Hey Preach, just thought I'd let you know that ever since I watched your videos, my gameplay has improved so much. I was a new player who had just got 85 on my Arms Warrior, and I didn't know how to increase my DPS, but after watching your guides, I improved my DPS by over 2k! Thanks heaps Preach!
yes if u are speced into blood and thunder, and remember blade storm is only a dps inscrease when u are hitting 3 mobs if this change cancle the buff :) then if still mobs up sweeping strikes and just normal rotation, using cleave instead of HS is a dps increase when hitting 2 mobs
Thank you so much for these tips, I have all toon's maxed lvl 85 and I have Savior on my main Lock. So far I've saw all your videos and for some reason even though I know what I need to do (from reading elitistjerks) and other forums, just hearing it from you makes it easier to top dps =P. I can hear your voice saying DEADLY CALM, SMASH!!!! 10/10 FOR your warrior tips =)
fuck I miss this rotation... By far the most fun I had in pve with wow rotation wise... SO GOOD. I miss warriors... Mop got more boring until SoO trinkets... and then wod came and fuck.. SO BORING. AND THEN LEGION! EVEN WORSE! Well at least unholy dk's are quite fun... at least in pvp.. rotation... Nothing close to arms war back in 4.3.
@mikepreachwow yeah, but that wouldn't really be great on all bosses, there are a few with adds, which is fine, but for single target would those points not be better used in 'Incite'?
i got a question prech: wouldnt be better to open up with a charge followed by a MS, this way you have 25% more chance to crit, follow that with a rend then CS then another MS (with a CS debuff) and then finally a 20% stronger OP (thanks to lambs to the slaughter), instead of just charge, rend and MS?
Well then do you use a lot of keybindings? I'm rather new to the lvl 85 warrior class and having trouble getting my dps up with the rotation. Any suggestions?
Just discovered your videos, Mike, and they've already helped quite a lot. My Warrior's much better now and I haven't even tested him out yet (pretty badass, right?) One question I have for you, though, is "Where is Recklessness!?" I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the video (with Deadly Calm listed as our only single-target cooldown).
correct me if im wrong, but slam does more damage than overpower so wouldn't the best roation be mortal strike every 10 seconds or so to keep slaughter up, and then just spam slam?
man you should have so many more people following you on youtube mate yours videos are great ... you better not give this up....the views and subs will come in time
I'm sorry but I just have to ask and I know it sounds dumb as hell, but are the macros you're providing the rotations we're supposed to use, or should we with what Noxxicdotcom provides...
Do the maths. You will not be doing 5% more damage because you will still be spending time in Battle Stance using Rend and Overpower, it'll be more like 4%. In order for a 4% DPS gain to translate into 3k, you would need to be doing over 90k DPS. A (very) few extra Heroic Strikes will not make up for that disparity.
Wow, Mike, you've brought my DPS up significantly with these macros. I can truthfully say, I'm pulling 3k more now! Thank you so much! Truly amazing. One more thing though, is there anyway to make the macros not look "dimmed" out when your not in the stance needed to cast them. I.E. - Rend, Overpower. This is confusing me a lot and sometimes I end up not applying my rend and overpower properly.
Ideally you pop shout and then charge. Then rend, CS, MS and the rotation is off. Do not use deadly calm before you run out of rage (after using ms+hs at the same time just after cs) because during Deadly Calm you get rage capped anyways. Use inner rage after Deadly Calm and try to get the rage down below 70% (still prioritizing slam as it is always better).
what does make you think that? you will be doing around 5% more dmg (because of zerker stance) also you are gaining more rage (i think) so you can add in more heroic strikes i can just judge from what happend to me i was at 20k dps to a training puppet and now iam at close to 23k works for me at least
great stuff my dps has gone up 10 fold :) thanks it was abit alien to me when i started but after doing raids all day it feels right and the dps is shocking
If you're doing 40k DPS. Then your DPS gain from stance dancing would be an absolute maximum of 1.6k assuming you have near perfect latency, perfect rotation and are hammering your macros incredibly fast. More realistically, you can expect a 1k DPS gain once you've mastered it, coupled with you taking more damage and less healing.
Hey Preach!! I set up all the macros on the video description, but i think i'm having a problem with the rage, since when i change stances i lost some of that rage and get down to 25 rage. What i'm doing wrong? I missed something in my spec?
Should I take 2 points out of incite to spread rend via blood and thunder or keep all 3 points in incite and single target mobs to apply rend then go for my AoE attacks for groups of mobs?... What would be the best suggestion on this issue?...
