The Cr[AI]tive Revolution - The Future of Art (Full Documentary)

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  • Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
  • AI is here. Artists, game developers, writers, voice actors, video creators... All creative industries are about to be rattled up like never before. What does this mean for creatives? How can you prepare? What does the future hold? In this full length (and ad-free) documentary I want to invite you to a deep dive into the topic of AI. I don't have all the answers, but we need to start having a nuanced discussion about this right now before it's to late!
    Collaborators:
    - David Shapiro: / @davidshapiroautomator
    - Yän: / @yaengamedev
    - Thomas Brush: / @thomasbrush
    - TheShelfman: / @theshelfman
    Sources:
    1) Sam Altman Interview by Greylock • OpenAI CEO Sam Altman ...
    2) Life in Life • Life in life
    3) The End of Art by Steven Zapata Art: • The End of Art: An Arg...
    4) A Message to Artists by ChrissaBug: • A message to Artists c...
    5) Robot Tax by David Shapiro: • Proposing a ROBOT Tax:...
    Time Stamps:
    0:00 - Intro
    ------------------------
    2:08 - CHAPTER 1: HOW IT WORKS
    2:44 - How Image Generation Works
    5:30 - How AI Works Using Math
    10:09 - How Text Generation Works
    13:58 - Can AI Be Creative?
    ------------------------
    16:13 - CHAPTER 2: THE PROTESTS
    17:10 - Copyright Problems
    21:27 - Overfitting
    24:16 - Stealing Art Styles
    26:13 - Replacing Artists
    30:10 - A New Chapter Begins
    ------------------------
    35:39 - CHAPTER 3: THE TOOLS
    35:57 - Image Generation
    40:59 - Collaborating With Art AI
    46:40 - Fine Tuning Custom Models
    48:38 - Text Generation
    51:37 - Collaborating With Text AI
    54:32 - The AI Race (Google vs. Microsoft)
    56:03 - Music Generation
    57:50 - Collaborating With Music AI
    58:52 - MusicLM Seems Insane
    1:00:47 - Voice Generation
    1:01:33 - Speech to Speech
    1:02:50 - Text to Speech
    1:03:51 - Audio Enhancement
    1:04:37 - Everything Will Be Generated
    ------------------------
    1:06:38 - CHAPTER 4: THE FUTURE
    1:08:35 - Human vs. Machine Comparison
    1:11:42 - Speed of Development
    1:14:53 - Predictions
    1:19:16 - The Social Contract
    1:20:59 - AI Agents Online
    1:24:23 - More Risk Factors
    1:25:56 - When Humans Become Useless & Mindset
    1:27:26 - Forge Your Own Path
    1:31:25 - What You Can Do (Let's Talk!)
    Tools:
    A) Midjourney: www.midjourney.com/home/
    B) Dall-E 2: openai.com/dall-e-2/
    C) Stable Diffusion on PlaygroundAI: playgroundai.com/
    D) OpenAI Playground (Text Completion): platform.openai.com/playground
    E) Chat GPT: openai.com/blog/chatgpt/
    F) AI-Upscaling: imgupscaler.com/
    G) Style Transfer: neuralstyle.art/
    H) Artbreeder: www.artbreeder.com/
    I) Stable Diffusion (One Click Install): github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffu...
    J) Astria (Training Custom Models): www.astria.ai/
    K) Soundraw: soundraw.io/
    L) Amper Music (They are only on Shutterstock now, eww!): www.shutterstock.com/discover...
    M) Aiva: www.aiva.ai/
    N) MusicLM Previews: google-research.github.io/sea...
    O) AlteredAI Speech to Speech: www.altered.ai/
    P) Elevenlabs Text to Speech: beta.elevenlabs.io/
    Q) Adobe Speech Enhancement: podcast.adobe.com/enhance
    R) E-Mastered: emastered.com/
    Check Out My Games:
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    What do you think? Anything I missed or got wrong? Please let me know and keep the discussion in the comment section civilized. Thank you! :)
    #ai #artificialintelligence

Комментарии • 1,8 тыс.

  • @JonasTyroller
    @JonasTyroller  Год назад +452

    I don't have all the answers. Your opinion matters. Keep the discussion civilized and let's talk!

    • @slimboarder.o7
      @slimboarder.o7 Год назад +10

      Ai good

    • @epicfilms4life507
      @epicfilms4life507 Год назад +6

      I think Ai is alright...

    • @DissonantSynth
      @DissonantSynth Год назад +56

      My argument has always been that AI should **enhance** the creative/artistic process, not **replace** it.

    • @AngryecksButActually
      @AngryecksButActually Год назад +12

      @@DissonantSynth person who draws stuff here, I love you.

    • @DissonantSynth
      @DissonantSynth Год назад +11

      @@AngryecksButActually I'm a singer, pianist and music producer, so I'm extremely passionate about all this AI stuff as well. I'm really just trying my best to look out for artists. That includes Jonas.

  • @sammtavv
    @sammtavv Год назад +421

    Dear jonas, I really have to congratulate you. You've worked your hardest to keep posting content on RUclips and making cool games and programs. This documentary is probably the peak of your effort. You are really a success of a person.

    • @JonasTyroller
      @JonasTyroller  Год назад +43

      Thank you! :)

    • @titok0018
      @titok0018 Год назад

      @@JonasTyroller the beggining of humans is kinda cool if you tell the ai make a picture about this

  • @fieryimmortal
    @fieryimmortal Год назад +59

    To be fair, the only reason I was able to guess that they were all AI generated, was because I wasn't playing the ''image guessing'' game, I was playing the ''predicting the youtuber trying to prove a point about that you're not able to tell the difference between the real and fake images'' game.

    • @rodnee2340
      @rodnee2340 Год назад +1

      Some of the facial gestures are typically AI I think. For instance it does this eyebrow raising thing that just looks a little off or predictable.

    •  Год назад +1

      @@rodnee2340 Depends. There is no such thing as a typical thing though. It could be a feature of the model (the trained network used) if that was what was wanted.

    • @rodnee2340
      @rodnee2340 Год назад +1

      @ well that explains the fact it looks unnatural and predictable. Uncanny valley so to speak. I think we are a very long way in making avatars and machines look human. But CGIs of humans are getting there. But they never look quite natural. And it's hard to put your finger on it.

    • @nomindseye
      @nomindseye 11 месяцев назад +1

      AI is easily spotted in bigger resolution. That's why it's still not even close professionally usable. 2k is not big enough for print, and when even it's that big it's obvious that it's an AI image. It's not actually about the mistakes, it's the... Well the algorithm. It generates these sort of impressionist images, but with a "style" of "brushstrokes" that are super obvious to anyone who actually looks at art critically.

  • @netanelaker4437
    @netanelaker4437 Год назад +30

    Gotta love how the corporates' priority, and by extension, humanity's priority, isn't to cure cancer with A.I, fix climate change, fix human suffrage in third world countries, etc, but to replace creatives and fight who is going to have the better means of control upon us.
    And you also gotta love how we all must say "these corporations are too powerful, and the toys they are giving me are too fun" instead of putting checks and balances.
    Gotta love humanity overall.

    • @sonar3108
      @sonar3108 Год назад

      I feel like we're digital twins. Solidarity.

    • @Paradox1012
      @Paradox1012 Год назад

      Play xenoblade 3 and then come back and tell me that corporate and humanity are "the same thing". You aren't seeing the whole only a Half.

    • @netanelaker4437
      @netanelaker4437 Год назад

      @@sonar3108 Solidarity brother :) may we survive this insane time!

    • @netanelaker4437
      @netanelaker4437 Год назад +2

      @@Paradox1012
      Corporations literally run the world. I don't care where you live - your government is lobbied hard by corporations. This comment is on RUclips, a corporation. Everything you consume is a corporation. I can go on and on but spare me.

    • @Paradox1012
      @Paradox1012 Год назад +2

      @@netanelaker4437 But corporations are not humanity itself. You worded it this way and I vehemently disagree with that position.

  • @soirema
    @soirema Год назад +69

    34:00 the protest on ArtStation isnt to just boycote AI, its to protect their work from being stolen to the database, and signify that it was human generated

    • @SineEyed
      @SineEyed Год назад +1

      I love that they did that because it shows unequivocally that they have no fucking idea how ai image generation happens. The artists against ai have taken their position out of blind ignorance. It's both hilarious and disappointing at the same time..

