It takes 7 diesel engines = 30,000 hp to pull a UP grain train out of Cheyenne up Sherman Hill
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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2019
- Two westbound Union Pacific trains stop at Cheyenne, WY, to change crew. While three engines suffice to pull the intermodal train, it takes seven engines with a combined 30,000 hp to pull the grain train up Sherman Hill to Utah and further to California. The grain train starts at time position 2:38 of the video.
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It took that much horsepower to pull my mother-in-law away from the All You Can Eat buffet.
Wonder how much _dynamic braking_ she generates at the doctor's office approaching a scale?
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Jeez you are brave
That’s funny, be glad she’s not Endora !!
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As a conductor, it's an FRA regulation that if more than 3 are required to pull, it must have distributed power. The last 4 locomotives in that set were idle. They might be used for dynamics if the grade gets steep, but, there is about a 98% chance they are just being taken elsewhere for various reasons. But using more than 3 locos on the head end to pull on the head end can literally rip the train apart. I've seen this first hand.
Thanks! I wondered why they were not distributed.
Bunch of empty hoppers...get real.
Seen his all the time at Roseville yard….
I wondered about that. If all locos were operating, the strain on the last loco's coupling would be unbelievable.
It’s not FRA, it’s a railroad rule. But, the last 4 locos in the lead consist were offline. I worked for the BNSF and many times on certain trains we had 4 or 5 units online and it’s totally legal.
If you watch the video again and listen closely, the last 3 locomotives were offline (or idle). In actuality, the train was being pulled by the first 4 locomotives only. If locos are needed elsewhere on the railroad, it's not unusual for them to hitch a ride on a train to their destination. It saves the railroad the expense of having to pay a crew to drive the locos as light power to their destination. It also saves the dispatchers the headache of having to route traffic on the line around the light power move.
I've heard of this before, certainly makes sense. I wonder if a single UP Big Boy steamer or a C&O Allegheny might be able to do the job?
Thank you for the info! Some of the RR experts who post on here get very technical and hard to follow. I appreciate the simple explanation.
Maybe the last three weren't on line because they weren't going up the hill at that point.
They probably aren’t needed until the grade, then they get fired up and help brake down the other side? It’s costly to have them running for no reason.. be my guess anyway
@Charles Richter the first 4 engines were the only ones running ,, this was also a train of empty cars if it was a loaded train there would have been a lot less racket ,,and if you watched the cars you would have seen that the springs in the trucks were not compressed ,,if this had been a loaded train the extra engines would have been at the rear for helper pushing to lessen the strain on the cars and to increase the speed of brake activation
I was up in Cheyenne last fall and saw two super long trains approach each other on a curve at a pretty good clip. With the endless horizon, the powder blue sky meeting the toasted buck brown earth was a truly amazing experience.
There must be a time zone difference between the first loco and the last car... Massive train. Thanks for the video!
I timed it.......5 mins 32 seconds!!
Then you haven't seen the Australian version
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Awesome train video my friend. Great job. Greetings Joe 😊
The Union Pacific "Big Boys" had a power capacity of more than 7,000 horsepower (depending on the type of coal used) and were designed primarily to handle heavy freight traffic and could haul a 3,800-ton train (120 cars)unassisted up the Wasatch Mountains where trains faced a continuous grade of 1.55 percent on a stretch of track east of Ogden, Utah at 40mph. Pulling freight on level track, it could achieve a speed of 70 miles per hour.
The Big Boy steam locomotives weighed more than one million pounds and were 132 feet, 9 inches long. Each one cost approximately $265,000 in the early 1940’s to build, or about $5.6 million in today's money. Twenty-five Big Boys were built exclusively for Union Pacific Railroad, the first of which was delivered in 1941.
I heard 6295 hp drawbar. qt 35 mph, likely more at higher speed like all steam locos do. Niagaras at speed for example were rated at 5000 or so, but made 6600+ in the cylinders. Best steam locomotives ever made, aside from the Hudsons (without those stupid fairings)
Legend has it the bell is still ringing.
I watched one go through our neighborhood crossing Thursday i believe, with TEN mixed facing locos (most i've ever seen in a continuous string), at the forward travelling end, and ONE at the other end, forward facing. Counted it at a 120+ car train, a few boxes and open top carriers, but lots of the big, standard tankers.
