I'd love to see Tyrande in LoL. What makes her special imo is that she is a support that requires positioning and kiting like an adc but still needs to accommodate her teams needs. In other words she needs to have awareness of both teams at the same time with the mechanical execution of an adc.
There's actually a fair few like that in HotS. One of the reasons I loved playing Lili so much was because none of her abilities required any targeting but serpent, so I could focus 100% on positioning and keeping on autoattacking.
@@kevingriffith6011 well Lili also technically had auto targeting on her Q in a radius around her, but since it would heal the ally with the least % of health in a radius you would have to actually position yourself to heal the person you wanted since you couldnt actually pick who you healed
Man i loved HotS. Some other notable heroes are ChoGal which is a tank mage controlled by 2 players. Theres also the lost vikings which was one person controlling 3 heroes. It really tested your RTS micro skills.
There's also Rexxar, who is probably the best pet character in any moba that I've played. (I have not played Dota, and I wouldn't doubt that there's one there that's just as interesting). Also Deathwing, a raid boss character who can't be targetted by his own allies' abilities... and Nazeebo, who I'm 99% sure that Rework Yorick got all of his kit but his Q from.
@kevingriffith6011 yeah rexxar was very cool. Dota does have a lot of characters where you micro manage characters but rexxar was cool because of the ease of use. More like controlling one character with 2 hit boxes.
@@brian3634 I kinda blame the item system, to be honest. How could you make Murky in a game where he could buy Heartsteel and Warmog's? Abathur is a different beast entirely because he just... fundamentally could not work in the fixed top-mid-bot-jungle-ADC setup with strict map control enforced by towers.
@@kevingriffith6011 yeah hots's Talent system made the game so much easier to balance and allowed characters to be far different from eachother cause no character could utilize other's upgrades, you essentially had True individial balancing, something League simply cannot have because of items and runes, it also stopped characters from covering their class's weakness by buying items since in general no marksmen had access to durability upgrades and so on
I miss Abathur. I had 71% winrate on him on nearly 10,000 games, and his average winrate was like 43% lmao. Infinite skill ceiling. Unfortunately Yuumi does NOT scratch the itch, I played him for the macro.
The biggest differences are that Yuumi is encouraged to sit on one person and never move, and is perfectly safe on her host. Abathur, on the other hand, has to be everywhere on the map all at once, don't forget your mines, oh and you should position further forward so that you can soak EXP and your locusts can do more work... Oh and also you're an incredibly vulnerable worm creature with no way to defend yourself when the enemy finds you. Good luck!
I was a GM Abathur main who was absolutely stoked when I saw Yuumi for the first time, but I had largely the same feeling as you. She just isn't the same. That said, I think pre-rework Yuumi was much closer than her current iteration. The best friend mechanic killed all skill expression that the character had and just makes you an AFK shield bot who just passively gives stats.
orphea is one of the coolest characters ever, wouldf love to see a kit like hers in league, a kiting mage with sustain kinda like ahri but more auto focused
@@willo_wisp3798 i got into playing Gwen just because the feeling of dancing around with quick dashes and precision skillshots while healing yourself felt so much like Orphea
@@Theoriginalmistwalker true, i hadnt thought about that. gwen's rlly cool but i struggle to play characters without hard cc.(crushjing jaws my beloved) tbh i just miss everfrost(or even bring back glp please) cause it felt really nice on her to have an item that lets you be relevant at 1 item.
@@willo_wisp3798 as a gwen main you can also just run Exhaust, Gwen can afford to not run flash so i always bring along a fighting summ + TP, Ghost, Ignite, Exhaust and Barrier are all good
DotA is still the only MOBA I've ever played where I recieved the advice "don't die"... not "play safe" not "stay under tower" just "don't die"... OK, how exactly?
In those cases you literally leave lane and farm jg(boring af but that's what cores have to do sometimes). Game doesn't have dedicated jg so it's generally free space when newer.
It's kinda funny since dota1 was the game you want to die at times. Lanes are long, no boots with a mana bar good enough for only 2 spell rotations. Respawing is the quicker option over walking back to base
Abathur: Requires incredible macro in order to utilize correctly. Otherwise, you turn into a huge liability for your team. Yuumi: Haha cat hat go brrrr
Honeslty Yuumi is closer to Gall than Abathur. The difference being that Gall can only be attached to Cho and is way less annoying to deal with because of that.
