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@@jankom.7783 it’s more so the potential that is there that has everyone thinking. Think about it. The story of a brainwashed soldier who realizes he is fighting for the wrong side and forsakes the security and comfort of duty and following orders for doing what’s right. If that’s not the makings for an awesome and inspiring tale then I don’t know what to tell you.
Finn by far had the most exciting and captivating character idea than all of the other sequel characters bar none. He was Star Wars' chance to continue creating new and interesting stories, but instead he was just trailer bait and his character was totally overshadowed by Luke Skywalker 2 so that they can fight Darth Vader 2 and blow up the Death Star 3.
That's one of my biggest disappointment in the disney series, Finn was supposed to be a soldier taken as a child, he could have had ptsd sequences, memories, problems with being in the resistance. And also show he REALLY is a soldier, a warmachine trained to fight, not a joke caracter pushed aside. So much potential wasted, same for Phasma.
Phasma even in the first movie! They shoved her in a trash compactor! Also, why the hell wasn't the TR-8R fight between Finn and Her? That would've been an epic way to establish their conflict, and instead they just created TR-8R for one scene and then killed him unceremoniously.
It kinda reminds you that the writers behind Star Wars nowadays care little for the bad guys being more than just stupidly and cartoonishly overpowered for no reason. One could argue the idea of the Empire to begin with is kind of a bland note - just Nazis in space - but at least they had some semblance of a believable backstory and a realistic span of capabilities, something the First Order has neither of.
He for sure needs, but in a saga called "The Skywalker Saga" it was expected his character would was the less focus centric one, since he was the less conected to them (but that for sure don't change he need to be the main one in the next trilogy like Obi Wan or Han to keep the balance going on)
Boyega definitely deserves the opportunity to tell Finn’s story as it should have unfolded in the first place. Disney should pay him his price, and then give him that story, they started it and they should come through. Also, I just noticed that in the Chinese poster: not only did they reduce in size Boyega’s image in the collage, they removed Oscar Issac from the poster completely. How rude…
It wasn't a shame... it was a disgrace. I well remember seeing the trailer for TFA, it had me so excited, I really believed a new SW age was dawning and I couldn't wait to learn about these new characters, I was all set to buy into it. Now... I'm afraid I just can't get interested in any of them. I could care less that John Boyega will be back along with Rey Palpatine, and I won't be going to see that movie, if it ever gets made.
@@adamcarey6093 one who just picks up a lightsaber doesnt just becaome a Jedi Both Fin and Rey are unworthy of the Jedi Tital. And in all reasons they wouldn't be Jedi they would be just Force Sensitive as the Jedi Order is dead and nobody granted them the title of Jedi Knight nor Dam Padawan. Rey is simply a Force Sensitive and Fin is just someone who got destoyed by a True Force User.
John did a great job making Finn relatable. You can't act well enough to overcome that writing, but he did what he could. There should be an Oscar for "Best acting in the face of truly horrible writing."
Back when Finn had potential to be a main character of his own right, now he's just guy who's just shouting *"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!"*
good soldiers follow orders. Finn's story as a child soldier would have been fascinating to elaborate on. He shared so many similarities with both the clones AND the Jedi. Bred and trained since he could walk to be a soldier, indoctrinated from the same age to be loyal to the First Order then disillusioned after the death of his friend. He could have bridged the gap the prequels left and helped create a unique link.
There is nothing Disney can do to change the fact that Finn is Force Sensitive. The way they had him acting during certain sequences proved that even if he couldn't USE The Force, he could definitely FEEL IT. And we missed out on that. And John was cast aside basically. A secondary character is all he got to be. Disney is so corrupt, even Palpetine would scoff at them.
Yeah, he was one of the few amazing things the Sequels introduced and I was so excited to see what they're gonna do with his character and then so disappointed that they reduced him to screaming Rey all the time.
Finn is written like a character who’s backstory was written first by some one who only had an idea and concept for the character, then different writers went about writing him with out to much consideration for his original foundation. As we would latter find out this is exactly what happened.
Alan, I have to tell you. Your channel is the one above the many that I respect and look towards when it comes to unique, stimulating and sometimes challenging (intellectually, and in the best ways possible) Star Wars content. As a fellow person of Asian descent, thank you for this video. Please do not stop doing what you do!
You're quite right. But it's a pity that Allen said that all Disney's words about equal representation, Asian representation are... completely *_meaningful._* 😏
The thing that I find so hard to forgive the higher ups at Disney for is that Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, and Kelly Marie Tran are all such amazing actors, they are so incredibly talented, and I'm sure they are probably good people outside of their careers also... but due to how Disney treated their characters, a lot of people are going to always think that they were nothing but diversity hires. We never get to see Daisy Ridley's amazing acting skills because she is never given a script that plays to her strength, instead she is given poorly choreographed fight scenes that make it look like she is swinging around a baseball bat rather than an elegant bladed weapon. We get teases of it, the scenes when she is having one on one conversations across from Adam Driver are some of the best character moments in Star Wars. John Boyega was able to convey such a wide range of emotion in the opening scene of The Force Awakens, with a helmet on, and then we get glimpses of that emotional range from time to time, but at no point do we get that story arc of him having to come to terms with the fact that he is now having to kill the people who he used to consider friends or even family, because they are still so brainwashed that they view him as a traitor and will kill him without hesitation if he doesn't kill them first. Why don't we get to see the emotional breadth that we see in the opening scene ever applied to one of those moments? And poor Kelley Marie Tran, she has such an intense energy, she easily could have been the small but mighty Resistance counter to Phasma (another criminally underused character), and instead she is practically the comic relief. Unfortunately, I can kind of understand why a lot of people think those three were diversity hires, because they were put front and center on all the marketing, but never truly shined in the movies, so obviously there had to be some reason Disney was pushing them so much in the marketing. Yeah, the marketing people recognized the incredible talent of those three and showcased them front and center, but the producers and management were afraid to go all in with them.
Boyega definitely deserves the opportunity to tell Finn’s story as it should have unfolded in the first place. Disney should pay him his price, and then give him that story, they started it and they should come through. Also, I just noticed that in the Chinese poster: not only did they reduce in size Boyega’s image in the collage, they removed Oscar Issac from the poster completely. How rude…
@@memenadekhanh3992 or even like Poe. The CCP doesn't really like anyone who isn't ethnically Han Chinese or Asian, yet they're still hypocrites since they are oppressive towards their own citizens and don't respect the sovereignty of their neighbors like Taiwan, Hong Kong (even though it's a Special Administrative Region, yet its citizens and society behave more autonomously from the central government), Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei-the territories of the latter four in the South China Sea were illegitimately claimed and militarized by the CCP according to "an ancient map".
