Hey Thankyou for all your content, I’ve just today purchased kangoo ev and love it brought a smile to my face not sure I’d purchased it without your knowledge I’ve gained. Thanks
Very interesting!! They used to be converted to campers, but aren’t anymore!! It’s a good little van, which is also produced as an estate car for the Renault Zoe!!
I used to drive a 2013 model in a previous job, must have had the 22k/WH battery as it only had about 50 miles of range on a good day but was great fun to drive, all seems very basic now compared to new EV's.
Thanks for the well thought out, concise and informative videos which are helping me get used to the car before I start driving it! I have 2 commute options, one over a big hill, one via a motorway. Which would you go for? I'll try both and report in a week or two.
Despite living in the foothills of the Alps, I'm able to one-pedal drive for my commute, I used the brake exactly twice this morning, when starting the car and when parking it. Thanks to your videos I've managed to increase the range compared to the previous owner by around 15 percent. @@GoGreenAutos
A very comprehensive video. Is 130 mile range really achieveable in the real world? How much does the battery degregate over time? Is there any guarantee of battery performance by renault? Interesting to learn hmthat the plug isnt powered until plugged into the vehicle, i didn't know this
Yes, these do around 140 miles in the summer and about 108 miles in the worst times in a UK winter. But if you drive efficiently, you can get up to 155 miles in the summer. All batteries degrade over time, but on these its typically about 1% a year and isn't noticeable. The original warranty on the battery is 5 years/100,000 miles, which guarantees it to 70% SoH.
Hi, thanks for such a comprehensive video. I've just bought a 2012 kangoo 22kwh, can you recommend a budget domestic charger that will support delayed charging to take advantage of my cheap electricity. I realise there is no scheduler in the van and once it goes to sleep it won't wake up to charge, so i guess something that runs the low volt pilot briefly every 30 mins to keep the van awake?
Glad the video helped. If you're in the UK, all new chargers will do scheduling. But if you want to use Octopus Intelligent Go, where the schedule changes to match the grid's demands, then check on their website for compatible chargers. Personally, I've only used Rolec originally (cheap but terrible) and then Wallbox Pulsar Plus and Wallbox Pulsar Max, which have proved to be very good and reliable. We have four Wallbox units and they've been great. I've got videos on the channel on these.
See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/using-portable-chargers If you want to use a cheap rate night time tariff and do all your charging at ~7p vs ~24p, then using a 7kW wall charger means you can make more use of it. i.e. get more electricity within the cheap band. However, if only doing 4k a year, you'll probably be fine with a portable charger. Do make sure the socket you use is sound (ideally an EV rated socket) and the screws are tight at the rear clamping the cables.
My dad has one of these. When he sets an overnight charge schedule via the charger it doesn't work. It works fine when set to plug and charge in the charger. Do you know what could cause this? I'm not sure if the van itself has scheduled charging.
No, the Kangoo ZE doesn't have scheduled charging - only pre-conditioning (i.e. scheduled heating/cooling). Scheduling a charge via the charger does work on the ZE33. But if he has the older ZE22, it probably doesn't work. This is because the van will shutdown when locked and will not wake up when the charger starts delivering power. Delayed charging just wasn't a thing when these vehicles were made, so they struggled to wake up without unlocking the doors first. This effects the older Zoe, Peugeot Ion and anything else of this era. Unlocking and locking the van within half an hour of the scheduled charge starting might be one way to solve it. Or if his charger supports it, doing a short (1 minute or 1 second) charge every hour will stop the van going into its full shutdown. I can't remember if this was every hour or every 30 mins. This was an issue when the first smart chargers came onto the market and many of the EVs at the time didn't work with delayed charging. The charger companies eventually got around it by sending a quick pulse to the vehicle every 30 mins or so, which then stopped it going into sleep mode.
@@GoGreenAutos Thank you very much for your reply. He has the newer ZE33 so I'm not sure what is going on. He did mention that unlocking the closer to the scheduled time did result in a charge. I was searching to see if it had scheduled charging so that explains why I didn't find anything. It was just strange how it works on the car but not on his van. Your explanation makes perfect sense, thank you!
Technically, I expect so. However, it rarely makes financial sense to do it. You're better off selling the 22kWh van and buying a 33kWh model and have all the other benefits as well, such as faster AC charging, more reliable motor, younger vehicle etc.
