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The Conlang Community Iceberg, Part Two feat. lots of people
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2021
- Part One: • The Conlang Community ...
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Participants in this video: Lichen the Fictioneer, Connor Quimby, Dracheneks, SpaceDirt, benny, Kate the Pan Plate, Tark, Ætérnal.
This iceberg was a huge endeavor, definitely the most effort I've put into a single project yet. Huge thanks to everybody who helped in any way! Now you know the darkest depths of conlanging online. Is there more out there? Oh yeah totally, feel free to make your own icebergs if you want to go even more in-depth. My job here is done.
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I'm surprised you could manage to make a whole iceberg without even a mention of lojban
Or Toaq and the other loglangs which sprang from it.
More like lojBANNED from this iceberg list. \*finger guns\*
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@@Ithirahadayyyyyy 👉😎👉
36:29 This letter is used in the term _серафими многоꙮчитїи_ (serafimi mnogoočitii), which means _many eyed seraphim_ (or, a biblically accurate angel).
yo i love being a conlanger who can read cyrillic because it makes all those times when people use russian/other slavic languages a lot easier to understand. Does that letter make the о in много longer or is it just not pronounced??
@@everlyw7892 if i understans correcttly, and this only from my experience with russian as a first language, so sorry if i am wrong, but there would be a short pause between the two о's, like in uh oh
@@AmikaChill oh cool! do you pronounce it like an a or like an o?
@@everlyw7892 first o is reduced and is pronounced like a
Second one is stressed and pronounced like o
gotta say, watching through both parts of this was an experience, with how many of these entries are things that are directly connected to my own work. some important notes (in no particular order)!
- jack eisenmann's works had a small but extant following before being featured on conlang critic; his video outlining vötgil was decently popular for a conlang showcase video at the time
- an important step in the #RjienrlweyChallenge is step three: "do not actually do this". everyone who posted a video of themselves saying rjienrlwey failed the challenge
- it's somewhat irresponsible, I think, to present "ghoti" in a fully uncritical way; english spelling is a little weird, but it's not THAT weird, and any english speaker can intuitively understand that no, it's not actually consistent with english spelling to spell "fish" as (but "pfysche" works just fine!)
- come on you can't just talk about anthony mccarthy and the New radio shows? thread without talking about the SONGS smh
Hi
Hey jan! Love your conlang critic videos!
the songs are what cheered me up after i watched the end of gravity falls
sina pakala e kulupu pi toki pona a
My problem with the ghoti joke is that it simply ignores the fact english ortography is context sensitive, it really matters what is before and after each letter or group of letters. I started thinking about context sensitivity in ortography when I explained to somebody what is the REALLY hard part of learning to read Japanese.
lemme pull this up on a projector and give it a worthy screening
kay(f)bop(t) aside from the hats has a lot of amazing features, including but not limited to:
- the bimanual click (aka clap) and the faciomanual click (aka facepalm) are phonemes
- declensions for number are finite/infinite as opposed to singular/plural
- there is declension for awesomeness, resulting in the _epic, awesomic, coolic, okayic, mehic,_ and _submehic_ grammatical cases
you forgot the fact that zigazigah (forget the hats...) is the best joke word.
kay(f)bop(t) not at the bottom? I guess it's time to reveal more secrets...
Hi
The legend himself!
"The basque icelandic pidgin is not in fact a pidgin of basque and icelandic." Plot twist
Reality is often disappointing.
The Old Irish section didn't even mention the insane levels of verb suppletion (I don't blame you) which I will actually defend because it gives me confidence to add that type of suppletion to my own languages as a way to fake irregularity
Yup! That's a much more cursed part of the language. Actually, count the verbal complex too: that's why the etymology of Irish verbs can be so hard to figure out. Old Irish phonology and orthography are nowhere near as cursed as the segment makes out, even if they're not simple. Even today, Irish orthography is two tonnes of phonology stuffed into the one tonne bag that is the Latin alphabet, and it still makes more sense than English orthography.
Great cursed content! The $60 for the hats is totally worth it
Some dude put a language together for seraphim and now I'm down the rabbit hole of conlangs.
Woah that was a surprise! Guess I'm truly a member of the conlanging community now :)
It's nice someone found my video relatable even though I just did it for the laughs, but what's the point of conlanging if you can't have a little fun with it? Gonna watch the rest of this video now lol
Oh hey Caeruleus! I joined your discord a bit ago and loved your Sparai video!
Wouldn't the first person singular exclusive pronoun be something used by someone dissociating without an alter? If they're performing tasks during dissociation, and there's no alter fronting for a system because the brain is literally devoid of self-awareness at the moment, then would that not be "I, without myself, did a task"?
i know this comment is old but i can confirm it's like this, at least in my system lol
This is beautiful. So happy I got to work on this!