@@Torsteen-p3d It was very well developed in The Last Jedi, thanks to Rose and the other hacker! It was precisely because of the events at Kanto Bike that Finn wanted to sacrifice himself at the end of the film!
I feel like the character of Taramyn Barcona from Andor was a dig at how they handled Finn, in that it was basically the show saying this is what Finn realistically should have been like.
Excellent episode. I wish Disney/LucasFilm had someone like Allen on their corporate board as an advisor. Someone with VETO power over bad ideas. Someone who says "No you can't have Leia flying through space and Finn needs to have his character arc properly fleshed out."
_I still remember how overjoyed and positive I was after watching The Force Awakens._ Despite what everybody said about "A New Hope 2.0", this was a movie I genuinelly loved to watch and made me feel hopeful for the future of Star Wars! The amazing ammount of graphic novels and extended material released right afterwards only intensified that optimism, that nostalgic magic of "Star Wars is back". *Which is why I will absolutelly never forgive Ryan Johnson not even after his death.* Because as soon as The Last Jedi was released, *it was over.* All of it. It just *ended* right there, with JJ Abrams failing to revive the trilogy in Rise of Skywalker. Ryan's abomination did so many hateful things! - it turned Finn, a really compelling and likeable character, *into a literal punching bag of comic relief* - it turned Rey, a pretty generic but still likeable protagonist, *into a bitter person who's always angry and lashing out* - it turned Poe Dameron, the iconic "best pilot in the galaxy" who even had his own book, *into a suddenly incompetent and reckless leader who throws his companions' lives away on a suicide run and is just arrogantly defying the chain of command like an asshole* _And dear Lord, I don't think I even need to start with Luke and Leia, right?_ 🤦♂️ Seriously, I think only Kylo Ren avoided the blunt of the bullshit, yet even he felt lacking! People saying Rise of Skywalker was the worst of the trilogy, but to me that movie was just JJ Abrams _trying_ to rescue what original ideas he had back in the The Force Awakens time. Except he utterly failed, because the damage was far too great and he did not have the competence to recycle *that* hot garbage back into form. And _man... it hurts._ _It actually hurts to remember the good old days of 2016-2017 and how good it felt to see numbered Star Wars movies back again._ 😔
I feel like the racist homophobic rants from Rta back in the day should have been the first clue. He never wanted Finn to be, well Finn, because he was black, and his love story arc was completely destroyed, along with his force sensitivity and all. The situation with Po was purely in service to trying to place Rey as this Damsel in Distress centerpiece that to me just came off as sexist, because you took a strong character and turned her into a stereotype, and oh my god, they did Rose. What an absolute show of true colors there. Mark Hamil tried his best to do something, but he didn't hold any of the cards. Shit situation man.
Don't quite agree with part of that: - Finn was turned from puppy dog love of Rey comic-relief into someone who chooses to be a hero. His character is greatly improved in TLJ. The execution of this is poorly handled, but it did greatly improve his character. Of course, the 3rd movie then reverts him to puppy dog love Finn, making him a joke character again. - Rey was just more of the same from the first, for the most part. - Poe is the only one making good military decisions, though he does get progressively worse as the movie progresses. But yes, TLJ did kill the series. Rian Johnson failed at his job, which was to make the middle act of a three act story, and instead opted to show his disdain of Abrams style mystery boxes by wiping out any avenue for the story to in the first movie established.
@@Axterix13 I disagree as Finn's whole motivation in TLJ is to Find Rey, willing to dessert from the Resistance in order to do so. He literally wakes up and aims to find Rey getting caught by rose but then Poe needs them to do something. Tell me that's not simping or being someone with puppy dog eyes. He later becomes a bero giving and believing in Rose another outcast and willing to sacrifice himself in the battle of Crait for the resistance.
Let's not forget they filmed the live-action Mulan in Xinjiang, a region that historically belonged to a Muslim ethnic group known as the Uyghurs, who were being held in internment camps against their will and are being stripped away of their culture and religion all in the interests of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
"because of China", the sweet lie you tell yourselves. Disney didn't change the character because of chinese, it was because of the r4c!sts that infest the USA, from the first teaser they started attacking John Boyega and Disney got scared and changed the script a few times and even reshot the ending of the movie. but, keep telling the lie about China, the rotten americans would never admit that they stink.
Hit the nail on the head. No one even thought twice about Finn's skin color, but the story from the trailers seemed like we were getting a very good story about a rogue storm trooper as well as how that affects him and how he turns to the "lightside" of the force and to become a Jedi.
When I saw the trailer for the force awakens, I legit thought Fin was going to be the main character. Would have been so cool to have a story where the Sith/bad guys do something soo bad, they turn some of their own people against them, and one of them turns out to be force sensitive and become a Jedi.
This video reminds me of why I'm such a fan of yours: when you accurately mesh your SW Fandom and knowledge of IRL issues, you never hesitate to call out both sides.
Seeing a stormtrooper defect got my curiosity. The thought of him becoming a Jedi earned my attention. Screwing Boyega out of this awesomeness earned my ire and distain. Finn was paraded out to pander to the west and then hidden to pander to the east. To hell with Disney
It’d be fascinating to follow a character in the Final Order as well. Born and raised on Exegol, just chillin. It’d be interesting if during TROS, we see that actually Finn’s actions did trigger a rebellion within the FO, reaching all the way to the Final Order.
Cardinal West has an incredible script rewrite for the sequel trilogy and it actually gives Rey, Poe and Finn the credit they deserve as protagonists. I highly recommend you guys check it out.
There are so many ways they could have gone with Finns character. They could have went the following directions: 1. He is a young, tough soldier who is good at his job and believes what he is doing is right. When he is sent into combat he begins to witness things that trouble him, when stormtroopers commit atrocities he reports them to their commander. The commander ignores him, so he reports these incidents to a higher commander and is punished harshly for it. When he is forced to participate in an atrocious act he defects to the rebellion. 2. Finn could be an older soldier. He is tough, ruthless and efficient. But he has been doing this too long. He is burned out and disillusioned. He goes awol to find a new life of peace and quiet. He hides out in a local community until he has to fight. 3. He could be a naval officer who commands a ship, and like Option #2 but he chided to recruit his crew to defect with him. There is so much that could have been done instead of making Finn a comic relief.