Hey, mind if I ask where you find these clips? I checked August's twitch and he streamed 4 days ago but his last VOD was 12 days ago so I assume his past broadcasts are off
Funny enough it was Valve with TF2 that taught me passives and global auras that you can’t see are not fun to play against. Honestly Riot could really learn a lot from Valve since they already code like Valve.
Valve’s code is fucking great nowadays lol. Old games are old games, they’re only going to put so many resources into going back and cleaning up a game they don’t really care about anymore. League doesn’t get that excuse.
@@Wildcat12Yea I agree current day Valve are “masters of their craft” I was just making a jab at Riot at Old Valves expense. Riot is a current day huge gaming company they shouldn’t be comparable to early Valve they should be well past it we realistically shouldn’t have the absolute insane level of bugs that we do in League, I could excuse their bugs since they keep adding so much new content so fast to their game (like new skins champs and items) but that’s what’s causing there to be more new bugs popping up faster than old bugs can be fixed.
@@Scrap_That's due to the engine being old and made with little finances and then never bothering to rewrite it. The game is less or more on life support and they don't seem to think it would be profitable.
@@Scrap_ good luck convincing higher ups to call in engineers to fix the engine when stuff isn't critically broken lol, they'll do anything to save as much money as possible
Well, not trying to be insensitive but 3:05 explains a lot about Riot's overbearing attitude towards toxicity, over communication. That and obvious financial incentive, which I still believe being the main issue.
I don't know if it changed since I played, but riki was so stupid. Invisible except when attacking, right? You know what you're doing when you're stunned? Not attacking! So you'd storm bolt the little shit and he'd literally disappear from under your sword while you're hitting him.
He has always been one of the knowledge check noob stomp characters. Did you or the support buy detection? No? Guess he gets to do much more than he should.
@@kf532 but then he does nothing. He either is an obnoxious, untouchable pub stomp or completely useless against players that buy one item. Neither of those are good places for a hero to be, and there is no in between.
@@someguy1ification I mean he got picked an ok amount last TI. Even when ppl buy detection he can still function enough. It's not like his WR nosedives to 45 in stable patches and he gets some(not a lot but better than unpicked unbanned) attention in pro too. His design isn't bad enough to where when one player buys dust there isn't anything he can do both sides have options.
@@kf532 then he's genuinely changed a lot since dota 1. His kit was... A passive that made him do more damage with his autos from behind his target based on his agi, so if you were attacking him it didn't do anything (except the one attack he got off of the move I'm gonna list next) and if he built tanky he did no damage, an offensive-only blink (so he couldn't really get away using it unless there was a specifically positioned creep to jump to), the invis, and then... Was he the one with the stupid death ward? That was powerful, really short range though, without invis he can't get in range to cast it. Like, gem makes 3/4 of his kit completely nonfunctional, and I genuinely don't remember if the remaining piece was affected too. Gem made him a squishy autoattacker with no damage or defense or even much target access (blink strike range was ok but not great, iirc)
@@someguy1ification oh from dota 1 for sure. Rn iirc he has aoe silence/slow he can put on the ground and his s3 is an AOE where he attacks people in an area with a slight blink b4 the start of it he also doesnt exist on the map during this. His backstab and invis are put together on his ult and his blink to ally/enemy is roughly the same.
I'd love to see Tyrande in LoL. What makes her special imo is that she is a support that requires positioning and kiting like an adc but still needs to accommodate her teams needs. In other words she needs to have awareness of both teams at the same time with the mechanical execution of an adc.
There's actually a fair few like that in HotS. One of the reasons I loved playing Lili so much was because none of her abilities required any targeting but serpent, so I could focus 100% on positioning and keeping on autoattacking.
@@kevingriffith6011 well Lili also technically had auto targeting on her Q in a radius around her, but since it would heal the ally with the least % of health in a radius you would have to actually position yourself to heal the person you wanted since you couldnt actually pick who you healed
Man i loved HotS. Some other notable heroes are ChoGal which is a tank mage controlled by 2 players. Theres also the lost vikings which was one person controlling 3 heroes. It really tested your RTS micro skills.
