Darkchild: Sony's War with Michael Jackson Over Publishing Held Back 'Invincible' (Part 19)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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In this clip, Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins spoke about working on Michael Jackson's 'Invincible' album and producing the hit track "Rock My World." Darkchild and Vlad discussed how Michael revolutionized music videos. Jerkins also recounted how Michael recorded in the booth and where he ranks on his all-time list of male vocalists.
You Rock My World is FIRE. The intro, the beat, everything is perfect on that song. Certified Classic.
Agreed 100%! And for some reason the main pop radio station in my city almost never played it. Didn't make sense.
The video is amazing too. Chris Tucker is hilarious
one of my favourite songs of all time
🔥🔥 yep the beat its sick....all u need is the intro an ur grooving
Amen
Michael Jackson was the man. You can't take the contribution, ability or talent away from him.
Why would that even need to be said? Lol. We ain’t talking about Kevin Hart. Lol.
MJ is the best performer of all time. Biggest trend setter of our lifetime. Lol.
@@TrunxKraft3000 I had to say it just in case people forgot hahaha
Can you take $400 million in debt away? How about the Neverland Ranch employees who had to file a complaint with the State of California to get the four months wages they legally earned that Jackson didn't pay? The court ordered Jackson to pay and he did a week later but waiting 17 weeks for your check and people have families to feed, rent to pay, bills to pay, car notes to pay and this Wacko Jacko takes his kids to Bahrain. That's not a man, that's a bitch.
@Prince Donn coming from a biatch himself!! You want to bad mouth the man that you absolutely knew nothing about but what the media has said!!! Whether that was true or not, he did what he could!! And he took his kids out of the states coz of ppl like you downing him, for your own personal issues, why?!! Maybe because you hate yourself or never been loved before, to try to call him out his name!! He didn't do shit to you!! If you don't like him, fine, and that would be your opinion! But, then you want to drag him out like a bitch that YOU are!!!
@@TrunxKraft3000 HOah hoah hoha
“Unbreakable” is one of MJ’s best songs ever
No it isn’t 😂
I agree it's crazy tight, the production the vocals 🔥🔥
@@charlesreed5506 yes it is
@@charlesreed5506 to u
@@charlesreed5506 hey it’s a fire song
Don’t sleep on Invincible! Underrated
True
Whatever happens... WHATEVER HAPPENS
@@dpaint3702 l love that too, whatever happens. I love Butterfly too.
Break of dawn is a great song to. I was 20 years old when invincible came out and it was so ahead of it’s time. Heartbreaker sounded crazy in a good way.
So true! I was a teenager when I bought Invincible( blue cover) from the record store.
Michael gave his everything to his art. How dare they try to erase it. He deserved respect. The allegations against him are false. Stop supporting those crooks & support real victims instead.
Of course he did. They took his kindness toward children and used it against him.
Because he was black powerful celebrity . America is racist
@@coolmortal2916 Yes, everything is because racism.
@@colly7963 not everything just the things that are. Especially since Mottola was known to be quite a bigot. I know it pains you to see people complain about racism. They should just shut up and take it, right?
@@kixinmaddick7424 Don't put words in my mouth, especially since the post I was replying to was deleted, so you have no context to make your assumptions. I think your comment is a reflection of your bias, not mine.
6 or 7 million is a career high for everyone else 🥴
Absolutely, I remember reading how Craig David at that time sold a few million records and it was considered a huge success around Europe while at the same time they were writing about how Invincible sold many more albums and was said to have flopped..
Artist can't even sell that much today
@@lilkeenan cause people stream music more
That was in 2002...now its over 13million world wide
@@symph1744 WoW
"Invincible" is a very underrated album...I loved it and still do!!!
I remember when i bought the album
I agree CarlosNelson. Invincible is a great album.
Off The Wall 2.0
My all time favorite album period
Let's be real about it. A Black man OWNED the Beatles and Elvis catalogues. MJ was the the biggest ever and he owned the other icons music. There was NO REASON for his estate to sell the atv catalogue back considering his estate was out of debt. That only leads more to the thought that they got rid of him.
I hate that they sold that catalog back to Sony. Michael died to hold onto that catalog only for his lawyers to sell it. It was worth more to his family if they had kept it.
@@reneehicks4629 exactly!!!
They couldn't wait to sell it back to Sony. Going against Mike's wishes.
@@reneehicks4629Michael didn’t own the Elvis catalog. He married Elvis’s daughter to try and broker a deal but Priscilla Presley told her daughter that she should be very careful especially since Priscilla was against her daughters’ marriage to Michael.