Loaded & HEAVY.
I counted 159 wagons, that was a very long train. It sounded that 3 of the 7 engines were actually doing the work. Great video.
Wagons??
@@timothygeiger8271 that’s what he said. Confused?
I knew what he was talking about , didn't you?
@@pbear6251 if you bothered to read my comment, you would clearly see i knew what he was talking about.
They are NOT called wagons, never have been.
Back before they had the electronic rear end device, the end car of a train was called a caboose, the locomotives propel the train & everything in between the two are called cars!!
There are different cars for a specific kind of freight. Hopper bottom cars to haul grain, & other dry freight, box cars for palletized bulk freight, tanker cars for liquid freight & animal fat, there are cars specifically for hauling new automobiles, & flat cars for that type. I left out other kinds of cars, but i made my point.
@@timothygeiger8271 Wagons in Europe...
Thank you for this video I look forward to seeing more
Love watching theses videos .
Thanks rail fans .
I spent seven years in pool service as a locomotive engineer on the Cascade subdivision late '80s early 90s the big Power then was sd40s and sd45s I did get to run some of the dash nines but I use those primarily between Seattle and Portland much better paying rent easier work can't imagine what the future power will be but it'll be big enjoyed every minute of it
Hint do not dictate two comments better to print them out however I'm blind
I also spent 18 years in Saudi Arabia 1980 to 1997 as locomotive mechanic . Now i have my own work shop for cranes and road construction machinery.
3 diesel engines ＋ very longest freight trains. 7 diesel engines ＋ very longest freight trains. Amazing video !! 😉👍️✨
This is clearly a general manifest train with 7 engines. Only 3 of them were actually running however. I see by some of the comments below we are on the same page. Great video though. I have always been in awe of the freight train.
There's a video of the mighty Challenger pulling 143 fully loaded c ars up Sherman Hill without diesel assist at 35 m.p.h !! It was impressive as hell !!.
Wow! I'd love to see that.
That was around 7,000 tons so it’s not that big of a deal.
No way thats only 50 tons per car and the car itself weighs 20-30.. leaving only 20 tons or 40kip, half the max allowable weight of a semi. I heard someone say 17,000 tons, but that seems a bit too heavy, but 7000 for 143 cars is light. If it's true it means those containers were half full or less... which is possible...
Most impressive Video. Good detail & excellent shot.
Great filming, thanks 😊
It's been a long time since I visited my old stomping grounds in Oregon and Washington. I went back a few years ago and the formerly diversified cropland had nothing but wheat, wheat, wheat. The barges on the Columbia were shipping nothing but wheat. Now I've got some idea of how this has affected the transport system. Good show.
Hobo Shoestring would’ve loved that one! There were a few “Cadillac Grainers” in that one! 😂
Those are soda ash cars
Cool UP trains! Lots of power!
What is it about a train rolling by that gets my attention EVERY time????❤
Great video. i have been in Cheyenne three different times doing video's. Great place. I also just subscribed to your channel.
Wow! Great video
I am lucky enough to live close to the main line east of town, I sit and watch these trains all the time
Yes you are.
Been out there…looks like video shot from Accomplice Beer Company, old Cheyenne Depot
Great video thanks for sharing.
It's a slow low priority manifest train. Whoever said it was a grain train never worked on the railroad. I rode trains like that for 40 years. The train is made up in the North Platte forwarder yard. Just remember you can't spell stUPid without UP. The railroad isn't run my the management it runs in spite of the management!!
The presence of so many locomotives doesn't mean that all are being used, some of them are just being returned for their next transport.
Omg, 159 cars and 7n
locomotives? Nice! Thx!
Wonderful sound ... meditative ...
I counted at least 7 freight cars in need of wheel maintenance. BNSF runs a lot of grain consists, 170 grain cars, usually engined 2,1,2. 2 in front, one in middle, and 2 on the tail end, although sometimes 2,1,1 (empties going the other way?). Not Sherman hill, but a grade. Have fun
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I'm from Rawlins Wyoming, seen many of trains straggling up the east side of Sherman
Very cool Rail on my friend.
Nice UP catches!
I'm a tram and I approve this video!!!!
