for anyone confused like I am by what happened at 1:23:52, he zapped a wand of digging at the central tower to open up a hole in the wall. for whatever reason the graphics don't show the hole. so it looks like immediately afterwards he zaps a wand of death through a wall, but there actually is a hole there. also, ridiculously amazing gameplay, can't believe he can play even faster than this. had to pause the video so many times to figure out what he was doing!
I'm a grad student in Software Engineering. I'm thinking about doing my thesis on Deep Reinforcement Learning, a field of AI where an agent can be trained to independently navigate an environment, such as a video game. There's a framework called NetHack Learning Environment which uses everyone's favorite UNIX game to test such AI. So TLDR; there's a chance I'll end up citing your speedrun in a paper. Good job, especially with answering everyone's questions!
@@literallyamelon9776 oh i absolutely will someday, im big into pretty much all the other traditional roguelikes, i just have a habit of getting dangerously addicted to them. (i played pretty much nothing but Cogmind through all of 2019)
Spoilers ~19:30 Excalibur 19:44 poison resist 20:20 boots of speed 22:00 random magic lamp turns out to be blessed - wish for SDSM 24:50 falls into water, loses all scrolls lol 27:00 coaligned priest and altar 33:00 discover BoH. 35:08 poly trap into vamp lord 35:50 unicorn horn finally 39:00 priest donation for +3 ac 40:00 lure wraiths from graveyard 46:40 quest complete 51:50 pickaxe, finally 56:00 Medusa kill and boots of levitation 1:00:00 castle wand 1:06:00 hell 1:10:00 AoLS, Vlad's tower 1:19:00 vibrating square 1:26:00 amulet of yendor also notably somewhere around here he gets hit by amnesia from a master mind flayer and forgets level map and magic mapping. 1:40 valley of the dead again 1:48 elemental planes
Wish spoilers ~ 1:01:23 wish: sceptre of might, magic marker, scrolls of charging 1:19:56 wish for ring of teleport control 1:20:32 wish for magic marker 1:26:55 I believe the Wizard of Yendor did his harassment summons, summoning a master lich and master mind flayer right next to him. immediately wishes for geno scrolls, only gets one and uses it to blessed genocide L 1:53:30 wish for helm of opposite alignment
What a difference to see someone who actually knows what's he doing. Sometimes I have to stop playing in order to think/read about a monster or effect before actually knowing what to do next
@@vrak24 I know what you mean. I had 2 hp, deathly ill, in front of Demogorgon and looking for anything useful on the wiki. Spoiler alert: Elbereth + rubber chicken FTW
Thank you guys! I feel so much more motivated to bit the game. (never actually got thither then level 14, tried many times. And it's just so nice to see that it's possible)
:O I've been playing for 2 years now and I've still not gotten an ascension. I got all the way down once but got drowned by a kraken while ascending the tower. But you're really good! I can't believe how quick you did it!
20 years and waiting. Still, I refuse to use the wiki or take notes, have a terrible memory, and was been addicted to playing the April Fool's 2013 version of DCSS until my HD bricked itself this year and I lost the build version.
@@KnjazNazrath You can essentially take notes in-game. That's what I do. You can name an apple, "Quest 13th floor," for instance. Also, are you not looking at the Wiki so as not to use spoilers? I think that's admirable, but if you watched this video, you sort of spoiled it right? Also, from what I have read, nobody has ever been this game without use of spoilers. So, if you do it, please be sure to let everyone know.
He said in Vlad's tower he doesn't have poison resistance but he got it really early in the run by eating a spider or something. I guess he forgot / didn't notice.
That was impressive as hell. I played Nethack only once when I was like 14. Literally decades ago. I just remember having a bunch of pets, then the keystone kops came after me and I did an earthquake. Absolute bedlam. I mostly played Angband, so I had a little understanding of how the game worked, but obviously very different.
I played a wizard and started with a ring of poly control once. Then I drank from a fountain and got polymorphed. I chose master lich and was super happy for 5 turns... until it wore off. Another time I used my starting wand of polymorph on my pet a few times and rolled some type of lich, even though I was still around 3rd level. Then I got paralyzed somehow (careless with a floating eye I think) and died to a newt because my lich pet just stood around for, no joke, 300 turns and let it bite me to death. I was so unbelievably mad.
so yeah, helm of briliance may help agaisnt mindflayers. You can poly to xorn and just go through the castle walls also you can't drown. Also you can freeze the water and walk over it and smash the drawbridge in. Ring of regen and ring of conflict are good.
12:58 "Stethescope costs less than a turn" Not quite. It costs a turn to use, but with the exception that if it's not been used this turn it is a free action.
He also said that all four riders were on the Astral plane (1:50:37), including War, even though you can't actually encounter War. Technically, though, he's probably right that all four riders are there... I guess...
