@@RaylaEclipse actually we need it now CGP grey is piling up videos he doesn't touch or work on and that makes each video he promises less appealing kinda like half life 3
This is actually called "memetics" and every time he says "thought-germ" he means "meme." But if he had outright called them "memes" I think it would've lost some people.
@@kd013n what? You mean the time he spent to actually construct those 7 minutes? If yes then indeed he spent Hours possibly Days "Understanding meme culture" but he still took 7min to _explain it_
I just realized how accurate this is to political quarrels, when the sides really argue, they point to the totems and say "this is you" and the other side denies it and then says the exact same thing, repeat forever
Nobody in modern politics argues accurately. I very rarely see people arguing against the true beliefs of an opposing viewpoint. Instead they attack an outrageous strawman which completely bypasses the logic of the true belief. Best example is abortion. Pro-life argues that "The pro-choicers are MURDERING CHILDREN! They are BLOODTHIRSTY and inhumane." Pro-choice argues "The pro-lifers are MISOGYNISTS who oppose abortion because they want to CONTROL WOMEN!" Not one person actually addresses the true divide in opinions, which is whether or not a human fetus constitutes a human being. If THAT were the focus of conversation, maybe we could actually get somewhere TOGETHER, but instead we're gridlocked by manufactured outrage.
@@coolestto personally I think as soon as the egg is fertilized it should be considered a human and have all the rights that everyone should have but that being said there are lots of situations where abortion should exist so I think it needs to be controlled a little better because there are unfortunately people that use it as a form of birth control but it needs to be around for the people that truly need it.
there used to be a part of the video at the end saying something like "this video is also a thought germ. please sneeze it out to people you know, *infect everyone*" that seems to have vanished. given the pandemic, I am not surprised about that, but I shall forever miss that bit
This is the best explanation I've ever seen of the psychology that is fueling our current culture wars. I can't think of a more important video that literally everyone should see. I can't believe I missed this for so long.
It's more like the opposite. One of the things about depressed people is that they have limited neurogenesis, which means they become incapable of forming new thoughts so their mind basically get stuck in a loop they can't get out of. They become more or less incapable of accepting new thoughts, they only accept thoughts that conform to ideas they already have. Tell a depressed person why and how things are not so bad the only thing they'll do is find a reason why it is and why that person is wrong and stupid and just trying to hurt them and so on, they can't accept the idea because they're not forming new neurons, or at least a lot less of them than regular people, and will therefore never see things from a new perspective. Why this happens nobody knows. But that's what medication tries to do, basically kickstart neurogenesis. But without it being combined with therapy/spiritual guidance they'll just create new depressing thoughts, so they'll need someone to guide them in order to form more positive ideas going forward.
What's tiring is that not having an stance (sometimes for the valid reason of "I don't know enough to form one") is seen as agreeing with the "enemy" of whoever asked for such stance. It's even more tiring to be expected to be experts on all issues all the time. It's impossible at best and anxiety/stress inducing at worst. Even if you want to be an activist, it's more effective to focus on one core issue than to spread your time and energy over all issues.
I think I can guess some of the points. Humans tend to mirror emotions, so when someone is aggressive/angry at them they respond in anger as well, which only causes them to get further entrenched in their position.
This makes so much sense, and it reminds me of another thing that fits perfect with this model. I usually take the neutral position on a lot of divisive thought germs, and one thing I have notice is the one side or the other trick makes the thought germs fight harder against resistant minds. Both sides of the virus get angry that you aren't infected and try to make you angry yo pick a side.
i personnaly always take the opposite side of the argument , i make it clear that it not my argument but simply a argument . it very supprising to see that by engaging for the sake os social make people less block int they way of thinking
@@mikerotchburns7122 Are you MAD?! IT IS RED AND RED ONLY!!! It does not depend on the Monitor or something IT IS RED!!! ORANGE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! pfffffff
@@sdrawkcab_emanresu That is obviously red-orange. That's how this whole "wHiCh CoLoR?" thing works. I could literally find a blue-green flower, ask the internet whether it's blue or green and they would lose their minds. It's not red or orange. Its both.
@@-khayri-4280 RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a combination of red and orange would be orange, but IT IS RED AND RED ONLY!!!!!!111!!!!
I started practicing heavy brain hygiene last year. For those with anxiety like myself, being ignorant of anything happening outside your immediate sphere of influence is such a healthy thing. You learn so much about tackling the problems you can actually spend time solving rather than stressing over issues that you can’t do anything to change.
Great comment. This is something I need to do. Overconsumption of political news, doomscrolling, and just overall pessimistic media is doing me no favors. I could be using that energy improving my own life rather than worrying about what the rest of the world is up to.
@@siryizzur Well, you do need quita a bit of privilege in order to do that. You can’t really ignore politics if your rights are on the table, aka, if you’re a minority. Just keep that it mind.
Man sentenced to death be electric chair, what happens next is shocking. Rare brain desease causes spontaneous combustion, what happens next will blow your mind. Chef chops onions for the first time since his mother died, what happens next will bring him to tears.
Yeah but everyone needs to be able to understand it. People need to understand that what he's talking about explains both memes and political discussions. They should be able to tell that what they're doing comes under the title "thought germs".
@@PecsaV Notice he wrote "should", and not "must". Yes, the OP already knows that doing so is impossible, although he wishes it wasn't. You're not smart.
...how did I not just realize that the infographic at the beginning essentially says "[half the Internet is pointless arguing, and] the other half is cat pictures and porn"?
I think the moral here is that even when opposing something horrific and enraging, you need to question your assumptions and your source of information
Dendarang A website with millions of users has a singular coherent ideology? Sounds like your making demonic strawmen and your argument is becoming fucking retarded as a result.