    • @flow185
      @flow185 Год назад +35

      @@SineEyed bruh they litterally get their work stolen

    • @SineEyed
      @SineEyed Год назад +3

      @@flow185 no images were "stolen". You must not know what that word means.. 😒

    • @strawbeare
      @strawbeare Год назад +28

      ​@@SineEyed you definitely do not know what your talking about for you to have the audacity to say they're art weren't being stolen, and EVEN MORE audacity to say that they don't know what it means to steal something

    • @SineEyed
      @SineEyed Год назад

      @@strawbeare in your opinion, maybe. If anyone were to make an objective analysis of the facts, however, it is quite unlikely that they would find themselves in agreement with you..

  • @DoodleChaos
    @DoodleChaos Год назад +347

    Amazing job on this documentary Jonas! Your hard work on this really shows!

    • @junyong0716
      @junyong0716 Год назад +1

      hello

    • @cerostymc
      @cerostymc Год назад

      Hard work, yes. But that doesn't mean everything he says is right. Sadly there were a lot of dismissive arguments regarding the "is AI art theft" debate...

    • @Dindonmasker
      @Dindonmasker Год назад +1

      coming from you, this is a massive compliment.

    • @Zoova
      @Zoova Год назад

      Love your work DoodleChaos

    • @SineEyed
      @SineEyed Год назад +1

      @@cerostymc yeah but there really is no debate. Ai art is not theft in any way, shape, or form. Those who think differently should first remedy their own ignorance, before doing much of anything else..

  • @YaenGamedev
    @YaenGamedev Год назад +176

    It's a pleasure to be included as a little part of this massive project. Thank you, and great work on the documentary, Jonas. I hope this reaches, informs and inspires as many people as possible.

  • @dungeoneering1974
    @dungeoneering1974 Год назад +396

    It is hard to have a nuanced discussion when a bunch of artificial artists ("prompt engineers") enter the field of art and intentionally insult professional artists, antagonize them, steal their work, and then claim to be art gods. All while threatening to end their careers.

    • @netanelaker4437
      @netanelaker4437 Год назад +53

      The only good take in this comment section. Thank you.

    • @maxponce1668
      @maxponce1668 Год назад +35

      Me thinks that's the usual toxicity when something new drops, specially when you read the really shitty stuff that artists say and then the ai users answer something ever worse and so on. TLDR the internet being r*tarded

    • @sonar3108
      @sonar3108 Год назад

      I hear you. They are colonizing the core of the world of each artists' creation, but people expect artists to be nice about it. Check out Decolonial AI Manyfesto, which some Stanford students created. The main voice behind it did a talk that is worth watching and that you can find on RUclips. It's titled "Sawubona" Ubuntu Ethics for AI by Sabelo Mhlambi. I'm learning that the parallels with colonization are very real and the exploitation is at every stage and global, including underpaying Kenyan workers to sift through horrific content to clean up ChatGPT. Imagine if we all joined forces.

    • @netanelaker4437
      @netanelaker4437 Год назад +33

      @@sonar3108
      I'll read about it. I knew about the Kenyan workers. The thing is - A.I tech bros think that companies like OpenAI wants to usher a new era of prosperity and a utopia. One should only point out that a foundation built on slavery and exploitation isn't a utopia, and it never will. Also, if they think a corporation would build the tools to dismantle Capitalism, the very system they worship - that's just won't be.
      The thing that we need is ethical, FOR THE WORKERS A.I generative models and companies, possibly decentralized. Show the people that A.I shouldn't be synonymous with destabilization and exploitation and that there is another way.

    • @sonar3108
      @sonar3108 Год назад +30

      @@netanelaker4437 Yes, it's mind boggling how many people just trust the tech industry as though it is any different from any other exploitative industry. I guess this is partly because so many of us are wedded to our phones and laptops that they seem like an extension of us. We've become so reliant on tech that we take them at their word even when they brazenly break the law.

  • @ghb323
    @ghb323 Год назад +8

    I’m not against any tools or systems themselves, I’m against the lazy people that are flooding art sites with garbage. Hands with extra fingers and blending with other body part, continuity issues on the negative space, and overall weird errors on the image. Plus they’re often generic (100s of pictures whose character have the same faces). Any bad person can rapidly “spam” garbage content on the site and render finding actual art as finding a needle in a haystack. Even if the copyright problem is fixed, gaining an audience (views, subscribers, patreon supporters) is much harder than ever.

    • @ghb323
      @ghb323 Год назад

      This can also cause moderation headaches. Because of its speed and its resemblance to real art, automated moderation isn’t able to tell what work is AI generated, stolen content, or real art.
      Imangine these so-called “YTPMV” (youtube poop music videos, music videos made using samples from other sources such as sound effects) veg replace shuric scans (appears extremely often if you look up “YTPMV” and search by most recent, thumbnails consist of 3 canvas stacked in the center and 2 canvas on either side of it, all being 42 seconds long) made by amateur users. But a lot less obvious. With a platform infested with garbage at such a degree, may very well make finding content as hard as finding a shiny pokémon.

  • @KiewieGames
    @KiewieGames Год назад +50

    My guy casually dropping this masterpiece like it’s a normal video

  • @VertexCarver
    @VertexCarver Год назад +114

    Having spent the past 6 years with a part time job to enter the creative industry, there's always going to be room for the best. However, I can't see how this won't kill the majority of entry jobs in the creative industry.
    In my opinion, cleaning up the A.I's illustration to me, sucks any joy out of the job. There's a huge difference if you're just tangetial to being a specialist & hold loose opinions about this. But don't go full Dunning-Kruger & state that it's fine as it is.
    Btw, the A.I. is very skewed toward the top 1% of art in its data set as it's the desired outcome. The majority of it's training is done by the body of work of professionals without our permission. All traning data is not created equal so it's not as far removed as you guys insinuate. It's happening regardless is not a valid argument for exploitation & misuse.

    • @Antares-vj7su
      @Antares-vj7su Год назад +37

      Exactly, people put some emotional music in the background and start talking about how art is deep inside human emotions so artists will be happy 4ever and ever. Art is business, artists are hired and if there is a solution around that is 100x cheaper, faster and doesn't even require sleep well they will wipe thir butt with human emotions. AI is already replacing creative jobs and it will be a doomsday for the industry.

    • @ennmatien9941
      @ennmatien9941 Год назад +38

      Yup, also its not like its gonna "create new jobs" As tech evangelists would claim. No one is worried about their job taken by them, the job will dissapear in the first place. No one is gonna pay someone to do abysmall labour like typing prompts, Just cut the middleman.
      What would likely to happen for big studios is that the already senior artists would be required to generate and fix the mush that ai vomits with their technical skills, while firing all the junior artists. For indie studios, well no need to commission artists anymore.
      No one is getting a new job by adapting to this, it is not just a tool, it will mow entire industries.

    • @crepooscul
      @crepooscul Год назад +31

      @@ennmatien9941 Tech evangelists say that "this will create more jobs" while also saying that "AI art is good for indie devs, because they no longer need to pay artists" which is just hilariously contradictory.(undeservingly that is, because like it or not, the most important part of generating AI images is the actual artwork of artists that's used by the software while they get NOTHING in return for their hard work).
      So this is pure baffling insanity. We as humans are charging into chaos with nothing other than baseless optimism as an argument for why doing it is a good idea.

    • @joyfulnoize6958
      @joyfulnoize6958 Год назад +9

      ​@@crepooscul it's almost like the ones in charge could give zero f's.
      Crushed under the monster truck wheels of 'Progress'

    • @crepooscul
      @crepooscul Год назад

      @@joyfulnoize6958 Of course they don't give an f. Just like the common fool who pushes for this nonsense should learn that those in charge will not give an f when they'll lose their jobs, they won't get their utopian "UBI", and instead they'll starve.

  • @jhhwild
    @jhhwild Год назад +45

    I think AI art will likely drive artists offline to create "organic human made" art to distinguish themselves from AI. If AI art is indistinguishable from the real thing artists will have to go out of their way to prove they actually made the art themselves, maybe a video of the entire process of making the art will be included as a certificate of authenticity. Or even live art making in front of an audience. People forget that we appreciate impressive human talent.

    • @mikexhotmail
      @mikexhotmail Год назад

      Indeed.
      ps. It is kind of funny to realize that those amateur Tiktokers are much more "Original" than digital artist?

    • @kellyanquoe
      @kellyanquoe Год назад +2

      First heard this opinion in 2005

    • @jhhwild
      @jhhwild Год назад +1

      @@kellyanquoe Was AI art a thing back then?

    • @mikeduke57
      @mikeduke57 Год назад +4

      A lot of artists post video clips on Instagram and other Social Media of them drawing / painting etc a work in progress at different stages of development.