I'm gonna be honest. I have the document of Uwulang saved and like I honestly think it's beautiful. I kinda get why it would be weird since it's a language made of "uwu"s and "owo"s, but imo it's actually good how much effort is put into the language. It deserves more love.
alright its time for the sequel
thanks for the heart ö
I'm actually not that involved in the conlang scene. I just chew through iceberg videos like they're cake. Hard, cold cake that makes my teeth hurt. As someone who's proud of his English skill, it truly is a cursed language.
this will be a beautiful ~60 minutes
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@@wyntyrr cum
8:48 The Chinese language uses a similar phenomenon for character formation. The most notable example is 火 which means fire, but 炎 is inflammation, 焱 is flames and 燚 blaze.
I’m pretty impressed that I actually knew some of the stuff in the cursed part of the iceberg. This was a totally cool video series.
Thank you.
I also hate listening to hyper pirate. It makes me die a little on the inside listening to all of those rhotics. 😘
I love how Anthony McCarthy put the words conlang in quotations as if that's not what he speaks lmao
"paying your undoubtedly undivided attention to this iceberg deep dive video"
me, on the other side of my room, tidying my stuff up: yup 100%
"we all know Quebecois is just English speakers trying to speak French"
I don't know if Quebecois would be offended, but I feel pretty certain that they would not be amused.
My favorite conlang:
*Plukanian language:*
Koo - All words, with the following exceptions:
Kyu (pronounced "kyew") - any profanity
Ketseh (pronounced "keh-tseh", emphasis on the second syllable) - matches (or, rather, the chemicals ordinarily used on Earth for match heads)
Chatl - a currency unit
Tsak - a small bell worn on the nose to indicate the low social status of the wearer
Tentura and Antitentura - two opposite parts of the Universe. Some planets and galaxies exist in Tentura (including Earth, number 013 in the Tentura, seventh in Spiral) and some in Antitentura
Pepelats - an interplanetary spacecraft (from the Georgian პეპელა p’ep’ela, "butterfly")
Tsapa - a component for different machines. A "big tsapa" is a very important component for the pepelats. A "small tsapa" is a component for the gravitsapa; without the small tsapa, a gravitsapa will not work. Tsapa is similar to a very rusty screwnut
Gravitsapa - a component for the pepelats which allows intergalactic travel (from "gravity" + "tsapa")
Tranklucator - a weapon
Visator - compact device, detects difference between Patsaks and Chatlanians
Kappa - a button or lever
Luts - the fuel used by the pepelats, it is made of water
Chatlanin - being with a high social status (detected as "orange" on a Visator)
Patsak - being with a low social status (detected as "green" on a Visator)
Ecilop - a policeman ("police" spoken backwards)
Etsikh - a box for prisoners; also the imprisonment in such box (as a penalty); also "the Etsikh" is a jail with many such boxes ("Etsikh" is from the Georgian ციხე tsikhe, "prison"). "Etsikh with nails" is a hard punishment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza!
4:15 weak, where are my basque-algonquian pidgin fans at
@@gaxamillion_ It existed, but like Basque-Icelandic Pidgin, it’s heavily Romance with some Basque words and some Algonquian words.
20:01 no way my language is getting rep in a conlang iceberg of all places 😭😭
the dedication to 'pronouncing' kay(f)bop(t) correctly every time is amazing
Beneath this iceberg is an unknown language…
…My constructed language, Barohsawkies…
This is the first time I've seen someone actually do the Kay(f)bop(t) hat-switching in real life. Amazing.
56:51
The stuff of nightmares
As a native welsh speaker, I have to appreciate the amount of cursed madness mentioned here. There are also dialectal differences in welsh, and if you know what I'm referring to, you know. Anyways, diolch. Also, for fun, if you aren't twelsh, try your best to say llaeth (milk). You probably said it wrong, but at least it was funny. Anyways, pob hwyl, and I loved the teirlist.
I just saw the length omg
This is glorious
Oh my god that pronunciation chart on the 2nd to last layer is so cursed
4:30 ah yes my favorite romance language
german
I still can never believe that my native language language SENĆOŦEN ( 48:41 ) is seen as so cursed, it was created by my great grandfather Dave Elliot with the help of other fluent elders who were alive in the 70s and 80s. it was written in this way to show distinction from modern English using the limitations of a typewriter. This orthography is still new but I’ve grown up with it as being no different from how French and Spanish had different ways of using Latin characters. We have very few fluent speakers but this system has been effective in helping our dying language be learnt
I was going to say, it’s a little cheap to make fun of SENĆOŦEN orthography without going into the historical reasons for why it is the way it is. It’s basically one guy trying to give his mother tongue an orthography you can type on an English typewriter, in the era before Unicode. So, underlines and strikethroughs are phonemic because English typewriters don’t come with a bunch of fancy diacritics, and everything is capitalized because “caps lock” ≈ shift lock, which made all the diacritics available without having to hit shift.