I swear, the comments for this video are some of the CALMEST and happiest I've ever seen for any RUclips comments section. It's as if everyone is consciously AVOIDING getting angry just to prove the video wrong about them. Even the "angry" comments you see here aren't actually angry. They're just jokes poking fun at anger, itself. Hell, even trolling is virtually nonexistent! That is, I barely see ANYONE in the comments saying anything that's INTENDED to bait other people into angry arguments. I only see "pretend trolls" here, which are basically just people who are PRETENDING to be trolls and have no real intention of instigating angry responses as real trolls would. *The title of this video should be called "Reverse Psychology" because that's exactly what it is -- getting people to avoid anger by telling them they will be angry.*
I am not arguing, I am telling you my opinion on the matter, but not saying you are wrong, just speaking personally, I have seen nicer comments on other videos (mainly stupid ones about mushy emotion...), but I have not made nice comments/mean comments here just to prove or disprove the video...
stupid idiots. What gold and white lol???? p.s.: when i first saw it I saw white and gold..... And there were lines "showing" the colors. Now i see blue and black.
@@Tulpen23 That could be the very reason - since there's literally nothing to get angry about in the video, the title becomes false clickbait, and people might dislike for that.
@steve another thing I heard is that disliking is a guaranteed way to get RUclips to stop reccomending a video, so if someone keeps getting reccomended it but dont want to watch it they just click dislike
am I the only one who is noticing that most channels took away the skip add button so now the 30 minute adds are nearly unavoidable unless you want to mess around with adblock
Wow. This is very eye opening. For example: If anyone says ABORTION, the comment sections blow up! The country is split 50/50 on it, and enrages people
@Jessica Channing And just to make it worse, the country is actually split about 2/3 to 1/3 in various seemingly contradictory ways depending on the exact phrasing of the question, allowing everyone to increase the strength of their “thought germ” by claiming the right of the majority.
I wrote my thesis based on Dawkin's meme theory about how ideas basically spread and reproduce like living organisms, especially in the context of fictional characters. But then my lecturer was religious and did not agree with evolution and Dawkins in general, so my thesis didn't score very well. The way our brains work is really extremely illogical and ineffective.
Our brains can't be that illogical if we are the top of the food chain and can reproduce quite effectively. Which is the entire point of life, to stay on top and make more humans.
Michael Wade There are countless ways to stay on top of the competition, intelligence is just one of them and logic is only one of the functions our brain has. We humans may be very effective organisms, but horseshoe crabs, sponges, sharks, dragonflies and many other animals have lived for hundreds of millions of years without needing anywhere as much brain power. In fact the greatest organisms are probably microbes, they will outlive all macro organisms and will most definitely hitch hike on human spaceships and spread throughout the universe in the future. But then again if I go back to the idea of memes being living things, our ideas, fictional characters and other memes have already been broadcast and spread across the galaxy for the past 100 years by radio.
Wow people that don't believe in evolution are still hired in that position? Jeez. I'm a theist, but I have never doubted evolution. When ALL the evidence is there for one thing, and little to none for an opposing thing, I'm gonna go with the former thing.
***** No I'm actually not trolling at all, I can send you my thesis if you want. I don't think trolls usually put their faces on the internet. If this actually goes out of control I can probably just close the entire thread.
no u need to make 2 group of ppl constantly angry with each other,, TRUMP + HILARY,, and then the conversation never stops.,, like the cold war,, US + USSR
Other people thought of it long before Dawkins did. In fact, at least one guy, a year before Dawkins, described it in his writings. A guy named Cloak. Dawkins stealing other people's ideas is nothing new.
+Kelly Corless which is what he's talking about pretty much in this video (meme from in the more general, internet-based societal phenomenon, not just pepe and grumpy cat)
The very idea of a meme is that ideas really can't be "stolen" as opposed to "shared" if things like that happen. I'm not sure if Dawkins legitimately stole the idea or put his own take on it, but he made a meme out of describing memes if it was the latter.
And the biggest issues with the theory of memetics are: No physical, measurable explanation for the proposed phenomenon The mutability of thoughts are such that a stable descent is not possible, and thoughts mix in ways not applicable to reproduction/genetics/population curves. (If they were, a human could mate with a fly, and get a cow) Folkloristics and other such fields make models and setups more comprehensible and useful than those proposed after Dawkins's memetics
Paradox? You got angry when you didn't get angry - therefore, you're not angry, but you are regardless? Or therefore, you're angry, but you really are not angry? ...I'm confused.
The thing is, it DOENST make me think republicans and democrats. My views are a bit more radical left so it makes me think neo-fascists vs socialists That’s kind of the point. It’s a universal human behavior within any subculture.
@Jace Wright I'm not certain DC vs Marvel holds the same power as the other, where people sharing the same viewpoint will willfully gather to exchange their thoughts about how bad the opposing group really is, it's mostly frontal (and frankly, cheerful) confrontations. Apart from a lack of importance (except for some rare individuals), the problem with this specifics memes is that both sides aren't mutually exclusive, and in any given conversation, you'll have a great chance to encounter people appreciating both without falling in some kind of middle ground fallacy. This could theoretically also be true for playground kids, but reliance on black or white fallacies and rejection fear will be a lot more effective in this context. I also really think that the most successful anger memes draw a lot of power from a feeling of threat, that there is a clear possibility for this confrontation to go either way, and that if the opposing side somehow manages to win (even temporarily), you will lose something important. Hence why people here will think first about Liberals vs Conservatives rather than Anarchy vs State.
MisterTenNumbers are....you arguing against multiple uses of a word as a political stance? (Assuming that’s why you are saying right wing= 100% correct because the word right also means correct??? I’m not sure I understand? Can you explain further? I’m asking because I try to assume good faith, and a political slogan that shallow being convincing to you would make you really really dumb. You aren’t really really dumb are you?) You seem to take grammar Nazi very literally 🤣 Ps. You see the irony of your totemic hated here?