Nicolas Cage married her to get his hands on memorabilia when she refuse to they divorced within days.
Michael was a real entertainer! Not only on stage but also in the studio! That’s why we still enjoy his songs till this day and till the year 2400 ✨✨❤️
Up!!
What's up with 2400?🤗😎
Also, sadly.. 3T's music career was over due to the Sony beef because 3T was signed to Michaels label and Sony was planning to not promote 3T either.. they just started and had some solid success in Europe, could have easily grown into the successes that N Sync or The backstreet boys had. In fact, 3T is still sitting on an album recorded way back in the day that Michael helped them produce.
3T was very talented. TJ is still putting out great music. So is Taryll.
Yep. 3T was crazy talented. Vocally knock N-sync and back street out the park. An do love those groups but 3T 🔥. They never got a fair chance shame
He called Tony Mottola a racist devil,that says it all. The same dude bought his catalog when he died smh lol
Listen to whatever happens, you can hear mike clapping in the background you can tell his energy was high af.
Mottola was married to Mariah Carey, he control her. Ugly marriage. Michael own half of Sony and Mottola was really mad about that. I believe some of these guys were behind Leaving Neverland.
Yes I can't believe that people do not know anything about this FEUD. He was actually going to OPEN UP THE INDUSTRY. Imagine.. Imagine
We all need to play music together... we can be different together..
Mottola and Lufti
Tommy day is coming b/c karma doesn't skip bo one.
Sony wanted to buy MJ out of his 50% ownership of Sony music / ATV publishing. But Michael did not want to sell. So Sony made sure that the price tag on recording the Invincible album would be substantially high to put Michael in debt. The bill to record the Invincible album was close to 30 million dollars. By not promoting the album Michael would have had to pay all that money back out of his own pockets. That's why Mj started to rebel against Sony calling Tommy Motola the devil etc. Michael did not sell to Sony to compensate the debt but instead he took a loan on the catalogue using it as an asset. That's why in some speeches you'll hear Michael say he is a free agent. Basically meaning his contract with Sony finally ended owning half of Sony. That's where the jealousy and friction started.
And the big guns in the industry plotting to destroy and ultimately killing him!!
Yep the 2003 video is where he talks about it with him on stage
@@MauricioKing23 The very same year that the Martin Bashir spectacle went south and the second child abuse allegations surfaced!! Coincidence?? I think not!!!
@@alistairwharton1559 I agree
@@alistairwharton1559 also not a coincidence that the Sony protests occurred during the time the Bashir special was filmed but never made it into the special.
Love how dark child gives the real truth about MJ! The true KING!!!
I heard back in 2002 that Michael definately wanted "Unbreakable" as his first single off Invincible and that the short film for that was already planned starring Mel Gibson
loool yeah :o in space, with ILM digital production (george Lucas)
Oh dayum.
Yes that is correct he was going to do a stut jump off a building in a custom and the pieces would form Michael again MJ had big dreams for that album he wanted butterflies to be the 1st single Sony would not do it then he wanted unbreakable next and THEN you rock my world he knew you rock my world was a number 1 but the other 2 he wanted out on single and Sony was shooting him down every way they could they even degrade him by asking to puddy his nose!!!! It's all true
I loved the Invincible album. Butterflies was the cut!
Odd backstory behind that song, though....
@@PissedOffKristov yea he got the song from floetry they made it first and he was like I want that lol
@@danieltodd76 Did you see the interview where he says how he got the inspiration for the lyrics?
@@PissedOffKristov no I haven’t but I will look it up lol what’s it under
Shout out to Floetry for Butterflies!
It don’t matter, MJ could put out an album with no marketing and still hit them numbers 💁🏾♀️
The what IFs on the Invincible album Are crazy astronomical . Michael's vision would have been so dope on the remixes, on the videos. Every Artist of every genre always waited for Michael to come out with new album because they knew the The game was about to change the swag was about to change they waited for the fashion the videos what new dance moves what kind of sound is Michael was always ahead of the game With full Passion.
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Rock My World Remix was Jay-Z
@Dominique Jones it wasn't promoted, neither was butterflies remix ft eve. but the urban radio stations in chicago and la played it heavily however the whole album wasn't promoted, period, Sony the idiots, what a shame!
darkchild is an R and B genius. He ruled the early 2000s with his collaboration with many artists.
he also did a lot of music for empire tv show, i read credits. im an inquiring mind. i need to know who did what and such.
You can't give the performance he gave on You Rock My World and not be spazzing in the booth like Rodney described. His energy was off the charts in that song.