It's tough but possible; Valkyries have the third largest spellcasting penalty in the game (behind Barbarians and Cavemen). To compensate, you'll need a Robe, high wisdom, reasonably high level (at least 12, preferably at least 15), and no metallic body armor--dragon scale mail does fine. Then you should be able to cast some spells, though probably not anything higher than a level 3 spell. All of this is possible, but it's normally not until fairly late in the game that you have the ability to have all of this.
Ok. This is epic. And great commentary/questions. Gives me a new perspective on the game, should be helpful. How many years have I been playing this game on and off? Perhaps one day I’ll ascend lol!
I know, right? I'm working on a D&D module based on Nethack and this video helped me get an idea of the steps you need to win the game and how my players would need to do them. (Obviously the final module will be way smaller than the actual game, probably 5-10 levels instead of 50).
@@lightning_11 Oh wow, that is super cool! Because who hasn't wanted to roleplay as a Tourist?! Terry Pratchett would be proud =) Best of luck my fellow adventurer
@@JosephAlanMeador The module is currently just a stand-alone adventure with a few extra mechanics you can add to your campaign world. You bring up a good point, though, that it would be really neat to add in the Nethack classes, too. But... adding all 6 classes (Archeologist, Tourist, Healer, Caveman, Valkeiry, and Samari), though, seems pretty daunting right now. Thanks for the idea that might take up all my time for a few months at some point in the future... :/
I have ascended quite a few times, but I never utilized Elbereth. This is the first time I have seen anyone play, and I could see that he uses it quite often. It seems kind of like a weird mechanic, to me.
The monsters of the dungeon respect/fear Elbereth so engraving her name means you're under her protection while standing on it. So many enemies will not touch you so long as you don't touch them.
That's hardcore to me. But I am a baby who hasn't ascended - my runs end somewhere around minetown usually because I am not patient enough or overconfident. And I have been playing on/off for literally decades. Mostly off which explains things.
@@oz_jones Decades? That's crazy. I think it took me about a year or so before I had my first ascension. Of course, I used spoilers quite liberally. What role are you using? Knight, Valk, or Samurai are probably the way to go if you've never ascended, as they are generally considered the easiest (minus Wizard, which requires a bit of knowledge and save-scumming). The game is challenging, but patience goes a long way. After playing for 30 minutes or so, force yourself to take a break. When you get impatient, that's when you experience YASD.
If the um... uhhh... umm, get's annoying, you can watch in x2 speed for the commentary, then pause and go back to 0.5 when something interesting happens in the gameplay.
![NetHack [Any% (3.7.0)] by luxidream - #ESASummer21](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/06033CzBP7E/mqdefault.jpg)
thats exactly what i would expect a nethack speedrunner to look like
And it looks glorious!
*tips fedora*
So glad your world view got confirmed :D
yep
He actually looks good, he‘s just fat and has a squeaky voice and weird demeanoe
"I'm very good at hoping bad things don't happen" :D
for anyone confused like I am by what happened at 1:23:52, he zapped a wand of digging at the central tower to open up a hole in the wall. for whatever reason the graphics don't show the hole. so it looks like immediately afterwards he zaps a wand of death through a wall, but there actually is a hole there.
also, ridiculously amazing gameplay, can't believe he can play even faster than this. had to pause the video so many times to figure out what he was doing!
I'm a grad student in Software Engineering. I'm thinking about doing my thesis on Deep Reinforcement Learning, a field of AI where an agent can be trained to independently navigate an environment, such as a video game. There's a framework called NetHack Learning Environment which uses everyone's favorite UNIX game to test such AI.
So TLDR; there's a chance I'll end up citing your speedrun in a paper. Good job, especially with answering everyone's questions!
Ive never played Nethack and this was amazing!
Commentary made me invested and able to keep up the whole time!
Definitely play it. It’s free so definitely try it. I still have never beaten it, or even begun the ascension, but it’s still incredibly fun.
@@literallyamelon9776 oh i absolutely will someday, im big into pretty much all the other traditional roguelikes, i just have a habit of getting dangerously addicted to them. (i played pretty much nothing but Cogmind through all of 2019)
Nethack was amazing, and the commentary on this video made it at least 10 times better.
Spoilers
~19:30 Excalibur
19:44 poison resist
20:20 boots of speed
22:00 random magic lamp turns out to be blessed - wish for SDSM
24:50 falls into water, loses all scrolls lol
27:00 coaligned priest and altar
33:00 discover BoH.
35:08 poly trap into vamp lord
35:50 unicorn horn finally
39:00 priest donation for +3 ac
40:00 lure wraiths from graveyard
46:40 quest complete
51:50 pickaxe, finally
56:00 Medusa kill and boots of levitation
1:00:00 castle wand
1:06:00 hell
1:10:00 AoLS, Vlad's tower
1:19:00 vibrating square
1:26:00 amulet of yendor
also notably somewhere around here he gets hit by amnesia from a master mind flayer and forgets level map and magic mapping.
