You actually want extended barrel rather than Arrowhead. Deterministic recoil gives Elsie's basically zero recoil with either extended or chambered. The roll you want is extended or chambered, ricochet, zen, head seeker, and a range or stability masterwork. That gives you the best recoil and it's personal preference whether you want range or stability. My personal Elsie's has chambered, high cal, zen, head seeker, and a stability masterwork. I've been kinda wanting desperado instead of head seeker cause ngl I feel like Zen does most of the work but idk
Extended removes 10 handling, chambered removes handling too. A counterbalance mod is good enough with deterministic recoil. Small bore or hammer forged for more range or corkscrew for more handling, range and stab can work just fine in the first column if you don't want to use arrowhead. I run small bore and with a cb mod the recoil pattern is just fine. It's easy to hit two bursts.
@@otisdriftwood7094 that's the thing with running chambered or extended: you aren't handcuffed to counterbalance. So if the handling is an issue, you can use quick access sling and your handling is already better than base even with extended and the ads speed is the same with chambered and only one hundredth slower than base with extended. Also, extended barrel gives the same amount of range as hammer forged, and chambered gives the most stability of any of the barrels tied with polygonal. It also depends on what exotic you're using, cause the differences will be negligible with handling if you're using ophidians or the class item with the ophidians spirit. You can also use stuff like backup mag which gives you three extra bursts, even radar tuner to help you maintain awareness. So while I agree it's not MANDATORY, I feel like the added flexibility and imo better recoil of extended and chambered more than make up for the handling. At least for me
Idk if I’m lucky but I got it on my second run of onslaught. Although I didn’t get the barrel or mag I still got the traits so I’m ok with it and honestly the gun is so good so you don’t really need the best roll possible unless you’re a perfectionist.
You want 83 recoil, It counters its base deterministic recoil to be more vertically straight than 100 RD.just trust, it's better. Chambered compensator or extended barrel are the best barrel options
@@viniciusromeiro1614 Not really true i tried dozens of rolls with basically the same stability on Elsies and the 88, 83, 98 and 100 recoil directions all perform basically the same in actual games. And even if you just shoot at a wall you will notice that with all those recoil directions the first two burst are always almost identical the first burst is completely straight and the second burst goes a little bit to the left side. The 83 recoil direction centers a little bit better after three of four bursts than most other recoil directions but that doesn't matter at all on those high impact pulse rifles because you always want to get a two bust kill and the three burst kill is anyways almost guaranteed
@@danhalo1405depends on the player then because I think 83 is better then 100 as well. Same with my rose. The difference between a couple points makes a difference for me.
@@Luketheduke12 Yes exactly thats what i tried to say and it is because Elsie's rifle is not one of those weapons that has one basically perfect recoil direction that always gives you a solely perfect straight vertical recoil like we have on some other pulse rifles in Destiny2. All of the better recoil directions on Elsie's do have regularly burst that shift a little bit to the left side and that includes the 83 recoil direction and those bursts to the left can make you miss some headshots sometimes so it really is more a matter of personal perference and muscle memory that you build with the recoil direction that you used a lot on Elsie's
This damn thing outshines No Time To Explain in every metric. even the ads after sprinting makes it feel like an auto rifle. Mine has maxed out range , crazy stability and handling, but most of all , it has headseeker and kill clip for me to choose from in the same column (same roll as in the video), plus the 83 recoil version. Its an exotic moonlighting as a legendary. Its insane how you can defeat enemies with it even at the closest range if you steady enough. Arguably the best pulse I have ever owned.
I have a Zen/Headseeker (with terrible mag and barrel) and it’s a good combo but I’ve grown to like Kill Clip because it’s helped me win back to back gun fights when I’m low health. Being able to challenge a 1v2 helpful
I think Headseeker is going to get nerfed sooner or later on those high impact pulse rifles it just makes them way way to forgiving and it also is the main perk everyone always is going to choose on those weapons which limits the build diversity kind of like Explosive Payload was before its nerf on handcannons Bungie for sure is not going to ignore this for to long
@@KnownAsSys yes but Messenger is locked behind Trials there are not that many people that got a god roll with Headseeker on that but for Elsies everyone can get a god roll
That is a hot take because kill clip isn't going to boost the ttk so why go for a kill perk? To make 2 burst more consistent which is what HS does anyway. At the end of the day do what feels good to you but I don't see the point.
