I got her 4.5 version and i finally got motivation to play the game again, gonna save for next years re runn banner for Eva now, somewhat redeemed my lost love for the game for the past 3 months.
Thanks again for advice the other day! I winded up pulling Flammelapis now too! Watched your "who to pick for star dream" video and if I wind up doing it, think I should probably go with Pizzica now
I got 4.5* Flamme in 4k CS, pretty lucky there. Still farming her Skadi tome in BKC VH AD. I gotta say, she's made BKC farming so easy, courtesy of Houle Trechoo (her 0 MP move). She's 30 levels under the recommended lvl 72 (so she doesn't have optimal equipment. I haven't even unlocked grasta yet), yet she OHKO's most of the mobs, except the Chimeras. We'll see how well Flamme ages, but so far she's a keeper.
For me, Flammelapis is a mob slayer. Sure she is a great unit for boss fight. Make her team with Tsubame AS, with her break first, Tsubame just slay those mobs and even some horrors like butter OTK.
Can't wait to play her character quests. I finally got the Skadi tome in Beast King Castle very hard and she is destroying all the enemies with Neptune, in mid game, including the enemies that resist water/magic. I'm guessing if she uses Neptune in turn 1, and no other team members attack, the automatic Break means Neptune does 3000x2=6000% damage. This is so satisfying to see big numbers. I use her with Chiyo AS and Horai Jewel followed by Neptune brings big numbers. Hoping to experiment with other team members and strategies, but I still have lots to learn about strategies. I'm even struggling with True Manifest Suzette battle
Thanks for the review. In my opinion the stun during af isnt really a problem. The thing is she can't be protected outside of af even with stan res badge or other status immunity buffs..
Man I was pulling for Garambarel and her banner cos I'm using and building fire and wind team and I really really liked her art and thought she is a FIRE unit and then when I got lucky and got her I was surprised to learn that she's a water unit lmao and I kinda got disappointed but after using her while leveling I tried switching her to frontline so I can get break to clear mob faster only to get surprised again to oneshot the mob lol and my disappointment instantly got blown away
Good video wil. Glad you mentioned prai and his auto stun as i used that as a basis to help clear some of those trials i hadnt tackled yet. A thought, is she the first character who doesn't fit in any of the 3 time periods/parallel worlds? (Her time periods is 1000 years prior to the present time period)
logged on another a long time of inactivity just to summon and decided to pull and got her 5* on 1st try. i swear they're trying to hook me to come back
She dealt a lot of dmg even with low grasta and only have break and magic zone. I hope I can get Yuna's last treatise so I can have a water zone setter to start bully true fire spirit trial XD
She is best paired with Radica AS after 3 turns while doing AF with Neptune, like what you did with your example. Radica's Flamme Destinee move restore all status while being used while also charging AF since it is a magic type move , that should remove Flammelapis' stun. (Lol is the name Flamme a coincidence?) (Also since I don't have Flammelapis can anyone confirm this?)
You are right. I don't have AS Radica either, but I stumbled across a JP player's video today, which the title translates to "Radica x Flamme Destroys Everything". Flamme Destinee works to cure Stun status. And guess what, it was demonstrated on the same Enenra + Protection Demon Dual Hachiyo battle Wil did. Video: ruclips.net/video/RFxD_d18j6Q/видео.html
Flammelapis work well with eva? Or have better character for using wish? I have on my party Pizzica Mistrare as hismena ac Eva Necoco as Hardy as Radias as Alma Suzete ac I dont have on my team Tsubane as Byaka as Flammelapis Shion ac Lele as Claude as Yapha as Orleya Milsha as Dewey ac Some from they are better than flamelapis for my team?
AC Shion with Flamme and Eva will destroy anything vulnerable to water or magic. Once you get AS Chiyo to set pain/poison your magic team will be awesome. You can also use Alma there for now. But remember you can mix your team depending on what you do. Overworld should carry different elements/weapon types in case but the majority of the time Flamme can solo it. Hope this helps. Check my Back to Basics playlist for more tips on team builds and other topics.