All 7 locomotives, were NOT ONLINE. The UP 8690 was isolated, UP 5852 was working, UP 5962, 8010 & 7900 were isolated, and UP 8715 I believe was online.
If a flip to record the consist as it was departing, the exhaust could be seen on all the working locomotives.
Per Special Instructions of the timetable, under Tonnage Per Locomotive Power, for the territory, the Engineer could not have that many power units pulling online, without risking damage to the rails. That's why the power units were spaced behind the lead locomotive, and 3 locomotives, were sufficient power to pull the train over the territory.
Also, that was an empty grain train. If you look at the wheel sets, the springs are not compressed like a loaded car would be, the train picked up it's speed early, then a fully loaded train would, DPU power would be needed on a loaded grain train to make it over Sherman Hill.
I'm in what used to be CNW territory. When I first saw the new C44CWs I couldn't believe my eyes. Actually talked to one of the train crew and he said they had to run the train from one of the other engines an SD40-2 because they weren't trained on the new locos yet. Then came the AC4400s. Then UP bought CNW. For awhile you still saw the CNW lightning bolt paint. Miss the CNW and I am old enough to remember the 400s. They were still using those engines in the 70s but for freight. Used to run to the nearby gates to watch trains roll by. Taconite, coal, grain, syrup, you name it, it rolled through on the double track main in Racine,WI.
I lived on the interlocking between the C&NW and EJ&E on the NW commuter corridor in Barrington. I still love the color scheme and have ever been a fan of E Units. I remember old heavyweight lounge cars at the front of a string of St Louis Car bi-levels doing 90+ on the triple track out of town.
Holy shit man...!! That was sweet to see and hear... American trains are just Beasts.... Blown away to see 40 foot containers stacked on each other, and also truck trailers on flatbed wagons... I'm in New Zealand, nothing like that tonnage here... I saw a clip of cabooses the other day... Funny, we call them Guards Vans... None have run on the network for around 30 years or so...
Cool video and channel just subscribed
Common practice among all railroads is to limit the driven axles on the head end to 18(3 six axle locomotives) to protect the couplings of the cars. 7 engines were not required or the extra 4 would be distributed power(2 mid-train, 2 end train). My conclusion is most of those cars were empty. I have seen many UP loaded grain trains in central Oklahoma with 3 up front, 2 in the middle and 2 in the rear.
It just seems a bit strange that empties are headed westbound. There's not much grain to haul west of Cheyenne. Maybe going out to the coast to pick up some of that Chinese cement.
Yeah i was gonna say, wheres the spacing? Protect the couplers
Depending on the specific type of train, the maximum number of 6 axle locomotives on the head end is actually 5, or 6 for solid intermodal, and fewer if there is also DP. I don't know of any railroads that limit conventional head end power to 3 locomotives other than in very specific instances on certain territories listed in their timetables. For example, at my railroad, there is a turnout from my railroad onto the UP that limits us to no more than 2 locomotives online to traverse that curve, but that's to prevent a stringline derailment, not protect couplers. Once we clear the junction we can put maximum scheduled power back online.
We have near same here cprail.when leave calgary to vancouver with grain or potash lots Black smoke off on downtown calgary.we have huge hill with macdonald tunnel huge task.cn edmonton too big trains to vancouver or prince rupert grain car.the winter is hell due snow slide yup.i saw one time very bad.thank video😊
Not sure if it's the same railway line, but there is a line running parallel with the I80 in Cheyenne which has railway line crossings at intervals. If you need to cross the railway line while a train passes, you will be there for a long time.
Good video.
I thought it a bit unusual for all 7 locomotives at the front of the train, and not have a couple in the middle and possibly a couple at the rear.
Trains empty, and not all 7 units were online. So, it's no big deal.
Conté 5 locomotoras . 162 vagones .buen video .
Dónde es y para donde viajan los 2 trenes . Gracias
Seven locomotives pulling Sherman Hill would exceed the drawbar forces and train would break a knuckle or drawbar. Coupler limits are 350000 lbs. Also, horsepower is only small part of the equation. You need to know the tractive effort of each locomotive, grade of track and coupler forces. More Science to properly powering trains than just diesel locomotives.