@justintellsthetruth5684 if you're using kill clip for clean up kills then that's also a waste when you good just have higher up time and consistency with hs but like I said if it works for you whatever.
@@brandonwright1377 It's 100% situational. Play against good players and headseeker never procs because good players shoot back. The flinch negates the headseeker perk.
@justintellsthetruth5684 I mean if you're worried about flinch resetting the perk then how is kill clip helping against better player who are beating the base gun anyway? That seems like a bad argument. Also kill clip loses alot of value in game modes with lower player counts like trials where you're more likely to run into higher tier players.
Elsie's rifle is a beast... Exaggerated like No time to explain used to be. If ever in the future you need to test or make a video again and some weapons, ZK brother, I have mostly 90% of all godroll weapons for PvP and completely all patterns for craft, just tell me ;)
Where can you get Elsie’s at this point in the season ? I haven’t touched d2 since trials first came out in d2 , I am now back after a very long hiatus
I find that Keep Away on this is just as good as Zen Moment. I have really good rolls of with both and they’re both insanely good. I will say that either of the 2 is a requirement and that Headseeker is as well.
@@LivingTheorem I did hate it when they wanted to nerf Prosecutor (which wasn't the problem, everyone was using Summoner) but instead nerfed the type so my good old reliable Firefright got a big nerf as well. But yeah even tho I have no problem wiht high impacts being as good as they are, O can't deny the fact thatv they are all damn good right now
Destination -> Vanguard -> Onslaught/Onslaught: Playlist Tip: You can talk to Zavala in the tower and apply an attunement to one of the Onslaught weapons. "Attuning to a weapon will increase the drop chance of that weapon when participating in Onslaught. Only one weapon may be attuned to at a time." Happy farming 😴
It was the gun I farmed the most during that period. I eventually got the 5/5 PvP god roll (Chambered Compensator| Richocet Rounds| Zen Moment| Headseeker and Range masterwork), but I wished it was a shiny.
ZK GOES YEEEET, but seriously this gun is beyond fixable its the easiest way to absolutly fry a Pros players Pc while owning 2 braincells and having a monkey in your head
@TheGhadster depends on the player and their feel more than anything zen moment is still a beast of a perk for Elsies on controller. I don't think anybody would complain with either of those perks.
@@xxdarkslayerlord1922 from doing the onslaught node. Go and see Zavala in the tower to focus for an 'edge transit' Then launch onslaught and have fun 😁👍
If you have headseeker/kill clip blast furnace it two taps with much more forgiveness than Elsie. Plus in the right circumstances it's technically better than Elsie rifle.
How many accounts do you own, most legit players have one account, but in almost every one of your vids it’s a different account. My point is either you create new accounts and grind for certain weapon roles so when you go in matches your skill rating is low, thus your against low skilled players to make it seem like the weapon is OP, however it’s all an illusion, because it’s you who are skilled and not the gun that makes it appear OP.
@@charlesabuah2331 Stop making excuses for this content creator, it’s not that hard to grind for a particular roll. I find it very disingenuous to use other people’s accounts, without revealing whose account you are using and what skill rating they have. It robs the end user of simulating the same results as the video implies.
You actually want extended barrel rather than Arrowhead. Deterministic recoil gives Elsie's basically zero recoil with either extended or chambered. The roll you want is extended or chambered, ricochet, zen, head seeker, and a range or stability masterwork. That gives you the best recoil and it's personal preference whether you want range or stability. My personal Elsie's has chambered, high cal, zen, head seeker, and a stability masterwork. I've been kinda wanting desperado instead of head seeker cause ngl I feel like Zen does most of the work but idk
Extended removes 10 handling, chambered removes handling too. A counterbalance mod is good enough with deterministic recoil. Small bore or hammer forged for more range or corkscrew for more handling, range and stab can work just fine in the first column if you don't want to use arrowhead. I run small bore and with a cb mod the recoil pattern is just fine. It's easy to hit two bursts.