@@WilMakGamerDad okayy thanks I will go for flammelapis e shion ac and chyou as im farming too for chants and tomes for my chyou and shion! After making a water team i will go for another element Thankss helped me a lot!
I was hoping you would showcase Neptune vs Gygeas Spring. Which one would you say is better in terms of DPS/using in AF (even if you use status recovery for Neptune's stun)?
For combo multiplier her Spring does do a 4x hit but I prefer Neptune due to AoE and sheer DPS. Neptune is the more powerful move in AF but Spring would be used turn 4 and beyond outside AF. Sorry I didn’t demonstrate it.
I sadly stop summon for her i need the stones for the alter characters and suzette es and got void bow with eva but for the others im to weak tried land avatar and the crab but land avatar keeps killing me because my tsubame dont make enough dmg to him even with the grasta setup for her and big thanks to you because of you i was able to get my tsubame as op
So does the guarantee stun post turn 3 bypass status shield from people like Rosetta? Cause if it doesn't then you would get more AF gain due to not having to remove status everytime with a non attacking skill
Hi may i know if my team ald had these units, es nagi, eva, flamme, pizica, what other unit do i have to aim for to make a complete team? Should i upgrade necoco and sidegrade melina es? Ty for reading
Those two units are great and can be sidegraded. For water magic teams you’ll need a zone setter (Eva is better starting in the front), or grasta that helps you do that. Otherwise just customize your team depending on your needs. For example, Necoco isn’t used on magic zone teams but can be useful in physical water DPS teams.
I think 5 chants is well worth it, but depends how many chants you have, and if you plan to side grade any other characters, like alter units for example. Once you have Future Garulea AD unlocked, chants are not too hard to get compared to early game.
@@bloodmay In Future Garulea AD, the final chest in one of the final maps (i.e. Satelite Stadium) has a flat 10% chance of getting a chant script. But this map requires exchanging 30 items (similar to "junk" in present garulea AD). Each Future Garulea AD run can farm from 5 - 10 of these items, so on average you can visit this chant-script-boosted-rate-map every 3-6 runs.
@@bloodmay Thanks for correcting me! :) sorry I had a bad memory. I see, I'm not up to Underworld yet, only just got future garulea AD recently, and just playing casually hahaha
Good review will, u are right about the fact that eva and flame are 2 units that cant really be compared directly. Eva has a stronger single target water attack in the form of icicle zorch and better self setup to make it super strong, along with an int buff as well, which flame doesnt have. Makes eva good at soloing single bosses, better than flamelapis in my opinion. Eva also has crystal damage coverage. Which helps her deal with enemies that resist water quite well. Like the latest hachiyo boss rush for example. However eva isnt great at dealing with multiple enemies. Her only real aoe crystal move reduces in power the more enemies there are in battle, while flamelapis has the mega nuke 3000% aoe, which is unparalleled. Especially with break synergy. I also tried using flamelapis to take out the nagsham dummies, u can check it out here if u want to see the potential she has if u are interested ruclips.net/video/bLz4Q-3iE-U/видео.html
Very nice video! Yeah Astral Drago is a nice AoE but of course it’s crystal. Neptune is just OP. I’ll have to experiment some more with Flamme over the next few weeks to bring more out of her. And as you said Eva is a solo boss killer for sure. Icicle Zorch self boosts and breaks each time which is great. Either way using both on a water team will be fun!
@@WilMakGamerDad yes. They do work well together. Same with nagi es who also does similar dmg to flamelapis against weakness but requires pain poison status to work.
Only downside is that she makes the game too easy, especially if you got Eva too. I have most of the top units but these two stands out as the absolute demolisher of horrors and super bosses.