There's also Rexxar, who is probably the best pet character in any moba that I've played. (I have not played Dota, and I wouldn't doubt that there's one there that's just as interesting). Also Deathwing, a raid boss character who can't be targetted by his own allies' abilities... and Nazeebo, who I'm 99% sure that Rework Yorick got all of his kit but his Q from.
@kevingriffith6011 yeah rexxar was very cool. Dota does have a lot of characters where you micro manage characters but rexxar was cool because of the ease of use. More like controlling one character with 2 hit boxes.
@@brian3634 I kinda blame the item system, to be honest. How could you make Murky in a game where he could buy Heartsteel and Warmog's?
Abathur is a different beast entirely because he just... fundamentally could not work in the fixed top-mid-bot-jungle-ADC setup with strict map control enforced by towers.
@kevingriffith6011 yeah all league characters could be in hots but not all hots in league
@@kevingriffith6011 yeah hots's Talent system made the game so much easier to balance and allowed characters to be far different from eachother cause no character could utilize other's upgrades, you essentially had True individial balancing, something League simply cannot have because of items and runes, it also stopped characters from covering their class's weakness by buying items since in general no marksmen had access to durability upgrades and so on
Dota old heads have the biggest unwarranted egos I'd say it's worse than league because they have old game hipster ego attached to it.
100% true xd
I miss Abathur. I had 71% winrate on him on nearly 10,000 games, and his average winrate was like 43% lmao. Infinite skill ceiling. Unfortunately Yuumi does NOT scratch the itch, I played him for the macro.
The biggest differences are that Yuumi is encouraged to sit on one person and never move, and is perfectly safe on her host. Abathur, on the other hand, has to be everywhere on the map all at once, don't forget your mines, oh and you should position further forward so that you can soak EXP and your locusts can do more work... Oh and also you're an incredibly vulnerable worm creature with no way to defend yourself when the enemy finds you. Good luck!
I was a GM Abathur main who was absolutely stoked when I saw Yuumi for the first time, but I had largely the same feeling as you. She just isn't the same. That said, I think pre-rework Yuumi was much closer than her current iteration. The best friend mechanic killed all skill expression that the character had and just makes you an AFK shield bot who just passively gives stats.
@@kevingriffith6011 a very important part is the duration on the locus kinda tell the enemy where u are
Orphea was hands down the character I enjoyed the most through all mobas
orphea is one of the coolest characters ever, wouldf love to see a kit like hers in league, a kiting mage with sustain kinda like ahri but more auto focused
100% agreed
@@willo_wisp3798 i got into playing Gwen just because the feeling of dancing around with quick dashes and precision skillshots while healing yourself felt so much like Orphea
@@Theoriginalmistwalker true, i hadnt thought about that. gwen's rlly cool but i struggle to play characters without hard cc.(crushjing jaws my beloved) tbh i just miss everfrost(or even bring back glp please) cause it felt really nice on her to have an item that lets you be relevant at 1 item.
@@willo_wisp3798 as a gwen main you can also just run Exhaust, Gwen can afford to not run flash so i always bring along a fighting summ + TP, Ghost, Ignite, Exhaust and Barrier are all good
Ive always wished league had a timbersaw equivalent but it never happened
3:05 well that one aged like fine milk XD
DotA is still the only MOBA I've ever played where I recieved the advice "don't die"... not "play safe" not "stay under tower" just "don't die"...
OK, how exactly?
In those cases you literally leave lane and farm jg(boring af but that's what cores have to do sometimes). Game doesn't have dedicated jg so it's generally free space when newer.
Just win. You might not play a lot. I hear "stop dying" or so daily.
Just win. You might not play a lot. I hear "stop dying" or so daily.
It's kinda funny since dota1 was the game you want to die at times. Lanes are long, no boots with a mana bar good enough for only 2 spell rotations. Respawing is the quicker option over walking back to base
Abathur: Requires incredible macro in order to utilize correctly. Otherwise, you turn into a huge liability for your team.