@@otisdriftwood7094 that's the thing with running chambered or extended: you aren't handcuffed to counterbalance. So if the handling is an issue, you can use quick access sling and your handling is already better than base even with extended and the ads speed is the same with chambered and only one hundredth slower than base with extended. Also, extended barrel gives the same amount of range as hammer forged, and chambered gives the most stability of any of the barrels tied with polygonal. It also depends on what exotic you're using, cause the differences will be negligible with handling if you're using ophidians or the class item with the ophidians spirit. You can also use stuff like backup mag which gives you three extra bursts, even radar tuner to help you maintain awareness. So while I agree it's not MANDATORY, I feel like the added flexibility and imo better recoil of extended and chambered more than make up for the handling. At least for me
stop coping u want arrowhead
Out of the 30 or so Elsie's I have gotten, I have yet to get a headseeker zen so don't feel bad
@@Furbiscuit_og sorry to hear that
I've gotten way more than that and no zen hs
Idk if I’m lucky but I got it on my second run of onslaught. Although I didn’t get the barrel or mag I still got the traits so I’m ok with it and honestly the gun is so good so you don’t really need the best roll possible unless you’re a perfectionist.
I got headseaker/zen also keep away headseeker
Neither with richochet thi smh
You want 83 recoil, It counters its base deterministic recoil to be more vertically straight than 100 RD.just trust, it's better. Chambered compensator or extended barrel are the best barrel options
I gotta agree, played with a few different rolls but 83 recoil direction is definitely the way to go
@@viniciusromeiro1614 Not really true i tried dozens of rolls with basically the same stability on Elsies and the 88, 83, 98 and 100 recoil directions all perform basically the same in actual games. And even if you just shoot at a wall you will notice that with all those recoil directions the first two burst are always almost identical the first burst is completely straight and the second burst goes a little bit to the left side. The 83 recoil direction centers a little bit better after three of four bursts than most other recoil directions but that doesn't matter at all on those high impact pulse rifles because you always want to get a two bust kill and the three burst kill is anyways almost guaranteed
@@danhalo1405depends on the player then because I think 83 is better then 100 as well. Same with my rose. The difference between a couple points makes a difference for me.
@@Luketheduke12 Yes exactly thats what i tried to say and it is because Elsie's rifle is not one of those weapons that has one basically perfect recoil direction that always gives you a solely perfect straight vertical recoil like we have on some other pulse rifles in Destiny2. All of the better recoil directions on Elsie's do have regularly burst that shift a little bit to the left side and that includes the 83 recoil direction and those bursts to the left can make you miss some headshots sometimes so it really is more a matter of personal perference and muscle memory that you build with the recoil direction that you used a lot on Elsie's
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This damn thing outshines No Time To Explain in every metric. even the ads after sprinting makes it feel like an auto rifle. Mine has maxed out range , crazy stability and handling, but most of all , it has headseeker and kill clip for me to choose from in the same column (same roll as in the video), plus the 83 recoil version. Its an exotic moonlighting as a legendary. Its insane how you can defeat enemies with it even at the closest range if you steady enough. Arguably the best pulse I have ever owned.
It's better for 3s sure..but not for rumble
Arrowhead Break is absolutely not needed on this gun. 73 recoil is plenty to easy 2 bursts. 83 is actually perfect recoil, but also unnecessary.
I have a Zen/Headseeker (with terrible mag and barrel) and it’s a good combo but I’ve grown to like Kill Clip because it’s helped me win back to back gun fights when I’m low health. Being able to challenge a 1v2 helpful
I think Headseeker is going to get nerfed sooner or later on those high impact pulse rifles it just makes them way way to forgiving and it also is the main perk everyone always is going to choose on those weapons which limits the build diversity kind of like Explosive Payload was before its nerf on handcannons Bungie for sure is not going to ignore this for to long
Honestly Zen Moment is what makes Elsie's so OP in my opinion. Sure Headseeker is good, maybe even broken, but it's been around on messenger forever.
@@KnownAsSys yes but Messenger is locked behind Trials there are not that many people that got a god roll with Headseeker on that but for Elsies everyone can get a god roll
@@danhalo1405 Fair point actually.
Punctuation is your friend
Nah. That would only push people back to Kill clip like when desperado got nerfed. KC is deadlier than headseeker. 2 burst body is impossible to beat.