Like @sproutgod1701 says, Dave Elliot’s work was a huge contributing factor to the fact that SENĆOŦEN survived long enough to undergo revitalization efforts. The ALL CAPS affect comes off as strange, but honestly, even that can be mitigated by font choice …
It does seem conlangers have a tendency to just point at things and go "its bad lol" without much objective justification... I can sorta see why some people see it as "cursed" (not that I necessarily agree), but if anything its the kind of "cursed" where I can completely understand why it was made the way it was. On the contrary, an example of something which is cursed in a way which I cannot understand in any capacity would be Poliespo.
It premieres at 2AM my time zone dammit!
Waiting to see, anyways.
iceberg time
Wow! Just... wow! I'm not that active of a member of the community (I watch conlanging youtube a lot, but I'm not on reddit or LCS), and I've only been watching your channel for a couple of days, but this was exactly the level of deep dive that I needed! I really appreciate this explanation, because I remember seeing this iceberg just as a picture some time ago and thinking: "well, yeah, I know some of these things, but I'm definitely not included enough to get most of it". And these two videos are so great, you really went so far to provide so much information both about actual "useful" things to know and memes, which is also so important for a community. Thank you!
I mean traditional Welsh numerals are cool and all, but they've got nothing on Hindustani. OK, sure, Hindustani uses boring old base ten - but all the numbers from 1 to 100 are essentially irregular! And as far as I know, there's no alternative regularised system! And like 750 million people use this language on a daily basis! And somehow people don't talk about this!
(Oh and by the way there's separate root words for 1.5 and 2.5, but that's actually practical so I think it can be ignored for now.)
I might be late, but never absent
You didn't even mention the most interesting part of the Kay(f)bop(t) Babel text: that it can also be translated to the lyrics of Never Gonna Give You Up.
1 hour is like 300 times my attention span
im watching it anyways
were gonna need an update of this in a couple of years. i cant wait to see what the ccc does to this thing
Hyperpirate-Kaybop Creole? dont mind if i do...
Ah, yes, good old karrrrr(f)barRrr(t')
(and, as we all know, "(t')" is top hat pronounced with your eye patch flipped up)
May its creation be swift.
Everytime I hear your intro, I can't ignore ***the licc***
the creator of viesa is called whiletrue
can confirm
(this joke has been ruined by the fact that this channel is no longer called whiletrue)
That was very entertaining. I knew at least one thing per layer :D
For anybody who wanted timestamps:
2:17 - Layer 5: The Shadow Realm
2:21 - Poliespo
4:16 - Basque-Icelandic Pidgin
4:56 - Rabbid
5:50 - Lingua Ignota
6:40 - (could not find how to type this, but it's about phonemes)
7:26 - Segmentative Aspect
8:57 - Strut
9:37 - There is no way I'm writing that down (it's about clicks in case you were wondering)
10:28 - ʩ (heyyy, I found a way to write it down!)
11:14 - Sulcalization
11:50 - Anthony McCarthy
13:12 - Hiw "Rhotic"
13:52 - Balaibalan
14:35 - Talossan
15:40 - Vabungula
16:54 - Vötgil Wikipedia article (To be or not to be, that is the question)
18:14 - Xnopyt
18:56 - SEAscript
19:19 - Sparai
20:01 - Welsh (you've probably never heard of it)
21:24 - Pmitxki
21:57 - Ælis
23:14 - Kiliki
23:51 - kay(f)bop(t) (aka the language with the hats)
26:40 - Layer 6: The Abyss
26:46 - Navy Seal Copypasta in Rabbid
27:16 - English (a fairly unknown language)
28:00 - Shona Whistled Z
29:00 - First Person Exclusive Singular (wtf?)
30:04 - This Chart
30:40 - ULTRAFRENCH
31:45 - Traditional Welsh Number System (base 20 + weird stuff)
33:50 - SCLEW
34:49 - IPA Chart from 1900 (CURSED)
35:56 - Phonetic IPA
36:29 - (again, how tf do I type this)
36:54 - whyyyy
37:24 - Uscript
38:12 - ÖXXÖ XÖÖX!