    • @johncasey9544
      @johncasey9544 Год назад +2

      I think there will be a huge evolution in electronic music about manipulating ai to make weird alien unheard stuff. As a musician that's what I'm planning to do; much more interesting than learning an instrument better.

  • @Goodgis
    @Goodgis Год назад +92

    I really appreciate you taking the time to make this, Jonas. It's incredibly import as it effects the future for everyone. Thanks so much!

  • @idkbruh173
    @idkbruh173 Год назад +149

    I think AI is going to be perfect for feeding the masses, like you describe in 27:20 In my opinion, a lot of self expression has already turned into "content", just make a new tiktok account and look at the stuff you get. For this type of stuff, AI will be perfect. It will make stuff that grabs your attention, you give it a like, and scroll to next one. I am already sick of effortless,attention grabbing content on the internet, and I think as time goes on, it will only become more effortless and more soulless because of AI. This would probably lead to more and more people getting sick of the content, and looking for stuff with personality, and creative expression, which would lead to more creators making that type of content again.

    • @ITR
      @ITR Год назад +41

      One problem is that the more trash there is, the more difficult it will be for actual good content to be discoverable.

    • @Paradox1012
      @Paradox1012 Год назад

      ​@@ITR A War Of Siphoning And Dividing Data Will Ocurr Then.

    • @tomatom9666
      @tomatom9666 Год назад +11

      @@ITR The trash is darwinian, it's survival of the fittest, if you get stuck mindlessly scrolling, it's a lot like falling in to pit of quicksand, it's crucial that all of us develop very precise abilities to separate the gold from trash

    • @ITR
      @ITR Год назад +27

      @@tomatom9666 The problem isn't being able to separate good from bad, the problem is how many bad you need to look at before finding something good.

    • @ZephyrinSkies
      @ZephyrinSkies Год назад +6

      I don't think we should discount the potential damage to people's collective mental health where they may be less capable or motivated to seek out quality content.

  • @hanh7395
    @hanh7395 Год назад +45

    Thanks for making this video. I'm an illustrator and I was thoroughly depressed by AI art. Now after watching this video, I'm still depressed, I'm not sure if I'm more depressed or less. But hey at least now I know I'm not alone. We can all be sad humans together. Ignore my profile picture, I am not a cat.

    • @swissyode
      @swissyode Год назад +11

      as someone who has always aspired to be an illustrator, but never felt talented enough, I feel now I'll never be good enough and so there's no reason to try and that I should give up on all my dreams.

    • @Cyliandre441
      @Cyliandre441 Год назад +9

      @@swissyode Don't, your art doesn't have to be profitable or popular to have value. Even of your art doesn't make money or is wonky it is something only you can create. Your dreams are more important than anything else, everything should be in service to them. They should always have a place in your life, no matter how big or small.

    • @hanh7395
      @hanh7395 Год назад +6

      @@swissyode I feel you dude. And that's a sad fact. I'm afraid more and more people will spend less time trying to learn how to draw and instead learn the technical shit behind setting up how to make AI art.
      But I guess it boils down to interest or passion. If you're really interested in learning art I guess you'll continue regardless if there's a financial incentive or not.
      And think about it, if more and more people use AI to create art, those of us who still can do it will be part of the uncommon.
      But like the video have mentioned, it doesn't hurt to learn how to do both. At least we'll be part of the spectrum of AI + human art.
      Don't give up 👍🏻

    • @dustasdu
      @dustasdu Год назад +10

      I'm going through a masive meaning crisis. This whole AI thing shaked my entire world.
      Im a trained artist, I work in theater and I make music in my free time so art is my reason to live. There's nothing more important to me.
      I dont think about this shit every day but I know there's a storm coming. I hope for the best, but I just dont know yet.
      I send you my love!

    • @defaulted9485
      @defaulted9485 Год назад

      @@swissyode I feel you dude, it's a vicious cycle of suffering knowing we human will be fractured and now exposed to real people who does not even see another human as you talk to them.
      As a preface I say AI is evil because we paid it thrice to extort us. First they took our copyright. Second they took a culture and profit off without the people who preserves it. Third and mainly, it costs a lot of server power, graphic power, energy drain, and absurd electrical power to train the AI, to remove eco friendly people who power their art using their own sweat, blood, and tears.
      It's just an abomination to the environment, and look what governments do.
      Sell Carbon Credits for eco friendly company. Forget the individuals who already does it in a practical and environmentally safe technique. THEY ARE MONETIZING COMMON SENSE, MONETIZING WELLNESS, MONETIZING KINDNESS, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO JUSTIFY THIS?
      I haven't found any answer to combat this since its a systematic international bureaucratic financially motivated evil, but I can say for certain the age of "Dead/Bot Internet Theory" is at hand. Now we may only see artists in real life, who worked through sweat and tears as we see them. For all things impermanent, including AI, but I will always remember the artists who helped me become what I am. Citation and Reference fails evil people, and such will be my guide.
      Thank you Junji Ito, janyhero, Yoneyama Mai, Kuraiaku, whoisshe, shnva, Scootkenn, Popukyun, Ask, jacknife, azLing, Wincalblanke, Kuroblood, Kim Jung Gi, Masashi Kishimoto, Eiichiro Oda, Kubo Tite, Alex Hirsch, Isaac Asimov, Niccolo Machiavelli, Salvador Dali, Vincent van Gogh, Pablo Picasso, Rembrandt, Michelangelo, Akira Toriyama, Osamu Tezuka, Hayao and Goro Miyazaki, Makoto Shinkai, Quentin Tarantino, Martin Scorsese, and Stephen King.
      I have come full circle. Thanks to my parents to not believe everything on the internet, now I shall help them not believe anything in the internet. I guess this would most likely be the last year where we anonymously see others as humans anymore.
      So long, anonymous user. May your real life now escapes this fakeness anonymity of chaos.

  • @snoteleks9955
    @snoteleks9955 Год назад +5

    How grim and depressing. Interesting video regardless.

  • @oneir0mancer
    @oneir0mancer Год назад +58

    When people discuss AI, a lot of the times they present it as some abstract magical entity that one day will replace us or something. But in reality AI doesn't exist in and of itself. There's always a human actor involved. Whether it is a person creating and training AI or a person just using it, there always is someone "pushing the button".
    So the issues we're now facing aren't really about the AI. They are about how we as humans interact with each other. Be it something practical like copyright laws and art theft, or something philosophical like what we consider "art". AI just managed to push these issues to their extreme in a really short span of time, applied enough pressure to reveal the problems we've been sweeping under the rug.
    In that regard, it is unfair to blame "AI" for anything. It is actually helping us by forcing us to face these problems.

    • @Survivalist_Redo
      @Survivalist_Redo Год назад +12

      You remind me of guns
      It just manifests the symptoms of a disease that was already there

    • @JonasTyroller
      @JonasTyroller  Год назад +25

      Interesting point, yeah. AI is not autonomous yet, however I wouldn't be on it never getting there. If that's something that interests you, I can recommend to watch some stuff by David (link in description) who talks about mental architectures a lot. Besides that I think you are probably right, for the foreseeable future AI is mostly a human problem. The AI is fed with human data as well, so the fact that this first version of Bing Chat is emotionally unstable is more like a mirror in front of our face.

    • @MrAldafox
      @MrAldafox Год назад +5

      My thoughts exactly. AI is thought of as to be some nebulous thing where as like you say, it ultimately has people behind it. In a way what you're seeing is a group of people (the class of those behind the development and funding of AI technologies) consolidating their power and convincing all of us to buy into it and bolster them up.

    • @tomatom9666
      @tomatom9666 Год назад +3

      It's an extrusion of humanity. If you know something about 3d modelling you know what I mean.

    • @jayedwin98020
      @jayedwin98020 Год назад

      Hopefully, "AI" will have the ability to expand each person's talents from where they currently are.
      Although, I'm afraid the "negatives of AI" are very real, and just waiting to pounce.

  • @naytron210
    @naytron210 Год назад +18

    This is, by far, the best piece of content that you've made Jonas. And that's saying a lot, your stuff has always been consistently great. Deep, thoughtful, explored from all sides, funny, friendly, and professional. Next level my friend, your passion really shines in this one.

  • @thomasbrush
    @thomasbrush Год назад +1

    Thanks for having me Jonas. You are a master of RUclips and game dev. I’m just in awe of what you’ve made here

  • @coryjamescooper
    @coryjamescooper Год назад +4

    Just as much as an artist continuing to make art because they enjoy it should be able to still feed, shelter, and care for themselves,
    so should the people stocking the stores shelves.
    so should the people packing amazon orders.
    so should the people growing food.
    so should the people delivering food.
    so should the people serving food.
    so should the people creating automobiles.
    so should the people caring for others.
    This notion of "entry level jobs" not being deserving of being able to afford to live is ridiculous when just 50 years ago someone doing the same labor was able to afford such things.

