wouldve tried to do it
"What does not kill me, makes me stronger." - Nietzsche
Try to translate your comment to thandian and then translate that to edun
Your video on Thandian has genuinely helped me avoid making similar mistakes in a lot of my first conlangs! I mean, yeah- it's an embarrassing old experiment that that never came to fruition, but you learned a lot and you're able to take those lessons and share them with other people and that's what matters!
my "conlanging exists realization" actually came from discovering that grammar can be summed up in tables, i had a spanish class and the fact that a tiny table with six suffixes could let you express so much blew my mind
Lmao anglos discovering inflection
@@bacicinvatteneaca i am by no means an anglo
@@ryrieee u American?
@@RaffleRaffle no, i'm polish
@@bacicinvatteneacaL assumption
I had always made up weird letters so I could write in a secret code. And then one day Artifexian shows up in my recommendations and it was the "eh? what do you mean I can just CHOOSE THE SOUNDS??" moment.
And I've been trying to make a conlang ever since.
Yeppp that's how it began for me as well. Except I found out about conlanging as an art form from the book "Watership Down."
Thanks for the shoutout again! We actually love to get criticism! Vulgar is what it is today thanks to all our user feedback we've got over the years :)
*Lies*😐
@@alexilonopoulos3165 Well, Vulgarlang have actually took my "criticism" / feedback good. Actually, I have seen they have added new features and fixed bugs thank to our recommendations. But it's different if you're expecting to them to accept "criticism" that I will call HATE.
@@alexilonopoulos3165 No joke. Negative feedback is actually waaay more valuable than positive feedback, because it helps us understand how people are using the app and identifies opportunities for improvement. If you have any criticism, I'm actively asking for it! :)
@@vulgarlang cash grabbers
@@anthonymarcelino8460 Yeah, how dare we run a small business, right?
Me: Mom can I have wendigoon
Mom: no we have wendigoon at home
Wendigoon at home…
the stuff wendigoon talks about is terrifying, but its nothing compared to the absolute stain on humanity, the most malicious, terrifying and abominable creation ever to be invented, Thandian
I think Jack Eisenmann's popularity is pretty much due to the fact that he was doing conlang showcases on RUclips before pretty much anyone else. I know that I tried to look for conlang-related videos when I was first getting into all this, and Pegakibo was pretty much all there was at that point.
I said "pretty much" three times in this comment and I feel terrible about it
Dont forget the VötGil episode of conlang critic being memed a ton.
@@jangamecuber That was a few years afterwards, but yes
@@jangamecuber
I'm a bit excited because this episode is a first in a few ways..
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Votgil
Votgil
I'm a bit excited
I'm a bit excited
I forgot how bopgil goes after this
@@rsyvbh so many vowels
Fun fact: "tokiponido" is an Esperanto word (literally "offspring of Toki Pona").
Fun fact: the word "why" has become a slang, written as a triphthong, in portuguese due to natives interacting with workers from a british mining company. "Uai" has been a word in my vocabulary since I learned to speak.
Interesting, do you also use wow? I know that Spanish has "guau"
Literally watching this while working on my first con Lang
Good luck!
Hope its coming out good! You can finish it when part two comes out, haha
It’s probably going to come out horrible! Also it’s never gonna be finished! Yeaaa
@@hanskotto8630 Don't worry, it happens for everyone. That way you can learn from your own mistakes.
@@hanskotto8630 dont worry, everyones first conlang is bad. and their second conlang is usually a little less bad. and their third...
Now that was fun, can’t wait for more collabs (hopefully with a functioning mic and computer 😩)
you did good
@@elemenopi9239 thanks!! Appreciate it
Heya Kantwo!
Super fun working with nguh on this one :)
8:38 I didn't know colleges had conlanging classes
Oh my god it's happening! Everybody stay calm.
