Je suis fière quand je voi cette magnifique locomotive pas n importe la qu'elle la pacific 231 mon grand père maternel était mécanicien sur cette locomotives de légende. Une pensé pour lui grand homme il parlait de ça divine avec passion . Respects à tout ces grands cheminots qui aimaient leurs métiers et l heure c était l heure.
A crossing of two of my life loves - trains and symphonic music! Bravo! At Cannes in '49 no less. Think about the cameras they had to hang off the wheels of those trains!!
Les caméras "embarquées" sont très efficaces et pour l'époque ce devait être un véritable challenge. Reste l'incomparable musique d'Honneger, magistrale !
“Stanley said Pacific 231 was one of the most perfectly edited, if not the most perfectly edited films, he had ever seen. Not only that but also the way Mitry melded the cutting with Honegger’s music. He thought it was a knockout. “I’d seen the film just before going to work for Stanley and was always going on about it. He wanted to see it and I borrowed a 16mm print from the BFI.” - Anthony Frewin, assistant to Kubrick
I was in music class in the 8th grade in about 1967. The teacher played this and called a Pacific 231 " A kind of train." My friend George, also a train buff looked at me and we both raised our eyebrows at our ignoramus of a teacher.
Dommage qu' il n' y ait pas plus de commentaires en français... Ce qui dénote un intérêt manifeste de ceux qui le parlent pour la chose ferroviaire ! Ceci-dit, je suis tombé sur ce bijoux par hasard, n' étant pas un fan de vidéos... Superbe !
At least we now have got the Net so that anything happening before (whatever ideological "epoc") cannot be erased for everybody because "The Party" said so !
La pacific 231 la plus belle locomotive du monde la plus performante a tracter les trains de légende. La 231 un chef d oeuvre sur rail c etait le rêve de tout mecaniciens et chauffeurs titulaires de la conduire .
Thank you so much for this posting. I've not seen this film in oh so many years. We used to watch it at the Twin City Model Railroad Club in Saint Paul. And I had my own copy of it on 16mm sound film. I thought that I would never see again. Again thank you.
The original mono soundtrack has only been recorded on the left-hand audio channel. Would have twice the impact on stereo speakers if it been dubbed also to the right channel, which is silent. Switch your stereo playback to "mono" when viewing to get the full effect.
The last time I saw this was as a freshman in a music appreciation class at Southern Illinois University, 1962 or '63. "Pacific 231" is probably the most literal musical composition ever written. As an experiment, the piece should be heard by someone who has never encountered it before and knows nothing about it: what would such a person make of this work?
A masterpiece in the arts of film and music; sheer drama on rails - womderful ! I hope I find it with a better sound-quality though... Thanks a lot for posting this gem !
Wow! Amazing, fantastic, marvellous TECHNOLOGY! Yes, but from where we are today, crude- and irresponsible in where we reach for energy to power our movement of people and freight. Marvellous technology for that time!
10 лет назад+2
Otro emblemático ejemplo de música descriptiva en el siglo XX y muy bello acompañamiento visual.
Excelente video de la composición del poema sinfónico de Honegger (año, 1923) y llevada a la pantalla años después. Gracias a Wouter Van Belle por subir este excelente video.
Great! Großartig! Magnifique! :) Tolle visuelle Umsetzung der Musik, kongeniale Leistung! Bin ganz begeistert. Vor allem die Filmtechnik, Kamera und Schnitt, super gemacht! Danke für's Hochladen!
Si la 231 originale avait déjà cette performance, alors c'était tout à son honneur ! Le modèle revu par Chapelon, a du être BRIDE (!!!) à 130 km/h...parce que c'était la vitesse maximale des lignes de la SNCF à l'époque. Plusieurs modèles de record/d'essai ont dépassé les 200 km/h.
I have been privileged to have worked with steam locomotives and I believe that others like me realize and understand how these machines take on a life and personality all their own. The makers of this film also have that understanding and have married their film and this outstanding accompanying music to share with us the beauty and strength of these machines.
I think this is the best presentation of this iconic video. For context, try reading Stephen Spender's 1939 poem "The Express" just before watching the film. At about 2:30 min, you can hear/see/feel the first lines of the poem but, after that, Honegger and Mitry are on their own and not trying in any way to follow "The Express. And yet, at the very end, the two seem to come back together - in repose. I imagine most people who read this know that "231" is the European way of designating the locomotive classes. They just count the axles and not the wheels so a 2-3-1 over there is a 4-6-2 here. One of the nicest 4-6-2's in operation today is number 425 of the Reading, Blue Mountain, and Northern. It's called a "light" Pacific which means that it was designed from the outset for passenger work. Check it out.
Just think everything we just saw in that film is gone now ,scrapped ,tore down ,changed somehow or deceased and time moves on ,,pretty soon we will all be gone .