When the first trailers for TFA were released & we got that first shot of Finn, all I thought was "Cool; a stormtrooper as a main character." Add to that the poster with Finn holding the lightsaber & I thought "Cool; a former stormtrooper who's Force sensitive. This could be interesting." Instead, we got the Finn that Disney/LF gave us. I really had great hope for all the characters, but Finn in particular & was greatly disappointed, as were many others. In my own canon, Finn is as I described above - a Force sensitive, former stormtrooper who winds up being trained by Luke. Poe is pretty much a mix of Han & farmboy/x-wing pilot Luke, an ace pilot with a bit of swagger to him. Rey is a crewmember of the Falcon that Han picked up along the way, using her mechanical & technical expertise to keep the ship together. Kylo Ren is no relation to Han & Leia; he's just a new Sith character under the tutelage of Snoke, who's also NOT a Palpatine clone, who've reconstituted the various parts of the Imperial Remnant. Those tweaks to the characters were, quite honestly, the only way I could stomach keeping any of the figures I'd collected over the course of the Sequels, as silly as that sounds & would've made for a much more appealing story, for me, at least.
Sound actually interesting. Too bad that such examples of interesting storytelling potential are ignored simply because the one's in charge don't actually know what good quality is. Granted one can say the quality issue is more of a Disney problem at large rather than just a Star Wars one. But yeah your idea at least makes use of the characters in a way that works. At least then Rey's ability to fix the Falcon could be explained away of 'her fixing it up so many times she actually has some knowhow to ensure some issues Han didn't know or put off could be solved simply by doing enough to know what goes where and how it all works together', rather than her just somehow knowing it like what was seen in the actual film. And having Kylo Ren not be related to Han & Leia is a nice idea as well, because then you aren't forced to write around certain things and allow him to be something arguably even more of a bad guy than Vader ever could be. The whole claim of Snoke being a failed Palpatine clone is really unneeded, so just drop that thing and make him something original instead. I mean there was this whole plan of having a 'True Sith Empire' for the Old Republic games, why not have him be a remnant of that and have him seek to do what his distant ancestors did so long ago. Seriously, there could have been so much more done but instead they just went with the laziest by-the-numbers storylines meant to push product onto store shelves for people who know nothing better would buy up because Star Wars. Except that hasn't really worked out for them, has it now? In any case, the fact random people on the internet can make more interesting story concepts on their free time can make more interesting story concepts than people who are paid money for their time spent by big companies really says how lacking the 'creative' part of Hollywood is these day's.
another thing is that out of everyone in the new cast of the prequels, John Boyega knew Star Wars better than any of the other actors (aside from Mark Hamill and the OGs). Not only did the man do his homework, but he is a genuine nerd and fan of the series, so it sucks to see the one person who cares the most get pushed to the background when he was perfect for the role of a new important lineup of fresh characters in the Star Wars family. Finn will forever be a Jedi in my eyes. That's his character. That's what he was set out to be from the beginning, based on scripts, based on the actor's own testimony, based on insights within the films we got in the prequels, and even the marketing. Disney better fix it, and they have a chance to do so in the upcoming Rey series/film.
Finn facing his old comrades (literally, unmasked troopers) and reconciling compartmentalised guilt is the necessary end to his ST story, before he allows himself to become a Jedi. Maybe he’s hesitant to tell Rey, because he fears what he’s capable of. Tales of the Jedi season 2? The bare minimum, please
Writing a story for Finn is very satisfying. Quite a few Fanfictions do this. I quite liked his side-quest in TLJ, since it supports the main theme: 'learn from failure', and it was entertaining. Also, rare to see you rant like that. but you have valid reason.
I have said this many times. His story was an absolute missed opportunity. Can you imagine a story about how a ST rebels but refuses to just ruthlessly slaughter his former brethren because, just like him, they were victims of the Empire? A story about how he works to get an entire regiment worth of troopers to defect to the rebellion. BTW, we don't actually have the discussions here in the US. Not really.
Nothing Disney did excuses the abuse some of the actors got from the so-called fans. Kelly Marie Tran is a great actress who was done wrong first the "fandom" then by Disney who punished her to appease people who did not want to be appeased.
I feel like if we they did a story about Finn recruiting and helping other stormtroopers rehabilitate then Disney could do it in a similar style to Andor where Finn must set up networks of defectors and expand the operations. And it’s not too late either, the galaxy post RoS has a power vacuum: both the Republic n the First Order are essentially gone and there will be power grab amongst different factions giving room for individuals like Finn, Rose, and Poe a chance to step up. It will be like what Mon Mothma did after RoTJ but now we can actually see it
boyega was 100% cast for woke points. as shown by the fact they removed him from the posters in countries that actually hate blacks. it's actually sad that any black person cast these days instantly raises suspicions. We've had so many great women and black people in fantastic roles, but these companies have just poisoned the well.
The more I think about it, the more I wish that Rey’s character didn’t exist. All of the things that were copied from the original trilogy would have been tolerated so much more if the story revolved around Finn. Imagine if the whole sequel trilogy was a about a First Order Stormtrooper who came to see the evils of the environment he was raised in, goes on a chaotic adventure across the galaxy, making friends along the way, defects to the Resistance, and even discovers his own Force sensitivity!
I would absolutely LOVE to see a TV series focused on Finn! His character truly would present such a unique perspective and story for viewers! I hope he returns in some capacity - film, TV, or both - where his apparent Force sensitivity is actually addressed and explored. That was one of the most disappointing parts about The Rise of Skywalker for me, that his revelation wasn’t acknowledged. Thanks again for the awesome, thoughtful content - I really enjoyed this one!
For me, Finn being black was a case of, "Oh, well that's different"... and that was it. I was more interested in the potential story of his, and like many others, I was looking forward to seeing how they would handle the teases of him possibly being at least Force-sensitive, and him being a minority was simply an extra detail. Disney really did the character of Finn and his actor dirty, and we missed out on what could have been a lot of what may have been at least interesting. Sadly, my father was one of those who complained about a stormtrooper being portrayed by a black man, only he did not need social media to make his racism known - he regularly made that clear since he first saw the trailer. I guess back then, that should have been a warning sign for his political leanings to come. The cherry on top: my father is Mexican and a naturalized immigrant. Like the comedian Trae Crowder said, idiots and @$$holes are immune to irony.
Rian Johnson completely and utterly screwed over Finn/John Boyaga. Finn was a really interesting untrainted force sensitive Stormtrooper that defected. Rian Johnson used him to pad the runtime because a 2 hour slow speed chase with a general that doesn't tell her crew anything is really tedious. Finn was wasted on a 45 minute side quest to go to some casino planet where he completely fails at everything and has no impact on anything.
Finn was my favorite character; no matter how many times I got burned I was always curious to see how they would handle the former stormtrooper fighting against the only thing he's ever known. Mr. Boyega did an incredible job with the horrifically bad writing he was given.
The ironic part about this entire thing is that Disney avoided their own "toxic" fans to appease the Chinese market. Disney, we WANTED the black guy! John's a great actor who got completely shafted in favor of the genocidal Chinese.