Remember the words of the Emperor: An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. Happiness is a delusion of the weak. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. Truth is Subjective. To Question is to doubt. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
excellent way of summarizing the "us or them" mentality! I do my best to reject that one when I see it in the wild (while tempering my anger as best I can that someone almost pulled me into their blindness), but as happened at least one time recently, it is sometimes incredibly difficult to take a third option.
Now did CGP Grey make this video due to the dress debate, because he says that it takes him forever to make a video. Or did he predict the dress debate. Or did CGP Grey start the dress debate to make this video inherently relevant. It's official, CGP Grey has become the internet, and actually controls everything we see and post. CONFIRMED.
The many youtube channels that survive on the lifeboat of steamy things. Also, Noble, AKA LostPause. Bless that man, so funny and such a great community.
It is actually a 'biological' (neurological/psychological) theory invented by evolotional biologist Richard Dawkins. The units are called 'memes' in analogy to genes.
+StrontiumMercury He wants to avoid it because although what he's talking about is what "meme" was coined to mean, it has come to more commonly mean "picture with added text for lulz", and he didn't want to make people think he was *only* talking about that kind of meme.
5:41 "All this isn't to say there's no point in arguing; that's a different video."
It's been almost 5 years, I think we need that video now.
You know what, I don't think we need that video. Let's argue now.
@@RaylaEclipse actually we need it now CGP grey is piling up videos he doesn't touch or work on and that makes each video he promises less appealing kinda like half life 3
🤔
@@carlstan4282
Actually no, we dont need a video, as arguing is best done via arguing and experience.
@@raddragon1373 I disagree. Lets start a [stupid, biased and unethical] race war
I'm in AWE and really pretty HAPPY that this video didn't make me ANGRY. (sneeze)
I caught the germ D:
I disagree
I'm SAD my comment won't get any likes. ;)
"Thought germ"? There's no need to coin a new phrase for that. Richard Dawkins created a perfectly good word for it back in the 1970s: "meme".
Memes aren't the only "thought germ" though.
This video needs to be permanently pinned to RUclips's front page, right smack in the center.
minus access to the comments section, I hope. :-)
@@LurkerPlus Actually, the comments seem to be primarily making fun of these polarizing, symbiotic thought germs.
Why not left smack in the center, reeee
lets report
Yeah it's like one of the most important systems of our time.
This is actually called "memetics" and every time he says "thought-germ" he means "meme." But if he had outright called them "memes" I think it would've lost some people.
Memes, the dna of the soul
@@Rabi2in Apple Bottom Jeans, Raiden. Boots with the fur.
@@Thorne-In-Your-Side emergency meeting
It goes far beyond memes... It also encompasses the fox vs MSNBC extremes, RUclips misinformation, american politics...
@@andrewtorrens7790 Those are all memes.
Thank you for confirming my belief that Buzzfeed is the Herpes of the internet.
Buzzfeed is red...
OOOOOOOH
:O BUZZFEED IS ANGER!!
hahaha
ramble ramble ramble...
This guy just explained meme culture in 7 minutes... A feat I couldn't complete in my lifetime
you know there's an invisible timeline behind every video of any length, right?
Or like 4 if you go to 2x speed
"Meme" actually means spreading thoughts and ideas around. The study of this is called "memetics" you should look it up
@@kd013n what?
You mean the time he spent to actually construct those 7 minutes?
If yes then indeed he spent Hours possibly Days "Understanding meme culture" but he still took 7min to _explain it_
More than meme culture, he basically explained all culture
I just realized how accurate this is to political quarrels, when the sides really argue, they point to the totems and say "this is you" and the other side denies it and then says the exact same thing, repeat forever
Nobody in modern politics argues accurately. I very rarely see people arguing against the true beliefs of an opposing viewpoint. Instead they attack an outrageous strawman which completely bypasses the logic of the true belief.
Best example is abortion. Pro-life argues that "The pro-choicers are MURDERING CHILDREN! They are BLOODTHIRSTY and inhumane." Pro-choice argues "The pro-lifers are MISOGYNISTS who oppose abortion because they want to CONTROL WOMEN!"
Not one person actually addresses the true divide in opinions, which is whether or not a human fetus constitutes a human being. If THAT were the focus of conversation, maybe we could actually get somewhere TOGETHER, but instead we're gridlocked by manufactured outrage.
It gets pretty mind-numbing after a while, doesn't it? Makes many people check out from these discussions all together. Who could blame 'em?
@@coolestto ..people argue over whether fetuses are humans all the time. each group will make claims at eachother, but that isn’t all they do.
@@coolestto personally I think as soon as the egg is fertilized it should be considered a human and have all the rights that everyone should have but that being said there are lots of situations where abortion should exist so I think it needs to be controlled a little better because there are unfortunately people that use it as a form of birth control but it needs to be around for the people that truly need it.
@@coolestto isnt pro life anti abortion?
there used to be a part of the video at the end saying something like "this video is also a thought germ. please sneeze it out to people you know, *infect everyone*" that seems to have vanished. given the pandemic, I am not surprised about that, but I shall forever miss that bit
It is still there
@@irisbassin yeah, I just made a comment about how the closed captions go beyond the end of the video ... quite interesting!
Aw :( I think it's still there on the podcast
This video was made five years ago but couldn’t be more relavent right now in 2020
I swear all the these info channels are time travelers
-Do you mean the metaphor of germs, or the topic of divisiveness? -Yes
Roman Morozov more so decisiveness but it works for both
This is basically the entire year. Mask vs Nomask, blm vs blm, d vs r.
Literally was describing this video to my grandfather to explain social outrage on FB
The “you’re with us or against us” line hits pretty different in 2021.
It does in any election year and the one after lol
@@kyleking3839
Yeah, but this one is a bit different.
"Blame all and praise all are two blockheads." -Benjamin Franklin
@@kyleking3839 why u so mad?