1:40 valley of the dead again
1:48 elemental planes
Wish spoilers
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1:01:23 wish: sceptre of might, magic marker, scrolls of charging
1:19:56 wish for ring of teleport control
1:20:32 wish for magic marker
1:26:55 I believe the Wizard of Yendor did his harassment summons, summoning a master lich and master mind flayer right next to him. immediately wishes for geno scrolls, only gets one and uses it to blessed genocide L
1:53:30 wish for helm of opposite alignment
Wow, good eye. Even he didn't notice the poison resistance.
Has 1 wish, "blessed fixed greased +2 sliver dragon scale mail" i have never played this game, i need to!
"blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail" is the right answer, he only went with +2 'cos it's safer for live runs
Stay away from GPA wrecker. You'll never get your life back.
@@johnemory7485 what means GPA wrecker?
@@jamesantonisenior4855 pretty sure they mean that it will take so much of your time that your GPA (grade point average, school marks) will go down
@@kiraPh1234k I see, ty
>I'm from finland
PERKELE
What a difference to see someone who actually knows what's he doing.
Sometimes I have to stop playing in order to think/read about a monster or effect before actually knowing what to do next
Ill spend like 30 mins going down a nethack wiki rabbit hole every 15 mins of gameplay lmao
@@vrak24 I know what you mean. I had 2 hp, deathly ill, in front of Demogorgon and looking for anything useful on the wiki.
Spoiler alert: Elbereth + rubber chicken FTW
Neat run and nice on-the-fly commentary!
i read this "neat and neat and neat on the commentary"....
is that what you call dyslexia
Thank you guys! I feel so much more motivated to bit the game. (never actually got thither then level 14, tried many times. And it's just so nice to see that it's possible)
I love these oddly specific wishes.
Fixed, blessed and greased!
Watching this on 0.5 speed just to have some idea what's going on. Good stuff. Extremely eerie at 0.5, but good.
What a guy! Love the hat & his mad skill. Nethack is very hard, compared to shiny new roguelikes.
The shopkeeper at ~11:00 is called Tuktoyaktuk, which is a hamlet in the Northwest Territories.
ive been playing this for 20 years and nevver got through level 15 or so , this guy is not human
I have nothing but admiration for players of that level. I'd be happy to win at Rogue, whereas Nethack is beyond me.
:O I've been playing for 2 years now and I've still not gotten an ascension. I got all the way down once but got drowned by a kraken while ascending the tower. But you're really good! I can't believe how quick you did it!
20 years and waiting. Still, I refuse to use the wiki or take notes, have a terrible memory, and was been addicted to playing the April Fool's 2013 version of DCSS until my HD bricked itself this year and I lost the build version.
Monolith Preacher why would you avoid the wiki or notes? I don’t use notes but I sure as hell read the wiki.
kraken are usually the third thing i genocide ^^
@@KnjazNazrath You can essentially take notes in-game. That's what I do. You can name an apple, "Quest 13th floor," for instance. Also, are you not looking at the Wiki so as not to use spoilers? I think that's admirable, but if you watched this video, you sort of spoiled it right?
Also, from what I have read, nobody has ever been this game without use of spoilers. So, if you do it, please be sure to let everyone know.
@@KnjazNazrath Oh, ouch.
Thanks for uploading this!
Total chad nethack speedrunner is also a haskell programmer
That almost was a deal breaker, but honestly his chadness overpowers everything else
He said in Vlad's tower he doesn't have poison resistance but he got it really early in the run by eating a spider or something. I guess he forgot / didn't notice.
That was impressive as hell.
I played Nethack only once when I was like 14. Literally decades ago. I just remember having a bunch of pets, then the keystone kops came after me and I did an earthquake. Absolute bedlam.
I mostly played Angband, so I had a little understanding of how the game worked, but obviously very different.
I played a wizard and started with a ring of poly control once. Then I drank from a fountain and got polymorphed. I chose master lich and was super happy for 5 turns... until it wore off. Another time I used my starting wand of polymorph on my pet a few times and rolled some type of lich, even though I was still around 3rd level. Then I got paralyzed somehow (careless with a floating eye I think) and died to a newt because my lich pet just stood around for, no joke, 300 turns and let it bite me to death. I was so unbelievably mad.
when i was a kid i turned off pets in the files because i always felt really bad about having them die lol
Well, clearly this has to be animated now. :D
about vamp lords and stoning resistance ... that extra bite attack the vamps have turns you into stone even if the cock dies (tested in 3.6.x)
Absolute hero
so yeah, helm of briliance may help agaisnt mindflayers. You can poly to xorn and just go through the castle walls also you can't drown. Also you can freeze the water and walk over it and smash the drawbridge in. Ring of regen and ring of conflict are good.
