Enjoying your videos. I got the kitchen knife sharpening bug last year and finally getting consistent results with Norton waterstones. (I had them laying around for years for some woodworking). Getting the itch now for learning on oil stones. Gonna start practicing now on smaller EDC type knives. Thanks again, good instruction.
Rough Rooster I just came across your videos. Great in that I don't have a shop to do my work, I do it on my table top with things that I have around the house. Questions: 1. I figure that the little stone has to be harder than the stone you're lapping, any hardness and can I use a small hard oil stone to lap a water stone? 2. I've flattened stones before, what's the purpose of lapping and how do you know when you're there? Thanks
Rafael Gelpi i do everything at my desk in my bedroom lol. and that small stone is a pocket diamond hone. the stone was already level. just removing high spots and smoothing. yes you can use another ark to lap. not to flatten. but if you do, you must be careful that the surface don't become glazed. he purpose of lapping is to increase or decrease surface grit. if you want more bite and a slightly coarser finish, then you would use a lower grit. if you are going for a finer finish then lap with a finer grit. just like sanding a piece of wood. ultimately you are changing he surface grit of the stone. this is more used with finishing stones. my soft arks usually get 6-9 hundred grit. my blacks and translucents get 2.5k or higher grit. now you can lap a soft ark to a higher grit if you like it will perform quite well. but it would just be silly to lap a hard ark to a lower grit. defeats the purpose. very good question. i will do a video on this. 👍
I'm getting a Dan's hard Arkansas for Christmas. It's new and I want to prep it for use. I've seen people lap with silicon carbide on a sheet of glass. I'm not using it for shaving just for sharpening. Should I bother with SiC or just get a pocket honer? Would the SiC fill pores? I want a nice smooth surface and I'm not sure how to proceed. Any advice?
ThinkFaster66 I don’t understand why people don’t get this video. If you will go back and listen to what I say I’m not lapping it. And sic works alright but not well. I use 3m wet dry sand paper. Depending on the stone depends on what I go to in grit. And it don’t matter if your sharpening razors or knives stones need flattening and lapping. It’s all about the performance
Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening I'll rewatch and try to pay a bit more attention. It's very smooth and flat already so I don't think I'll have to do much more. I appreciate the tips and all the videos. Happy new year. Asa
Slurry does not work on Arkansas stones you are correct but for straight razors I did try slurs and under 10x loop there are micro chips in a razor but you are correct that it does not hurt a knife. Have you tried SIC powder to flatten a Arkansas stone? SIC cuts quicker but you do have to go back over the stone with wet or dry paper working from 220 up to the grit you want the stone to remove the SIC from the stone. I’ve worked surgical blacks from the 50s and black translucent stones to 2000 grit
I bought all of my AR stones from Halls at their location outside of Hot Springs in the mid 1990's. I still have all of them and prefer using them on simple stainless or under 58 HRC carbon blades.
Waterstones are hands down better, faster than anything else. Diamond is good for flattening the natural stones. I like the Shaptons 1000-8000. Shapton has a cast iron plate you use powdered grit on and it works VERY FAST, but diamond 400 grit Atoma is lightyears better and cleNer. DMT not even close to as good as atoma.
how do you know that you are cutting a curve belly down in that stone using that shorty it would seem that you would want something larger like you did on the porch or the cinder block
David Gaylord i dont think you realize how hard these stones are. i know im not because it takes forever to flatten one. im not using much pressure doing this
Just getting in to straight razors. Was thinking of using the medium and hard Arkansas stones for honing. Should I lap the stones when I first get them and if so i don't have any equipment for lapping what would you suggest.
Jacob Taylor i would because the edge on a straight razor is so delicate. some wet dry automotive 3m sandpaper wet will do. 1k.1.5k 2k.2.5k will.work. less for coarser stones higher for finer stones
I condition my soft arkansas with a soft arkansas and lap my stone with a diamond plate. It cuts crazy fast this way just two runs up and down and it removes the scratches from my 400 grit stone in seconds.