Been loving the content lately
Mine is rewind rounds with headseeker and it's good for multikills and avoiding having to reload during combat in PVP.
and now matches will be filled with these, thanks content creators!
Is this thing really that good? I have one in the vault. Been sitting for a few months now, but armor piercing instead of ricochet.
That weapon is super good! Definitely overpowered if used correctly with the correct perks on top. You need one asap!
Hot take…once you get it rolling Kill Clip/Zen is better than Headseeker/Zen
That is a hot take because kill clip isn't going to boost the ttk so why go for a kill perk? To make 2 burst more consistent which is what HS does anyway. At the end of the day do what feels good to you but I don't see the point.
@@brandonwright1377Everyone isn't full shields. You can one burst anyone that's taken some damage, when you have kill clip active.
@justintellsthetruth5684 if you're using kill clip for clean up kills then that's also a waste when you good just have higher up time and consistency with hs but like I said if it works for you whatever.
@@brandonwright1377 It's 100% situational. Play against good players and headseeker never procs because good players shoot back. The flinch negates the headseeker perk.
@justintellsthetruth5684 I mean if you're worried about flinch resetting the perk then how is kill clip helping against better player who are beating the base gun anyway? That seems like a bad argument. Also kill clip loses alot of value in game modes with lower player counts like trials where you're more likely to run into higher tier players.
Love you ZK keep up the content
This bang bang got me my 3rd flawless ticket and 2nd trip to the light house
Love the content Zk
I respect the hustle. Probably the 3rd video on this gun 😂
Tbh out break perfected with head seeker slaps if you’re still grinding for a Elsie.
They secretly buffed this pulse rifle, FOR YOU TO FKJNG GRINDING IT TO GET THAT SPECIFIC ROLLS
I have full bore, armor piercing, zen, hs, stability MW and its awesome even with "only" 88 recoil direction. 100 range, 67 stability
Elsie's rifle is a beast... Exaggerated like No time to explain used to be. If ever in the future you need to test or make a video again and some weapons, ZK brother, I have mostly 90% of all godroll weapons for PvP and completely all patterns for craft, just tell me ;)
Where can you get Elsie’s at this point in the season ? I haven’t touched d2 since trials first came out in d2 , I am now back after a very long hiatus
Play the onslaught mode and get drops of such weapon. You also focus farm for it by using pve vanguard vendor.
Can confirm this gun literally made me carry so hard on comp by miles.
got a shiny one back then with kill clip and headseeker too, but keep away, like keep away more than zen moment
I’ve been grinding nonstop since we were able to . I haven’t even gotten zen and head together. Everything BUT
Bro I've been farming for a month, runs are like 200 are close. I can't take it anymore
Zk is about as good with storm's edge as I am 😅 love it
I got the role. I never used until a few days ago. It's a solid gun for sure.
Elsie Chappy is carrying me in comp rn
I find that Keep Away on this is just as good as Zen Moment. I have really good rolls of with both and they’re both insanely good. I will say that either of the 2 is a requirement and that Headseeker is as well.
Same lmao
2 different creators make a video about this in 2 days. Definitely getting nerfed
Hopefully all high impact pulses get a ttk nerf
@LivingTheorem i agree. 2 burst with no damage perks is kinda crazy. Im not the best with them, but they're dangerous in the right hands
@@LivingTheorem I did hate it when they wanted to nerf Prosecutor (which wasn't the problem, everyone was using Summoner) but instead nerfed the type so my good old reliable Firefright got a big nerf as well. But yeah even tho I have no problem wiht high impacts being as good as they are, O can't deny the fact thatv they are all damn good right now
So because creators make a video on it it’s getting nerfed? Not the fact that it’s been the no. 1 gun for a long time? 😂
They can only nerf their range, because if they nerf the damage and it takes 3 bursts to kill, nobody will use them
Personally I think zen moment is not needed for this weapon. You need the body shots to proc headseeker
i have a shiney elsies with Arrowhead/Hammer Forge, Extended/Armor Piercing, Zen/Repulsor, Headseeker/Destabilizing
Ok
@@void49534 hey alright
why r u telling us
@@n4riko cause its dope
@@n4riko lmao
Pretty sure the first shiny i got was Zen Moment/ Headseeker/Hi cal rounds/ fluted.. i have another with Arrow head..