It looks like she wants to be the main player and everyone else buffs her. Most of her moves scale with number of buffs so I guess everyone else buffs her up and she kills.
to add to that, you can't spam neptune during AF (at least for me. I used it like 3 times and she got stun afterward). Either that is a bug or that is on purpose and it is a hindrance more than benefit
She is very strong indeed very similar to ES Nagi tbh. Absolutely massive AOE Water damage IN THE FIRST 3 turns in exchange for... lack of self-buffs on her own skills so she kinda depends a lot on outside support to help her achieve her full potential. In specific Neptune which has a 3000% damage mod and guarranteered crit BUT stuns her after 3 turns so you will have to plan it out carefully to maximise this skill. Baptiso Soul which gives mental focus and a huge ass 60% Water Attack buff BUT kinda contradicts her own kit because it will waste a turn so again, be careful when using this skill. La Mer Archon which is an absolutely MASSIVE debuff of PWR, INT and SPD and can easily singlehandedly wins you a fight. Gygeas Spring is one of the best ST Water skill in the entire game which deals absolutely massive damage and has guarranteered crit so you dont even need a magic crit settler for her. Definitely one of the best units in the game atm no doubts. She is the quinessential AF abuser since you can pop all her skills without worrying bout the 3T gimmick and can easily carry you through 90% of all the fights in the game atm. HOWEVER with that being said, she is SIGNIFICANTLY powercrept as a WATER UNIT by the upcoming AS Philo who has all her benefits but without any drawbacks. In JP all the new fights heavily punishes AF abusers and stall teams are dominant there so BE CAREFUL about over-relying on Flamme as your Water DPS because its very likely that there will be a lot of content which cant be finished in 3 turns and unfortunately for Flamme, she is only half a unit (IYKWIM) she was after 3 turns.
Okay, clearly you haven't read everything as closely as you should have, because most of your points here are completely wrong if you just read their skills I will start with the AF punishing jp bosses point: Already wrong. The last EPS, Patel, is like, the most easily cheese-able EPS with Another Force into just start nuking with stuff like Flammelapis or eot abuse. APRX-Sophie: Okay, she does punish AF users, but she is a boss designed to be stalled regardless (Like the EPS... Well, look where we are at), and you can AF the crystals down in 1 turn, just quite hard to do so, then Prai indigence can tank one of the crystal dying nukes, and you have 10 stacks on her. I don't see the issue. And if you are talking the new Mobius content, yet again, what's stopping you from building bar and just abusing it? With stuff like Flamme, you never have to worry about mp, so that's not an issue. I fail to see this "all the new JP content punishes AF spammers" when that's what we all said when Murphy dropped, and yet Murphy has be 1 turned with 4 units: Flammelapis, Eva, AS Otoha, ES Miyu. Now, notice how Philo AS ISN'T IN THAT LIST. That will be important for later. Second point: What do you mean, "Flamme needs other support and you need to be careful while considering that?" Why would you not build a team around a nuker or two? Make them deal more obscene damage while in some cases, like Boss Rush, keep them alive while they nuke stuff one boss after another. I fail to see where your argument gains ground. Flamme has no self buffs? She has mental focus and 30% water type attack + in Baptous Soul. Sure, it's only 2 buffs, but they are well and away more than sufficient to just have other party members cover int and type res down (Oh look, we have Gariyu for free who can buff int and staff damage. Or if you don't like free units, Myrus AS is still a top tier int buffer with spd buffs as well. Not to mention, you can just slap staffs prayer on her to buff Flammes damage more. Type res down? There are a million sources of that. Pick your poison) If you are trying to use the buff argument against Philo AS, he has 35% ax damage and 20% pwr buff, and a straight up 25 pwr upgrade (Max stacks 3, 50 pwr) A Sophia-esk Hold Ground. Okay, some things to work with you might think. Well, think it's time to transition into my third point then. Third point: Philo AS has an insane amount of drawbacks. You want to talk about Flammes drawbacks? She is fast, great job clearer, stupid damage thanks to her mental focus, and doesn't lose nearly as much as you think she does from the 3 turn requirement. The only thing she really loses is the double water damage buff effect on Baptous Soul and gets stunned