Changed. Stance dance does not reset swing timer. If you're double tapping you need REALLY bad internet to be wasting cd off of overpower and ms (since you know when they're coming back up). Stance dancing is very "low risk high gain" in my opinion. I gain about 8% overall damage from dancing. Can't honestly see what's wrong about stance dancing unless your internet is so bad that you can't overpower or MS in time, which sort of also requries you to be bad at planning your rotation.
I have played my arms warrior without stance dancing and i do incrdible good dps. But i know stancedancing is way better but i dont get it really, like whats the rotation and what macros and attacksshould i have on battle stance and what macros and attacks should i have on berzerk stance?
on a serious note (sorry for spam comments) i noticed you are using slam? i see most warriors doing incite, but it seems slam arms spec is better because slam hits like a fucking 18 wheeler. ;o do you think slams better? or is it just opinion or preference?
Love you preach! This guide is amazing. I was wondering how the macros would work. For example, activating berserker stance and casting mortal strike each cost 1 global cooldown. I thought macros could only span 1 global cooldown and contained non gcd spells with one gcd spell. Please enlighten me.
Omg Preach you awesome man i was so noob man you help me a lot dude i was having hard time with warrior becouse i started wow like few weeks ago so i went for hunter(easy mode) but i got really bord . So i went to my warrior tonight and damn is so fun to play man :). I play on Sylvanas server. Thx dude
has preach done an advanced fury dps guide yet? and on another note, love your vids preach, ive gotten so much better with my main and alts thanks to these vids
Hi there, I find that you can negate double tapping a lot of the time by using this macro for your stance dancing: /cast [stance:1/2] Berserker Stance or /cast [stance:2/3] Battle Stance I find these are much more reliable because they also allow you to jump from Defensive or Battle Stance into Zerker regardless. Nice for a PvP cross over to help with my Shield Wall Macro. Plus, if you are already in the right stance, it will just throw up the attack. Hope thats useful for ya
interface->combat-> custom lag tolorance you can set so that if you pop a spell 300ms before its ready it will be used when globalcd gets ready btw it is more keyboard friendly :D
I don't really know why most arms prefer slam over heroic strike. Rage is idd not really an issue. Slam has a cast (interupting white hits) and only with the 2 talents it actually gets lower/equal to the global cooldown of heroic strike. Imo better put the 2 talents somewhere else and stick to heroic strike.
In my opinion there is no boss except for spine where blood and thunder is worth getting. All other bosses only require you to AoE about once every BS cd. Just my personal preference though, you may not agree. I don't get blood and thunder as the increase in damage is so very low from only 2 ticks on each target before the mobs die (with ofcourse the exception of spine).
Stance dancing does depend on your internet connection. If you have great latency, and great fps (frames per second)/response time, than you will notice a bit of a dps increase. If you have average latency, etc. it may drop your dps; reason - simple: 1. stance dance pushes back auto attack 2. stance dance also can slow your global cooldown I have a couple videos up of my raids, check my channel. I do not stance dance due to not trusting my internet connection. I am looking into tho.
When I use the macros and change stances with my strikes, it changes my action bar because I have switched into a new stance. Is there any way I can configure my action bars not to change when I change stances? An addon perhaps?
You could do that. What i do is just that i keep tapping MS putting me in zerker stance since you're using MS in berserker stance when executing anyways. But ye if you want to you could use a macro for that but I find it unnecessary.
Ideally you camp zerker stance till you need to overpower and then you go battle overpower zerk. So yes you could do that, I personally just hit MS to get back but using it for HS is viable, all got to do with what you like the best.
Yeah... A little update: I just beat the crap out of a ret paladin with hc dragon soul gear. And I'm ilvl 393... These macros works. No question about it. Sub. Well. Earned.
In my honest opinion if you're doing 11k then you're doing something wrong (yes i realize you're in blue gear). Try the rotation out on the dummies, it does help. Even really skilled players in high end guilds have said they gain dps from hitting the dummies, perfecting the rotation. You can look at Fatboss's guide for Spine if you want proof.
Ok some of your info is not correct. 1. You do want to get expertize to 26. You do not want to have for example a execute, of up to several hundred thousand, being dodged (that OP would be a poor replacement). 2. Sweeping strikes during Bladestorm is very useful if the AoE is burst focused (ex Madness). The sweeping strikes will not proc on the whirlwinds from BS but they will proc from your opportunity strikes during the BS. For sustained AoE it is however better to use one after the other.
@ElegantArtz Well, Its been 2 years since you last played. Its a completley different game now. Yes, come back and play and see if you liek it :) alot of things have changed for the better. :)
Genuinely love how enthusiastic you are in your guides, so much more entertaining than any others out there. Keep up the good work man!