Can I just say how grateful I am for the way that you put your finger on the painful itch that was my “minority academic scholarship“? My friends were bitter that I got free money, and I can understand why, but it’s exactly as you said: the fact that I got it because I’m Brown erased all of the work I had to do to overcome the challenges that came with being Brown. At the same time…I don’t…I don’t think we’re going to be making movies that convince people to not be racist. The movie “Traitor” with Don Cheadle had me doing a 180 on my attitude towards Muslims, but Don looks like my dad. How are you going to convince people in an ethnic isolation chamber to lay down their victim mentality and treat with dignity people who are practically an abstraction to them? This coming from a public school teacher in an isolated, supermajority White, rural community with some Kl@n ties and strong Confederate sympathy/identity.
John Boyaga 100% knows he was screwed over, and post interviews is NOT happy since it's a chunk of his career out the window, nevermind it now being stuck on his resume.
"try to do a little too much" is an understatement. the Disney movies tried to have three Main Protagonists, each with their own complete and independent cast of Supporting Sidekicks. Then, doubling down on this fuckup, they tried to give each character multiple character development arcs. The whole sequel trilogy felt like it started life on the drawing board as a plan for a full live-action series on the scale of Clone Wars, but then some new Disney exec fresh out of whatever the Corporate equivalent of West Point is decided "fuck that, put it all into a feature-length movie", and for some reason nobody told him "Sir, you're a fucking idiot, shut up and let the professionals work."
It never made sense to me that Finn was leading the charge in an expeditionary unit and then, in the very next movie, they changed him to just being a janitor. I feel like the second movie in the trilogy did him wrong, there was so much potential in The Force Awakens for John Boyega. They need to do some justice for his character.
It feels like JJ was alot more into the idea of Finn as a main character. Rian just wanted him out of the way so he could do some weird star crossed lover thing with Rey and Kylo.. which based on all the stuff Kylo did to Rey and how brutally he killed his father, made no sense.
Alan, bro, so many good points you made. Disneys greed and negligence has divided the fanbase, but thank you for reminding us our love of star wars keeps us together.
I was looking forward to Finn being a major role. Getting to know him inside the movies and perhaps in addition stories or shows. I was very disappointed how they treated the character, and the very little they did with him.
From what little I know of the sequels (I only watched Force Awakens) Finn got shafted so hard in the films the comics had to do extra leg work to make him actually matter as character, the same thing happened with Ren.
They did Fin dirty. A story about a stormtrooper breaking from his programming who realizes he’s force sensitive and sets to find a master, bumps into Rey and then both adventure together to be taught by Luke would have been way better then the abomination we got.
I think it's good that Disney doesn't reduce Finn or Boyega to his race. But I also think it's fine to celebrate breaking barriers. Finn is the first black lead character in the Star Wars franchise. We've had great characters like Windu and Lando but in the 30ish years the star wars franchise had been a thing, we hadn't had an actual leading black character. That's a good thing and I don't think pointing that out is a bad thing.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing they can do for the sequels is to fill in the gaps with a Clone Wars style anthology series. I don't care if it's animated or live action, just that it does these characters any amount of justice.
I think Disney should do a Star Wars movie based entirely around Fin and leading up to the events of the Force Awakens/ and or reveal Finn is actually Force Sensitive or something THAT MAKES SENSE!
My own personal hindsight idea for Finn would be drop him for the most part to allow the character to do his arc in a separate media(TV show) keep his effects if his actions in the movie or have him join back up once said arc is completed off screen
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@@TaurusInvicta The Last Jedi is a great movie!
A Kryptonian Jedi would be kinda OP but still cool.
@@vis_viva What do you mean by? Can you explain this to me please?
The force is female (Layla.)😂🗿🚨🎭My apologies to Eric Clapton fans.
@@chriscummings4206 What do you mean by that?
They did Finn extremely dirty. His backstory was unique and had tons of potential… only for Finn to be gradually pushed aside as a joke character.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY!!!!
What is the obsession with Finn? I do not get it. What is so interesting about him? And what do you expect his story arc to be?
@@jankom.7783 it’s more so the potential that is there that has everyone thinking. Think about it. The story of a brainwashed soldier who realizes he is fighting for the wrong side and forsakes the security and comfort of duty and following orders for doing what’s right. If that’s not the makings for an awesome and inspiring tale then I don’t know what to tell you.
@@jankom.7783 Well, his story's broad strokes were so close to Kyle Katarn, I think a lot of folks expected him to follow that character's arc.
Finn by far had the most exciting and captivating character idea than all of the other sequel characters bar none. He was Star Wars' chance to continue creating new and interesting stories, but instead he was just trailer bait and his character was totally overshadowed by Luke Skywalker 2 so that they can fight Darth Vader 2 and blow up the Death Star 3.
That's one of my biggest disappointment in the disney series, Finn was supposed to be a soldier taken as a child, he could have had ptsd sequences, memories, problems with being in the resistance. And also show he REALLY is a soldier, a warmachine trained to fight, not a joke caracter pushed aside. So much potential wasted, same for Phasma.
Disney doesn't care about black men when whamens is involved. "force is female" etc etc etc. *vomits*
Phasma even in the first movie! They shoved her in a trash compactor! Also, why the hell wasn't the TR-8R fight between Finn and Her? That would've been an epic way to establish their conflict, and instead they just created TR-8R for one scene and then killed him unceremoniously.
It kinda reminds you that the writers behind Star Wars nowadays care little for the bad guys being more than just stupidly and cartoonishly overpowered for no reason. One could argue the idea of the Empire to begin with is kind of a bland note - just Nazis in space - but at least they had some semblance of a believable backstory and a realistic span of capabilities, something the First Order has neither of.
The late Max Von Sydow Was wasted too
I personally feel robbed of fins story John boyaga deserves better from Disney
He for sure needs, but in a saga called "The Skywalker Saga" it was expected his character would was the less focus centric one, since he was the less conected to them (but that for sure don't change he need to be the main one in the next trilogy like Obi Wan or Han to keep the balance going on)
100% Disney definitely dropped the ball...and the later character assassination was just wrong
I honestly felt that he should have been the “Jedi” given that he was able to break the brainwashing machine of the first order.
Finn absolutely should've been the main character
Boyega definitely deserves the opportunity to tell Finn’s story as it should have unfolded in the first place. Disney should pay him his price, and then give him that story, they started it and they should come through.
Also, I just noticed that in the Chinese poster: not only did they reduce in size Boyega’s image in the collage, they removed Oscar Issac from the poster completely. How rude…
It was a shame to see Finn so diluted throughout the Disney sequels....
It wasn't a shame... it was a disgrace.
I well remember seeing the trailer for TFA, it had me so excited, I really believed a new SW age was dawning and I couldn't wait to learn about these new characters, I was all set to buy into it. Now... I'm afraid I just can't get interested in any of them. I could care less that John Boyega will be back along with Rey Palpatine, and I won't be going to see that movie, if it ever gets made.