with Neptune. Doesn't lose crit. Don't know where you got that from. And her other 5* skill loses literally nothing. Let's talk about that then. If Neptune spam is out of the equation, then you can spam her buff scaling move (Which, with equipment, grasta enhancements, and other party members, since we are counting a full party here, since Philo AS is a sitting duck solo, is not hard to achieve at all) Her other skill, sure, only single target, can have some annoying hampers in the skill. But nevertheless, 1920% mod is quite solid. Add mental focus from Baptous Soul every 3 turns, 4817 mod. 4 turn damage output with that is Baptous Soul (no damage) + her other skill 3 times, or 4817*3=14451% mod. That's still a higher mod than Philo AS's 12000% mod you keep preaching about. And there is absolutely no drawback here. Just keep on pumping the damage out like there is no tomorrow. Philo AS on the other hand, has a number of drawbacks. For starters, he has 150ish base speed, making him one of the slowest characters in the game, and with bosses that have 220 speed MINIMUM, he is going to get outsped all the time. Second, he needs a non attacking skill to stack up his World Tree stacks, which leaves him powerless, since the hold ground isn't doing anything if he is so slow, and the hold ground can't save you from pain or poison damage. But of course you might be saying; I've been using the full party argument this entire time! Why does that matter? Because for Philo, you need a load of maintenance to keep him alive while he stacks up his World Tree stacks (Stacking them in AF doesn't fill bar, and defeats the purpose of his mod) which goes into another specific requirement: Full AF bar. Without a full AF bar, he doesn't get that 12000% mod. So, 3 turns of using a non attacking move (Since you gain one per use) and a full AF bar, then 12000% Okay, sounds cool on paper. Then, back to flamme. Mental focus (non attacking skill) then 4817*3 for three turns, for 14451%. Still the same amount of turns. 4 turn output. Easy to compare. Flamme is doing more damage, faster, and is WAY LESS overly specific, as you can AF whenever you need, while with Philo, you cannot. Also, on your Nagi ES to Flamme point; Nagi needs full bar and lunatic for max power on her skills, Flamme can just get out the gate and kill stuff, AF whenever, and not restricted to 3 turns for maximum damage. Oh, and it's a crystal/water magic vs a pure water mage. They do different things regardless of whatever arguments I would make about them, so no point to compare them
I use ES Nagi, Eva and Flamme together in the same team for water comps, they work well together.
I got her 4.5 version and i finally got motivation to play the game again, gonna save for next years re runn banner for Eva now, somewhat redeemed my lost love for the game for the past 3 months.
It's all thanks to Flamme that I can reach the dmg goal in the fire purgatory trial. 🥰
Thanks again for advice the other day! I winded up pulling Flammelapis now too!
Watched your "who to pick for star dream" video and if I wind up doing it, think I should probably go with Pizzica now
I got 4.5* Flamme in 4k CS, pretty lucky there. Still farming her Skadi tome in BKC VH AD. I gotta say, she's made BKC farming so easy, courtesy of Houle Trechoo (her 0 MP move). She's 30 levels under the recommended lvl 72 (so she doesn't have optimal equipment. I haven't even unlocked grasta yet), yet she OHKO's most of the mobs, except the Chimeras. We'll see how well Flamme ages, but so far she's a keeper.
For me, Flammelapis is a mob slayer. Sure she is a great unit for boss fight. Make her team with Tsubame AS, with her break first, Tsubame just slay those mobs and even some horrors like butter OTK.
That's the same thing I do 😂 so strong its ridiculous
Can't wait to play her character quests. I finally got the Skadi tome in Beast King Castle very hard and she is destroying all the enemies with Neptune, in mid game, including the enemies that resist water/magic. I'm guessing if she uses Neptune in turn 1, and no other team members attack, the automatic Break means Neptune does 3000x2=6000% damage. This is so satisfying to see big numbers. I use her with Chiyo AS and Horai Jewel followed by Neptune brings big numbers. Hoping to experiment with other team members and strategies, but I still have lots to learn about strategies. I'm even struggling with True Manifest Suzette battle
Don't forget that Neptune auto crits so you're actually getting a 12k mod skill due to 3000x2x2=1200%
@@huyhoangminhdo7738 Wow! that's so good, and it's AoE damage too XD
As someone who uses AS kikyo once said
Once those self stuns start,
Ya might as well restart.