Hey Rooster, I came across your videos looking for information on Arkansas stones. I'm in the UK and wanted a black stone to final polish my knives. Many many years ago I was gifted a Puma combination stone, Arkansas,supposedly. ? 'coarse/fine'. The fine side is a grey colour, is not 'polished' at all, and has what can only be described as tiny 'holes' in the surface. I've never had good results from that side, watching this I think I may try and smooth it out. Or, do you think I should just get a proper black stone from somewhere. ? Appreciate your time. Thanks.
Hello. I really like your videos. I’m just now getting into this hobby. Where would I find a diamond plate like you are using above to work on my stones? Thank you
Hey brotherI wanted to ask what is a good diamond to ark step is I usually do rough, smooth india, the soft, hard ark. Tonight I was having trouble with india taking to long so I went course diamond, fine Diamond, fine india then soft ark, then going to hard ark, didn't get to fi n is tonight but it did pretty good, the india smooth out the deep scratch pattern from the diamonds. sorry don't kno your email I kno it's in one or 2 of your videos but can't remember
My apologies if it's already been asked elsewhere, but where May one get this small diamond Stone? I had one years ago and lost it, and would love to replace it. I'm having trouble finding one that is similar on the internet though. Thanks bunches.
Given some of the comments I might add a woodworking pun indeed. Would you consider this video about "half lapping" not a full lapping? Good video. I have a garage sale find, a 4 inch black stone. De-greasing and a full lapping in the near future.
The nicest stone(s) that I ever had, I bought in a yard sale. It was actually a set made to sharpen a straight razor. The first stone was 2 1/2 X 4 X 1/2 inches and as soft as chalk. you could shave it with a dull knife. The second stone was 2 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 inches. You were supposed to wet the larger stone with water and rub the smaller stone to get a slurry going. Once you get the knife sharp, you run your knife BACKWARDS over the stone. If you think you can get a good edge from a fine Arkansas stone, (and you can), you literally can't touch the edge on a knife when you get done with this stone. I lost it when I moved from Florida. I miss it and the look on people's faces when they checked out my knives.
That's not what I'm was doing there. If you would read the title and listen to what I'm doing you wouldn't have said that. Of course you can't flatten a stone like that lol
Your doing it all wrong dude. Hiw do you know its flat? Try squiggly pencil lines all over the stone, then take your full size diamond plate (400grit Atoma) and when all the pencil is remived, its perfectly flat. I use stones for woodworking plane irons and chisels so the stone must always be flat..i flatten my stone every single day. With that kind of maintenance it takes very little material off the stone. Try it, you wont regret it and you will KNOW your stones are tuned, trued and good to go.
Swedish Holmberg alright, so there is absolutely nothing at all you can tell me or teach me about stone maintenance or sharpening. Apparently you have not watched many of my videos. I flatten my stones as needed. This one was previously flattened using sic powder hence the thinness of this stone combo. This process I use is the beginning of lapping the stone. And the pencil this is all wrong. When you flatten a stone with sic and glass and it will pick up you’re glass sheet then it’s flat. Just because your grid is gone don’t mean it’s flat. Also a hard Arkansas will destroy a diamond plate. Sic will cut way faster.
"when all the pencil is remived, its perfectly flat." Guess again. If you use planes and chisels, you probably have some straight edges and squares. Use one you trust to check the surface of the stone after "flattening" it with the Atoma. Tell us what you find.
Mildy Productive actually I have a straight edge for decking blocks and testing flatness on cylinder heads. That is what I have used. When the graphite is gone DOES NOT prove the stone is perfectly flat. The slurry and water can remove the graphite when the stone nears flat. And again as I’ve said a hundred times. A hard ark will ruin any diamond plate you put it on. I’ve been doing this for years man. Sorry to tell you but you are incorrect.