Hey Preach, just thought I'd let you know that ever since I watched your videos, my gameplay has improved so much.
I was a new player who had just got 85 on my Arms Warrior, and I didn't know how to increase my DPS, but after watching your guides, I improved my DPS by over 2k!
Thanks heaps Preach!
casually revisiting the best guide in cata for the classic right now...
*flies away*
I miss these, dude...
yes if u are speced into blood and thunder, and remember blade storm is only a dps inscrease when u are hitting 3 mobs if this change cancle the buff :) then if still mobs up sweeping strikes and just normal rotation, using cleave instead of HS is a dps increase when hitting 2 mobs
Thank you so much for these tips, I have all toon's maxed lvl 85 and I have Savior on my main Lock. So far I've saw all your videos and for some reason even though I know what I need to do (from reading elitistjerks) and other forums, just hearing it from you makes it easier to top dps =P. I can hear your voice saying DEADLY CALM, SMASH!!!! 10/10 FOR your warrior tips =)
fuck I miss this rotation... By far the most fun I had in pve with wow rotation wise... SO GOOD. I miss warriors... Mop got more boring until SoO trinkets... and then wod came and fuck.. SO BORING. AND THEN LEGION! EVEN WORSE! Well at least unholy dk's are quite fun... at least in pvp.. rotation... Nothing close to arms war back in 4.3.
@mikepreachwow yeah, but that wouldn't really be great on all bosses, there are a few with adds, which is fine, but for single target would those points not be better used in 'Incite'?
One of the best videos on Warrior DPS. Excellent Preach! You da Man!
i got a question prech: wouldnt be better to open up with a charge followed by a MS, this way you have 25% more chance to crit, follow that with a rend then CS then another MS (with a CS debuff) and then finally a 20% stronger OP (thanks to lambs to the slaughter), instead of just charge, rend and MS?
Well then do you use a lot of keybindings? I'm rather new to the lvl 85 warrior class and having trouble getting my dps up with the rotation. Any suggestions?
Just discovered your videos, Mike, and they've already helped quite a lot.
My Warrior's much better now and I haven't even tested him out yet (pretty badass, right?)
One question I have for you, though, is "Where is Recklessness!?"
I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the video (with Deadly Calm listed as our only single-target cooldown).
So funny to see mike talking how much he likes the warrior in all spec (also in Cataclysm), then in Legacy of the Warrior he RECKS on it ;D
WH40k Geno i think he looked at the warrior as a whole and in cataclysm the beast warrior was shit compared to the other xpacs
+YT Gen0 Hindsight is always 20/20
correct me if im wrong, but slam does more damage than overpower so wouldn't the best roation be mortal strike every 10 seconds or so to keep slaughter up, and then just spam slam?
I like the way this guy speaks; so amusing. Then the picture around 15:50 is what did it all in >D
@tomsxdiner It's called Classtimers but Needtoknow does the same thing if you just type in Colossus Smash as your debuff that you want to track.
man you should have so many more people following you on youtube mate
yours videos are great ... you better not give this up....the views and subs will come in time
I'm sorry but I just have to ask and I know it sounds dumb as hell, but are the macros you're providing the rotations we're supposed to use, or should we with what Noxxicdotcom provides...
Do the maths. You will not be doing 5% more damage because you will still be spending time in Battle Stance using Rend and Overpower, it'll be more like 4%. In order for a 4% DPS gain to translate into 3k, you would need to be doing over 90k DPS. A (very) few extra Heroic Strikes will not make up for that disparity.
nice guide, but 1 questions, do you know any addons that can track CS on the target?
I always lol at the pics you use! amazing job!
keep the good guides coming!
Ty
some things where unclear to me, Preach am i right if i say you have to put the macro on both
bars (Battle and Berserk) for it to work? Thx
Wow, Mike, you've brought my DPS up significantly with these macros. I can truthfully say, I'm pulling 3k more now! Thank you so much! Truly amazing. One more thing though, is there anyway to make the macros not look "dimmed" out when your not in the stance needed to cast them. I.E. - Rend, Overpower. This is confusing me a lot and sometimes I end up not applying my rend and overpower properly.
Ideally you pop shout and then charge. Then rend, CS, MS and the rotation is off. Do not use deadly calm before you run out of rage (after using ms+hs at the same time just after cs) because during Deadly Calm you get rage capped anyways. Use inner rage after Deadly Calm and try to get the rage down below 70% (still prioritizing slam as it is always better).