Kikyo only stuns once after her overdrive runs out in 3 turns. So it's nowhere near as bad as Flamme, lol.
Thanks for the review. In my opinion the stun during af isnt really a problem. The thing is she can't be protected outside of af even with stan res badge or other status immunity buffs..
Yup similar to Prai.
Man I was pulling for Garambarel and her banner cos I'm using and building fire and wind team and I really really liked her art and thought she is a FIRE unit and then when I got lucky and got her I was surprised to learn that she's a water unit lmao and I kinda got disappointed but after using her while leveling I tried switching her to frontline so I can get break to clear mob faster only to get surprised again to oneshot the mob lol and my disappointment instantly got blown away
Finally you've got it
Good video wil. Glad you mentioned prai and his auto stun as i used that as a basis to help clear some of those trials i hadnt tackled yet. A thought, is she the first character who doesn't fit in any of the 3 time periods/parallel worlds? (Her time periods is 1000 years prior to the present time period)
Hmmm, not sure!
logged on another a long time of inactivity just to summon and decided to pull and got her 5* on 1st try. i swear they're trying to hook me to come back
Congrats!
Just 255ed her😺, she’s an Absolute monster.
Garam next?
Soon! I have yet another unit to review before him, as you'll see shortly ;)
She dealt a lot of dmg even with low grasta and only have break and magic zone.
I hope I can get Yuna's last treatise so I can have a water zone setter to start bully true fire spirit trial XD
Watching this again because I am considering to get her with SDE. 😁
She is best paired with Radica AS after 3 turns while doing AF with Neptune, like what you did with your example. Radica's Flamme Destinee move restore all status while being used while also charging AF since it is a magic type move , that should remove Flammelapis' stun. (Lol is the name Flamme a coincidence?) (Also since I don't have Flammelapis can anyone confirm this?)
Hmm if that works I'll have to sidegrade Radica soon!
@Toru Sato I see, but you can spam it while in AF right?
You are right. I don't have AS Radica either, but I stumbled across a JP player's video today, which the title translates to "Radica x Flamme Destroys Everything". Flamme Destinee works to cure Stun status. And guess what, it was demonstrated on the same Enenra + Protection Demon Dual Hachiyo battle Wil did.
Video: ruclips.net/video/RFxD_d18j6Q/видео.html
@@MsNinian1 woaw, that's nice, they really are a deadly combo. So Flammelapis was 6 months ago!? But I still don't have her XD
Flammelapis work well with eva? Or have better character for using wish?
I have on my party
Pizzica
Mistrare as
hismena ac
Eva
Necoco as
Hardy as
Radias as
Alma
Suzete ac
I dont have on my team
Tsubane as
Byaka as
Flammelapis
Shion ac
Lele as
Claude as
Yapha as
Orleya
Milsha as
Dewey ac
Some from they are better than flamelapis for my team?
AC Shion with Flamme and Eva will destroy anything vulnerable to water or magic. Once you get AS Chiyo to set pain/poison your magic team will be awesome. You can also use Alma there for now. But remember you can mix your team depending on what you do. Overworld should carry different elements/weapon types in case but the majority of the time Flamme can solo it. Hope this helps. Check my Back to Basics playlist for more tips on team builds and other topics.
@@WilMakGamerDad okayy thanks
I will go for flammelapis e shion ac and chyou as im farming too for chants and tomes for my chyou and shion!
After making a water team i will go for another element
Thankss helped me a lot!
I was hoping you would showcase Neptune vs Gygeas Spring. Which one would you say is better in terms of DPS/using in AF (even if you use status recovery for Neptune's stun)?
For combo multiplier her Spring does do a 4x hit but I prefer Neptune due to AoE and sheer DPS. Neptune is the more powerful move in AF but Spring would be used turn 4 and beyond outside AF. Sorry I didn’t demonstrate it.