Yuumi: Haha cat hat go brrrr
Honeslty Yuumi is closer to Gall than Abathur. The difference being that Gall can only be attached to Cho and is way less annoying to deal with because of that.
@@kevingriffith6011 That's actually a really solid description of Yuumi post rework. They turned her into pesudo-Gall instead of pesudo-Abathur.
Hey, mind if I ask where you find these clips? I checked August's twitch and he streamed 4 days ago but his last VOD was 12 days ago so I assume his past broadcasts are off
August doesn't save many of his VODs
Probably won't find too many other channels with them tragically
@@HeWhoQuacksss gotcha, out of curiosity, do you record august’s clips yourself then?
Funny enough it was Valve with TF2 that taught me passives and global auras that you can’t see are not fun to play against. Honestly Riot could really learn a lot from Valve since they already code like Valve.
Valve’s code is fucking great nowadays lol. Old games are old games, they’re only going to put so many resources into going back and cleaning up a game they don’t really care about anymore. League doesn’t get that excuse.
@@Wildcat12Yea I agree current day Valve are “masters of their craft” I was just making a jab at Riot at Old Valves expense. Riot is a current day huge gaming company they shouldn’t be comparable to early Valve they should be well past it we realistically shouldn’t have the absolute insane level of bugs that we do in League, I could excuse their bugs since they keep adding so much new content so fast to their game (like new skins champs and items) but that’s what’s causing there to be more new bugs popping up faster than old bugs can be fixed.
@@Scrap_That's due to the engine being old and made with little finances and then never bothering to rewrite it. The game is less or more on life support and they don't seem to think it would be profitable.
@@Scrap_ good luck convincing higher ups to call in engineers to fix the engine when stuff isn't critically broken lol, they'll do anything to save as much money as possible
Man Riki my beloved shits so funny when you suddenly appear and the guy cant do shit lmao
That’s explain how you reworked Evelyn
HoN not mentioned :(
Bro where is the manaburn?
I don’t think Eternal Return (a Battle Royale MOBA) has a Blitzcrank hook.
But Meat hook is alot longer thant blitz
Well, not trying to be insensitive but 3:05 explains a lot about Riot's overbearing attitude towards toxicity, over communication. That and obvious financial incentive, which I still believe being the main issue.
4:15 Im sorry but thats current league
I don't know if it changed since I played, but riki was so stupid. Invisible except when attacking, right?
You know what you're doing when you're stunned? Not attacking! So you'd storm bolt the little shit and he'd literally disappear from under your sword while you're hitting him.
He has always been one of the knowledge check noob stomp characters. Did you or the support buy detection? No? Guess he gets to do much more than he should.
@@kf532 but then he does nothing. He either is an obnoxious, untouchable pub stomp or completely useless against players that buy one item. Neither of those are good places for a hero to be, and there is no in between.
@@someguy1ification I mean he got picked an ok amount last TI. Even when ppl buy detection he can still function enough. It's not like his WR nosedives to 45 in stable patches and he gets some(not a lot but better than unpicked unbanned) attention in pro too. His design isn't bad enough to where when one player buys dust there isn't anything he can do both sides have options.
@@kf532 then he's genuinely changed a lot since dota 1. His kit was... A passive that made him do more damage with his autos from behind his target based on his agi, so if you were attacking him it didn't do anything (except the one attack he got off of the move I'm gonna list next) and if he built tanky he did no damage, an offensive-only blink (so he couldn't really get away using it unless there was a specifically positioned creep to jump to), the invis, and then... Was he the one with the stupid death ward? That was powerful, really short range though, without invis he can't get in range to cast it.
Like, gem makes 3/4 of his kit completely nonfunctional, and I genuinely don't remember if the remaining piece was affected too. Gem made him a squishy autoattacker with no damage or defense or even much target access (blink strike range was ok but not great, iirc)
@@someguy1ification oh from dota 1 for sure. Rn iirc he has aoe silence/slow he can put on the ground and his s3 is an AOE where he attacks people in an area with a slight blink b4 the start of it he also doesnt exist on the map during this. His backstab and invis are put together on his ult and his blink to ally/enemy is roughly the same.