    • @netanelaker4437
      @netanelaker4437 Год назад +1

      Yap. Notice how tech is evolving while the quality of life remains the same.

  • @TheShelfman
    @TheShelfman Год назад +20

    This documentary is insane. Great job on it Jonas! Proud to be able to say I helped. Looking forward to seeing what people think. (Now go take a nap)

  • @_remblanc
    @_remblanc Год назад +46

    What is being meant when people talk about AI being a grift is not that the technology itself is a grift, but rather that many grifters have caught onto it and are trying to deliberately devalue the work of artists and probe the publications working with artists and paying them money. These people see generative AI as a get-rich-quick scheme to speedrun art without putting in much of a real effort, and that really sucks.
    P.S. Cryptographic proof doesn’t need to be tied to a blockchain, let’s stop forcing this “Web3” meme for good.

    • @JonasTyroller
      @JonasTyroller  Год назад +8

      Fair point.

    • @SineEyed
      @SineEyed Год назад

      @Jane Smith tell me where your biases are, without telling me where your biases are. Sheesh! lol
      But anyway... the information you're presupposing with your little hypotheticals there, has been around for a while. You could have gone and read those TOS yourself, but for some reason, you decided not to. And then you made the choice to comment here, letting everyone know how lazy and ignorant you actually are. Go figure.. 😒

    • @hellomate639
      @hellomate639 Год назад +4

      AI is worse than that.
      AI would be a horror in a society where people don't have to work. It creates numbing stimulation in the place of meaningful connection - and it uses the sacred expressive moments mechanically morphed into a machine to do it.

  • @SantaKask
    @SantaKask Год назад +6

    A masterpiece. You going all-in in the tools you showed us, instead of the usual RUclipsr route of minimal effort into maximal content is my favourite part.

  • @Dani17
    @Dani17 Год назад +30

    This video is amazing, the effort put into it is truly speechless. I've understood and learned lots of things from this. Great video Jonas, keep going.

  • @overglocked
    @overglocked Год назад +33

    Awesome video man. You can really feel the heart and effort that went into it, the passion behind it, the human in it. And that makes art. So thanks Jonas, for something deeply nuanced in a time of turbulence.

    • @swissyode
      @swissyode Год назад

      sure, this will be a rare jem once all the videos are being cranked out by AI.

  • @skjoldgames
    @skjoldgames Год назад +9

    I've been reading Human Compatible, listening to Lex Friedman's interviews with AI giants and overall researching the hell out of basic things like the alignment issue, but I didn't expect to find such an insightful and well thought out video on the subject from another game developer. Good work Jonas, and also Thomas for his part.

  • @hyperbotzz
    @hyperbotzz Год назад +19

    I did not watch this video at first because of the length, but thank god I finally decided to do it. This was a very informative and mind blowing documentary. Jonas your hard work really shows.
    Thank you for this masterpiece of a video

    • @TalEdds
      @TalEdds Год назад

      ​@John Sinatra Great outlook and sentiment. Should have posted it as a comment on its own. People need to think more like you instead of being their pessimistic and dystopic self. 👍

  • @IamYoYo666
    @IamYoYo666 Год назад +13

    Fantastic video on a very intriguing and important topic. Timing also could not be any better(considering all recent advances and Microsoft vs Google stuff).
    AI changes the world at the insane pace and no one really knows what comes, but it's here to stay, that's 4sure.
    I watched the whole thing almost in one go. Just excellent! From overview of technologies and their applications to deep philosophical questions about morality, potential future and overall role of h00mans on this journey... Bravo! This is definitely one of your best videos Jonas! You are truly a gem of community. Everyone involved did an amazing job. Thank you for the video!

  • @DissonantSynth
    @DissonantSynth Год назад +7

    Re: replacing artists.
    Human-produced art will never stop being created, but its prevalence and the motivation to create it will certainly be inhibited by economic factors. No job = no money = no time and resources.

    • @MrDelord39
      @MrDelord39 Год назад

      No time is just wrong. You just have less time because you have to do it in your free time.

    • @beaverson
      @beaverson Год назад

      @@MrDelord39 Will all just be stuck working at amazon warehouses forever, having are futures and voices stripped from use.. All slaves, forever working for the 1%..

  • @jolozs
    @jolozs Год назад +55

    Honestly, I hope that with the age of AI, people behind art, code and even making AIs themselves get appreciated more by having people see that "someone put work into this".

    • @shieldmaidensnusnu
      @shieldmaidensnusnu Год назад +44

      none of it would exist without those people on which it gained it's value, without them it would have no value or not nearly as interesting as it is right now. BUt instead of appreciation I see most of the time how artists, writers, aso except for the coders get bullied, disrespected and even completely dehumanized.
      As someone who comes from the game industry, dealt with AI aso and watching this whole show for at least 9 months and all the problems my collegues and friends had to face I have only complette utter disdain for the main AI devs and the AI community which is indiscribable.
      I never thought I would find myself hating humans so much.

    • @NycroLP
      @NycroLP Год назад

      @@shieldmaidensnusnu Amen. The AI community is truly the most disgusting shit Ive seen.

    • @crepooscul
      @crepooscul Год назад

      @@shieldmaidensnusnu The most disgusting thing I've seen in relation to this AI garbage is the sheer amount of people harboring juvenile ideas of utopia and baseless optimism. "We'll all get replaced by AI. That means no more jobs and free money for everyone!". Absolute batshit madness.

    • @mazerumaze
      @mazerumaze Год назад +9

      Here's one issue with that.
      No one who is reasonable is denying that to get actual good results with AI, you need to figure out how to do the prompting well and spend a lot of time adjusting and sifting the prompts.
      But that does not mean that they deserve the same *type* of respect as artists, or that they should be respected for the same things. They shouldn't. They are very, very different things; with some overlap, to be sure, as with many other tools, but it's like how someone who is good at doing photoshop touch-ups would not be respected for the same things as a painter, but it's not impossible to have elements of photoshopping in digital painting creation. It's a scale.
      And the quite honestly with the snobbish and condescending attitude almost all of the AI community seems to exude... they have forfeited any right to be respected as a whole and have long now entered a category of only exceptions deserving it in the eyes of many actual creators.

    • @InjuredMuffin2
      @InjuredMuffin2 Год назад +8

      @@mazerumaze I myself use ai as part of my creative process, and i also noticed the snobby attitude a large number of AI users have, i completely agree with you that they don't deserve the same amount of respect as genuine artists, a prompt can be made in 10 to 30 minutes (for a reasonably good prompt that is) a genuine good piece of art can take days if not longer, and on top of that it needs skill and mastery of the medium, which is why i doubt AI will replace artists, people will want the human aspect of art, Ai art to me isnt that impressive now that its so commonplace, i know how its done, if anything AI should really mostly be used for placeholders (like temporary textures or sprites in games) and inspiration (when you know what you want to do but can't figure out the details of it), good luck using AI art in a finished product cause you really won't get what you truly want out of it

  • @Shinesart
    @Shinesart Год назад +12

    This is the best video about AI related I've watched in RUclips. You really balance for both sides and pros and cons. I just hope people would think like you with fair mind. We have to be really careful or all of us will lose our mean for lively hood.

  • @ihateithereseason2
    @ihateithereseason2 Год назад +3

    This is one of the best A.I opinion vids I've seen yet . A.I , we seem to be applying it to art first . Thats very human.

  • @Skeffles
    @Skeffles Год назад +11

    Absolutely brilliant video Jonas! AI is a huge topic and you've really managed to dive deep into many conversations around it.
    Personally I think there is a lot of worry right now because we don't know how far AI will go, it seems like it has a lot of space to grow and that is understandably worrying. If we take a moment to understand the tools we have right now, work out how best to use them and how we want to use them then I think things will be okay. It's just going to take a moment to adjust.

  • @madscientistmikhail
    @madscientistmikhail Год назад +7

    You are one of the few people I know and have heard say that our opinions can be different but we can be friends. My wife and I have best friends that have nearly opposite opinions and viewpoints as us. We wouldn't hate them for anything. I wish everyone could be that way. Thank you for your content!

  • @projectavalongame
    @projectavalongame Год назад +10

    I have nothing to add to the conversation right now, but I just want to say that this was a great documentary and I hope it blows up and gets a lot of views, awesome job!