@@year6million I'm not mad though I'm just saying every election year will be you're with us or you're against us so are you with me or against me lol
I'm angry this video didn't make me angry
Oh wait
Facts
@0 subscribers without a video? get destroyed
0 subscribers without a video? Lies you have 5
Toxic 10
No, fuck you and everyone else.
Oof
I love how 9,251,353 people clicked on this video, wanting to get angry.
This is the best explanation I've ever seen of the psychology that is fueling our current culture wars. I can't think of a more important video that literally everyone should see. I can't believe I missed this for so long.
Going to kick your teeth in lmao
@@johnquincyadams1562 what?
*appreciates message. Goes to comment in agreement. Sees other responses..... Sigh* ok, yeah, welcome to the internet.
Share it and spread those thought germs
@@johnquincyadams1562 want to grow our anger germs?
"Sad thoughts don't get very far"
-they get in depressed people.
Does that mean depression is basically a mental immune deficiency?
Yes
Nah it's just that nobody wants to hear your sorry ass.
Just kidding I don't mean that ♡
the fuck-
It's more like the opposite. One of the things about depressed people is that they have limited neurogenesis, which means they become incapable of forming new thoughts so their mind basically get stuck in a loop they can't get out of. They become more or less incapable of accepting new thoughts, they only accept thoughts that conform to ideas they already have. Tell a depressed person why and how things are not so bad the only thing they'll do is find a reason why it is and why that person is wrong and stupid and just trying to hurt them and so on, they can't accept the idea because they're not forming new neurons, or at least a lot less of them than regular people, and will therefore never see things from a new perspective. Why this happens nobody knows. But that's what medication tries to do, basically kickstart neurogenesis. But without it being combined with therapy/spiritual guidance they'll just create new depressing thoughts, so they'll need someone to guide them in order to form more positive ideas going forward.
Nah, sad thoughts get into a brain. Causes unalive. Can't continue.
“It’s your brain, be hygienic with it.”
*scrubs brain with soap*
Its GG Gamer that is absolutely horrifying.
Roxana no problem
JosukeHasCoolHair :/
RIP
Ayy! Brain Washing!!!
What's tiring is that not having an stance (sometimes for the valid reason of "I don't know enough to form one") is seen as agreeing with the "enemy" of whoever asked for such stance. It's even more tiring to be expected to be experts on all issues all the time. It's impossible at best and anxiety/stress inducing at worst. Even if you want to be an activist, it's more effective to focus on one core issue than to spread your time and energy over all issues.
So memes are biological weapons that is condemned by the Geneva convention
Oh *shit*
No *shit*
Article 13 instensifyies
@Rafael Cracel makes sense to me.
Commie Memes - No, memes are psychological weapons.
T H O U G H T D E T E C T E D
B E G O N E T H O U G H T
T H O U G H T D E S T R O Y E D
XD lololololololol
Satanael!
thought reproduced
Dammit
I really want the "Arguments: You're making everything worse" video to come to life.
I think I can guess some of the points. Humans tend to mirror emotions, so when someone is aggressive/angry at them they respond in anger as well, which only causes them to get further entrenched in their position.
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 You're right, but in the context of thought germs most of them are. Just look at the comment section of youtube.
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 Argument without aggression is debate.
@@cursed_cats5710 nah debates are more formal
@@ultimatedude5686 i would refute that statement, but that would cause a debate about debates and we can't be having that kind of debateception here
This makes so much sense, and it reminds me of another thing that fits perfect with this model.
I usually take the neutral position on a lot of divisive thought germs, and one thing I have notice is the one side or the other trick makes the thought germs fight harder against resistant minds. Both sides of the virus get angry that you aren't infected and try to make you angry yo pick a side.
i personnaly always take the opposite side of the argument , i make it clear that it not my argument but simply a argument . it very supprising to see that by engaging for the sake os social make people less block int they way of thinking
Yep, I don’t know how many times I’ve been called a fence sitter or even a coward for just not wanting to discuss something.
I'd try to stop the arguement itself, taking a third side.
>click a video expecting to get clickbaited
>get a video on memetics
I don't know about you, but I'm happy.
Dawkins ftw
he clickbaited you so you're supposed to be mad
You're supposed to be mad either way.
This makes me remember the time that reddit fought over what color the upvote button was (red or orange)
Obviously orange
@@mikerotchburns7122 Are you MAD?! IT IS RED AND RED ONLY!!! It does not depend on the Monitor or something IT IS RED!!! ORANGE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! pfffffff
@@sdrawkcab_emanresu That is obviously red-orange. That's how this whole "wHiCh CoLoR?" thing works. I could literally find a blue-green flower, ask the internet whether it's blue or green and they would lose their minds. It's not red or orange. Its both.
@@-khayri-4280 RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And a combination of red and orange would be orange, but IT IS RED AND RED ONLY!!!!!!111!!!!
@@sdrawkcab_emanresu The color of reddit's logo and lots of the UI is orange so why would it be red and not orange?
So basically this is why this election's shit storm has kept growing at such a large rate.
Bobby Ferg yes
Or religion.
I immediately thought of Gamergate.
yup sometimes I think them atheist and theist arguments disrupt rational neutral conversation about something
true as an american citizen
This only gets more relevant as time goes on. Godspeed Grey, you may well be our only hope
That's my secret, I'm always angry
Im on my phone but I would like your comment if I was on PC
Sweet, thanks!
You're very welcome
Hulk smash
same
I started practicing heavy brain hygiene last year. For those with anxiety like myself, being ignorant of anything happening outside your immediate sphere of influence is such a healthy thing. You learn so much about tackling the problems you can actually spend time solving rather than stressing over issues that you can’t do anything to change.
Tried that one, turns out the verbiage "if you have no interest in politics, eventually it'll develop interest in you" was coined by a very wise man(
@@sergeymyasnikov736 so what changed?