Delete Rey and make Fin the new Jedi. Would have been much cooler. When the TFA trailers hit I was like, a storm trooper becomes a Jedi, awesome!
When Disney must obey their Chinese masters.
@@adamcarey6093 one who just picks up a lightsaber doesnt just becaome a Jedi Both Fin and Rey are unworthy of the Jedi Tital. And in all reasons they wouldn't be Jedi they would be just Force Sensitive as the Jedi Order is dead and nobody granted them the title of Jedi Knight nor Dam Padawan. Rey is simply a Force Sensitive and Fin is just someone who got destoyed by a True Force User.
@@Tendon-Cobar-2347title not tital
John did a great job making Finn relatable. You can't act well enough to overcome that writing, but he did what he could. There should be an Oscar for "Best acting in the face of truly horrible writing."
i know right he's one of my favorite characters in the trilogy
actually i love all the actors they did a fantastic job for a script that made no sense at all
mcu movies might actually start winning with that category
Back when Finn had potential to be a main character of his own right, now he's just guy who's just shouting *"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!"*
They fly now!!!
good soldiers follow orders. Finn's story as a child soldier would have been fascinating to elaborate on. He shared so many similarities with both the clones AND the Jedi. Bred and trained since he could walk to be a soldier, indoctrinated from the same age to be loyal to the First Order then disillusioned after the death of his friend. He could have bridged the gap the prequels left and helped create a unique link.
Instead, they blinked, and made Fin a janitor that got bumped up to trooper for some reason, not a real warrior. What a waste.
@@michaelbarnard8529turned him into a buffoon that screams REEEEEY!
Let's remember that one of the stormtrooper saw finn as an officer and was proud of him in the last Jedi
There is nothing Disney can do to change the fact that Finn is Force Sensitive. The way they had him acting during certain sequences proved that even if he couldn't USE The Force, he could definitely FEEL IT. And we missed out on that. And John was cast aside basically. A secondary character is all he got to be. Disney is so corrupt, even Palpetine would scoff at them.
Yeah, he was one of the few amazing things the Sequels introduced and I was so excited to see what they're gonna do with his character and then so disappointed that they reduced him to screaming Rey all the time.
Finn is written like a character who’s backstory was written first by some one who only had an idea and concept for the character, then different writers went about writing him with out to much consideration for his original foundation. As we would latter find out this is exactly what happened.
Alan, I have to tell you. Your channel is the one above the many that I respect and look towards when it comes to unique, stimulating and sometimes challenging (intellectually, and in the best ways possible) Star Wars content.
As a fellow person of Asian descent, thank you for this video.
Please do not stop doing what you do!
You're quite right. But it's a pity that Allen said that all Disney's words about equal representation, Asian representation are... completely *_meaningful._* 😏
@@Raygo.I think he meant to say "meaningless" and it came off wrong? 🤨
I dunno, something about that delivery felt off.
He could have been saying it sarcastically. Like tongue in cheek.
The thing that I find so hard to forgive the higher ups at Disney for is that Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, and Kelly Marie Tran are all such amazing actors, they are so incredibly talented, and I'm sure they are probably good people outside of their careers also... but due to how Disney treated their characters, a lot of people are going to always think that they were nothing but diversity hires. We never get to see Daisy Ridley's amazing acting skills because she is never given a script that plays to her strength, instead she is given poorly choreographed fight scenes that make it look like she is swinging around a baseball bat rather than an elegant bladed weapon. We get teases of it, the scenes when she is having one on one conversations across from Adam Driver are some of the best character moments in Star Wars. John Boyega was able to convey such a wide range of emotion in the opening scene of The Force Awakens, with a helmet on, and then we get glimpses of that emotional range from time to time, but at no point do we get that story arc of him having to come to terms with the fact that he is now having to kill the people who he used to consider friends or even family, because they are still so brainwashed that they view him as a traitor and will kill him without hesitation if he doesn't kill them first. Why don't we get to see the emotional breadth that we see in the opening scene ever applied to one of those moments? And poor Kelley Marie Tran, she has such an intense energy, she easily could have been the small but mighty Resistance counter to Phasma (another criminally underused character), and instead she is practically the comic relief.
Unfortunately, I can kind of understand why a lot of people think those three were diversity hires, because they were put front and center on all the marketing, but never truly shined in the movies, so obviously there had to be some reason Disney was pushing them so much in the marketing. Yeah, the marketing people recognized the incredible talent of those three and showcased them front and center, but the producers and management were afraid to go all in with them.
Boyega definitely deserves the opportunity to tell Finn’s story as it should have unfolded in the first place. Disney should pay him his price, and then give him that story, they started it and they should come through.
Also, I just noticed that in the Chinese poster: not only did they reduce in size Boyega’s image in the collage, they removed Oscar Issac from the poster completely. How rude…
Isn't Oscar Isaac Jewish? Maybe Chinese moviegoers are antisemitic _as well as_ racist...
The CCP don't want their average grunts to be like Finn.
@@memenadekhanh3992 or even like Poe. The CCP doesn't really like anyone who isn't ethnically Han Chinese or Asian, yet they're still hypocrites since they are oppressive towards their own citizens and don't respect the sovereignty of their neighbors like Taiwan, Hong Kong (even though it's a Special Administrative Region, yet its citizens and society behave more autonomously from the central government), Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei-the territories of the latter four in the South China Sea were illegitimately claimed and militarized by the CCP according to "an ancient map".
Too late, TFA made him a janitor cosplaying as a trooper. There is no story to go back and tell.
But there should have been.
Finn got done dirty by the sequel trilogy
Not true! He is done greatly in The Last Jedi!
@@SuperPlacido1 A great amount of damage was done to him in The last jedi.*
@@Torsteen-p3d It was very well developed in The Last Jedi, thanks to Rose and the other hacker! It was precisely because of the events at Kanto Bike that Finn wanted to sacrifice himself at the end of the film!
I feel like the character of Taramyn Barcona from Andor was a dig at how they handled Finn, in that it was basically the show saying this is what Finn realistically should have been like.
That first trailer…man…I remember my excitement and it could not be contained.
They did Finn dirty. They did us all dirty.
Excellent episode. I wish Disney/LucasFilm had someone like Allen on their corporate board as an advisor. Someone with VETO power over bad ideas. Someone who says "No you can't have Leia flying through space and Finn needs to have his character arc properly fleshed out."
Thank you for talking about this. It was upsetting what they did to John (Finn).
_I still remember how overjoyed and positive I was after watching The Force Awakens._
Despite what everybody said about "A New Hope 2.0", this was a movie I genuinelly loved to watch and made me feel hopeful for the future of Star Wars!