39:17 - Rikchik
40:13 - Old Irish
42:53 - Rausle (aka bird language)
44:12 - Blissymbolics
45:08 - Layer 7: The Lightless Depths
45:21 - uWu Language
46:22 - benny
48:39 - Saanich Orthography
49:20 - Erov
49:58 - Viesa (English evolved)
51:09 - Oou
52:28 - Car Slam
54:32 - HyperPirate (all the rhotics)
58:21 - Congrats! You have reached the bottom of the iceberg.
why did I decide to spend over an hour of my time doing this...
should I have been doing my homework? yes. did I have fun? also yes. I think that's enough of an answer.
I really need to go do my homework though.
Nice to find one of my once-frequent experiences sorted to the bottom of tier 6. Bliss wasn't too difficult to utilise.
i've been looking at your wall with some chinese characters and suddenly realized that you look like xiaomanyc
Had to look him up, yeah I can see it hahaha
xiaoma :eyes:
The velopharyngeal fricative is a sound people with a cleft palate use in place of phonemes they can't pronounce
3:11 I listened to the mere description of his conlang and could immediately tell that he was a psychopath. I was indeed correct about that.
Now we're deep.
Ah, pity there wasn’t that one corvid language.
Though i would like there to be a lot of stuff - a few more smaller youtubers, conlang tools, cool language features - one thing I would add is WALS😌
serendipitous convergent linguistic evolution - made the list? That's hilarious!
56:53 DO YOU SPEAK TO YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH???
18:39
So "but again what is a word" has become a meme much earlier than I though...
43:21
Pleasant to know someone else does this for birds))) Mine isn't as extreme tho
Car Slam could actually serve as a pretty good kind of code-speak.
48:35 Nguh please, convince Benny to create a RUclips channel. his Langs don't deserve to be isolated on your discord.
I'll be his first subscriber.
But no, seriously, these are some interesting sounding languages. I would pay to see the grammar behind them, if they are as cursed.
HyperPirate sounds like a mix of you having a stroke and you drowning
ÖXXÖ XÖÖX is also used by the experimental metal project Igorrr
XD Dracheneks taking over. Is it payback for when you appeared in one of his videos? XD
Of course, hahaha
hell yeah, welsh representation
hilarious that this video came out not long BEFORE billy ray waldon's conviction was overturned and he will be tried again
hyperpieate sounds like the language of an alien having a stroke
Happy 420!
אַרְבַּע עֲסְרִין טָבָה
ærba’ ‘esrīn Tāβā
26:40 please dont tell me thats possible
26:53 why can I hear Home Depot music in the bg lmao
If made now, this iceberg would need to contain the Sprekcedis "Pidgin". Sadly it kinda died a bit after an attempted spelling reform...
Let me hear Benny's conlangs clearly 💀
Moon script for the blind should be here
I have been watching these two videos for the last 90 minutes and you didn’t even mention the first (vaguely) successful conlang. Domido solresol faremi la falami lasi refasolfa re redodo.
(Universal language is the means of peace and unity.)
32:20 - The Welsh (and French) numbering system is nowhere near as cursed as that of Danish.
For a good moment I thought Benny was just a robot made from ur voice clips.
How to pronounce fŋ sound?
I need Crihaan in my life.
42:11 Cries in French.
Welsh in general is a conlang word.
Was the first conlang when people first invented language?
nguh train
id like to add a good contender for the lower layers: focurc
in 2016 a user joined a discord dedicated to ancient/endangered languages claiming to speak an undocumented germanic language
turns out it was just falkirk scots with a weird romanization 😂
it's a shame we didn't see the magical linguonasal place of articulation
pog
@Hayden the Toa the only dessert I know from the Philippines is Halo-halo
When’s the Ornu deep dive
The L in Milwaukee is silent >:(
I'm cry
Hast thou met Colin Gorrie? I am subscribed to his namesake RUclips conlanging channel. He makes interesting stuff, so go watch some of his films!
58:05 I have a new goal in life.
I wanna go toe-to-toe with Benny tbh
Some of my conlangs are vv cursed imo tbh, and I feel like he'd be interested lol
10:48 the velar trill isn't included even there, and it's what i say instead of alveolar one. BWAHAHAHAHAHA
15:40 this sounds like a cursing in Portuguese
IPA sound iceberg
Basic letters
Digraphs
Long vowels
Glottal stop
Aspirated plosives
The X sound
There is a vötgil draft
At like 30mins in, haha, nah I’m also playing super auto pets
strut bad
i have a question.. what does the image of the 6th layer mean?!
How much crossover is there between the conlang and the esolang communities? just a bit curious.
Now I want to give Xnopyt a definition. Why just because.
wꙮw
The tongue in the naval cavity is very disturbing
Someone called me?
Did no one in your community know about Láadan?
Good point