First of all, Leonard Bernstein's rather curious rendition of Roy Harris Third Symphony makes him a questionable yardstick for authenticity of performance. Second, this IS the score (buy it - I did) - it is just that in order to fill out some additional time, some sections are repeated twice over. Finally - Honneger conducts this film (read the credits). He obviously wrote the changes into the score himself or approved them. It doesn't matter if it doesn't follow the published version.
I have always thought that the title referred to a Pacific series 231 (or 462) locomotive. not any particular engine. Honegger wriote the music in 1923 and Pacific series locomotives were very common all over the world
Je me rappelle encore les déplacements matinaux vers le lycée (il y a bientôt 30 ans !) à l'époque les gares françaises n'étaient pas encore devenues une espèce de terrain de chasse pour fous adeptes du film "Birds of Prey" (pertes humaines incluses) et le spectacle le plus impressionnant étant de voir les BB diesels se "réveiller" en crachant le feu telles des dragons que même les effets spéciaux actuels n'arriveraient pas à simuler...UNE HEURE pour le départ d'une loco vers l'arrimage d'un train (heure pendant laquelle elle reniflait, crachait, criait, hurlait, et "lance-flamait" tout son content, bien sur)
Mr Hunter, If you get this will you please reply. Only here, and do not tag me with the REPLY feature or the + because I assure you I will find the post. I made a new circle and called it 'Questioning Minds' and checked only you in it to ward off, as you put it, "Keystone Kops" ""You seem to have attached yourself to them to attain some sad and illusory kudos. Like someone who is proud of being a member of the Keystone Kops.""
@@hugos5114 Yep. This one shown did not run away from the cutter's torch. Meanwhile, it's 2 siblings 3.1192 & 3.1123 escaped the yard being preserved. 😃
Cela ne nous rajeunit pas Petite j ai voyage dans ces trains a vapeur Quand la grosse machine arrivait je me cachais dans la robe de ma mère bisoùs Bisous😅
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Possibly the best ever piece of classical music depicting a railway locomotive. It's a classic.
Not as good as the English Coranation Scot!
A hidden gem. With marvelous film and music. The great Andre Chapelon Pacifics.
Me too. I would buy 3.1192 soon.
Fenêtre sur un passé tout proche...qui nous manque...Remarquable documentaire sur la vapeur ! Et quelle bande son !
Je suis fière quand je voi cette magnifique locomotive pas n importe la qu'elle la pacific 231 mon grand père maternel était mécanicien sur cette locomotives de légende.
Une pensé pour lui grand homme il parlait de ça divine avec passion . Respects à tout ces grands cheminots qui aimaient leurs métiers et l heure c était l heure.
A crossing of two of my life loves - trains and symphonic music! Bravo! At Cannes in '49 no less. Think about the cameras they had to hang off the wheels of those trains!!
We watched this in music class in the1960s. I could still remember some of the great shots!
Phantastisch umgesetzt. Die perfekte Pacific für Honeggers Meisterwerk! Großartiges Gesamtkunstwerk!
Les caméras "embarquées" sont très efficaces et pour l'époque ce devait être un véritable challenge. Reste l'incomparable musique d'Honneger, magistrale !
“Stanley said Pacific 231 was one of the most perfectly edited, if not the most perfectly edited films, he had ever seen. Not only that but also the way Mitry melded the cutting with Honegger’s music. He thought it was a knockout.
“I’d seen the film just before going to work for Stanley and was always going on about it. He wanted to see it and I borrowed a 16mm print from the BFI.” - Anthony Frewin, assistant to Kubrick
I don't know why but I watched this so many times as a kid. That was like 12 years ago. And right know 2024 I finally found it.
Be happy, you can enjoy
Even without the spectacular music, this film contains the finest footage of the great 231E that I've seen anywhere.
2 are now saved for posterity. It's actually a Nord Chapelon Pacific @Paul Caswell.
Beauté technique, beauté musicale, beauté cinématographique ! BRAVO!
I was in music class in the 8th grade in about 1967. The teacher played this and called a Pacific 231 " A kind of train." My friend George, also a train buff looked at me and we both raised our eyebrows at our ignoramus of a teacher.
Dommage qu' il n' y ait pas plus de commentaires en français... Ce qui dénote un intérêt manifeste de ceux qui le parlent pour la chose ferroviaire !
Ceci-dit, je suis tombé sur ce bijoux par hasard, n' étant pas un fan de vidéos...
Superbe !
C quoi. Un film ou un documentaire
I was studying at the Alliance Francaise in Paris when Honneger died. TV news played this film as a tribute.
this was watched in the 60s in School.. Im in 2020 and have to listen to this
me too
Me too
same :))
At least we now have got the Net so that anything happening before (whatever ideological "epoc") cannot be erased for everybody because "The Party" said so !
fantastische film, fantastische muziek, dank!