Surprised by ghoti not being on the top xd
I love niche conlings for kids accidentally creating conlangers later in life because I had a very similar experience to what you had with Bionicle but with the Atlantean from Disney's Atlantis. I remember the relex being in so many promotional materials and me saving so much of it and putting it into a little scrapbook and writing things in Atlantean. I had a cereal box that I held on to for years because of that. 😂
The Art of Language Invention book is so useful for beginner conlongers like me who doesnt have access to a conlang class yet. It's filled with really great information for new conlangers. Taught with humor and great examples its a wonderful tool. I'd imagine for more advanced people it's not the most cruscial, but for new conlangers I think it's a great choice!
This video is main ly about the younger generation of conlangers who grew up with the internet and RUclips. I grew up as a child in the 1970s and teenager in the 1980s. I discovered Esperanto when I was 8, and started learning it when I was 10. I first heard about VolPük also when I was 8, but it wasn’t until 1995 (when I was 27) that I managed to get into contact with Brian Bishop and Ralph Midgley and started learning it. I also dabbled in Interlingua, Interglossa (1943), Glosa, Ido and Solresol. When I was a teenager I started inventing lots of conlangs but they never got anywhere. I think that we oldies had our consciousness of conlanging develop from the golden age of IALs between the two world wars, when Esperanto and Volapük and all their idos were flourishing. The ,Oder world of younger conlangers is more geeky and anoraky whereas the old ones of the early 20th century were more idealistic and aiming for realism and international understanding (albeit from a Eurocentric viewpoint) whereas modern conlangers are doing it for the fun of it and for the intellectual challenge rather than trying to get their languages to be widely spoken.
Wow that's amazing I would love to hear more from you!!!
23:19 HE KNOWS ABOUT THANDIESPO
HE KNOWS ABOUT THANDIESPO
HE KNOWS ABOUT THANDIESPO
Is it supposed to be like poliespo or just Esperanto
@@braydencoversbeatles4029 The name comes from a portmanteau of Thandian and Poliespo. The phonology chart was a catastrophe, like a giant square with every single MoA you could dream up and some preposterous PoAs, for example genitomamual, so we could have a genitomanual click, better known as a cockslap. We had to come up with our own grapheme to represent that letter, so we put some horrific meme in that box. In fact, most of the boxes in most charts were filled with memes that had nothing to do with linguistics; in fact I think most of them came from okbr. So yeah it began as an excercise to come up with the worst phonological and morphological categories conceivable, and it ended as a meme sharing hub. I can't remember the subtitle we came up with for the doc but I remember it was extremely silly and there was a fight where someone kept trying to remove it and we would troll him by putting it back but worse. And then the doc devolved into us swearing at each other.
Ah, memories...
Thandiespo is what happens to those in the last circle of Hell
does it still exist?
@@MisterHunterWolf I saved a PDF of the Google doc when we abandoned it if you'd be interested, though anticlimactically some of the tables can't even render properly because there are so many columns that the boxes are too tiny for the memes within
And today I learned that Biblaridion exists. Surprising, since I've been following Xidnaf and Jan Misali
Bonege filmeto! I’m an Esperantist, and Esperanto inspired me to create my own conlang. Hopefully one day I’ll be able to finish my conlang to showcase to those that are interested
13:14 jack eisenmann didn't make lidepla
also r/prolangs cameo pog
Ah crap u right, this is why comment sections are helpful
it's probably just that you drew lidepla right next to eisenmanns
I learned about triphthongs in school actualy. In my swedish dialect we have /ɪuo/ and /ʏœa/
oh wow! can you please give some examples? in my dialect we don't even have actual diphthongs
/ɪuo/ and what now
@@IntergalacticPotato i’m guessing it’s pronounced something like yueah… :’)
@@abcde_ghijklmnopqrstuvwyxz2188 yeah that makes sense
Vilken dialekt?
If they're going to include Altaic, they should have also included Proto-Nostratic in the iceberg or at least the poem written in it by Vladislav Illich-Svitych.
This featured Edun, now I am satisfied
Your pfp is literally Edun!!!
There is a conlang I was really hoping to see on here, but it's also not very well known: Tapissary. It is an artistic written language that sounds vaguely like French. If you could do a video on Tapissary that would be so cool!
Ooh, I’ll have to look into this!
Not sure if I'm more impressed by the research here or the chameleon shirt
I had no idea Lego Bionicle had a conlang.... Wild.