But Coach... try doing all that without the diesel locomotives! Science ain't worth a damn without that brute force. ;)
@@mfgc2610 agree that power is needed, what is critical is the tractive effort must be in the correct place in the train. Putting that much power on the head with that much tonnage, the train will break in two before reaching the summit. I’ve only railroaded 42 years.
@@coachbb899 they musta known what they were doing cause the train pulled out with only 4 engines pulling an empty train ,,i've never worked on a railroad but i have been around enough trains in the last 30 years to know when they are loaded or empty and what they look and sound like in every possible configuration
Hey mister smarty pants. Locomotive engines are factually electric. The diesel only powers the generator.
@@cz1mmt You are correct, one fact of Physics you can’t have more electric power than mechanical power, internal combustion engine, solar, wind, hydro or other.
My point is horsepower don’t mean anything without tractive effort. 3000 hp GP 40 can’t pull sand tonnage as SD 40
How do you leave Cheyenne and go up Sherman Hill. Sherman Hill is west of Cheyenne and goes down into Laramie. I’ve trucked it many times.
For engines, 2, 3 and perhaps 4 - that are running / pulling - what type of crew would ok those non leading engines?
Per Parry Chapman, I wonder if some of the power in the first engines is just used to power the traction motors of the non-running engines ? like a slug ? ?
And can someone explain the forces on the couplings and pins ? there must be oversized pins on some of these cars ? ?
The front 3 or 4 locomotives are actually doing the pulling. The rest aren't doing anything at all. They are just along for the ride en route to another yard somewhere else where they are needed. The couplings in general can withstand about 390,000lbf, maybe more if they are "high capacity" couplings. Each of the leading units can probably produce about 180,000lbf, but the engineer doesn't apply all that power at once. He advances the throttle notch by notch, and as he gets faster the locomotives' tractive effort naturally begins to drop off so as long as the driver is careful and manages his in-train forces once he's either at track speed or at full throttle, whichever comes first, he should have a good balance of force that's enough to keep the train moving without snapping a coupler.
nice! can you make video inside the cabin this locomotive&
8m 50s watching a train go by. back to watching pain dry, just cant stand the excitement
Hi that was amazing. i counted 159 bogies and i dont know whether they were full or empty but that is some weight.
I agree with 1: there were only 4 power units on line 2: the cars are mostly empties because 3; I noticed the train sure picked up speed quickly as it departed.
How do you tell if a power unit is on line?
@@walterburger5281 look at the smoke and see if anythings coming out
Likely true, mostly empties as a train that long would usually have a helper at the rear or even in the center. It's not always the power necessary to pull these long trains but relieving the strain on the couplers. They've been known to actually pull the drawbars right out of a car to the front of a train.
I’d think that once it got moving it’d be easier to pickup speed
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I see many have written the same I was going to. Off course I thought I might be wrong, but I hear that only the 3 firts engines are pulling (maybe 4). It would also be strange move to put 7 locos pulling all in front if consist were that heavy. More logical would have been set some of them as DPUs, like 3/4 in front, another 3/2 in the middle and 1/2 at the end. With all the power in front there would be couplings in serious danger...
Nice catching
This is really something too see
I saw a video of a train with around 50 engines. Nothing else. They were just parking them somewhere in Nevada. I wonder how many were under power.
It's a shame you don't see a caboose on cargo trains anymore....Or, Very Rarely...Nice upload and BEAST engine hookups!
I always wonder what happened to the caboose . I saw a caboose in Kentucky that had been converted into a bar.
Maybe not interesting to many train enthusiasts but years ago in the little village of Merna, Nebraska the local druggist (now called a pharmacist) had a caboose in his back yard. Arthur Gordon was his name and he had a wooden leg, the result of an accident when he was employed by the railroad. None of us kids in town were allowed to go in the caboose but we would peek through the tall wooden fence he had built around it. Rumor was he had quite a gun collection. He and his wife Pearl never had any children. Wonder where the caboose and guns were taken to after they died.
159 vagones de carga y 7? Locomotoras esperaba más vagones jejejeje muy buen video..
Growing up in Chicago were there's one of the bigger switching yards in a major city, I've always wondered why on large freight trains, they always seem to have a locomotive in a reverse position between other locomotives compared to a passenger train have the locomotives facing the same direction! I guess its the weight?
If all the engines were needed for that move would the crew but two engines in middle n two in back ??