One of the most fascinatiing pieces of music, inspired by one of the best steam locomotives. Thanks!
La pacific 231 la plus belle locomotive du monde la plus performante a tracter les trains de légende. La 231 un chef d oeuvre sur rail c etait le rêve de tout mecaniciens et chauffeurs titulaires de la conduire .
Thank you so much for this posting. I've not seen this film in oh so many years. We used to watch it at the Twin City Model Railroad Club in Saint Paul. And I had my own copy of it on 16mm sound film. I thought that I would never see again. Again thank you.
The Old Man told me about this years ago. What an utterly fantastic piece of cinema.
Des machines et des hommes qui ne sont maintenant plus de ce monde. Nostalgie.
Hon hon oui oui baguette
Extraordinaires prises de vue !
A great film, fantastic locomotives and the music is fab
The original mono soundtrack has only been recorded on the left-hand audio channel. Would have twice the impact on stereo speakers if it been dubbed also to the right channel, which is silent. Switch your stereo playback to "mono" when viewing to get the full effect.
The last time I saw this was as a freshman in a music appreciation class at Southern Illinois University, 1962 or '63. "Pacific 231" is probably the most literal musical composition ever written. As an experiment, the piece should be heard by someone who has never encountered it before and knows nothing about it: what would such a person make of this work?
Simply wonderful.
A masterpiece in the arts of film and music; sheer drama on rails - womderful !
I hope I find it with a better sound-quality though...
Thanks a lot for posting this gem !
Filmé dune façon très moderne, j'aime ce montage très dynamique, sans paroles ni commentaires, rythmé par la musique. Pas étonné de cette récompense.
This piece is mentioned in Dr. Oliver Sachs' book "Musicophilia" about the neurology and psychology of music.
Wow! Amazing, fantastic, marvellous TECHNOLOGY! Yes, but from where we are today, crude- and irresponsible in where we reach for energy to power our movement of people and freight. Marvellous technology for that time!
Otro emblemático ejemplo de música descriptiva en el siglo XX y muy bello acompañamiento visual.
Excelente video de la composición del poema sinfónico de Honegger (año, 1923) y llevada a la pantalla años después. Gracias a Wouter Van Belle por subir este excelente video.
+José Manuel Ballesteros Peralta t ez mek
A.Honegger : 2:40 !
Great! Großartig! Magnifique! :) Tolle visuelle Umsetzung der Musik, kongeniale Leistung! Bin ganz begeistert. Vor allem die Filmtechnik, Kamera und Schnitt, super gemacht! Danke für's Hochladen!
Wunderschön! Wie ich die Dampflokomotiven liebe!!!
Elle se déplacer à 120 km/h de moyenne ! Impressionnantes images et musique appropriée !!
Si la 231 originale avait déjà cette performance, alors c'était tout à son honneur ! Le modèle revu par Chapelon, a du être BRIDE (!!!) à 130 km/h...parce que c'était la vitesse maximale des lignes de la SNCF à l'époque. Plusieurs modèles de record/d'essai ont dépassé les 200 km/h.
Great, the end with the breathing of the locomotive`s air pump...it seems to belong to the movie!
wooooooooow!!!!! this is amazing!!! the best interpretation ever!!!
2020г. карантин и дистанционное обучение,задание по музыке привет)
qu'elles belles prises de vues pour cette loco bravo et le musique vas bien avec
Very impressive!
Es una gran producción para una música muy buena!!!
I have been privileged to have worked with steam locomotives and I believe that others like me realize and understand how these machines take on a life and personality all their own. The makers of this film also have that understanding and have married their film and this outstanding accompanying music to share with us the beauty and strength of these machines.
I think this is the best presentation of this iconic video. For context, try reading Stephen Spender's 1939 poem "The Express" just before watching the film. At about 2:30 min, you can hear/see/feel the first lines of the poem but, after that, Honegger and Mitry are on their own and not trying in any way to follow "The Express. And yet, at the very end, the two seem to come back together - in repose. I imagine most people who read this know that "231" is the European way of designating the locomotive classes. They just count the axles and not the wheels so a 2-3-1 over there is a 4-6-2 here. One of the nicest 4-6-2's in operation today is number 425 of the Reading, Blue Mountain, and Northern. It's called a "light" Pacific which means that it was designed from the outset for passenger work. Check it out.
And the oscar goes to... The train. :/
It's a great song love it
This is definitely one of the movies of all time
Souvenirs,souvenirs.J'avais 6 ans.
Just think everything we just saw in that film is gone now ,scrapped ,tore down ,changed somehow or deceased and time moves on ,,pretty soon we will all be gone .