The amazing ammount of graphic novels and extended material released right afterwards only intensified that optimism, that nostalgic magic of "Star Wars is back".
*Which is why I will absolutelly never forgive Ryan Johnson not even after his death.*
Because as soon as The Last Jedi was released, *it was over.*
All of it.
It just *ended* right there, with JJ Abrams failing to revive the trilogy in Rise of Skywalker.
Ryan's abomination did so many hateful things!
- it turned Finn, a really compelling and likeable character, *into a literal punching bag of comic relief*
- it turned Rey, a pretty generic but still likeable protagonist, *into a bitter person who's always angry and lashing out*
- it turned Poe Dameron, the iconic "best pilot in the galaxy" who even had his own book, *into a suddenly incompetent and reckless leader who throws his companions' lives away on a suicide run and is just arrogantly defying the chain of command like an asshole*
_And dear Lord, I don't think I even need to start with Luke and Leia, right?_ 🤦♂️
Seriously, I think only Kylo Ren avoided the blunt of the bullshit, yet even he felt lacking!
People saying Rise of Skywalker was the worst of the trilogy, but to me that movie was just JJ Abrams _trying_ to rescue what original ideas he had back in the The Force Awakens time.
Except he utterly failed, because the damage was far too great and he did not have the competence to recycle *that* hot garbage back into form.
And _man... it hurts._
_It actually hurts to remember the good old days of 2016-2017 and how good it felt to see numbered Star Wars movies back again._ 😔
Yeah I feel like I can’t even criticize rise of skywalker for exactly that reason… 🤦 what a mess
I feel like the racist homophobic rants from Rta back in the day should have been the first clue. He never wanted Finn to be, well Finn, because he was black, and his love story arc was completely destroyed, along with his force sensitivity and all. The situation with Po was purely in service to trying to place Rey as this Damsel in Distress centerpiece that to me just came off as sexist, because you took a strong character and turned her into a stereotype, and oh my god, they did Rose. What an absolute show of true colors there. Mark Hamil tried his best to do something, but he didn't hold any of the cards. Shit situation man.
Don't quite agree with part of that:
- Finn was turned from puppy dog love of Rey comic-relief into someone who chooses to be a hero. His character is greatly improved in TLJ. The execution of this is poorly handled, but it did greatly improve his character. Of course, the 3rd movie then reverts him to puppy dog love Finn, making him a joke character again.
- Rey was just more of the same from the first, for the most part.
- Poe is the only one making good military decisions, though he does get progressively worse as the movie progresses.
But yes, TLJ did kill the series. Rian Johnson failed at his job, which was to make the middle act of a three act story, and instead opted to show his disdain of Abrams style mystery boxes by wiping out any avenue for the story to in the first movie established.
@@Axterix13 I disagree as Finn's whole motivation in TLJ is to Find Rey, willing to dessert from the Resistance in order to do so. He literally wakes up and aims to find Rey getting caught by rose but then Poe needs them to do something.
Tell me that's not simping or being someone with puppy dog eyes. He later becomes a bero giving and believing in Rose another outcast and willing to sacrifice himself in the battle of Crait for the resistance.
Finn should have been the awoken Jedi but because Disney cares more about the Chinese market we got what we got
Yup that was the point Disney were hyper chinese simps before they took an 90 degree turn after Black Panther
Let's not forget they filmed the live-action Mulan in Xinjiang, a region that historically belonged to a Muslim ethnic group known as the Uyghurs, who were being held in internment camps against their will and are being stripped away of their culture and religion all in the interests of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
What makes it worst is the Chinese market has never been a big audience for Star Wars. It's always been middling.
"because of China", the sweet lie you tell yourselves. Disney didn't change the character because of chinese, it was because of the r4c!sts that infest the USA, from the first teaser they started attacking John Boyega and Disney got scared and changed the script a few times and even reshot the ending of the movie. but, keep telling the lie about China, the rotten americans would never admit that they stink.
Hit the nail on the head. No one even thought twice about Finn's skin color, but the story from the trailers seemed like we were getting a very good story about a rogue storm trooper as well as how that affects him and how he turns to the "lightside" of the force and to become a Jedi.
I feel finn wouldn't be a jedi more like a sharpshooter since he can use the force to better his aim and even reaction time
Everyone in Disney SW has force power- when it's convenient...
When I saw the trailer for the force awakens, I legit thought Fin was going to be the main character. Would have been so cool to have a story where the Sith/bad guys do something soo bad, they turn some of their own people against them, and one of them turns out to be force sensitive and become a Jedi.
This video reminds me of why I'm such a fan of yours: when you accurately mesh your SW Fandom and knowledge of IRL issues, you never hesitate to call out both sides.
Seeing a stormtrooper defect got my curiosity. The thought of him becoming a Jedi earned my attention. Screwing Boyega out of this awesomeness earned my ire and distain. Finn was paraded out to pander to the west and then hidden to pander to the east. To hell with Disney
I want to see a live-action series about the FIrst Order, not only highlight Finn but also give Phasma the screen time and development she deserves.
It’d be fascinating to follow a character in the Final Order as well. Born and raised on Exegol, just chillin.
It’d be interesting if during TROS, we see that actually Finn’s actions did trigger a rebellion within the FO, reaching all the way to the Final Order.
Cardinal West has an incredible script rewrite for the sequel trilogy and it actually gives Rey, Poe and Finn the credit they deserve as protagonists. I highly recommend you guys check it out.
Thanks I'll check it out. 😁👍🏾🤔
Finn should have been the jedi protagonist. Imagine an ex stormtrooper turner jedi
Would have been a better plot twist than what we got. Make for a better story too.
There are so many ways they could have gone with Finns character. They could have went the following directions:
1. He is a young, tough soldier who is good at his job and believes what he is doing is right. When he is sent into combat he begins to witness things that trouble him, when stormtroopers commit atrocities he reports them to their commander. The commander ignores him, so he reports these incidents to a higher commander and is punished harshly for it. When he is forced to participate in an atrocious act he defects to the rebellion.
2. Finn could be an older soldier. He is tough, ruthless and efficient. But he has been doing this too long. He is burned out and disillusioned. He goes awol to find a new life of peace and quiet. He hides out in a local community until he has to fight.
3. He could be a naval officer who commands a ship, and like Option #2 but he chided to recruit his crew to defect with him.
There is so much that could have been done instead of making Finn a comic relief.
I usually enjoy your videos. But for some reason this one was one of the best. So sincere. I loved it.
When the first trailers for TFA were released & we got that first shot of Finn, all I thought was "Cool; a stormtrooper as a main character." Add to that the poster with Finn holding the lightsaber & I thought "Cool; a former stormtrooper who's Force sensitive. This could be interesting." Instead, we got the Finn that Disney/LF gave us. I really had great hope for all the characters, but Finn in particular & was greatly disappointed, as were many others.