Great comment. This is something I need to do. Overconsumption of political news, doomscrolling, and just overall pessimistic media is doing me no favors. I could be using that energy improving my own life rather than worrying about what the rest of the world is up to.
@@siryizzur Well, you do need quita a bit of privilege in order to do that. You can’t really ignore politics if your rights are on the table, aka, if you’re a minority. Just keep that it mind.
Why not just build up an immunity to it, expose yourself to it so much that it no longer phases you in the slightest.
"Still here? You got infected really hard."
Well, no, I got lost in the comments..
The other thought germs got to you before Grey's did
Eryn Chandler same
Bucket Hat Trick a
😂😂
this has only become more relevant with each new year and i suspect this will continue for many more
This explains the longevity of the Pineapple on pizza debate.
two sides. one is right and the other wrong. which is which?
I love pineapples on pizza with their softness a juice (softer than normal, it's good).
GamingKing2436 thanks for pointing out the wrong position
@@camohawk6703 the anti pop
@@GamingKing-jo9py tf is wrong with you
Trainers HATE him!
7 things you didnt know about..
What he did next will SHOCK you!
Man, I clicked on your comment!
This ONE weird trick to burn fat!
... Uhh, like eating less?
Man sentenced to death be electric chair, what happens next is shocking. Rare brain desease causes spontaneous combustion, what happens next will blow your mind. Chef chops onions for the first time since his mother died, what happens next will bring him to tears.
DrMrProfJacob you should own buzzfeed
I'm making $7453 USD a day. You can too. I'll tell you my secret for only $7453.
Much like a driving test before getting on the road, this video should be shown to everyone before getting on the internet.
Yea
Bycicles: Weell I think I broke the system!
Yeah but everyone needs to be able to understand it. People need to understand that what he's talking about explains both memes and political discussions. They should be able to tell that what they're doing comes under the title "thought germs".
No not actually, it would be impossible, you live under the rocks?
@@PecsaV Notice he wrote "should", and not "must". Yes, the OP already knows that doing so is impossible, although he wishes it wasn't. You're not smart.
Seven years later and this video still telling the truth about the internet
...how did I not just realize that the infographic at the beginning essentially says "[half the Internet is pointless arguing, and] the other half is cat pictures and porn"?
IoEstasCedonta And 1% is Games?
IoEstasCedonta Sounds right to me.
+Gamers Combat (Sapis) "pointless games" :)
Maxander2001 kinda
IoEstasCedonta cat porn?
DX
HORRIBLE
Two years later and now we know where the Paul brothers learned to do what they did.
And pewds do the same
St Paul's?
Or pual juniot
Junior*
"Each group argues among themselves about how angry they are at the other group"
Reddit and internet culture in a nutshell
Reddit is pure cancer , avoid it.
@@1973Washu how the mighty has fallen down :( Reddit used to be the best now it's terrible
*group
A-among!?
*US*
Yeah and twitter
This aged well ... Unfortunately
It's so relevant right now.
Yeah, right now, no matter when you read it.
First reply somehow
yep
Omg he is transmitting this message through time and space
@@bastard-took-the-name-I-had You just gave me an idea for message that is static in time, and weird paradoxes it implies are breaking my mind
@@Swordfish42 Glad to help?
01:08 "Sad thoughs don't get very far."
That's sad :(
guess this didn’t spread very far
It is!! Because sadness is most associated with slowing down and learning 🥺
you proved his point
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 of all the emotions? I would say so!
And *yet*, there are so many videos about doomers and such. I don't like them, but now that I think about it this way, it's almost inspiring.
Never has a video so accurately encapsulated social media before this
Does anyone else find it disturbing that Facebook, Twitters, etc. are getting rich off people spewing irrational hatred?
my hate for india is gone
The simplest explanation of both meme theory and infohazards.
I think the moral here is that even when opposing something horrific and enraging, you need to question your assumptions and your source of information
+The Bandog NO! You ugly dog!
+Gnomelord0 ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY ARGUMENT BLAH BLAH!
+Dendarang Im sure 4Chan could
Dendarang Did you just criticize strawmen while using tumblr as a strawman? classy
Dendarang A website with millions of users has a singular coherent ideology? Sounds like your making demonic strawmen and your argument is becoming fucking retarded as a result.
I swear, the comments for this video are some of the CALMEST and happiest I've ever seen for any RUclips comments section. It's as if everyone is consciously AVOIDING getting angry just to prove the video wrong about them.
Even the "angry" comments you see here aren't actually angry. They're just jokes poking fun at anger, itself. Hell, even trolling is virtually nonexistent! That is, I barely see ANYONE in the comments saying anything that's INTENDED to bait other people into angry arguments. I only see "pretend trolls" here, which are basically just people who are PRETENDING to be trolls and have no real intention of instigating angry responses as real trolls would.
*The title of this video should be called "Reverse Psychology" because that's exactly what it is -- getting people to avoid anger by telling them they will be angry.*
under-rated comment :D
you got a bit angry there tho
I also thought there was an unusual amount of intelligence and optimism in these comments. A welcome change for sure!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*Angerirng intensifies*
I am not arguing, I am telling you my opinion on the matter, but not saying you are wrong, just speaking personally, I have seen nicer comments on other videos (mainly stupid ones about mushy emotion...), but I have not made nice comments/mean comments here just to prove or disprove the video...
So Drama alert is like a disease factory?
and tumblr.
let get rigggggggght into the neeeeeewwwwwwwws
+Potato Master 69 NOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSE*
Facebook is even worse
And leafy and all the kinds.
nine years later still revelent as always would love that argument video
“Not so educational videos”
A circle with a heart in it
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Slightly more polite than using the pornhub logo.
0:59 The heart goes to the pituitary gland
@@ytisnottwitter lmao nice catch
@@ytisnottwitter lmaooo
Turn the heart upside down and you get some uhhhh.... the only hint imma give is “test”
"Logging on to your social media then is exposing yourself to everyone's mental sneezes."