I sadly stop summon for her i need the stones for the alter characters and suzette es and got void bow with eva but for the others im to weak tried land avatar and the crab but land avatar keeps killing me because my tsubame dont make enough dmg to him even with the grasta setup for her and big thanks to you because of you i was able to get my tsubame as op
I pulled flammelapis watch this video😂 cant wait to run her and eva together.
So does the guarantee stun post turn 3 bypass status shield from people like Rosetta? Cause if it doesn't then you would get more AF gain due to not having to remove status everytime with a non attacking skill
No it doesn’t unfortunately
Bro whats the best grasta for her? Triple pain or 2 water grasta and deadly blow staff ?
Triple pain is always best unless you need specialized strategies
@@WilMakGamerDad alright thankssss 😁
I got her 4 star. Need to farm that skadi tome
im still trying to get her. 9k cs so far
Good luck!
Idea:
the Void Weapon Guards Redux
Waste them with the least turns possible, using your current team.
I’m not that skilled 😅
@@WilMakGamerDad maybe with the least turns you need?
Hi may i know if my team ald had these units, es nagi, eva, flamme, pizica, what other unit do i have to aim for to make a complete team? Should i upgrade necoco and sidegrade melina es? Ty for reading
Those two units are great and can be sidegraded. For water magic teams you’ll need a zone setter (Eva is better starting in the front), or grasta that helps you do that. Otherwise just customize your team depending on your needs. For example, Necoco isn’t used on magic zone teams but can be useful in physical water DPS teams.
Is melina og worth side grade since I've already rolled es and as melina not sure if her OG does anything the others don't
No unless you want the stat boost for the other versions by having her at level 80
wait a sec wheres that zone setter coming from? on enenra fight
It’s a water zone grasta you get from the Malefics boss rush EX3
where is area heal badge I'm looking for it for a rematch also where is the best banner for Eva?
I think it’s from the recent boss rush stages though I can’t remember exactly. I’m sorry. Currently there’s no rate up banner for Eva unfortunately.
Is she worth the 5 chant scripts?
100% worth it. shes been clearing alot of content for me. she is SSS tier for sure!
Yes definitely worth it!
I think 5 chants is well worth it, but depends how many chants you have, and if you plan to side grade any other characters, like alter units for example. Once you have Future Garulea AD unlocked, chants are not too hard to get compared to early game.
@@bloodmay In Future Garulea AD, the final chest in one of the final maps (i.e. Satelite Stadium) has a flat 10% chance of getting a chant script.
But this map requires exchanging 30 items (similar to "junk" in present garulea AD). Each Future Garulea AD run can farm from 5 - 10 of these items, so on average you can visit this chant-script-boosted-rate-map every 3-6 runs.
@@bloodmay Thanks for correcting me! :) sorry I had a bad memory. I see, I'm not up to Underworld yet, only just got future garulea AD recently, and just playing casually hahaha
how to get the Skadi Tome to make her 5 star?
From Beast King's Castle VH dungeon
wow she really is op, where do you get her tome ??
Beast King's Castle VH!
Tried but she won't come home 🙂 Now back to saving for the last 1k
Good luck!
I got her too, but 4 stars. Idk I should upgrade her or Pray to 5 stars now...
Her first!
Thank you!!
Good review will, u are right about the fact that eva and flame are 2 units that cant really be compared directly.
Eva has a stronger single target water attack in the form of icicle zorch and better self setup to make it super strong, along with an int buff as well, which flame doesnt have.
Makes eva good at soloing single bosses, better than flamelapis in my opinion. Eva also has crystal damage coverage. Which helps her deal with enemies that resist water quite well. Like the latest hachiyo boss rush for example.
However eva isnt great at dealing with multiple enemies. Her only real aoe crystal move reduces in power the more enemies there are in battle, while flamelapis has the mega nuke 3000% aoe, which is unparalleled. Especially with break synergy.