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 I was replying to Swedish. Anyhow, since you're here, what you did in this video? Technically, none of it was lapping. You are grinding/filing the stone. And what you're doing doesn't make the stone flat. When you run the plate over the stone with the plate all the way across the stone, you are slightly convexing the surface side to side. Which is good, because a perfectly flat ark stone is pretty useless for sharpening.
Great looking stone , great video, some of us thought lapping and flattening is one of the same , til now . Thanks for the info
sawedoffkiller no sir two different animals.
Hello, you are right about the Smiths tri hone, I have a 6" trihone with the holder. gosh that thing is wonderful.
Enjoying your videos. I got the kitchen knife sharpening bug last year and finally getting consistent results with Norton waterstones. (I had them laying around for years for some woodworking). Getting the itch now for learning on oil stones. Gonna start practicing now on smaller EDC type knives. Thanks again, good instruction.
Rough Rooster I just came across your videos. Great in that I don't have a shop to do my work, I do it on my table top with things that I have around the house. Questions:
1. I figure that the little stone has to be harder than the stone you're lapping, any hardness and can I use a small hard oil stone to lap a water stone?
2. I've flattened stones before, what's the purpose of lapping and how do you know when you're there?
Thanks
Rafael Gelpi i do everything at my desk in my bedroom lol. and that small stone is a pocket diamond hone. the stone was already level. just removing high spots and smoothing. yes you can use another ark to lap. not to flatten. but if you do, you must be careful that the surface don't become glazed. he purpose of lapping is to increase or decrease surface grit. if you want more bite and a slightly coarser finish, then you would use a lower grit. if you are going for a finer finish then lap with a finer grit. just like sanding a piece of wood. ultimately you are changing he surface grit of the stone. this is more used with finishing stones. my soft arks usually get 6-9 hundred grit. my blacks and translucents get 2.5k or higher grit.
now you can lap a soft ark to a higher grit if you like it will perform quite well. but it would just be silly to lap a hard ark to a lower grit. defeats the purpose. very good question. i will do a video on this. 👍
I'm getting a Dan's hard Arkansas for Christmas. It's new and I want to prep it for use. I've seen people lap with silicon carbide on a sheet of glass. I'm not using it for shaving just for sharpening. Should I bother with SiC or just get a pocket honer? Would the SiC fill pores? I want a nice smooth surface and I'm not sure how to proceed. Any advice?
ThinkFaster66 I don’t understand why people don’t get this video. If you will go back and listen to what I say I’m not lapping it. And sic works alright but not well. I use 3m wet dry sand paper. Depending on the stone depends on what I go to in grit. And it don’t matter if your sharpening razors or knives stones need flattening and lapping. It’s all about the performance
Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening I'll rewatch and try to pay a bit more attention. It's very smooth and flat already so I don't think I'll have to do much more. I appreciate the tips and all the videos. Happy new year.
Asa
I was lost at brownies, dude. That's all i could think about the whole video.
The groove in the diamond stone is for sharpening fishing hooks.
Mike Betts yes I know
Slurry does not work on Arkansas stones you are correct but for straight razors I did try slurs and under 10x loop there are micro chips in a razor but you are correct that it does not hurt a knife.
Have you tried SIC powder to flatten a Arkansas stone? SIC cuts quicker but you do have to go back over the stone with wet or dry paper working from 220 up to the grit you want the stone to remove the SIC from the stone. I’ve worked surgical blacks from the 50s and black translucent stones to 2000 grit
Jay Solomon I have many videos showing this. I do use sic powder occasionally but not much. I take my stones way past 2k
Thank
Keep up the great work love your videos
Jay Solomon well thank you. I appreciate that
I bought all of my AR stones from Halls at their location outside of Hot Springs in the mid 1990's. I still have all of them and prefer using them on simple stainless or under 58 HRC carbon blades.
They are capable of much more than simple steels. And far surpass any other abrasive available.