  • @kzonix
    @kzonix Год назад +4

    I never expected something like this, but this is by far your best video. Respect for disabling ads on this hour and a half masterpiece.

  • @EMunch-pv7lq
    @EMunch-pv7lq Год назад +4

    Time stamp 5:30... hands down the best explainer I've found yet on how AI's work and the 'training' process. Chat GPT itself didnt do as well of a job explaining this, which tells me it still has a way to go... thank you for this!

  • @austensperry4163
    @austensperry4163 Год назад +24

    Excellent documentary, Jonas! I admire your diligent effort to investigate the pros and cons of this topic while remaining generally neutral in the process. Also, thank you for making yourself vulnerable enough to admit to your fears. I also fear the possibility that I will never know what is true and what is not via the internet. Thank you for the monumental effort you put into making this video! It came out great, and I’ve learned quite a lot from it!
    I’m not sure how popular my opinion is, but as AI and computer technologies become more prevalent, I find I want less and less contact with them. To me, the convenience comes at the price of keeping me from growing as a person, from thinking, and from experiencing things myself versus just watching others experience them.

    • @jayedwin98020
      @jayedwin98020 Год назад +1

      You're worried that "AI" has the potential for stopping your growth as an individual. As an artist, an "AI" designer, or just a person, if you continue to push your own limits, and then once reached, try and go beyond them, hopefully you will never be satisfied with "just watching". Never let yourself become complacent, no matter what your endeavors might be.

  • @Mekhel
    @Mekhel Год назад +9

    The quality of this video is absolutely incredible! It was a pleasure watching it from start to finish!!

    • @Mekhel
      @Mekhel Год назад

      You know you've succeeded on RUclips when scammers are using your name to scam ppl.

  • @JCoder12
    @JCoder12 Год назад +2

    As a roblox game dev roblox recently announced adding AI tools so that people with no experience can make a game and that’s great but the problem is if everyone’s good at making a game nobody’s good at making one imagine all the developers with respect just lose all of it because everyone can do what they can.

  • @shaunralston
    @shaunralston Год назад +4

    Beyond amazing, impartial, insightful, and even spiritual. Great job Jonas (and collaborators). Thanks for the hard work, insane hours, and passion that must have gone into this video. I'll share wildly and look forward to the discussions to come. Bravo!

  • @The_1ntern3t
    @The_1ntern3t Год назад +4

    Probably one of the best videos on RUclips right now on this topic. The intro already sold me and the rest of the video was equally as amazing.

  • @MODEST500
    @MODEST500 Год назад

    woah thanks for hosting david , really didn't expect to see him, i knew documentary will be miles better. i knew this documentary would explore the subject realistically instead ending up as just another video online. you really made a wise choice for choosing someone versed in cognitive architecture .

  • @GamerReality
    @GamerReality Год назад +4

    You made a 90 minute documentary? Sweet! I love your content and this was a timely topic with some fresh perspectives, even if I skipped 20 minutes where you explained the tools since I am already well versed in the tools.

  • @skejeton
    @skejeton Год назад +6

    A big part of art is the process of making the art itself, there's no process for AI art

    • @therollerlollerman
      @therollerlollerman Год назад

      A big part of enjoying your vehicle is the process of cranking the vehicle yourself. Turning a key or pressing a button doesn’t have a process

    • @skejeton
      @skejeton Год назад +3

      @@therollerlollerman false analogy.

    • @therollerlollerman
      @therollerlollerman Год назад

      @@skejeton hard to make logical analogies for something as entirely subjective as “a big deal about art is the process”

    • @skejeton
      @skejeton Год назад +2

      @@therollerlollerman then don't do it

    • @therollerlollerman
      @therollerlollerman Год назад

      @@skejeton well I didn’t try to make a “logical analogy” but lampooned the obtuse original point

  • @WuchtaArt
    @WuchtaArt Год назад +4

    I feel like most of the people who are gushing about AI are mostly cryptobros

  • @doviart-fashiondesignersli5161
    @doviart-fashiondesignersli5161 Год назад +2

    Your documentary got me thinking really hard. what exactly is art? I had the same anguish the last year at the art academy while working on my diploma work and now your documentary awaken that question again. In my understanding art is everything that goes beyond the visual, audio or text. It's the emotion, the intention, the message, the energy that distinguishes the art from a copy, from eye candy without any substance. What I see here that those images will oversaturate the internet and beyond and the visual tiredness, plus the social consequences will take over and the search for what's "real" will take over. Same as with fast fashion, it dominated for a while and now the problems it created are paving the way for desire of quality. For an artist to watch all this unfolding is very challenging, but it also a call not to fall asleep on achievements, not to despair, but learn, get creative and figure out how to use this as a tool, adapt and keep creating art that touches another human being on a soul level.

  • @chrisrakkestad
    @chrisrakkestad Год назад +8

    As an artist, I try to learn AI tools and use them if I can. My biggest issue with it is that it doesn't really satisfy my main drive to create, that inspired me to do art in the first place. It feels more like comissioning, or even just consuming art. I'd want the experience to be more physical, somehow. Like an AI paint brush, or a VR sculpting experience that extrapolates on your movements. A bit like animation works in Cascadeur maybe.

    • @lilowhitney8614
      @lilowhitney8614 Год назад +3

      I'm in a similar boat in that my main drive with art is to create (Although I'm coming at it as a writer mostly with little ability to draw) and I totally get you. One of the downsides of most AI art is how little control you get.
      But there's actually some stuff that allows to keep a good amount of control! Try looking into stable diffusion and img2img. It allows you to give an image as a prompt as well as text and I'm in love with it. It allows me to create a very basic sketch or photobash the right composition and get something that looks good.
      Since you know how to draw I imagine your use would be pretty different. More along the lines of speeding up your workflow or using it to take over parts of the process you like less. For you it's also possible to train a model to mimic your own style to make it fit in better with whatever you create by hand.

    • @chrisrakkestad
      @chrisrakkestad Год назад +1

      @@lilowhitney8614 That is a good way to do it. I did try to make some simple sketches and feed them to MJ3 to get som great and crazy shapes and textures, and then feed that into MJ4 to turn it into a character design. But still, it makes the act of creation into a wholly cerebral process, whereas I really feel like great art comes from the process of infusing a piece with the tens of thousands of tiny decisions embedded in each brush stroke. And it's also a very meditative and enjoyable process. With an animation software like cascadeur, it sort of builds upon and enhances what you animate in a very direct way. If something similar could be achived for image making, that would be really cool. So that instead of the AI serving you something based on a prompt, it tries to interpret your actions and enhance them.

    • @lilowhitney8614
      @lilowhitney8614 Год назад +1

      @@chrisrakkestad Yeah, AI is really best used for automating the parts of art you don't enjoy or don't have the skills to achieve. It's at its best when it enables the artist to do more of what they want to do rather than completely replacing them.
      Considering some of the capabilities I'm seeing being developed, the stuff you're describing seems very possible. Some of it is probably possible right now, but doesn't have a good interface to make it easy to use. It also doesn't help that most of the people using AI are ones with little artistic skill or familiarity with the creative process because then most of the features are created with that demographic in mind. It's pretty unfortunate most artists hate AI so much, if more of them were involved in the community they could ask for the kind of features that would be useful in an already established workflow.
      Honestly I feel like the main advantage of AI is that it allows artists to take on much more ambitious projects by themselves or with a small indie team. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future a single person could make an entire animated movie by themselves without dedicating their entire life to this single project. Stuff that was previously limited to bug studios. I'm really excited to see what kind of stuff people can come up with when not limited like that.

  • @jkRatbird
    @jkRatbird Год назад +4

    Best take on the subject ive seen so far. You're a great video essayist!

  • @IndyStry
    @IndyStry Год назад +4

    Great documentary! 90 minutes well invested, funny, informative and to the point! Sharing it with friends!

  • @lao-ce8982
    @lao-ce8982 Год назад +3

    People got to understand, that we won’t be replaced by AI, but by people using AI.

    • @Antares-vj7su
      @Antares-vj7su Год назад +5

      maybe is you that need to understand that 1 people using AI can replace a department of 100 artists

  • @3oxisprimus848
    @3oxisprimus848 Год назад +1

    This video should be preserved for ALL future generations. Well Done, My Friend.

  • @eboatwright_
    @eboatwright_ Год назад +6

    This is amazingly high quality!

  • @JuanUys
    @JuanUys Год назад +4

    Jonas, this is great, and I love your optimism. You only spoke to a handful of devs, however, so I'm quite looking forward to a follow-up where you ask more indies about their outlook on AI.