What about Inner Rage and the T13 2P? Should warriors be using it soon as Deadly Calm is over to bleed out any excess rage?
what does make you think that?
you will be doing around 5% more dmg (because of zerker stance)
also you are gaining more rage (i think)
so you can add in more heroic strikes
i can just judge from what happend to me
i was at 20k dps to a training puppet and now iam at close to 23k
works for me at least
Preach makes the most pro and interesting guides in wow, BROFIST!
great stuff my dps has gone up 10 fold :) thanks it was abit alien to me when i started but after doing raids all day it feels right and the dps is shocking
If you're doing 40k DPS. Then your DPS gain from stance dancing would be an absolute maximum of 1.6k assuming you have near perfect latency, perfect rotation and are hammering your macros incredibly fast. More realistically, you can expect a 1k DPS gain once you've mastered it, coupled with you taking more damage and less healing.
what UI are u using for your battle text? Mik's scrolling battle text?
Actually i prefer the Arms Warrior sound effect last time, it was all POW! POW! POW!
Hey Preach!! I set up all the macros on the video description, but i think i'm having a problem with the rage, since when i change stances i lost some of that rage and get down to 25 rage. What i'm doing wrong? I missed something in my spec?
This Preach was savage
What addon are you using for tracking rend and and colossus smash?
u mentioned the execute talent and blood an thunder, u have to skipp incite to get both of them, no?
Should I take 2 points out of incite to spread rend via blood and thunder or keep all 3 points in incite and single target mobs to apply rend then go for my AoE attacks for groups of mobs?...
What would be the best suggestion on this issue?...
Is it good to sd into heroic strike? or would that be a dps lost for dropping rage if i have over 75?
The easiest thing (in my opinion) is putting the macros on bars that don't change with different stances. Otherwise yes you have to put them on both.
Awesome guide bro.
I just managed to get extra 2k dps just because adding stance dance to my rotation !
Changed. Stance dance does not reset swing timer. If you're double tapping you need REALLY bad internet to be wasting cd off of overpower and ms (since you know when they're coming back up). Stance dancing is very "low risk high gain" in my opinion. I gain about 8% overall damage from dancing. Can't honestly see what's wrong about stance dancing unless your internet is so bad that you can't overpower or MS in time, which sort of also requries you to be bad at planning your rotation.
I have played my arms warrior without stance dancing and i do incrdible good dps. But i know stancedancing is way better but i dont get it really, like whats the rotation and what macros and attacksshould i have on battle stance and what macros and attacks should i have on berzerk stance?
shouldn't a arms warrior be hit and exp capped like all melee dps? just hit cap is enough?
on a serious note (sorry for spam comments) i noticed you are using slam? i see most warriors doing incite, but it seems slam arms spec is better because slam hits like a fucking 18 wheeler. ;o do you think slams better? or is it just opinion or preference?
Love you preach! This guide is amazing.
I was wondering how the macros would work. For example, activating berserker stance and casting mortal strike each cost 1 global cooldown. I thought macros could only span 1 global cooldown and contained non gcd spells with one gcd spell. Please enlighten me.
Omg Preach you awesome man i was so noob man you help me a lot dude i was having hard time with warrior becouse i started wow like few weeks ago so i went for hunter(easy mode) but i got really bord . So i went to my warrior tonight and damn is so fun to play man :). I play on Sylvanas server. Thx dude
has preach done an advanced fury dps guide yet? and on another note, love your vids preach, ive gotten so much better with my main and alts thanks to these vids
Hey preach! did you win the Sword on that video?
Hi there, I find that you can negate double tapping a lot of the time by using this macro for your stance dancing:
/cast [stance:1/2] Berserker Stance or /cast [stance:2/3] Battle Stance
I find these are much more reliable because they also allow you to jump from Defensive or Battle Stance into Zerker regardless. Nice for a PvP cross over to help with my Shield Wall Macro. Plus, if you are already in the right stance, it will just throw up the attack. Hope thats useful for ya
Wouldn't be a good idea to have a macro to put execute in berserker stance?
Loving the guide rocking the dps now. Easy 5k increase. A massive bro fist for a baller
Will you help me understand something please?, if I'm only smashing 4 buttons why do I need 10 macros for abilities?...
preach,you are hilarious! love your vids, lot's of love from norway mate! thanks
interface->combat-> custom lag tolorance you can set so that if you pop a spell 300ms before its ready it will be used when globalcd gets ready btw it is more keyboard friendly :D
Most helpful guide I've seen so far!
Your the best
1+ sub! :D
I don't really know why most arms prefer slam over heroic strike. Rage is idd not really an issue. Slam has a cast (interupting white hits) and only with the 2 talents it actually gets lower/equal to the global cooldown of heroic strike. Imo better put the 2 talents somewhere else and stick to heroic strike.