Invincible is a underrated album. Easily the greatest album of the 2000s
Invincible AND you rock my world are classics ... and they’ve aged well ... he was done such a disservice with the lack of promotion and also the fact that for almost a decade at that time there was a real mission to destroy him ... to sell 6 million 40 years into a career and after so much scrutiny and so many attempts to ruin his career and life ... I don’t think there’s anything not to be proud of
Fans were truly robbed of the Invincible Era's Potential.
MJ said Tommy was a "devil" and racist. I wish off the wall, thriller, and invincible had their own tours like bad, dangerous, and history even though he "hated" touring lol
Same same!
He was apart of the Jacksons at that time during Off The Wall and Thriller. He was already touring on the Jacksons Destiny tour, so when OTW came out they added the singles to it. Also instead of a Thriller tour he did Victory. So it will be great if the Jackson's estate release the Destiny and Victory tours, but I don't believe that will happen because the estate will have to negotiate with the brothers. The possibility of an Invincible tour was slim because of the Sony's feud, 9/11 and Mike not wanting to tour as extensively as before.
@@sweetangelplus Yes "The Triumph" tour included Off the Wall ,and Triumph too. This is the tour where MJ really learned and groomed his style for the later tours. I think some of the reasons you mentioned are why the "Triumph Tour " has never been fully released. You can see bit and pieces of it here on RUclips,but not the complete tour, which is strange because the 'Jacksons Live" double album, which I had when it was released back in 1980, was from the "Triumph Tour."
@@sweetangelplus there's some footage of those tours on here but yeah man, still wish those albums had their own respective tour especially OTW because that album was a prelude to Thriller
The Victory Tour in 1984 had a lot of Thriller in it
All of the songs that Rodney produced on Invincible are my favorites on the album. His production is crazy!!! It’s like Timbaland meets Daft Punk. He has a way giving soul to technology or find the soul within it.
Heartbreaker has to be my favorite.
Put Luther Vandross vocals in that top 5. Not sure why mother5%$#$#$ dont mention him.
Me either
Definitely. Luther might be top 3 to yell you the truth.
Facts Luther and Marvin in my top 3
People love Luther and think he’s amazing but his style of singing may not be everyone’s favorite.
Luther was dope. Johnny Gill had serious chops too...check out his song "Maybe"
Aye he mentioned my uncle Jackie Wilson!!! Shout out to him!!!
Respect to your uncle 🙏.. one of the great pioneers. MJ looked up to him.
Awesome
Jackie Wilson is everything he NEEDS a Bio opic
@@hupyt definitely. He was an amazing performer and his personal life was a dumpster fire.
I wish more people can understand that Jackie Wilson was the greatest voice to sing on a microphone PERIOD he had the range, power, melody, versatility, falsetto and he could sing anything (opera, ballad, soul, country, gospel, funk & disco) anybody reading this GO CHECK HIM OUT
Noone will ever come close to been as famous as Michael Jackson!
Reminder that Butterflies and You Rock My World entered the Top 20 and Top 10 of the Hot 100 based on Radio airplay alone. Physical releases would have guaranteed him number ones in the 00s. Pure naked sabotage.
Dont sleep on Jermaine. Jermaine could sing his ass off too. I saw The Jacksons in like 2012 live and Jermaine did all the leads and dancing and was great. The whole show was great. You could see them dudes were trained elite performers
Loved the Invincible album! Especially "Whatever Happens"
Me too, love that song.
There is DEFINITELY something to what he is saying. When You Rock My World came out I was working a job that played our main Top 40 pop Station all day. The week the song dropped, they played it occasionally. By week 2 they almost completely stopped playing it. They literally never put it on "by request" and it never hit their top 10 requested list. That song was jamming! I never believed that it literally had zero requests in the 17th largest city in the US. That station was definitely playing a game with it for some reason. After the 3rd week it completely dropped off that station. I remember it vividly because I loved the song and what happened seemed so odd, literally every Top 40 pop song was getting more spins than MJ on that station.
There was so many dope projects that would’ve happened man I hate Sony🤦🏽♂️💯
Michael was a genius and a very shrewd businessman. He was way ahead of his time and and knew his craft, his instincts, his vision were way ahead of the pack. He could take someone else’s song and do it just as good as good if not better. For those who dissed him, he bought there songs and got paid for the privilege, that alone is a boss move!
And I loved all the songs this fella worked on with Michael
You Are My Life and Don't Walk Away are emotional ballads that tug at the heart strings. When you think about it Invincible was the last album he put out before he left earth. Not including greatest hits albums.