"Their snot in your mouth"
I really do want a sneeze-themed social media platform for some reason now.
This sounds oddly familiar....
Like politically familiar....
Nope, doesn't ring a bell. Welp, gonna go tweet about how much I hate the opposing party!
Hik M
Very true - I like the ending comment about how we need to be wary of views that have passed through so many hands
Hik Molokov HAHA STOOPID LIBTARDS!!!!1!
wow, that's a pretty bad sneeze. God bless
Hik Molokov ok
thinking of tweets on twitter as sneezes definetly makes me feel better
@@caseyschannel amazing
reddit in a nutshell
+TheBadGuy Says a guy that probably uses 4chan on a daily basis and never really reads Reddit. I'm close, aren't I ?
+Gianlol12 There are people who think 4chan is more popular than reddit? Seriously?
+Gianlol12 as someone who uses both 4chan and reddit. I have to say. 4Chan is bester than Reddit.
+ian doyle 8chan is better than 4chan
just subs like /r/atheism
These “mind germs” as you refer to them are called _Memes_
no shit sherlock
Meme have one weakness tho. A short lifespan. Some memes may have longer lifespans than others but they all still spread faster than anger germs.
Only if they are funny.
It’s_pronounced_ _SVAUVÉ Grey knows that but was avoiding the word because it has a different meaning to most people.
@@nicksel2 no, the original meaning of the meme is this
Basically, this is explaining the argument "What Color is the Dress?"
And grumpy cat ;)
stupid idiots. What gold and white lol????
p.s.: when i first saw it I saw white and gold..... And there were lines "showing" the colors. Now i see blue and black.
Peter Sauer I see the dress and imagine what's under it. Yes, I'm a pig.
JogInTheFog k
JogInTheFog a coat hanger. Indeed, what a pig
Psh politics, *am I right?*
0:35 Pause right after he says "either way"
I see that too thats kinda creepy
omg so creepy...
what
Thank you for that, I was having the hardest time stopping right on that frame
How did you catch that?
ive just watched a lesson on memetics unironically
Lemuel Ogabang, we need official meme scientists.
YOU USED IRONICALLY WRONG
Don't think I didn't see the spooky clowns at 0:35
The whole video was fascinating and didn't make me mad but when I saw the clowns I lost it.
youre helping it reproduce
Oh darn
I saw it! I was about to comment, but I wanted to see if anyone beat me to it (in the year this was up).
I didnt see it
Didn't make me angry. Disappointed.
I can't watch this without thinking about American politics and how polarized it is now, I'm not even American.
Funny.. Keep to your own country.
HicaptainWorld Funny.. keep your army out of my region.
HicaptainWorld Funny.. stop creating terrorism swamps by invading and destabilizing other countries.
+HicaptainWorld take your L
HeyThereBImHope please save us
it didn't make me angry, i want my money back lol
The point of the title is that remember how in the video he said angry stuff gets shared the most? It's an inside joke of sorts.
By the way, how can it not make you angry? He pronounced gif wrong. >:(
+Stephen Malacaria no, He pronounced gif correctly. >__>
Scott J. Fox i wasn't listening did he say jif or gif?
i am da maasta he says "gif" like a proper human being. :P
This video is more relevant now than ever.
*Has always been, still is and will be relevant in the future.
bro predicted 10 years into the future...
Me: I doubt anyone will get angry over this video (looks at dislikes)
Me: I stand corrected
Yeah, I'm honestly struggling to imagine how so many people could dislike this video.
@@Tulpen23 That could be the very reason - since there's literally nothing to get angry about in the video, the title becomes false clickbait, and people might dislike for that.
@steve another thing I heard is that disliking is a guaranteed way to get RUclips to stop reccomending a video, so if someone keeps getting reccomended it but dont want to watch it they just click dislike
I disliked this at some point in the past, but I don’t remember why, or how, because I’m almost certain I’ve never seen this video.
@@artistictutorials3246 So, did you un-dislike it then?
That damn blue and gold dress was just a thought germ spreading throughout the world
its literally in my english textbook 💀 the class spent 30 whole minutes just arguing again what color it is
blue and black
This video made me angry because there was a 30 sec unskipable ad before
Does anyone ever look at these ads? I don't.
adblock
support youtube creators!
am I the only one who is noticing that most channels took away the skip add button so now the 30 minute adds are nearly unavoidable unless you want to mess around with adblock
are the dislikes from people who got angry or people who didnt?
Wow. This is very eye opening.
For example: If anyone says ABORTION, the comment sections blow up! The country is split 50/50 on it, and enrages people
@Jessica Channing And just to make it worse, the country is actually split about 2/3 to 1/3 in various seemingly contradictory ways depending on the exact phrasing of the question, allowing everyone to increase the strength of their “thought germ” by claiming the right of the majority.
Abortion.
@@Henrix1998 And to that I say... Probably not?
@@Henrix1998 depends is it a good baby or a evil baby
My point exactly.... 🤦🏼♀️
I wrote my thesis based on Dawkin's meme theory about how ideas basically spread and reproduce like living organisms, especially in the context of fictional characters.
But then my lecturer was religious and did not agree with evolution and Dawkins in general, so my thesis didn't score very well. The way our brains work is really extremely illogical and ineffective.
Our brains can't be that illogical if we are the top of the food chain and can reproduce quite effectively. Which is the entire point of life, to stay on top and make more humans.
Michael Wade There are countless ways to stay on top of the competition, intelligence is just one of them and logic is only one of the functions our brain has.
We humans may be very effective organisms, but horseshoe crabs, sponges, sharks, dragonflies and many other animals have lived for hundreds of millions of years without needing anywhere as much brain power.