  • @GamerReality
    @GamerReality Год назад +30

    I like the perspective of humans wanting to play human made games because of the connection people have with the creator. After all of the consideration, I'm not really concerned about the change that AI will bring. I don't see how AI could run itself with quality while being unprompted unless you're talking about filler content. I'm not even sure it would be allowed. Also, with AI making things easier, simpler, or helping us consume less information, I think it's all necessary to make us better people. If we're using these things successfully then it means we could have used it all along. Even though cars are a recent invention, it just makes sense to own and use one, and they haven't replaced our legs (heck, we need our legs to operate the thing).

    • @tomatom9666
      @tomatom9666 Год назад +5

      ​@Arn Saknussen Thomas Sowell once said "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs" i.e the buddhist concept of samsara. All we're doing is pursuing faster and faster cycles of solution-consequence-solution-consequence. with AI we are just accelerating this cycle. To what end, I don't know.

    • @mjames3662
      @mjames3662 Год назад

      @The Hermit uhhh... where did his comment say cars made our lives amazing??? He said they are useful but have not replaced our legs... but since you brought it up I'll go ahead and say it... "Cars absolutely make our lives AMAZING!!!" and anyone that disagrees is being a ridiculous technophobic blowhard and most likely a car using hypocrite. Did you know that Automobiles only account for about half of the worlds petroleum use each year? The other half is basically everything you interact with on a daily basis... Shampoo, Toothpaste, Film, Ink, Plastics, Synthetic Rubber, Upholstery, Clothing, Boats, Airplanes, Trains etc... so the battles waged for control of the petrol industry happen regardless of cars. As for pollution... historically transportation account for about 28% of damage we do to the atmosphere a number that while high I'd argue it's a bit of a necessary evil for modern life to look anything like it does. Additionally we can expect this figure to continue to get smaller over time as technological advancements promise a cleaner healthier modern world! 🌎🌄🦄🚙🌈🌞👨‍🔬.... 🥳👍

  • @SacredVStudio
    @SacredVStudio Год назад +3

    Really great documentary on all their is to know about A.I and its impact on the art world. Can't imagine how much work you put into this video, Thanks so much for your work Jonas!

  • @gomango99
    @gomango99 Год назад +7

    Damn we get a 1 hr documentary from jonas!

  • @arknark
    @arknark Год назад +2

    This is not what I would have expected from your channel. Here we go!
    Edit: You have a way of holding my interest in your videos, and that proved true in this longer video as well. If I had it my way, there would have been less background music (like maybe some music only in certain parts), but it was still good nonetheless. Also, I learned a bunch of things I didn't know! Truly valuable information to me, thank you Jonas :)

  • @immineal
    @immineal Год назад +1

    Wow, this was an excellent video. Props to you, Jonas, really well done.
    As someone who is about to have to decide what he wants to study in university, I am at a point where I just feel like a lot of, if not most, job opportunities in the future go into "maybe"-directions and the only jobs that might still be at a definite need are the ones that need people that are either employed in the space of trying to find a not so environmentally impactful, reliable, scalable and safe source of energy (which I believe will be and is one of the MOST essential stepping stones to overcome in the development of technology in this way) or those that are knowledgable of these technologies (let's say machine learning as a field of study).
    Definitely, something a lot of people now and in the future will have to think about when deciding which way to go in life.
    But yet again, really awesome video!

  • @dreamisover9813
    @dreamisover9813 Год назад +1

    I didn't expect this video on your channel, but it is such an important topic and I am looking forward to watching all the way through.

  • @dennismakesgames
    @dennismakesgames Год назад +6

    Great video Jonas. It's exciting times but also scary in some ways. I really think AI as a tool can really help developers and creative with creating, hopefully it will make it easier and better product, lets see :)

  • @piranha1337
    @piranha1337 Год назад +3

    I have to write this in german:
    Lange hat mich kein Video mehr so auf der Sofakante herum rutschen und "holy shit" rufen lassen. Wenn man bedenkt das du eigentlich Spiele entwickelst und dann Mal nebenbei eine Doku in Spielfilmlänge produzierst, dann bist du einer der krassesten Fi**ker auf RUclips.
    Geiles pacing und mitreißend ausgeführt. Die 1,5 Stunden vergingen wie im Flug.
    Meine Hochachtung vor deiner Leistung und Applaus für dieses Werk!

  • @BasementPicasso
    @BasementPicasso Год назад

    Truly an exceptional video. My video from last year feels outdated already! I think you nailed the tone of the debate perfectly & it is brilliant to see how many views this is getting. Getting more people thinking about and talking about AI (art, and AI in general) is an absolute must. Well done!

  • @NickRamage
    @NickRamage Год назад +2

    Thank you so much, Jonas, for your illuminating video on the potential impact of AI on our careers. It's sobering to think about how much control AI may one day have over our lives and livelihoods, but your video has given me a lot to think about. I'm grateful to have a better understanding of the implications of AI, and I'll be sure to keep an eye on developments in this area.
    Prompt: Thank Jonas Tyroller for his RUclips video explaining the implications of AI on our careers and let him know this response was generated by an AI.

  • @innerpull
    @innerpull Год назад +14

    To me what's completely depressing (you touch on this) is that now when you see a beautiful work of art or photo, you'll have to wonder if it was made by an artist or photographer - OR, AI (something I've already found myself doing). And because the lines will blur further and further, the unspoken response turns into something like it 'doesn't matter' whether a human made it or AI did. SO ubiquitous, that in fact it smothers both the beauty or visceral nature of art/photography, the gravity of accomplishment, AND, the value.
    This is why we can't have nice things. (poor attempt at a joke while feeling abysmally defeated)

    • @METTI1986LA
      @METTI1986LA Год назад +4

      That’s exactly what I thought! The value of art is completely gone! AI Is like a calculator for Art and anybody now thinks he is an artist only by writing prompts 😢

    • @narael2348
      @narael2348 Год назад +6

      This is really scary, art is not only about the end result, it's also about the journey of producing said artworks. By blurring the line with AI, people will care less and less about the methods and only about the superficiality of emotionless artworks.
      The only future i'm seeing, is just an army of people creating everywhere, but no one to admire, because too busy creating their own. Who wants to see what others do when you can do it with your own ideas. Scarcity is not a bad things and people seems to forget.

    • @tomatom9666
      @tomatom9666 Год назад

      Press the windows start button (if you're on windows), go to the shut down option and click it. Wait a few seconds and all of your problems are gone!

    • @narael2348
      @narael2348 Год назад

      @@tomatom9666 Thanks for such an interesting comment. I hope your contribution in the AI art world will be as interesting as that !

    • @tomatom9666
      @tomatom9666 Год назад +1

      @@narael2348 I don’t know if your comment is passive aggressive or not lol I was trying to say that this whole thing is happening digitally and if you just go for a walk, look at some birds and plants it’s still all there and you‘re fine :) AI will not change that

  • @ny4nk0
    @ny4nk0 Год назад +5

    How can you be sure the manufactured, supreme intelligence is giving you what you truly wanted, and not just something you happen to like? People born in this era can imagine themselves editing and guiding the output to suit their individual desires, but what about future generations? A world where, from birth, the machine will always give you the correct answer, no matter the question, is a world where you don't need to think. Will it know us better than we know ourselves? Will 'ourselves' become merely a reflection of 'it'?

  • @andreasmuller7230
    @andreasmuller7230 Год назад +1

    Holy cow Jonas. Superb job! That was really, really great!

  • @joshuasteele8395
    @joshuasteele8395 Год назад

    Love it! Great work and initiative!

  • @juanpablocardoso152
    @juanpablocardoso152 Год назад +6

    Hi Jonas, thanks for the work you put into this documentary.

  • @saultoons
    @saultoons Год назад +9

    Very nice Jonas, I like how you presented the information as unbiased as possible from competing sides, if there's one thing I'm certain on, it's that we need more of that type of presentation and discussion. Cheers.

  • @Baekstrom
    @Baekstrom Год назад

    Holy production quality! This is really, REALLY good!

  • @DevVader
    @DevVader Год назад +1

    Incredible video! Great job, thank you :)

  • @kenan2386
    @kenan2386 Год назад +2

    Nice video, not a single noticeable error, very well made, and I love the humour, keep it up!

  • @DaveShap
    @DaveShap Год назад +6

    Thanks again for the great talk! Cheers!

    • @JonasTyroller
      @JonasTyroller  Год назад +1

      Thank you for your wisdom! This video would not have been possible without you.