I am motivated to learn how to get good at sharpening
Awesome!
Wow! That's a lot of work. My waterstones do wear quickly but I can flatten them in seconds.
UreaSmith yea but I like doing it. And what I done there will last years.
I bought some nice looking oil stones at flea markets. Gonna start experimenting with them.
Waterstones are hands down better, faster than anything else. Diamond is good for flattening the natural stones. I like the Shaptons 1000-8000. Shapton has a cast iron plate you use powdered grit on and it works VERY FAST, but diamond 400 grit Atoma is lightyears better and cleNer. DMT not even close to as good as atoma.
@@missionron wrong all the way around lol
Still trolling at 4 in the morning?
What a looser. I'm gonna go head and block you. Have fun commenting now. 😂
how do you know that you are cutting a curve belly down in that stone using that shorty it would seem that you would want something larger like you did on the porch or the cinder block
David Gaylord i dont think you realize how hard these stones are. i know im not because it takes forever to flatten one. im not using much pressure doing this
David Gaylord also this isnt a full lap this was just a surface touch up.
Thanks for a great video on reconditioning an oil stone. Fantastic job!! Learned a lot from you.
Steven Trosiek Thnk you. I do lots of different things to fix stones. I’ll eventually show them all
Question for you - what do you do with stones that are 3" wide themselves? Do you use the same pocket stone?
River6Actual use the same one. that was just convenient here lol
Just getting in to straight razors. Was thinking of using the medium and hard Arkansas stones for honing. Should I lap the stones when I first get them and if so i don't have any equipment for lapping what would you suggest.
Jacob Taylor i would because the edge on a straight razor is so delicate. some wet dry automotive 3m sandpaper wet will do. 1k.1.5k 2k.2.5k will.work. less for coarser stones higher for finer stones
I condition my soft arkansas with a soft arkansas and lap my stone with a diamond plate. It cuts crazy fast this way just two runs up and down and it removes the scratches from my 400 grit stone in seconds.
What grit is the diamond?
Hey Rooster, I came across your videos looking for information on Arkansas stones. I'm in the UK and wanted a black stone to final polish my knives. Many many years ago I was gifted a Puma combination stone, Arkansas,supposedly. ? 'coarse/fine'. The fine side is a grey colour, is not 'polished' at all, and has what can only be described as tiny 'holes' in the surface. I've never had good results from that side, watching this I think I may try and smooth it out. Or, do you think I should just get a proper black stone from somewhere. ? Appreciate your time. Thanks.
I am just now seeing this comment. Without knowing what it is I can't make a good recommendation. But a black is always good to have and use
Hello. I really like your videos. I’m just now getting into this hobby. Where would I find a diamond plate like you are using above to work on my stones? Thank you
Boss_Hoss _Cigars I appreciate it man. You may not need a plate. What stones are u working on and what are you trying to do?
Well done!👏👏👏👏👏
Hey brotherI wanted to ask what is a good diamond to ark step is I usually do rough, smooth india, the soft, hard ark. Tonight I was having trouble with india taking to long so I went course diamond, fine Diamond, fine india then soft ark, then going to hard ark, didn't get to fi n is tonight but it did pretty good, the india smooth out the deep scratch pattern from the diamonds. sorry don't kno your email I kno it's in one or 2 of your videos but can't remember
Hey man just now seeing this. And it's southerntrader124@gmail.com
My apologies if it's already been asked elsewhere, but where May one get this small diamond Stone? I had one years ago and lost it, and would love to replace it. I'm having trouble finding one that is similar on the internet though. Thanks bunches.
I got mine at lowes its a Smith's. They are getting hard to find tho. Good luck
www.amazon.com/EZE-LAP-26F-Diamond-Pocket-Sheath/dp/B0001WP1WO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1545997896&sr=8-4&keywords=pocket+diamond+stone
Given some of the comments I might add a woodworking pun indeed. Would you consider this video about "half lapping" not a full lapping? Good video. I have a garage sale find, a 4 inch black stone. De-greasing and a full lapping in the near future.