In fact the greatest organisms are probably microbes, they will outlive all macro organisms and will most definitely hitch hike on human spaceships and spread throughout the universe in the future.
But then again if I go back to the idea of memes being living things, our ideas, fictional characters and other memes have already been broadcast and spread across the galaxy for the past 100 years by radio.
your lecturer rejected your theses because he was evolution denialist ?
jesus fuck, man, the empire is crumbling quicker than i thought.
Wow people that don't believe in evolution are still hired in that position? Jeez. I'm a theist, but I have never doubted evolution. When ALL the evidence is there for one thing, and little to none for an opposing thing, I'm gonna go with the former thing.
***** No I'm actually not trolling at all, I can send you my thesis if you want. I don't think trolls usually put their faces on the internet.
If this actually goes out of control I can probably just close the entire thread.
"But do I give a fuck?" - How to get through the world around you.
Tru dat
no u need to make 2 group of ppl constantly angry with each other,, TRUMP + HILARY,, and then the conversation never stops.,, like the cold war,, US + USSR
HILLARY SUCKS!!!
RoobehTunes thanks for the advice 😊
RoobehTunes But that just spreads more angry gems XD.
did anyone notice 0:35?
he's literally just described Richard Dawkins' original definition of 'meme'
Other people thought of it long before Dawkins did. In fact, at least one guy, a year before Dawkins, described it in his writings. A guy named Cloak.
Dawkins stealing other people's ideas is nothing new.
+GreyWolfLeaderTW I'm just referring to the fact that Dawkins coined the term 'meme'
+Kelly Corless which is what he's talking about pretty much in this video (meme from in the more general, internet-based societal phenomenon, not just pepe and grumpy cat)
The very idea of a meme is that ideas really can't be "stolen" as opposed to "shared" if things like that happen. I'm not sure if Dawkins legitimately stole the idea or put his own take on it, but he made a meme out of describing memes if it was the latter.
And the biggest issues with the theory of memetics are:
No physical, measurable explanation for the proposed phenomenon
The mutability of thoughts are such that a stable descent is not possible, and thoughts mix in ways not applicable to reproduction/genetics/population curves. (If they were, a human could mate with a fly, and get a cow)
Folkloristics and other such fields make models and setups more comprehensible and useful than those proposed after Dawkins's memetics
This video made me angry because it didn't make me angry
Oh wait
Oh wait
I did something wrong. It didn't make me angry, and I am also not angry at the fact that it didn't
Kristiyan Mirchev
P A R A D O X
maybe, but being as flegmatic as I am is not always the best.
Paradox?
You got angry when you didn't get angry - therefore, you're not angry, but you are regardless? Or therefore, you're angry, but you really are not angry?
...I'm confused.
“Infect them all” didn’t age well
Really? I think it aged perfectly, that's what everyone on the globe is doing right now
It aged like a bio weapon. Terrible for anyone that doesn’t want it
You realize illnesses before covid exist right?
But not everyone was infected
haha Covid bad haha foony haha 2020 bad haha
If there's any video that deserves to be pinned to the front page of RUclips for the rest of eternity, it's this one.
I'm thinking Democrats vs Republicans is the perfect example for this
chaosXP3RT you forgot about theists vs atheists.
Shketri and Tumblr and the rest of the world
My first thought was GamerGate and anti-GamerGate and then Feminists and the MRM.
***** Great, there you do it, defaming one side because you are in favour of the other, guess you learned nothing from that video!
Also Atheists and religious people.
This couldn't be more relevant now...
It’s always relevant
It’ll be more relevant later
you underestimate relevance
We're all thinking it. Republicans vs Democrats. I will admit that I've become infected by such enraging thought germs many times.
This video has only become more and more relevant over time.
The thing is, it DOENST make me think republicans and democrats.
My views are a bit more radical left so it makes me think neo-fascists vs socialists
That’s kind of the point. It’s a universal human behavior within any subculture.
*peaces out*
@Jace Wright I'm not certain DC vs Marvel holds the same power as the other, where people sharing the same viewpoint will willfully gather to exchange their thoughts about how bad the opposing group really is, it's mostly frontal (and frankly, cheerful) confrontations. Apart from a lack of importance (except for some rare individuals), the problem with this specifics memes is that both sides aren't mutually exclusive, and in any given conversation, you'll have a great chance to encounter people appreciating both without falling in some kind of middle ground fallacy. This could theoretically also be true for playground kids, but reliance on black or white fallacies and rejection fear will be a lot more effective in this context.
I also really think that the most successful anger memes draw a lot of power from a feeling of threat, that there is a clear possibility for this confrontation to go either way, and that if the opposing side somehow manages to win (even temporarily), you will lose something important. Hence why people here will think first about Liberals vs Conservatives rather than Anarchy vs State.
MisterTenNumbers are....you arguing against multiple uses of a word as a political stance? (Assuming that’s why you are saying right wing= 100% correct because the word right also means correct??? I’m not sure I understand? Can you explain further? I’m asking because I try to assume good faith, and a political slogan that shallow being convincing to you would make you really really dumb. You aren’t really really dumb are you?)
You seem to take grammar Nazi very literally 🤣
Ps. You see the irony of your totemic hated here?
literally "Inception" (2010 movie) : "What is the most resilient parasite? A bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea."
“It makes it almost impossible to stay neutral”
Ah, you’ve never heard of Switzerland, have you?
Switzerland is basically almost impossible among countries
Sweden has entered the chat
@@kinggeorgev5783 and what does Sweden have to say?
@@kinggeorgev5783 it’s only the past couple hundred years that sweden hasn’t engaged in war
According to Wikipedia Sweden fought in 54 wars :P (mostly against Denmark)
so memes ARE actually aids
no cancer
+Matthis Tauritz Bakker no that's buzzfeed
Michael Agnello lol
Are pepes memes?