I really like this, but if there is ever a revision Viossa should absolutely be included (as well as other conpidgins/the fact that conpidgins can be made)
AYYY YES
dok hanu viossa?? 😭
направ золти
You should’ve included Kaduatán, which is an album of 5 songs written by John Quijada in Ithkuil. It would probably be in Level 4.
link? i need this
@@jangamecuber on John Quijada's RUclips channel: ruclips.net/channel/UCJ6BcuwscfmMl1pQp0gEX-g They're quite lovely, I've listened to them a lot.
Salum be like: Oh, okay, I finally understand what you were talking about
as someone who is around layer 2 this is super interesting
and also yes, leaning that conlanging is a thing that exists is just insane to me, so cool
Wait. Thandiespo? Did Thandian and Esperanto/Poliespo get busy?
Lol like half of the chat messages in the premiere was just me bragging about how I already know all of this stuff
Just to clarify, LCS hosts the Language Creation Conference every two years.
Op, I knew this, must have been a vocal typo
Tibetan went through a pronunciation reform, but spelling never changed; hence the atrocity that exists today.
My conlanging started off as me making cyphers where I wanted them to be spoken like pig Latin. I eventually started adding suffixes for grammar. I don’t know when exactly I discovered what conlanging was, but Ian Foster’s Wolflandic/Hardonian was the first conlang I knew about.
You just had to include the THX Deep Note. XD
the bottom of the iceberg should have "quenya 'finger named kid'"
Okay. So I was 100% on level 1, maybe 60/70% on level 3, and... 30-40 on the next level? Not too bad, considering I’m not much of a community person. 😂
Gonna have to move Na'vi up to the first layer now
For peripheral-vowels-only languages like Italian, learning about ə is essential to learn how to pronounce English with any semblance of realism - unless you just go with "listen to how drunk they sound, do the same". It's also, specifically for Italian (and I'd guess Spanish and Portuguese) used as a neolinguism to express the missing neutral gender (since masculine singular is generally coded with back vowels and feminine and plural with front vowels)
Only idiots use the schwa in those languages to express neutral gender, as you're supposed to use the masculine as a neuter
We should probably call the masculine neuter to fix everything (though somebody would probably get mad as well)
Actually, in Portuguese we have schwa, so we use the bizarre e, that has to versions in Portuguese (and nasals) [ɛ] and [e]. Neuter genre in Portuguese is pretty masculine, but people don't know that. And schwa is a forma of /a/, so it's feminine as in "menin-a" (girl), in opossite to "menin-o" (boy). Another example is the word "maçã", that is a feminine word and has a "nasal schwa".
MAN I'VE BEEN OBSESSED WITH HOW BLURSED SAANICH ORTHOGRAPHY IS FOR LIKE 9 MONTHS WHERE WAS THIS
**part two**
I just want to say that I didn't know about you Agma, I learned about you due to the amazing entries to the conlang contest you held and I just think it's so cool how the community has come together and grown like this.
I'm two years out of date on this. Mainly cause I missed it due to my laziness. I didn't know about a few of these things. Thank for shining a light.
my into to conlags was the language files that got me interested in languages and linguistics and then after watching that many times i got conlang critic's episodes
I never actually specifically had the realisation that conlanging was possible. Just started making up some stuff when I was around 4 years old (only thing I can remember is "Apfel und Weg", which meant "war").
Celestial is this low? I can't be the only conlanger who likes NieR Automata.
EDIT: oh right, there is a part 2.
the image on the 6th tier (the one with the mouth) looks like a linguo-nareal stop
That photo is really...
It's a practice called kechari mudra, which lets you taste the nectar of immortality
in esperanto, “volapukajxo” means an incomprehensible utterance.
“krokodili” means to speak a natlang, such as english, when and where esperanto is the common language.
english speaking esperantists might “crocodile” amongst themselves, or they might speak esperanto.
Mi ne scias ke volapukaĵo signifas tion
That linguolabial trill broke me
I remember conlanging back I'm middle school in 2003. It was before I even knew it had a name
I started in 4th grade. I had learned French and was enthralled with the movie Stargate, so I sought to combine the sounds of the Egyptians and French.