Why would I consider this video a half lapping?
Did the title say that?
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 It's a pun! A play on words. Similar or the same word used in multiple ways that are incompatible. Nothing but a pun.
That little diamond stone is pretty dang good for 9$ i have 2 lol i use 1 for lapping and the other for serious bevel repairs.
They are very nice!
The nicest stone(s) that I ever had, I bought in a yard sale. It was actually a set made to sharpen a straight razor. The first stone was 2 1/2 X 4 X 1/2 inches and as soft as chalk. you could shave it with a dull knife. The second stone was 2 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 inches. You were supposed to wet the larger stone with water and rub the smaller stone to get a slurry going. Once you get the knife sharp, you run your knife BACKWARDS over the stone. If you think you can get a good edge from a fine Arkansas stone, (and you can), you literally can't touch the edge on a knife when you get done with this stone. I lost it when I moved from Florida. I miss it and the look on people's faces when they checked out my knives.
Thank you for the video! : )
Cheers dude, very much appreciated, 😎👍👍
No problem
another cool video, thank you
cool
Do you use water or oil
I use dawn and water on my arks. I've got a ton of videos on here for sharpening
Can you do this to a black Arkansas this same way thanks for the video I've learned alot about Arkansas stones from you
Yes but you need to go quite a bit finer
Bubba did you ever find out who sent you that stone?
No sir
i like a big piece of glass with a wet sheet of 1000,1200, 3000, and on
David Gaylord ehh i dont like doing that
You telling people to flatten a large stone with a tiny stone. Thats just wasting time.
That's not what I'm was doing there. If you would read the title and listen to what I'm doing you wouldn't have said that. Of course you can't flatten a stone like that lol
Anyone there?
Your doing it all wrong dude. Hiw do you know its flat? Try squiggly pencil lines all over the stone, then take your full size diamond plate (400grit Atoma) and when all the pencil is remived, its perfectly flat.
I use stones for woodworking plane irons and chisels so the stone must always be flat..i flatten my stone every single day. With that kind of maintenance it takes very little material off the stone. Try it, you wont regret it and you will KNOW your stones are tuned, trued and good to go.
Swedish Holmberg alright, so there is absolutely nothing at all you can tell me or teach me about stone maintenance or sharpening. Apparently you have not watched many of my videos. I flatten my stones as needed. This one was previously flattened using sic powder hence the thinness of this stone combo. This process I use is the beginning of lapping the stone. And the pencil this is all wrong. When you flatten a stone with sic and glass and it will pick up you’re glass sheet then it’s flat. Just because your grid is gone don’t mean it’s flat. Also a hard Arkansas will destroy a diamond plate. Sic will cut way faster.
"when all the pencil is remived, its perfectly flat."
Guess again.
If you use planes and chisels, you probably have some straight edges and squares. Use one you trust to check the surface of the stone after "flattening" it with the Atoma. Tell us what you find.
Mildy Productive actually I have a straight edge for decking blocks and testing flatness on cylinder heads.
That is what I have used.
When the graphite is gone DOES NOT prove the stone is perfectly flat.
The slurry and water can remove the graphite when the stone nears flat.
And again as I’ve said a hundred times. A hard ark will ruin any diamond plate you put it on.
I’ve been doing this for years man. Sorry to tell you but you are incorrect.
Mildy Productive also if you knew anything about my channel you would see I have not sharpened any planes or chisels.
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 I was replying to Swedish. Anyhow, since you're here, what you did in this video? Technically, none of it was lapping. You are grinding/filing the stone. And what you're doing doesn't make the stone flat. When you run the plate over the stone with the plate all the way across the stone, you are slightly convexing the surface side to side. Which is good, because a perfectly flat ark stone is pretty useless for sharpening.