I also tried using flamelapis to take out the nagsham dummies, u can check it out here if u want to see the potential she has if u are interested ruclips.net/video/bLz4Q-3iE-U/видео.html
Very nice video! Yeah Astral Drago is a nice AoE but of course it’s crystal. Neptune is just OP. I’ll have to experiment some more with Flamme over the next few weeks to bring more out of her.
And as you said Eva is a solo boss killer for sure. Icicle Zorch self boosts and breaks each time which is great. Either way using both on a water team will be fun!
@@WilMakGamerDad yes. They do work well together. Same with nagi es who also does similar dmg to flamelapis against weakness but requires pain poison status to work.
How to get falcon badge?
It’s from Chapter 5 of the Future Mythos, by collecting all the Minchy and Toto points. Check my Walkthrough if you need help finding them.
@@WilMakGamerDad thank you
im contemplating upgraded her to *5 or not
She’s worth it!
Only downside is that she makes the game too easy, especially if you got Eva too. I have most of the top units but these two stands out as the absolute demolisher of horrors and super bosses.
@@clydex7887 good thing is, i dont have eva
how could u get her so strong, watching ur vid of wanderer in vortex with her in ur units lookin so easy peasy😂
It's all about the grasta setups for maximum DPS. Check my Back to Basics playlist on my channel, but especially the one about grasta up to 2.8.500.
Got her 5star after only 2k stones
Nice!
It looks like she wants to be the main player and everyone else buffs her. Most of her moves scale with number of buffs so I guess everyone else buffs her up and she kills.
to add to that, you can't spam neptune during AF (at least for me. I used it like 3 times and she got stun afterward). Either that is a bug or that is on purpose and it is a hindrance more than benefit
FEET MAGIC HAHA
She is very strong indeed very similar to ES Nagi tbh. Absolutely massive AOE Water damage IN THE FIRST 3 turns in exchange for... lack of self-buffs on her own skills so she kinda depends a lot on outside support to help her achieve her full potential.
In specific Neptune which has a 3000% damage mod and guarranteered crit BUT stuns her after 3 turns so you will have to plan it out carefully to maximise this skill. Baptiso Soul which gives mental focus and a huge ass 60% Water Attack buff BUT kinda contradicts her own kit because it will waste a turn so again, be careful when using this skill. La Mer Archon which is an absolutely MASSIVE debuff of PWR, INT and SPD and can easily singlehandedly wins you a fight. Gygeas Spring is one of the best ST Water skill in the entire game which deals absolutely massive damage and has guarranteered crit so you dont even need a magic crit settler for her.
Definitely one of the best units in the game atm no doubts. She is the quinessential AF abuser since you can pop all her skills without worrying bout the 3T gimmick and can easily carry you through 90% of all the fights in the game atm.
HOWEVER with that being said, she is SIGNIFICANTLY powercrept as a WATER UNIT by the upcoming AS Philo who has all her benefits but without any drawbacks. In JP all the new fights heavily punishes AF abusers and stall teams are dominant there so BE CAREFUL about over-relying on Flamme as your Water DPS because its very likely that there will be a lot of content which cant be finished in 3 turns and unfortunately for Flamme, she is only half a unit (IYKWIM) she was after 3 turns.
Okay, clearly you haven't read everything as closely as you should have, because most of your points here are completely wrong if you just read their skills
I will start with the AF punishing jp bosses point: Already wrong. The last EPS, Patel, is like, the most easily cheese-able EPS with Another Force into just start nuking with stuff like Flammelapis or eot abuse. APRX-Sophie: Okay, she does punish AF users, but she is a boss designed to be stalled regardless (Like the EPS... Well, look where we are at), and you can AF the crystals down in 1 turn, just quite hard to do so, then Prai indigence can tank one of the crystal dying nukes, and you have 10 stacks on her. I don't see the issue. And if you are talking the new Mobius content, yet again, what's stopping you from building bar and just abusing it? With stuff like Flamme, you never have to worry about mp, so that's not an issue. I fail to see this "all the new JP content punishes AF spammers" when that's what we all said when Murphy dropped, and yet Murphy has be 1 turned with 4 units: Flammelapis, Eva, AS Otoha, ES Miyu. Now, notice how Philo AS ISN'T IN THAT LIST. That will be important for later.