+Ralana Whelton Yes
Emotions are weak spots in my brain? Better get rid of them
Live long and prosper. 🖖
Psychopaths beat the system!!
Remember the words of the Emperor:
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
Happiness is a delusion of the weak.
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Truth is Subjective.
To Question is to doubt.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Those quotes are depressing but accurate and logical nevertheless.
Channel Unbound BY BEING EMO
excellent way of summarizing the "us or them" mentality!
I do my best to reject that one when I see it in the wild (while tempering my anger as best I can that someone almost pulled me into their blindness), but as happened at least one time recently, it is sometimes incredibly difficult to take a third option.
-APPLE!
-ANDROID!
-APPLE!
-ANDROID!
-Symbian.
Am I doing it right?
***** Whats windows phone?
Firefox OS?
Kumail Naqvi A phone,with a Windows OS
***** Windows has a phone? lol
iOS*
Now did CGP Grey make this video due to the dress debate, because he says that it takes him forever to make a video. Or did he predict the dress debate. Or did CGP Grey start the dress debate to make this video inherently relevant. It's official, CGP Grey has become the internet, and actually controls everything we see and post. CONFIRMED.
CGP Grey IS illuminati!
Nope.
CGP Grey is really a sentient supercomputer intent on making us kill each other over the colors of a dress!
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED
I, for one, welcome our new robot CGP Grey/Illuminati overlords.
But who tf shares porn?
Meme Snack Politicians with strong family values, obviously
Non tech-savvy dads on facebook.
Furries
People on 4chan
The many youtube channels that survive on the lifeboat of steamy things.
Also, Noble, AKA LostPause. Bless that man, so funny and such a great community.
Dude that frame at 0:35 is actually horrifying I thought I was hallucinating for like a full minute.
This is actually a fascinating psychological theory.
yeah
Yea kinda I guess
A lot of math and statistics is involved too
It is actually a 'biological' (neurological/psychological) theory invented by evolotional biologist Richard Dawkins. The units are called 'memes' in analogy to genes.
is that were the term 'meme' comes from?
This guy really doesn't want to say the word "meme."
2:53
Owen Lever Thanks.
+StrontiumMercury He wants to avoid it because although what he's talking about is what "meme" was coined to mean, it has come to more commonly mean "picture with added text for lulz", and he didn't want to make people think he was *only* talking about that kind of meme.
+StrontiumMercury
wat
+StrontiumMercury This is actually a really simple explanation of what memetics are though.
0:34 ok that last frame when the virus turned to evil clowns for a brief moment really freaked the sht out of me
Glad I wasn't the only one.
I slowed it down to .25 just to double check. It was scary.
I saw it too,.
Omg how'd u spot that I completely missed it
3:03 I love how there’s only 1 CGP Germ
When you tell a joke it reproduces, and when the person you told it to tells it wrong, it's mutating...
I am now angry that the video did not make me angry.
+Salim Jbara I'M ANGRY THAT YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF! D:
+Noah Williams NOW I'M ANGRY THAT YOU'RE ANGRY DUE TO MY SELF CONTRADICTION!
Salim Jbara
STOP SHOUTING! YOU'RE MAKING ME MORE ANGRY! D:
+Noah Williams DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO! NOW I'M REALLY ANGRY!
Salim Jbara
I'M SO ANGRY I COULD JUST GO AND ARGUE ABOUT HOW ANGRY I AM!
" *Not so educational videos* "
Whatever could you mean?😂😂
@@wehatetimmy looks like the bots got to him first.
HEN.....
Your channel.
Se..
What starts with P and ends with ORN
0:06 Well, for me that also is an educational video, i'm learning a lot of stuf...
"Katanas aren't as good as many people think"
KeterSouls Ulfberht is the ultimate sword.
KeterSouls Ha! Now you've done it.
>Using swords like a scrub
Axes is where its at son.
RAGE, RAGE, RAGE, XD
"Especially against a gun."
Person A:GROUP B MAKES ME SO MAD!!!!!!!!
Person B: NO U!!!!!!
HaveAVirtualApple that’s not true,you conservative lib!
Can I Change My Name yet? DUDE SHUT THE FUCK UP
Can I Change My Name yet? IM GONNA GET ALL MY BOYS ON YOU
GROUP A? MORE LIKE GROUP GAY OLOLLOLLOOOLLOOLOLLLOPLOKLPOLLLOLLOLLIOOPOILPUGNPOLOOLOVHLGISOBUSPLLSHBWKAGKEOABSKUCTISMCGYWBHSLMAOROFLLOLJDHWKE S
Person c: wheres my popcorn?
Like that whole argument with the CLEARLY White and Gold Dress.
Blue and black!
Red and gray!
I know I'm intentionally breathing in your sneeze, but it really is blue and black.
Andrew Bulman I know it legitimately is Blue and Black but I see it as White and Gold lol
HarmonyMLG ... And to think I +1'd your comment.
Instructions unclear, i'm not angry.
I saw this video a couple months ago, and again now. This has never been so on point about what's happening on the Internet lately ...
lately? lol
"Sad thoughts don't get very far."
Billie Eilish fans: allow me to introduce myself.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
J Fast That’s because you’re not a Billie Eilish fan. Thank god 🙏🏽.
Billie Eilish appeal isn't because it's sad, but because it's cathartic.
BILLIE EILISH'S SONGS AREN'T SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The pandemic right now consists of two germs: coronavirus and panicked stupidity.
EDIT: do not go into the replies. Heed my warning...
AND THEY BOTH HAVE TOTEMS SCIENCE IN ACTION SPREAD AWE THOUGHT GERM NOW
Yeah, that's about right.
RAKSHIT KASHYAP the most virulent strain
There's now a "side-effect" virus which affects children. This is why I don't want to go to school.
-Comet__Child- it’s rare and treatable. Not a big deal
7yrs later and this video couldn't ring any more true if it wanted to. Aging like great wine.