In my own canon, Finn is as I described above - a Force sensitive, former stormtrooper who winds up being trained by Luke. Poe is pretty much a mix of Han & farmboy/x-wing pilot Luke, an ace pilot with a bit of swagger to him. Rey is a crewmember of the Falcon that Han picked up along the way, using her mechanical & technical expertise to keep the ship together. Kylo Ren is no relation to Han & Leia; he's just a new Sith character under the tutelage of Snoke, who's also NOT a Palpatine clone, who've reconstituted the various parts of the Imperial Remnant. Those tweaks to the characters were, quite honestly, the only way I could stomach keeping any of the figures I'd collected over the course of the Sequels, as silly as that sounds & would've made for a much more appealing story, for me, at least.
Sound actually interesting. Too bad that such examples of interesting storytelling potential are ignored simply because the one's in charge don't actually know what good quality is. Granted one can say the quality issue is more of a Disney problem at large rather than just a Star Wars one. But yeah your idea at least makes use of the characters in a way that works. At least then Rey's ability to fix the Falcon could be explained away of 'her fixing it up so many times she actually has some knowhow to ensure some issues Han didn't know or put off could be solved simply by doing enough to know what goes where and how it all works together', rather than her just somehow knowing it like what was seen in the actual film. And having Kylo Ren not be related to Han & Leia is a nice idea as well, because then you aren't forced to write around certain things and allow him to be something arguably even more of a bad guy than Vader ever could be. The whole claim of Snoke being a failed Palpatine clone is really unneeded, so just drop that thing and make him something original instead. I mean there was this whole plan of having a 'True Sith Empire' for the Old Republic games, why not have him be a remnant of that and have him seek to do what his distant ancestors did so long ago. Seriously, there could have been so much more done but instead they just went with the laziest by-the-numbers storylines meant to push product onto store shelves for people who know nothing better would buy up because Star Wars. Except that hasn't really worked out for them, has it now? In any case, the fact random people on the internet can make more interesting story concepts on their free time can make more interesting story concepts than people who are paid money for their time spent by big companies really says how lacking the 'creative' part of Hollywood is these day's.
I loved his dynamic with Poe and i had high hopes they could have been the bromance star wars always needed and NEVER could get right.
another thing is that out of everyone in the new cast of the prequels, John Boyega knew Star Wars better than any of the other actors (aside from Mark Hamill and the OGs). Not only did the man do his homework, but he is a genuine nerd and fan of the series, so it sucks to see the one person who cares the most get pushed to the background when he was perfect for the role of a new important lineup of fresh characters in the Star Wars family. Finn will forever be a Jedi in my eyes. That's his character. That's what he was set out to be from the beginning, based on scripts, based on the actor's own testimony, based on insights within the films we got in the prequels, and even the marketing. Disney better fix it, and they have a chance to do so in the upcoming Rey series/film.
Very mature and well spoken, Alan. This is why you have one of, if not the, best Star Wars channel on RUclips.
"The best way to stop an idea is not to ban it. but rather talk and converse with those who hold that idea."
Finn facing his old comrades (literally, unmasked troopers) and reconciling compartmentalised guilt is the necessary end to his ST story, before he allows himself to become a Jedi. Maybe he’s hesitant to tell Rey, because he fears what he’s capable of.
Tales of the Jedi season 2? The bare minimum, please
Finn discovering he was a force sensitive stormtrooper would have been a better story than what we got.
*I totally agree. I'll take it in a book for sure. I'll pre-order that book TODAY if it was released this year. Hopefully that will still happen.*
Writing a story for Finn is very satisfying. Quite a few Fanfictions do this.
I quite liked his side-quest in TLJ, since it supports the main theme: 'learn from failure', and it was entertaining.
Also, rare to see you rant like that. but you have valid reason.
Thanks for putting this video out! Took the words right out of my mouth
I have said this many times. His story was an absolute missed opportunity. Can you imagine a story about how a ST rebels but refuses to just ruthlessly slaughter his former brethren because, just like him, they were victims of the Empire? A story about how he works to get an entire regiment worth of troopers to defect to the rebellion.
BTW, we don't actually have the discussions here in the US. Not really.
You can’t unsee those 12 years a slave posters. Man those were rough.
Nothing Disney did excuses the abuse some of the actors got from the so-called fans. Kelly Marie Tran is a great actress who was done wrong first the "fandom" then by Disney who punished her to appease people who did not want to be appeased.
my biggest problem with fin is how quickly he turns against the only family he knows
I feel like if we they did a story about Finn recruiting and helping other stormtroopers rehabilitate then Disney could do it in a similar style to Andor where Finn must set up networks of defectors and expand the operations. And it’s not too late either, the galaxy post RoS has a power vacuum: both the Republic n the First Order are essentially gone and there will be power grab amongst different factions giving room for individuals like Finn, Rose, and Poe a chance to step up. It will be like what Mon Mothma did after RoTJ but now we can actually see it
One of things that break finn for me that you didn't mention is that he is basically killing his excomrades and he has fun doing this.
Alan, as usual you nailed it. Disney should apologize to fans . The section starting around 14:21 is the reason why .
The director literally had legends and tons of other source material to draw from…they went for this.
boyega was 100% cast for woke points. as shown by the fact they removed him from the posters in countries that actually hate blacks.
it's actually sad that any black person cast these days instantly raises suspicions. We've had so many great women and black people in fantastic roles, but these companies have just poisoned the well.
This is what makes this channel great, Star Wars and real life learning
The more I think about it, the more I wish that Rey’s character didn’t exist. All of the things that were copied from the original trilogy would have been tolerated so much more if the story revolved around Finn. Imagine if the whole sequel trilogy was a about a First Order Stormtrooper who came to see the evils of the environment he was raised in, goes on a chaotic adventure across the galaxy, making friends along the way, defects to the Resistance, and even discovers his own Force sensitivity!
I would absolutely LOVE to see a TV series focused on Finn! His character truly would present such a unique perspective and story for viewers! I hope he returns in some capacity - film, TV, or both - where his apparent Force sensitivity is actually addressed and explored. That was one of the most disappointing parts about The Rise of Skywalker for me, that his revelation wasn’t acknowledged. Thanks again for the awesome, thoughtful content - I really enjoyed this one!
For me, Finn being black was a case of, "Oh, well that's different"... and that was it. I was more interested in the potential story of his, and like many others, I was looking forward to seeing how they would handle the teases of him possibly being at least Force-sensitive, and him being a minority was simply an extra detail. Disney really did the character of Finn and his actor dirty, and we missed out on what could have been a lot of what may have been at least interesting.