Second point: What do you mean, "Flamme needs other support and you need to be careful while considering that?" Why would you not build a team around a nuker or two? Make them deal more obscene damage while in some cases, like Boss Rush, keep them alive while they nuke stuff one boss after another. I fail to see where your argument gains ground. Flamme has no self buffs? She has mental focus and 30% water type attack + in Baptous Soul. Sure, it's only 2 buffs, but they are well and away more than sufficient to just have other party members cover int and type res down (Oh look, we have Gariyu for free who can buff int and staff damage. Or if you don't like free units, Myrus AS is still a top tier int buffer with spd buffs as well. Not to mention, you can just slap staffs prayer on her to buff Flammes damage more. Type res down? There are a million sources of that. Pick your poison) If you are trying to use the buff argument against Philo AS, he has 35% ax damage and 20% pwr buff, and a straight up 25 pwr upgrade (Max stacks 3, 50 pwr) A Sophia-esk Hold Ground. Okay, some things to work with you might think. Well, think it's time to transition into my third point then.
Third point: Philo AS has an insane amount of drawbacks. You want to talk about Flammes drawbacks? She is fast, great job clearer, stupid damage thanks to her mental focus, and doesn't lose nearly as much as you think she does from the 3 turn requirement. The only thing she really loses is the double water damage buff effect on Baptous Soul and gets stunned with Neptune. Doesn't lose crit. Don't know where you got that from. And her other 5* skill loses literally nothing. Let's talk about that then. If Neptune spam is out of the equation, then you can spam her buff scaling move (Which, with equipment, grasta enhancements, and other party members, since we are counting a full party here, since Philo AS is a sitting duck solo, is not hard to achieve at all) Her other skill, sure, only single target, can have some annoying hampers in the skill. But nevertheless, 1920% mod is quite solid. Add mental focus from Baptous Soul every 3 turns, 4817 mod. 4 turn damage output with that is Baptous Soul (no damage) + her other skill 3 times, or 4817*3=14451% mod. That's still a higher mod than Philo AS's 12000% mod you keep preaching about. And there is absolutely no drawback here. Just keep on pumping the damage out like there is no tomorrow.
Philo AS on the other hand, has a number of drawbacks. For starters, he has 150ish base speed, making him one of the slowest characters in the game, and with bosses that have 220 speed MINIMUM, he is going to get outsped all the time. Second, he needs a non attacking skill to stack up his World Tree stacks, which leaves him powerless, since the hold ground isn't doing anything if he is so slow, and the hold ground can't save you from pain or poison damage. But of course you might be saying; I've been using the full party argument this entire time! Why does that matter? Because for Philo, you need a load of maintenance to keep him alive while he stacks up his World Tree stacks (Stacking them in AF doesn't fill bar, and defeats the purpose of his mod) which goes into another specific requirement: Full AF bar. Without a full AF bar, he doesn't get that 12000% mod. So, 3 turns of using a non attacking move (Since you gain one per use) and a full AF bar, then 12000% Okay, sounds cool on paper. Then, back to flamme. Mental focus (non attacking skill) then 4817*3 for three turns, for 14451%. Still the same amount of turns. 4 turn output. Easy to compare. Flamme is doing more damage, faster, and is WAY LESS overly specific, as you can AF whenever you need, while with Philo, you cannot.
Also, on your Nagi ES to Flamme point; Nagi needs full bar and lunatic for max power on her skills, Flamme can just get out the gate and kill stuff, AF whenever, and not restricted to 3 turns for maximum damage. Oh, and it's a crystal/water magic vs a pure water mage. They do different things regardless of whatever arguments I would make about them, so no point to compare them
Sorry, minor correction: Philo AS has 205 speed, but my argument still stands, since 205 < 220 minimum
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