NOTE: EISENMANN DID NOT CREATE LIDEPLA THAT IS ANOTHER IAL THAT IS COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE EISENLANGS
Conworkshop: *Am I a joke to you?*
2:47 “Layer 1; The Surface *fart*”
I am proud to say that I am a part of this community of psychopaths.😅
A kopaka main? chad
15:30 ithink my language of thai has 3 triphthongs that are distinguished??
The very bottom of the iceberg: non-agglutinative
that was how things were for many years, though ever since Biblaridion's rise I'd say this is no longer the case
colloquial spanish often has the triphthong [iao] where literary spanish writes “-eado.”
Enjoyed the video. I'm assuming there's a whole level of the different types of conlangs. Or not?
Took up to tsez for me to find something I didn't know.
7:11 I still remember the moment it came to me.
you forgot r/tokiponaunpa
"/NRLW/" the Garun's arch nemesis!
20:07 Saying Vulgarlang was created by a team is a bit disingenuous. I know he loves to say "we", helps make things seem more professional, but I'm pretty sure the art is the only part LinguistX didn't hack together himself.
Whether it's any good and deserves the hate is a different can of worms, but I thought I'd at least clear up this one misconception.
Well, maybe it was created by "Linguistx" and not by team but the website is being online for years now. Probably the creator works now with a team, even if they're only 2-3 people, that's a team. :)
What is that cursed IPA on DJP's book??
Have you heard about outofgloom's Matoran Language project on tumblr?
Pfysche
I'm fairly new to the conlang community, so I won't get many of them, I think.
til there's no L in Artif(l)exian
Бю̄тіфәл ♥
Some 8 year old: *Chinese racial slur that is made up of 3 words that are the same except the middle vowel in them*
explain yourself, palisa jelo o
yay ur here
Surprised Edo and other Esperanto offshoots didn't make it on the list.
Do you mean Ido?
It is not pronounced Vaaluhpuke, it is pronounced Vaahluhpook, the oo is the oo at in foot or book
0:00 l i c c
I don't get the Superlinguo placement. Why is it on the 4th level?
Where is Avlönskt?
Or the ConWorkShop?
ia, ia, saparahon tenani 'abe; aba uiana na kanisaparaho: :(
>didn’t include the begriffschrift
Where in the iceberg would you put the Thala Nation youtube channel and Marc Okrand's Atlantean language and Vulcan language?
Where would you say Baronh would fit? It's definitely WAY less known than the ones from fiction you've presented here, but it's also not that cursed.
IIRC its vocabulary is based on ancient Japanese with lots of sound changes while its grammar uses lots of inflection.
Also, if you watch the anime adaptation, there's a short spoken passage of the language at the beginning of some of the episodes.
I very rarely meet a harsh critic of Esperanto who was as good of a person as Zemenhoff or the early Esperantists were.
hmm...
"culty parts of Abrahamic religions, i.e. wicca"
... i feel like i get what you were trying to say, but this was not the way to say it.
also why only the celestial alphabet and not passing-the-river or malachim? they were also in that same book by Agrippa, if im not mistaken?
otherwise, pretty neat!
This video opens with the licc
First thing it's used now but the second thing he is posted 10 months ago
This is me
i really had to find this two months later FUCK
janko gorenc should be there
Weird to realize that triphthongs are so weird. My native language (Portuguese) have them and when I learned diphthongs in school they were mentioned so I thought it was a normal stuff.
10:37
OMG sooooo true XD
One ! Example : morse code thank you
Thats not a conlang
Nice!
enochian not mentioned?
10:29 I FUCKING LOST IT LMAOOOO
yep, i was happier before discovering fish/gothi language
ŋə
No Nadsat? 🥺
:o
ye
very noice
ɳɲə indeed
Gvprtskvni is basically like saying Pelanos in Spanish... WHY DO BOTH LANGUAGES HAVE SINGULAR WORDS FOR SUCH CONCEPTS?!
13:08 Jack Eisenman created lidepla?