Sadly, my father was one of those who complained about a stormtrooper being portrayed by a black man, only he did not need social media to make his racism known - he regularly made that clear since he first saw the trailer. I guess back then, that should have been a warning sign for his political leanings to come.
The cherry on top: my father is Mexican and a naturalized immigrant. Like the comedian Trae Crowder said, idiots and @$$holes are immune to irony.
Finn had so much potential as a character then ruin johnson happened
A show about Finn would be amazing, put the Andor team on it!
Finn the liberator of stormtrooper sounds more fun than space Vegas riding donkeys.
Imagine First Order soldiers rebelling by painting a red hand on their helmets
Yoooo that would be terrifying I like it
Finn had so much potential, such a good chance for modern day disney!
What a waste!
Rian Johnson completely and utterly screwed over Finn/John Boyaga. Finn was a really interesting untrainted force sensitive Stormtrooper that defected. Rian Johnson used him to pad the runtime because a 2 hour slow speed chase with a general that doesn't tell her crew anything is really tedious. Finn was wasted on a 45 minute side quest to go to some casino planet where he completely fails at everything and has no impact on anything.
Right? That literally made no sense. Man that writing was horrendous.
We were all so excited. We had so much hope, and optimism, and goodwill. We were promised so much.
Finn was my favorite character; no matter how many times I got burned I was always curious to see how they would handle the former stormtrooper fighting against the only thing he's ever known. Mr. Boyega did an incredible job with the horrifically bad writing he was given.
“Finn sees the humanity in them-“
Finn: Proceeds to stab and gun down scores of troopers.
6:52
Shots. Fired.
I have given up on disney but if they hired someone like alan to give them story ideas i might, might give them another chance.
The ironic part about this entire thing is that Disney avoided their own "toxic" fans to appease the Chinese market. Disney, we WANTED the black guy! John's a great actor who got completely shafted in favor of the genocidal Chinese.
Finn being shafted is an understatement...
Love the recent attention given to Finn’s character on this channel recently. His character was done so dirty
Can I just say how grateful I am for the way that you put your finger on the painful itch that was my “minority academic scholarship“? My friends were bitter that I got free money, and I can understand why, but it’s exactly as you said: the fact that I got it because I’m Brown erased all of the work I had to do to overcome the challenges that came with being Brown.
At the same time…I don’t…I don’t think we’re going to be making movies that convince people to not be racist. The movie “Traitor” with Don Cheadle had me doing a 180 on my attitude towards Muslims, but Don looks like my dad. How are you going to convince people in an ethnic isolation chamber to lay down their victim mentality and treat with dignity people who are practically an abstraction to them? This coming from a public school teacher in an isolated, supermajority White, rural community with some Kl@n ties and strong Confederate sympathy/identity.
Finn was a fantastic character, and it made me ludicrously disappointed that they tossed him onto the sidelines like that.
John Boyaga 100% knows he was screwed over, and post interviews is NOT happy since it's a chunk of his career out the window, nevermind it now being stuck on his resume.
I would LOVE to see a series that focuses on Finn, and explores his journey in the Force.
Some good takes this time, Alan.
Many RUclipsrs don't have the integrity to admit what you said about racism in other countries vs US
Come for the star wars, stay for the lecture on ethics. I do love this channel.
"try to do a little too much" is an understatement. the Disney movies tried to have three Main Protagonists, each with their own complete and independent cast of Supporting Sidekicks. Then, doubling down on this fuckup, they tried to give each character multiple character development arcs.
The whole sequel trilogy felt like it started life on the drawing board as a plan for a full live-action series on the scale of Clone Wars, but then some new Disney exec fresh out of whatever the Corporate equivalent of West Point is decided "fuck that, put it all into a feature-length movie", and for some reason nobody told him "Sir, you're a fucking idiot, shut up and let the professionals work."
Went from dueling Kylo Ren with a saber to incapacitated by rose tico with no fight
Seeing this, think now we need a show solely based on Fin's past.
It never made sense to me that Finn was leading the charge in an expeditionary unit and then, in the very next movie, they changed him to just being a janitor. I feel like the second movie in the trilogy did him wrong, there was so much potential in The Force Awakens for John Boyega. They need to do some justice for his character.
It feels like JJ was alot more into the idea of Finn as a main character. Rian just wanted him out of the way so he could do some weird star crossed lover thing with Rey and Kylo.. which based on all the stuff Kylo did to Rey and how brutally he killed his father, made no sense.
Subverting our expectations and crushing our spirits is what Disney does best.
Alan, bro, so many good points you made. Disneys greed and negligence has divided the fanbase, but thank you for reminding us our love of star wars keeps us together.
He had nothing to do in the last movie except follow Rey around like a lost puppy.
Stormtrooper on Stormtrooper civil war would have been freaking awesome
I was looking forward to Finn being a major role. Getting to know him inside the movies and perhaps in addition stories or shows. I was very disappointed how they treated the character, and the very little they did with him.
The first order was even more strict with their stormtroopers than the empire was with their soldiers.
From what little I know of the sequels (I only watched Force Awakens) Finn got shafted so hard in the films the comics had to do extra leg work to make him actually matter as character, the same thing happened with Ren.
"They ain't going to Disney+ me..." John Boyega
Iden Versio's story from BF2 was better fleshed out.
Awesome video man, on so many levels.
One of the best yet Prof Allen 💎 15:30
They did Fin dirty. A story about a stormtrooper breaking from his programming who realizes he’s force sensitive and sets to find a master, bumps into Rey and then both adventure together to be taught by Luke would have been way better then the abomination we got.
Just watched Attack on the Block and reminded me why Finn should have been a Jedi. Great video as always Alan.
I think it's good that Disney doesn't reduce Finn or Boyega to his race. But I also think it's fine to celebrate breaking barriers. Finn is the first black lead character in the Star Wars franchise. We've had great characters like Windu and Lando but in the 30ish years the star wars franchise had been a thing, we hadn't had an actual leading black character. That's a good thing and I don't think pointing that out is a bad thing.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing they can do for the sequels is to fill in the gaps with a Clone Wars style anthology series.
I don't care if it's animated or live action, just that it does these characters any amount of justice.
Gr8 vid! There was potential with the sequels!
A great video as always, very insight full, thank you
I think Disney should do a Star Wars movie based entirely around Fin and leading up to the events of the Force Awakens/ and or reveal Finn is actually Force Sensitive or something THAT MAKES SENSE!
You sound like you're bordering a Sean Connery impression at any given moment
My own personal hindsight idea for Finn would be drop him for the most part to allow the character to do his arc in a separate media(TV show) keep his effects if his actions in the movie or have him join back up once said arc is completed off screen
Ik this video is about Finn, but why is Superman's lightsaber red?
I kinda wish we could've seen an internal conflict in Finn bouncin between the stormtrooper and the man