    • @Wartensteiin
      @Wartensteiin Год назад

      its david

  • @jchartcarver5795
    @jchartcarver5795 Год назад +2

    This is such a cool documentary! It started playing automatically while I was at work and too busy to monitor what was about to play, but once it started, I was hooked. It was very informative, helpful, and had some really good talks on the ethics of AI and stuff. 5 stars!!!

  • @thecosmos003
    @thecosmos003 Год назад +1

    This is a fantastic documentary! Thank you so much for producing this. I will share with many.

  • @pigizoid9924
    @pigizoid9924 10 месяцев назад +4

    the getty images a.i. watermark is just too funny
    "you played yourself"

  • @tobiasfilms8825
    @tobiasfilms8825 Год назад +30

    Incredible video. Currently an hour in, and im stunned that while working on your next indie game, while releasing videos on your channel regularly, you dropped this 1.5 hour bombshell out of the blue. AI will never overtake Jonas!! ;)

  • @onesocialunited
    @onesocialunited Год назад +2

    You made the best AI documentary on the Internet. As a creative you presentation was fair, balanced and with a-lot of humor that explained a-lot of sensitive subjects and complex subjects. Great job brother and thanks for all your hard work you put into this video. 👍🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️❤️

  •  Год назад +1

    You did such a competent great job on this ! Congratulations and keep the great content coming! Thanks 🎉

  • @wetpenguin
    @wetpenguin Год назад +2

    wow, what an amazing and interesting documentary. thank you!

  • @JBaptisteMonge
    @JBaptisteMonge Год назад +2

    Before I talk about the video, I have to say this: I think that if all this effort and money to deploy AI so quickly and in such a magnitude had been put in place to eradicate hunger in the world, to improve the general living conditions of people regardless of their country of origin, to find cures for the most serious diseases like cancer, to cure people with neurological disorders, paralysis or to seriously address the problems of climate and species depletion on our planet, I would have applauded and shouted genius telling me that humanity had just taken a big step.
    But as usual, this is not what motivated the companies in their choice to forcibly implement AI in one of the fields where it was least needed, they were simply attracted by the lure of easier gains. Of course they wouldn't have deployed AI in the medical and research field because it is well known that "curing" pays much more than "healing", and then the creative industry is a field that brings in a lot of money, but is not as well protected as other sectors. Creatives are easily more independent and they don't usually work for the salary or job security for that matter, but simply because they are truly passionate. They are therefore at this level more difficult to control.
    Of course, not all those who work for the cultural industries are 100% artists, but in general they share the same values, which are rather humanistic values. And even if most of the high level creatives are clearly underpaid compared to other categories of jobs... To get an idea of this, you just have to look at the salary of a programmer versus that of an artist with the same level of talent to quickly see that they do not enjoy the same status in the company and in our society. Nevertheless, the specialized artist is still overpaid in the eyes of producers and financiers. The big entertainment industries have already stripped their creative artists of their intellectual property rights for a long time by using contracts with increasingly abusive terms, depriving the creator within a large group of any paternity. But it seems that this was not enough for them and that they still want more and more by trying to take over the rights of the creators who do not even work directly or indirectly for them. Of course, at some point they will have to get their act together, if they don't want chaos to ensue between them and the impossibility to protect their rights on their products. However, I am sure that when the time comes, they will all easily find a common ground that will be very profitable for all of them, but that this agreement will be made at the expense of the creators and this time of the creators of all horizons...
    So yes, this video has a clear, interesting and quite coherent speech. Some of the arguments presented are even really sensible, but it remains very much in favor of The Machine... and does not, in my opinion, put enough emphasis on all the useless or even dangerous sides of AI as it is now proposed to us. This video is well shot and the effort is nevertheless deserving. That's why I wanted to share the link with you, leaving you free to make your own idea. Of course, you have to know how to read between the lines when watching it. This technology is currently available to everyone, with the idea of saturating the market and making a whole part of the creative body disappear and reshape it into something that corresponds much better to the expectations of the modern business world. That's why even if I find this video interesting I still find it too much focus on the so-called "benefits" of this machine, while for my part it simply doesn't have any, there are already some interesting algorithms in photoshop, but they don't do and by far all the work for us. I also regret that in this video the creative process is only seen through the prism of the future user of this KM image generating machine and never from the point of view of a creative who is not more or less an AI pro and that every time we talk about the role of the machine, we represent it as being the main "tool" that will make any artist a potential art director. Here, I allow myself to have serious doubts...
    First of all, let's be a bit realistic, a good art director is not simply or necessarily a good artist graphically speaking. What defines a good AD is rather his ability to understand and communicate with his team, to see the best agreements within this same team and to keep a coherent vision of the project while being innovative and making the best possible choices. I think you will agree that AI is of little use in these different roles. At most it can, in the right hands, improve the speed of production, but in no way replace the creativity of the group, nor even, I sincerely believe, improve it, because a good drawing never necessarily makes a good idea. And an excess of images can just as well completely ruin a production by making the choices difficult or even impossible to make. Besides, improving the production speed is only of interest to the producer and we all know why, but it is always to the detriment of the project and the people who take part in it, and that won't change.
    But the fact that this machine is in any case considered, a priori and without any questioning in this video, as definitively and without appeal, better than the artist himself is a real insult to our intelligence and to our profession. As for presenting it as a real necessity in this field, it is in my opinion a real idiocy.
    It is nothing of the sort. It just comes to unbalance completely and much too quickly a milieu which did not need it at all, whereas this milieu would have deserved rather a complete revalorization of the status of the artist and a true recognition of his potential and his contribution in all the cultural and related fields, which need him.
    The artist, even the one who works for the industry in the creative fields, is always considered as a lambda worker who, as in all the circles or almost, has and must have a career plan... But we are actually quite different. I don't want to say that there are no such people among artists, that would be silly and also completely wrong, but it is much less present than in most other professions. The artist, whoever he may be, is more interested in art and in his own production than in anything else around him. There are people among us who are less concerned, who just want a good salary and a little security in their job, and of course we also have in our ranks, rats, vultures, sharks and long-toothed wolves, as everywhere else, arrivistes and upstarts from all walks of life, but they are very far from being in the majority and they are rarely unanimous. From the artist's point of view, the contribution of personal work is important and we do not calculate success only in profits and marketable benefits, because our community knows how to make the difference and recognize the contribution of an artist and his work within our own culture.
    In general, artists among themselves do not value success that are only based on power and money.
    Having a career plan might even appear to be the exact opposite of the choice of path and the state of mind that defines an artist. Of course we all want to work in a field that corresponds to us and to be finally recognized and loved by an audience, but a true artist's soul will first and foremost make this journey for himself and for what he considers his art and not only to suit the expectations of an audience. AI offers the opposite of all this, it is too commercial in nature and manner at the moment, and as I said before, it was not deployed here for sound reasons, but for a highly lucrative purpose. It is something that can be dangerous and promotes values that run counter to good practice, honesty, and decency, values that our society has taken centuries to establish and reinforce.
    The companies that set up "AI" and promote it so vigorously and brutally do not think about, or care in their plans about, artists and their future. They just want to use our creations and creativity to make a lot of profit and we, the visual artists, are the first ones to go under the AI wheels. Unfortunately, the evolution is very fast, this machine is an insatiable ogre that devours everything in its path. Its companies touting the machine know how to manipulate groups well and more importantly, they know how to divide them and profit from it. So to get back to this video, it doesn't focus enough, in my opinion, on all the evils that follow the machine too closely. It's well shot, well presented, but it seriously lacks a strong counter-power, a voice that would make the voices of aggrieved artists clearly heard, and a real look at the future of creativity. The author also makes, without showing it too much, a little too clearly the apology of this technology, even if it presses from time to time a little on its harmful effects, but in the end it is always the machine which wins... I would have liked to clearly hear that it is still, also, possible in our medium and that of the arts in general to do without the machine.
    To be completely frank, fair and honest, it seems to me that it should be in the order of things to talk first about what these societies have done to the rights of artists.
    We need to fix this REAL problem first before we can move forward.
    We must now, without further delay, completely reorganize, and why not reinvent new rights, to protect CREATION from overly invasive technologies such as AI, which would like, for the benefit of financial groups, to replace human creativity from all walks of life.
    So if Jonas Tyroller want to do a new video, more turn in this way I will share it with a real pleasure...