22:44
Beggars can't be choosers.
Ok back in the day hell was resitant to wands of diging and pick axes
12:58
"Stethescope costs less than a turn"
Not quite. It costs a turn to use, but with the exception that if it's not been used this turn it is a free action.
That's Nethack
He also said that all four riders were on the Astral plane (1:50:37), including War, even though you can't actually encounter War. Technically, though, he's probably right that all four riders are there... I guess...
@@lightning_11 Akshually, supertechnically no. You become War after you ascend.
@@oz_jones Oh, so he wasn't right until after he completed the run, at which point all four riders _were_ on the plane.
towel is always useful
IKR
Starts at 3:10
Does anyone know what font is used here?
Monaco
Is it possible to play a spellcasting valkyrie?
It's tough but possible; Valkyries have the third largest spellcasting penalty in the game (behind Barbarians and Cavemen). To compensate, you'll need a Robe, high wisdom, reasonably high level (at least 12, preferably at least 15), and no metallic body armor--dragon scale mail does fine. Then you should be able to cast some spells, though probably not anything higher than a level 3 spell. All of this is possible, but it's normally not until fairly late in the game that you have the ability to have all of this.
@@lseths Thanks!
I think the guy talking is the brother of Aaron Swartz.
Ok. This is epic. And great commentary/questions. Gives me a new perspective on the game, should be helpful. How many years have I been playing this game on and off? Perhaps one day I’ll ascend lol!
I know, right? I'm working on a D&D module based on Nethack and this video helped me get an idea of the steps you need to win the game and how my players would need to do them. (Obviously the final module will be way smaller than the actual game, probably 5-10 levels instead of 50).
@@lightning_11 Oh wow, that is super cool! Because who hasn't wanted to roleplay as a Tourist?! Terry Pratchett would be proud =) Best of luck my fellow adventurer
@@JosephAlanMeador The module is currently just a stand-alone adventure with a few extra mechanics you can add to your campaign world. You bring up a good point, though, that it would be really neat to add in the Nethack classes, too. But... adding all 6 classes (Archeologist, Tourist, Healer, Caveman, Valkeiry, and Samari), though, seems pretty daunting right now. Thanks for the idea that might take up all my time for a few months at some point in the future... :/
@@lightning_11 ah, gotcha! Hey, that sounds like a lot of work already. The Nethack setting alone is pretty cool mate
=)
sicko. I like it
I have ascended quite a few times, but I never utilized Elbereth. This is the first time I have seen anyone play, and I could see that he uses it quite often. It seems kind of like a weird mechanic, to me.
The monsters of the dungeon respect/fear Elbereth so engraving her name means you're under her protection while standing on it. So many enemies will not touch you so long as you don't touch them.
@@requiemqaz Yes, I understand how it works. I am just saying that it is a strange mechanic.
That's hardcore to me. But I am a baby who hasn't ascended - my runs end somewhere around minetown usually because I am not patient enough or overconfident. And I have been playing on/off for literally decades. Mostly off which explains things.
@@oz_jones Decades? That's crazy.
I think it took me about a year or so before I had my first ascension. Of course, I used spoilers quite liberally.
What role are you using? Knight, Valk, or Samurai are probably the way to go if you've never ascended, as they are generally considered the easiest (minus Wizard, which requires a bit of knowledge and save-scumming).
The game is challenging, but patience goes a long way. After playing for 30 minutes or so, force yourself to take a break. When you get impatient, that's when you experience YASD.
Why did he pray for food when he was only 'weak'? Surely you would want pray cooldown to be out when there's a curse or OoD?
He probably did not want to risking fainting
@@psyantologist Yes, the next level of hunger after Weak is Fainting - which is very bad.
ok, i like poly to xorn.
Why play the older version?
because it is easier. lots of things have been nerfed for 3.6
Also Vlad is no longer a joke.
4:19 "Money is money."
🌈The more you know🌈
I think he meant that $ is money...
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Why have I never heard of this game? I must have been playing 'Jet' ms dos
Torille!
If the um... uhhh... umm, get's annoying, you can watch in x2 speed for the commentary, then pause and go back to 0.5 when something interesting happens in the gameplay.
The commentary was so wrong :( but the gameplay was solid
No, it was just his hair.
I thought the commentary was excellent. Can't play-by-play a speedrun anyway.
Why are you playing 3.4.3 instead of 3.6.0?
kered13 it's faster I believe
the 3.6 changes to Elbereth in particular makes a lot of the early game strats used here no longer viable
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played by a terrible hat and narrated by discount markiplier
Only this kind of hats can hold eldtrich powers such as identification by price
@@tehrik0020 _Blessed ErodeProof +9 Fedora of Price Identification._