I've said this before and I will continue to say this IF PAUL MCCARTNEY WOULD HAVE PURCHASED THE ENTIRE JACKSON 5/ MICHAEL JACKSON PUBLISHING CATALOG NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN SAID OR DONE. BY THE WAY THE BEATLES ARE OVERRATED.
THANK YOU!! Paul had the opportunity to buy his songs. He was name the # 1 Richest Entertainer of 1983 but he chose not to and chose to bid others for the catalog but when MJ join the bidding war, he dropped out while MJ bid against others for the catalog and won
Dry & Overrated
Im happy this is in caps 🎄❤🙏🏿
NO CAP !
Rock My World is the shit! Plus Chris Tucker was in the video👍
Don't forget Marlon Brando!
Break of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait, Butterflies, Whatever Happens, etc etc. Invincible was incredible!!
Great song and I remember the televised reunion performance he did back in the early 2000s, and it was amazing. He really was the best Entertainer of all time.
No other artist worked on all the aspects of their careers like MJ… from when he composed the song & to producing it & to seeing it through the video & marketing & promotions & then to bring it live on the concert stage…
no one has lived, worked & died for their craft as MJ did …
We are so blessed to have lived in his generation …
If using the cosmic comparison, MJ was the sun & then all others are the stars 🌟
...Vlad never watched the Jacksons: An American Dream? It covered how Michael ended up being in the Jackson 5. 😕
Funny thing is vlad interviewed the person that played a young Michael (Jason Weaver)in that movie.🤦🏿♂️
He sang Climb Every Mountain at a school play.
He probably saw it but it’s better when you can get info straight from one of his brothers.
Michael was the real goat 🐐💯⚡💫
Michael Jackson wanted Invincible to be bigger then Thriller
Smooth Criminal is the best (theatrical?) music video ever... Fight me 😹😹😹😹
It simply is. Ppl will say Thriller because its groundbreaking but Smooth Criminal is impossibly perfect.
When I saw thriller on tv back in 83 till this day it's number one video all time then smooth criminal.then watching the live performances on tv with his brothers back in 1984 was a masterpiece 💯💯💯
Smooth Criminal is definitely up there. I remember being mesmerized the very first time I saw that video.
Facts!
Smooth Criminal is my favorite MJ video
We needed a “Rodney Jerkins” interview for the culture. Thank you, Vlad
MJ FOR EVER ✌️
MJ forever 💖😉✌
I can believe that Michael Jackson would sweat so much in the recording booth, that he would need three pairs of shirts. Michael Jackson was one of those performers, who practically gave 160 percent. I mean his entire mind, body, and soul on stage. I mean, there's the time that he performed "Man at the Mirror" at the 1988 Grammys. And Michael is throwing just about everything but the kitchen sink. He does multiple tornado spins, he collapses to his knees, he's leaping high in the air, and doing vocal gymnastics in front of his choir. It was like the Holy Ghost possessed him that night. And this is "Man in the Mirror", we're talking about, not an up-tempo song that would require you to put all of your energy and passion in it.
Invincible is MJs most underrated album EVER. Unbreakable should have been the lead single. Would have been a huge #1
Vlad ask about the allegations so Rodney can say how he feels about the media bothering Michael.
Can we talk about just for a second, how Darkchild is CRIMINALLY underrated when it comes to the discussion of greatest music producers???
Someone tell Vlad Michael's Billie Jean video is what helped launch MTV into the stratosphere not Thriller. First time I saw Thriller was on regular network TV not MTV.
Ahhh, all the videos we were deprived of! 😩
An MJ album with just one legit video. It makes zero sense, a travesty even.
Speechless was on point. Michael was great
@1:14 CORRECTION! Michael did THREE videos for Thriller not seven. "Billie Jean", "Beat It", and "Thriller". Sold over 20Million copies worldwide in 1983 alone.
Even Ne-yo said Marvin Gaye's vocals were too hard to mimic so he had to vocal train to MJ
Michael Jackson albums are great make magical amazing dancing albums
Does 6x platinum, Gladimir still has to be negative about that accomplishment smh
He said it wasn’t as big as previous albums, and it’s notably true. Go cry somewhere else.
@J Crash Damn can't read one comment without your bitter ass
I liked butterfly off that album. Rip to the king of pop
You rock my world is one of my favorite MJ song, and finding out that this guy produced it 3 weeks ago is amazing
End of the day people forgot he was someones son and brother. That story just reminded me.
Still a shame "Butterflies" never had a video!