Quite simply the worst EV in History. No regen, basic outdated and pathetic range, horrible in winter and battery depletes at an alarming rate. AVOID. Needs at least 10 hours to charge.
Some actual facts on the Kangoo ZE33: The Kangoo has strong regen. Range is ~125-150 miles in summer, 95-120 in winter. Battery degradation is ~1% per year. A full charge is 5-6 hours when using a 7kWh charger.
@GoGreenAutos we have 3. 140 miles when new, now 100 in summer, winter 75 at best. Not one single mile added to the range via regen. Their charging rate is archaic and ours need charging twice to get through a shift. The space inside miniscule. Dated tech, poor quality rubbish.
@@TheRealSimpsons1 Range is dictated by driving efficiency. So I would guess you need to ask your drivers to be more gentle on the accelerator or allow the regen to slow them down rather than stamping on the brakes. Have a look at the dash display and look at the average efficiency. This tells you a lot. Its easy to blame the vehicle when its actually the driver. These vans are pretty efficient and its easy to drive this over well 4.5 mpkWh in the summer. Weight in the back doesn't make a huge difference either as I've demonstrated in this video ruclips.net/video/Ev4o-DIo8QU/видео.htmlsi=2TBQlB0JFfPM1d4f. You wont see miles added by regen as the range meter is an estimate and average based on how much many kWh left in the battery. Of course, the battery capacity (i.e. health) has an impact on range. But the batteries on the ZE33 are proving to be excellent. If you want to test this, we offer a rental service of a scanner to read the onboard BMS. See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/renault-scanner-hire As for space in the back...its a small van. If you needed more, you bought the wrong van!
Thank you. It's great to see these early "pioneer" EVs and to see them working well.
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Thankyou for all your content, I’ve just today purchased kangoo ev and love it brought a smile to my face not sure I’d purchased it without your knowledge I’ve gained.
Thanks
Glad the videos helped. I do them exactly for this reason, to help others get into EVs.
I just hit 40,000 miles in my Kangoo today... but still people tell me EVs will never catch on😂
They also think they're new. When you say they came out in 2011, so 12 years now, they look confused!
Very interesting!! They used to be converted to campers, but aren’t anymore!! It’s a good little van, which is also produced as an estate car for the Renault Zoe!!
I used to drive a 2013 model in a previous job, must have had the 22k/WH battery as it only had about 50 miles of range on a good day but was great fun to drive, all seems very basic now compared to new EV's.
Does it still charge if I unlock the locking pin?
Thanks for the well thought out, concise and informative videos which are helping me get used to the car before I start driving it!
I have 2 commute options, one over a big hill, one via a motorway. Which would you go for? I'll try both and report in a week or two.
You'll have to try both and compare the overall efficiency. They'll probably both about the same.
Despite living in the foothills of the Alps, I'm able to one-pedal drive for my commute, I used the brake exactly twice this morning, when starting the car and when parking it. Thanks to your videos I've managed to increase the range compared to the previous owner by around 15 percent. @@GoGreenAutos
Hi there, I was wondering please where there VIN is located on these e kangoos thanks?
It's on the windscreen and also on the sticker on the drivers door pillar.
Thanks very much
A very comprehensive video.
Is 130 mile range really achieveable in the real world?
How much does the battery degregate over time? Is there any guarantee of battery performance by renault?
Interesting to learn hmthat the plug isnt powered until plugged into the vehicle, i didn't know this
Yes, these do around 140 miles in the summer and about 108 miles in the worst times in a UK winter. But if you drive efficiently, you can get up to 155 miles in the summer.
All batteries degrade over time, but on these its typically about 1% a year and isn't noticeable. The original warranty on the battery is 5 years/100,000 miles, which guarantees it to 70% SoH.
Hi, thanks for such a comprehensive video. I've just bought a 2012 kangoo 22kwh, can you recommend a budget domestic charger that will support delayed charging to take advantage of my cheap electricity. I realise there is no scheduler in the van and once it goes to sleep it won't wake up to charge, so i guess something that runs the low volt pilot briefly every 30 mins to keep the van awake?
Glad the video helped. If you're in the UK, all new chargers will do scheduling. But if you want to use Octopus Intelligent Go, where the schedule changes to match the grid's demands, then check on their website for compatible chargers.
Personally, I've only used Rolec originally (cheap but terrible) and then Wallbox Pulsar Plus and Wallbox Pulsar Max, which have proved to be very good and reliable. We have four Wallbox units and they've been great. I've got videos on the channel on these.