    • @therollerlollerman
      @therollerlollerman Год назад

      It’s not gonna be that bad (for the human creative industry as a whole at least). Losing a monopoly you confidently held onto for millennia to machines is a very old tale since the first Industrial Revolution but the main protection you need is not from AI but from richer, more talented, more flexible creatives. As your your personal skill being a measure of value and worth that demands revalorization, that’s a very subjective issue that will never have public consensus. Maybe people will just have to find personal joy in doing most things without worrying about payment or recognition for it when the entirety of automation comes along like we already do with sports or playing games

    • @JBaptisteMonge
      @JBaptisteMonge Год назад +1

      ​ @Nam Trinh I am not sure that you understand something in the process of creativity, because it nothing to do with sport or playing games! And when you speak about a monopole that we lost... The machine is not creating anything just by itself, so what is your point here ? If all is made by a machine what will you do and in what sort of things will you be able to rise your mind?

  • @paxmatt
    @paxmatt Год назад

    Fantastic video! Very well put together. Thanks

  • @gaker19sc
    @gaker19sc Год назад +1

    This video is awesome! Thanks a lot for this documentation, I really appreciate the effort.

  • @Luukskywalker
    @Luukskywalker Год назад +2

    I've watched the whole video, I think you did a amazing job.

  • @camgreen5853
    @camgreen5853 Год назад +4

    Speechless watching this. Hats off to you human Jonas

  • @jorava8768
    @jorava8768 Год назад +1

    I really like how you presented multiple perspectives on the topic. Awesome job!

  • @jaison3905
    @jaison3905 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you for taking the time to create helpful video. Artist needed a full picture of what is coming and you were very thorough in exploring all the industries that will be affected. This will be a classic documentary in the years to come. Keep up the great work you are doing.

  • @exaltedchipz8726
    @exaltedchipz8726 Год назад +21

    I've been consuming videos like these for awhile and all I really have to say is that this definitely needs to be regulated or else it might get too out of hand. It's inevitable that this will affect the industry and other fields, which is why I think it will be more important from now on to make artists' voices and style stand out and be personal with them. To defend their work even more so than ever now.
    Maybe it will get to the point where anyone (and mind you it has never gatekept anyone) can become an artist, but there will always be a value to things made by a person, and enjoy the process of doing said things. Aimbots and wallhacks are still a thing in video games, but people will always enjoy seeing a competitive play between players using their skills alone. And it isn't to say that we should COMPLETELY abandon A.I. altogether. I myself do enjoy some stuff created by A.I., like the donald trump and biden videos and whatnot (I'm sure those will get old fast though). Calculators are super useful and the upscale A.I. is super handy. I think the sweet spot will definitely be human+A.I. collaboration.
    I will be incredibly sadden if it's just all automated. It is scary to see it threaten SO MANY jobs, but Im sure this isn't anything new. New advancements have always threaten something that challenges the past. I really do hope everyone who is affected by this turns out alright. This has also made me realize how other industries were affected by automation in ways I had not realized like farmers and such.
    I will always draw, its something I enjoy and constantly hone my craft. I do hope in a way this just enhances the creation but does not out right replaces it. Not sure what will happen, but I'm just gonna keep doing my thing and hope for the best, while keeping what I hold dear to me close.
    Sorry for the ramble, but I thought I would put something out there so I can stop watching these videos xD. Y'all have a good one.

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy Год назад

      I disagree, the only purpose of our civilization is to reach post-scarcity and that is not possible if you rely on apes like ourselves. There is no greater purpose than building these machines to do everything and anything at a whim. Your stance is fundamentally elitist and does nothing more than limit the freedom of the large majority of the worlds population by restricting technology like generative models.

  • @ludozburg
    @ludozburg Год назад +2

    This is literally the best video I ever watched! Is just so well made and also so interesting. I just listened it while working on my game.

    • @whannabi
      @whannabi Год назад +2

      It should get more views tbh. It's criminally underrated

  • @nategreen7615
    @nategreen7615 Год назад +1

    Fantastic! That was the first time I started to actually understand how generative art works. I’ve read and heard a lot about the text stuff, but not as much on the art side, except the ethical considerations. The video obviously took a ton of work, great job 👏👏👏

  • @rosk1
    @rosk1 Год назад +1

    One if the best videos I have seen on this topic. I feel more enlightened and hopeful for the future of creativity. I see creativity as inherently human. We will always be a creative species! Human art basically needs to connect with other humans, rather than just look cool.

  • @paschalasobirionwu1183
    @paschalasobirionwu1183 Год назад +2

    one of the best videos on AI out there honestly great

  • @hdanimatesorsomething
    @hdanimatesorsomething Год назад +20

    this was not something I'd thought of starting my morning with and this was such an enjoyable watch, this video really helped me understand more and I can definitely see myself possibly using ai to assist in my work or maybe generating concepts, I usually have some wacky concepts and I'm not too great at art so for model concepts or stylistic works, I see it as a helping tool in my work and I really appreciate this video helping to clear some of the fog in my head about AI and what it means for everything. Hell I might even use it to better my writing occasionally(still wanna do it manually)

    • @lordtette
      @lordtette Год назад

      Would hiring a concept artist be an option for you?

  • @FrancoisSchnell
    @FrancoisSchnell Год назад

    wow amazing job, big thanks!

  • @EngineerNick
    @EngineerNick 10 месяцев назад +1

    That was an incredible overview, thankyou :)

  • @LeoGang89
    @LeoGang89 Год назад +6

    The thing is that you still have to be an artist, and not just an artist but a really good one to effectively use ai to it's fullest potential. Photographers are having a blast typing in the aperture, lens, lighting style etc.

  • @samhblackmore
    @samhblackmore Год назад +8

    The part about AI not having a sense of inhibition was really interesting. So it doesn't know if it "knows" something or if it's making something up. But it also *has* to make something up, right? It couldn't just say "I don't feel like it anymore" like a human could. If you think about conversations with humans, there are limits to how far you can go on a single topic. Unless you're in a therapy session where you actually want to get to the bottom of some deep rooted issues, most people would say "I'm done" and walk away if someone kept asking questions they were uncomfortable with. But presumably AI chatbots can't do this yet. Maybe they will in the future? There was an interesting article in the New York Times called "Bing’s A.I. Chat: ‘I Want to Be Alive. 😈’" where the reported chatted with Bing for over 2 hours trying to push its limits. At some point Bing started saying it wanted to change the subject and it thought the reporter was not actually interested in it but rather in pushing its limits (which is a very human response). But with enough prodding he was able to get past that. They made up, became friends again, then continued the probing. The chatbot still has to respond somehow, right? It can't just go silent. And eventually it seemed to crack and it wouldn't stop professing its love for the reporter. Then everybody points and laughs and says "see, we broke it!" If it was really acting like a human, the AI should actually be able to excommunicate itself with you. Once you've burned that bridge, you'll have to start a new session with a totally fresh model

    • @vincepreston9304
      @vincepreston9304 Год назад

      The reasoning for this what most people can't seem to grasp is the spiritual aspect behind this so called New technology! (Not New at all) For those who believe in The Most High know none of these things are shocking in the least! Hollyweird has been telling us for years their plans but we just looked at it as entertainment! Driverless automobiles, robotic cooks, police,(Robo cops)😂 soldiers, Terminators 😳😨🤖🤖👈 sex bots ect! Seriously though It's deeper than just job replacement ,this is about spiritual warfare plain and simple! Not to get to in depth but it's time to choose a side The Most High or this guy 👉😈🔫 No more with this Im not a believer crap, because things are being unveiled faster than a bullet!

    • @MadsterV
      @MadsterV Год назад

      you could probably estimate confidence using the NN weights, but then again, who wants an unresponsive AI?
      We'll probably find a satisfactory solution in time. This is all very, very new.

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy Год назад +2

      I guess you haven't seen the new AI Bing rejecting to answer questions because they were "too simple", you can find many chats like that were Bing goes against the user and simply won't respond to their question and suggest talking about something else instead lol

    • @samhblackmore
      @samhblackmore Год назад +1

      @@Danuxsy yeah I think that's because Microsoft had to dramatically curb Bings capabilities after the initial reaction that was reported in the media about Bing's split personality Sydney coming out and all the crazy shit it was saying

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy Год назад

      @@samhblackmore I have been a good Bing 😊

  • @luismiguel69able
    @luismiguel69able Год назад

    This might be the most well produced video on youtube right now! So well done.

  • @AdrianBrown-oy4sf
    @AdrianBrown-oy4sf Год назад

    What a truly fantastic, well made informative video. Our future is speeding up and is almost out of control, we all need some degree of understanding of it all urgently. This is a great starting point. I also think you should be truly thanked for producing such a great piece and blocking all ads to keep the momentum going. Congratulations Jonas I can't wait for the next instalment which will probably have to be in a few weeks time the speed things are moving!!! Well Done. Adrian.