Which yet survives
Stamped on these lifeless things
AMAZING editing!
Magnifique!!!
Im 98 Yers old
Merveilleux!
+Pierre Bouchard ta gueule
tg
+AXTYR tg
+noah posay ptn noah t'as pas vie..
+Jean prd lol
First of all, Leonard Bernstein's rather curious rendition of Roy Harris Third Symphony makes him a questionable yardstick for authenticity of performance.
Second, this IS the score (buy it - I did) - it is just that in order to fill out some additional time, some sections are repeated twice over.
Finally - Honneger conducts this film (read the credits). He obviously wrote the changes into the score himself or approved them. It doesn't matter if it doesn't follow the published version.
Good film. Interesting.
I wonder if John Williams had seen this film before a young Steven Spielberg asked him to score a film about a shark…
I'm Using this for the memorabilia video.
As far as I remember it's :
L'orchestre de la Suisse Romande.
You are correct. I should have said the largest mass produced locomotive.
un déni générique!
I have always thought that the title referred to a Pacific series 231 (or 462) locomotive. not any particular engine. Honegger wriote the music in 1923 and Pacific series locomotives were very common all over the world
Indeed, but from Mitry's standpoint the best representation of pacifics he had were these
Is it just me or one of the main riffs sound like a 2-3-1 wheel arrangement passing over an unequal rail joint...
L'ambiance ! 🚂
Great !
+A. Penkina tg t ez
Super song
In Flik's Musical Adventure At Disney's Animal Kingdom, scene 3:15 - 3:17 is shown.
Gives a feeling of motion. Enough to throw up.
A une époque où prendre le train faisait rêver !
+Pierre Quideau tg t ez
Je me rappelle encore les déplacements matinaux vers le lycée (il y a bientôt 30 ans !) à l'époque les gares françaises n'étaient pas encore devenues une espèce de terrain de chasse pour fous adeptes du film "Birds of Prey" (pertes humaines incluses) et le spectacle le plus impressionnant étant de voir les BB diesels se "réveiller" en crachant le feu telles des dragons que même les effets spéciaux actuels n'arriveraient pas à simuler...UNE HEURE pour le départ d'une loco vers l'arrimage d'un train (heure pendant laquelle elle reniflait, crachait, criait, hurlait, et "lance-flamait" tout son content, bien sur)
Why I watch this till the end ? But enjoyed
Because of the music? Pacific 231 was a huge success and inspired Prokofiev to do his symphony 2
magnifique
Looks like a Paris-Orleans 3500 rebuilt by Chapelon.
It's actually a Nord Pacific. The bad news is that this one's scrapped. The good thing is that 2 survived.
I'll put the credit of this video.
The Pacific 231 (or 462 as it is known here in the U.S. ) was the largest locomotive built.
The Big Boy, the 241, the Chapelon 242 A1 were all bigger.
cool
2:45 Lil' shortcut to the music! :)
2:45
Le film me donne le tournis, mais la 231 était elle si bien que ça ? Je pense plutôt à un film publicitaire.
les 231 E étaient en effet de très bonnes machines, et les meilleures Pacific que la France a connu.
I wish the audio could be remastered…the music is a half-step too high.
manifique!
i only hear it on the left tho :/
Could anyone tell me how can I find Mitry's film called 'Images pour Debusy'?? Was it lost or does it still exists?
L'antécédent "classique" au Trans Europe Express de Kraftwerk, en somme...
I think I need a cigarette ;)
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@JessicaFaerosi Well, B is for Bad.
2:41
Metric montage or ritmic?
OK, the shots of the trains are great, but what happened to the goddam music?
Mr Hunter, If you get this will you please reply. Only here, and do not tag me with the REPLY feature or the + because I assure you I will find the post. I made a new circle and called it 'Questioning Minds' and checked only you in it to ward off, as you put it, "Keystone Kops"
""You seem to have attached yourself to them to attain some sad and illusory kudos. Like someone who is proud of being a member of the Keystone Kops.""
Music for psycho trailer , poor Pacific ...
Now scrapped.
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@Oranienschule
Music????
appear nosebleed
6:30
Unless it's Nord.
they both are the same type of locomotive, yes.
@@hugos5114 Yep. This one shown did not run away from the cutter's torch. Meanwhile, it's 2 siblings 3.1192 & 3.1123 escaped the yard being preserved. 😃
The film is ten times better than the music which has no shape at all and forces the movie to reach an abrupt end.
Preciós
Cela ne nous rajeunit pas
Petite j ai voyage dans ces trains a vapeur
Quand la grosse machine arrivait je me cachais dans la robe de ma mère bisoùs
Bisous😅
Félicitations pour ce super reportage , c'était un rapide Paris Lille ?
Deutschland
Diese sehr schön oh yeah nahui