In my opinion there is no boss except for spine where blood and thunder is worth getting. All other bosses only require you to AoE about once every BS cd. Just my personal preference though, you may not agree. I don't get blood and thunder as the increase in damage is so very low from only 2 ticks on each target before the mobs die (with ofcourse the exception of spine).
ty Preach! My warrior was always my "alt". I couldnt figure the rotation out. Now he is my main! LOL GO WARRIORS!
Stance dancing does depend on your internet connection. If you have great latency, and great fps (frames per second)/response time, than you will notice a bit of a dps increase. If you have average latency, etc. it may drop your dps; reason - simple:
1. stance dance pushes back auto attack
2. stance dance also can slow your global cooldown
I have a couple videos up of my raids, check my channel. I do not stance dance due to not trusting my internet connection. I am looking into tho.
start with charge MS > rend , then start main rotation
Ms > Cs > Op > slam , hs at 60-70 + rage
love ur videos preach helped my dps out sooo much
When I use the macros and change stances with my strikes, it changes my action bar because I have switched into a new stance. Is there any way I can configure my action bars not to change when I change stances? An addon perhaps?
You could do that. What i do is just that i keep tapping MS putting me in zerker stance since you're using MS in berserker stance when executing anyways. But ye if you want to you could use a macro for that but I find it unnecessary.
sooooo whats teh specc for this ?? what do u take out to get stance mastery talent
beast guide mike :D NOW ILL GO EVOCATE DURING OVERLOAD RAAAARRR
Ideally you camp zerker stance till you need to overpower and then you go battle overpower zerk. So yes you could do that, I personally just hit MS to get back but using it for HS is viable, all got to do with what you like the best.
@mikepreachwow is stance dancin worth it ? and slam sucks ?
Is warrior better than a dk or Pally? or is it pref?
Is this the same spec you used in the 4.2 vid?
Yeah... A little update: I just beat the crap out of a ret paladin with hc dragon soul gear. And I'm ilvl 393... These macros works. No question about it. Sub. Well. Earned.
Helped out soooooooo much. Brofist to you preach.
Great vid Preach makes me want to cap my rusty old warrior.
Baller BROFIST /Greyfool
stance dancing in pvp is only used for defensive abilities such as shield wall and spell reflect.
can you link your charecters armory link in the description, it would help me alot.
I just maxed a Arms Warrior, I was so happy when i saw this
Fu**ing amazing video man!, hell you got ME excited just watching!
Keep up the good videos and dont stop!, peace.
Great video Preach, keep it up
In my honest opinion if you're doing 11k then you're doing something wrong (yes i realize you're in blue gear). Try the rotation out on the dummies, it does help. Even really skilled players in high end guilds have said they gain dps from hitting the dummies, perfecting the rotation. You can look at Fatboss's guide for Spine if you want proof.
youve done it again preach excellent vid!
so what techniques should i use for maximum burst
this is just amazing when it comes to simplyfying things. Nice vid with Epic Warrior.(spell correct)
@Anonimo1234567890100 you will have the buff still by the time u hit rend, then switch to a nice fat berserker stance colossus ms
Ok some of your info is not correct.
1. You do want to get expertize to 26. You do not want to have for example a execute, of up to several hundred thousand, being dodged (that OP would be a poor replacement).
2. Sweeping strikes during Bladestorm is very useful if the AoE is burst focused (ex Madness). The sweeping strikes will not proc on the whirlwinds from BS but they will proc from your opportunity strikes during the BS. For sustained AoE it is however better to use one after the other.
Only one request preachy, we need a video for your baller keybindings!
i don't play warrior i just enjoy the commentary
First time viewer. Loved the video man keep it up bro
does he show talents? If he does please comment
do u need bars that dont change with stance to use the macros
when you hit a macro that requires battle stance, it should pop you back into battle stance.
whats the nameplates that show buffs above targets name?
Please tell us what addons you use
Why?? can you elaborate?
I love your commentating, fucken brilliant!
@ElegantArtz Well, Its been 2 years since you last played.
Its a completley different game now. Yes, come back and play and see if you liek it :) alot of things have changed for the better. :)
@Arieswargods thunderclap spreads rend to all targets via blood and thunder. Certainly not a waste my good man.
Wow thanks man, boosted my single target dps by 5K! :D No cooldowns at all just a simple rotation! :D
@drumaine27 yes baller, spam those macros as your telling the game to do 2 things, change stance, then cast op
We're back
I have an addon for Slam that plays "Come on and slam!" from Space Jam. Thats why i play Arma
Great vid man as always =)
Combat Rogue next!!!
Can u do ret pally or aff lock advanced guide next.