Question is there a software update for the 22kw Kangoo bms like the zoey ?
About two years ago a Renault dealer told me there isn't.
Is it worth using 3 pin charger or buying full 7kwh charger? I do around 4k miles a year
See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/using-portable-chargers
If you want to use a cheap rate night time tariff and do all your charging at ~7p vs ~24p, then using a 7kW wall charger means you can make more use of it. i.e. get more electricity within the cheap band. However, if only doing 4k a year, you'll probably be fine with a portable charger. Do make sure the socket you use is sound (ideally an EV rated socket) and the screws are tight at the rear clamping the cables.
My dad has one of these. When he sets an overnight charge schedule via the charger it doesn't work. It works fine when set to plug and charge in the charger. Do you know what could cause this? I'm not sure if the van itself has scheduled charging.
No, the Kangoo ZE doesn't have scheduled charging - only pre-conditioning (i.e. scheduled heating/cooling).
Scheduling a charge via the charger does work on the ZE33. But if he has the older ZE22, it probably doesn't work. This is because the van will shutdown when locked and will not wake up when the charger starts delivering power. Delayed charging just wasn't a thing when these vehicles were made, so they struggled to wake up without unlocking the doors first. This effects the older Zoe, Peugeot Ion and anything else of this era.
Unlocking and locking the van within half an hour of the scheduled charge starting might be one way to solve it. Or if his charger supports it, doing a short (1 minute or 1 second) charge every hour will stop the van going into its full shutdown. I can't remember if this was every hour or every 30 mins. This was an issue when the first smart chargers came onto the market and many of the EVs at the time didn't work with delayed charging. The charger companies eventually got around it by sending a quick pulse to the vehicle every 30 mins or so, which then stopped it going into sleep mode.
@@GoGreenAutos Thank you very much for your reply. He has the newer ZE33 so I'm not sure what is going on. He did mention that unlocking the closer to the scheduled time did result in a charge. I was searching to see if it had scheduled charging so that explains why I didn't find anything. It was just strange how it works on the car but not on his van. Your explanation makes perfect sense, thank you!
Can you upgrade a ZE22 22kwh battery to a 33kwh battery? Thank you
Technically, I expect so. However, it rarely makes financial sense to do it. You're better off selling the 22kWh van and buying a 33kWh model and have all the other benefits as well, such as faster AC charging, more reliable motor, younger vehicle etc.
Currently doing 18k a year in mine, basic vans but more than capable for the job.
Basic, but the most comfortable van
Quite simply the worst EV in History. No regen, basic outdated and pathetic range, horrible in winter and battery depletes at an alarming rate. AVOID. Needs at least 10 hours to charge.
Some actual facts on the Kangoo ZE33: The Kangoo has strong regen. Range is ~125-150 miles in summer, 95-120 in winter. Battery degradation is ~1% per year. A full charge is 5-6 hours when using a 7kWh charger.
@GoGreenAutos we have 3. 140 miles when new, now 100 in summer, winter 75 at best. Not one single mile added to the range via regen. Their charging rate is archaic and ours need charging twice to get through a shift. The space inside miniscule.
Dated tech, poor quality rubbish.
@@TheRealSimpsons1 Range is dictated by driving efficiency. So I would guess you need to ask your drivers to be more gentle on the accelerator or allow the regen to slow them down rather than stamping on the brakes. Have a look at the dash display and look at the average efficiency. This tells you a lot. Its easy to blame the vehicle when its actually the driver. These vans are pretty efficient and its easy to drive this over well 4.5 mpkWh in the summer. Weight in the back doesn't make a huge difference either as I've demonstrated in this video ruclips.net/video/Ev4o-DIo8QU/видео.htmlsi=2TBQlB0JFfPM1d4f.
You wont see miles added by regen as the range meter is an estimate and average based on how much many kWh left in the battery.
Of course, the battery capacity (i.e. health) has an impact on range. But the batteries on the ZE33 are proving to be excellent. If you want to test this, we offer a rental service of a scanner to read the onboard BMS. See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/renault-scanner-hire
As for space in the back...its a small van. If you needed more, you bought the wrong van!
@GoGreenAutos it's garbage and you know it. Blaming the drivers for a shite vehicle that has tech decades old. Still has a fuel filler lol 😆