Amazing clip. Love hearing massive praise for MJ and Whitney!
great insight...puts it in perspective for the lack of sells to his previous albums. As a MJ fan, I didn't know this
Ive never heard or seen Darkchild. But he is so smart and down to earth great man beside he is a great producer. Wow..respect
Glad that Vlad has FINALLY seen the light in regards to MJ. Long ago he would constantly throw shade (as you Americans would say) at MJ. Now after speaking to so many people who ACTUALLY knew MJ, he now sees that the dude was way more than the mainstream gave him credit for.
MJ said in one of the radio interviews at the time that he wanted to do a video for "Threatend" next.
Stevie Wonder , Michael Jackson, Luther Vandross , have to be in the top 5 of male vocalists in any order you’d like. But they gotta be in the list
Freddie Mercury? Prince? George Michael? Elvis?
David ruffin?
You can’t ignore R. Kelly vocally either! 💯
Nobody is talking about him
@@jeffreynanatakyicollins101 But i do. R.kelly vocally better than MJ tho.
Vlad is being very respectful of MJJ in this interview....
Thats because he wants ratings and obviously gotta be nice when talking about The King. We are done with Vlad
I remember MTV and VH1 playing you rock my world every 30 minutes
Micheal "we are the World" he was so ahead of us.
Invincible was ahead of its time and even had dubstep in it. MJ set the basis for 2000s RNB at the time. Marvellous album !!
Invincible was one of MJ's BEST, Sony MISSED out!!!
And unbreakable, heartbreaker. That album is most underrated.... But genius ,still too much for everyone else
Also the fact that the era of free downloading was starting dampened sales.
Amazing interview ❤️
All part of the conspiracy to take MJ out. Only thing is you can’t hold a good man down and no matter what MJ is still the King of pop. We love you Michael 4ever 🙏
His most underrated album, it’s actually really sad that Sony basically blackballed Invincible because Michael’s vocals were top notch on that album and he went back to his R&B roots with Break of Dawn, Butterflies (which definitely deserved a music video), and Heaven Can Wait) as much as I dislike TikTok, I do give it credit for giving Heaven Can Wait the attention it deserved
Invincible is my favorite album by Michael, it's so diverse, probably his most diverse. Dark child snapped in those beats. Privacy is 🔥🔥🔥
Man that album could've been one of the greatest. Rock My World and Butterflies were my songs.
Yeeaazzzzz I literally still play this.🖤
The entertainment industry executives allow the illusion of power, not power itself. If anyone thinks Jackson was bigger than the entertainment industry, you're fooling yourselves. When Jackson was not making the album sales projected, the promotion for the album stopped. And you know what happened next.
Exactly. 1 video wasn't even able to really promote it, and still sold the same amount that people sold at that time. People were copying cds, there was no Spotify, etc.
Mike became rebellious speaking about things plus he was smart
This music industry is wicked man! And Michael warned us about Motola when he called him the devil!
You see what ever happens is the best
Michael wanted Invincible to outsell thriller
I remember when the Rock My World video premiered. It was an an entire event in the hood. My brother and I waited by the tv all day so we wouldn’t miss it 😂
Michael was and always will be Beloved....He gave so much.....We will always guard his precious memory
MJ was the only one that had just as much power as they did
Invincible is Terribly Underrated.
*_Thriller_* didn't have 7 videos. But it had THE BIGGEST VIDEOS EVER!
MJ always had that vision for musical movies. I checked out the long version of Can You Feel It by The Jacksons and that was some early 80s epic ish!
The late James Ingram said he was dancing in the booth while recording P.Y.T. Mike was just different.
I think Dark Child is one of the best producers of this and previous generation, after is Timbo but this man its a blue print, bloody brilliant man, love him.
You rock my world wasn't the only video from invincible ....Cry had a video as well
That Biggie hologram would have been crazy!!
1:48 No 1 man is above the industry. You do not comply you will receive some sort of complications.
With all due Respect.. Prince (RIP )debunk that theory ...my point to that was WB thought they everything from Prince including his masters.. Prince told them I don’t think so... No one Artist or Artists ( Group) is above the business if the Record company fully invested and finance 95-100 % of their careers..
Michael Jackson wants to do a video. Who would halt that?
Narcissistic Sociopaths like Tommy Mottola & corporate suits. They really don’t care.
Business people that greed over $
Dark child gives the greatest most powerful interviews.... dark child is definitely a goat..... they hyping up a versuz with him and scott storch..... no disrespect to Scott, but that boi rodney jerkins is on another planet as far as music production...... would even be close....
What could have been. The videos alone! Damn shame!