Grape NttE goes hard!
The super its just OP!
me personally, i want under over/ headseeker for people in rifts/overshields. perfect for titans and warlock crutches.
I think the weopen is better on PC vs. Controller it's a laser on mouse.
I have my shiny with these plus Frenzy, kill clip. You don't need arrowhead.
I only have arrow head break ricochet rounds enhanced keep away enhanced head seeker and a stability mw feels bad lol the stats are off the charts
Where do you get it?
Destination -> Vanguard -> Onslaught/Onslaught: Playlist
Tip: You can talk to Zavala in the tower and apply an attunement to one of the Onslaught weapons. "Attuning to a weapon will increase the drop chance of that weapon when participating in Onslaught. Only one weapon may be attuned to at a time."
Happy farming 😴
Onslaught
Thank you both 👍🏼
Got mine with arrow ricochet zen and head with range mw 😂
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I spent the entire ITTL farming for the Shiny Groll of this gun... I came out of the event with 2 none shiny 4/5s .... Im still so upset about it :(
It was the gun I farmed the most during that period.
I eventually got the 5/5 PvP god roll (Chambered Compensator| Richocet Rounds| Zen Moment| Headseeker and Range masterwork), but I wished it was a shiny.
They will not nerf this just bring in something different.
Ngl everyone says this is op yet i never see anyone using it lol
Yeah i got 400 trials kills with like 3 weeks ago and half of the players were using it 😄
Go into trials and find out.
@@charles2183i already guilded my seal im good.
ZK GOES YEEEET, but seriously this gun is beyond fixable its the easiest way to absolutly fry a Pros players Pc while owning 2 braincells and having a monkey in your head
At least im not the only one terrible with that super 😅
Lmao, it tends to whiff at times because one is always under pressure to get kills because the super runs out so quickly.
I’ve been farming tf outta this gun and it wil not give god roll 😢
elsies is the biggest fish
I got the God Roll Elsie's at the loot chest at shaxx I was one of the first to have it
I think it differs from console to PC as I believe on console keep away is better than zen moment
@TheGhadster depends on the player and their feel more than anything zen moment is still a beast of a perk for Elsies on controller. I don't think anybody would complain with either of those perks.
How do I get a shiney if i never did hall of champion
You can't get one anymore. Only the normal version.
@@Jayel1978 where can i get normal version?
@@xxdarkslayerlord1922 from doing the onslaught node. Go and see Zavala in the tower to focus for an 'edge transit'
Then launch onslaught and have fun 😁👍
Dad rifle users unite!
How much you want to bet they end up nerfing this gun? Sad because Elsie been good for a few months😢now.😂
Everyone but me can two tap with this gun apparently. I have the god roll and can never two tap.
If you have headseeker/kill clip blast furnace it two taps with much more forgiveness than Elsie. Plus in the right circumstances it's technically better than Elsie rifle.
People sleep on the aggressive burst pulse rifle archetype. In the right hand, it's almost as deadly as high-impacts.
It really needs a NERF,also 340 pulses are not fun to use.
How many accounts do you own, most legit players have one account, but in almost every one of your vids it’s a different account. My point is either you create new accounts and grind for certain weapon roles so when you go in matches your skill rating is low, thus your against low skilled players to make it seem like the weapon is OP, however it’s all an illusion, because it’s you who are skilled and not the gun that makes it appear OP.
He's using someone else's account for this video because he doesn't have a god-roll Elsie's Rifle.
@@charlesabuah2331 Stop making excuses for this content creator, it’s not that hard to grind for a particular roll. I find it very disingenuous to use other people’s accounts, without revealing whose account you are using and what skill rating they have. It robs the end user of simulating the same results as the video implies.
me with my zen/hesdseeker and keep away/headseekee rolls heheh 😈
I hate you :(
Deadstiny 😢
I have this roll on messenger
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dk why people still watch this guy, he cried in trials when he was basically a no name in season 4.
Stop it.
It’s not that good in console lobbies. There are better weapons to use.
lol PvP doesn’t matter
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first 😁
This gun need a Nerf.
Stop just stop😂
⬇️ not first button
dude just copies every one of @SayWallahBruh's video ideas
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