Why all four up front. most of the long have trains I have seen has the engines spread out along the train?
I've always wondered how the pulling strain of all locos on the head end would be to the first knuckle.behind the last head end loco.
There are limits to how much drawbar horsepower and/or tractive effort a drawbar can withstand. It can vary by knuckle type but it is generally around 300,000lbs of tractive effort - give or take.
I counted 164 cargo cars 👍👍awesome
Going by the bolster heights, we’re the hoppers empty?
can i ask when more than one engine is hooked is there only one driver or is each engine have a driver. just asking like trucking old convoy days
What's the weight rating of a hitch on a train?
A whole lot!!
So, how much would the entire moving load weigh if you could put it on a scale?
In both train consists, the third engine had a lot of smoke coming out of its stack! 👍🏻
That means it is actually working not idling.
What percent grade is Sherman Hill?
How big do you think the steering wheels are in those locomotives?
149 cars is no joke, moving that kind of weight from a standstill is like having to jump-start a dead planet.
you say it is a grain train , but with them liquid tankers mixed in it doesn't that make it a manifest and thus not just grain ?
If you look closely at the springs you will see, those hoppers are empty.
They are probably empty Soda Ash cars going to Green River, WY to the Trona mines.
Coming east, after loading, all seven locomotives will be powered up.
We get our salt cars from SLC some could have been our salt cars heading back.
At maximum speed how many miles do you need to bring it to a stop?
You never see such long freight trains in Europe. My question is: is there only one operator to drive the multiple locos and how is the power managed between the locos?
The first 3 or 4 engines are MU'd togther and controlled by the first engine's throttle and brakes.
You caught me with that one................Levaing?
Does every engine have a crew on it? ? Or are they linked together electronically? ?
How long you think the train was
Sometimes they add locoMotives in the rear for more air for the brakes
if the train was that heavy i would think as elvin said that the locos would be spread through the train to help the couplings we had that problem back in the 30s in new zealand with some beyer garrett steam locomotives that were too powerful and at times tore the couplings out of wagons wonder how many big boys too do the job
In the long railroads od thé USA, Austrálie and Africa IT Is normal. When in those Linea come ONLY one train on the week, that Is O.K. But fór thé often connecting by trains will good to built electric trolley system, Wich van concentrated more power in everyone locomotive. But that unsual using Is Věry originally!! Thank you from the Czechia!
WOW... Do you know how many cars and the total tonnage?
Why are some of the engines facing backwards?
How long is that train 1/4 mile?
No pusher or was the train empty?
159 cars plus 7 engines... wow !!
Surprised 7 locos on point…
Surely best to run 3 units on point, 2 units DPU, and 2 pusher units on the tail. Will help dynamic brake efficiency on the following downgrade after cresting Sherman Hill Summit. Also will lessen the load on the lead knuckle coupler by distributing the power over the whole length of the train.
the answer is it was an empty train ,, DPU/Pushers weren't needed
👏👏👏👏 show !!
Grain train??? I saw tankers, boxcars and covered hopper cars. I think some of those locomotives were being transferred.
This is what I call carrying the freight
About 150 cars without intermediate or end diversified power. Maybe many empties and not that heavy. Like other commenter said, some locomotives sound like they are at idle. Still fun to watch and think about. Thanks for sharing.
You mean Distributive Power?
@@toddgittins5692 What are you some kind of racist ? He said diversified Power.
So many fuckin' experts on here. Outside its america!
going to Ogden?
Given the double stacked waggons and number of units - not unexpected!
Couldn't tell for sure, but didn't sound like all 7 were running. Probably wait till they get closer to the hill to have all of them running?
The crew will have them all configured how they want to run them at the beginning of the trip, throughout the entire trip. There are horsepower and dynamic braking limitations. At my railroad, conventional manifest trains (meaning there's no DP), are limited to no more than 5 engines online for power, and no more than 3 for dynamic braking if there are cars less than 100 tons too close to the head end. If there are enough cars over 100 tons on the head end, then we can use 4 engines for dynamic braking. But we will not stop the train at the grade to put more online, unless we forgot to do that at the beginning of the trip haha
I just drove through Cheyenne in a 75,000 lbs 18 wheeler and the mountains do slow you down.
Approx 40% of these wagons have “ flats “ does no one release the hand brakes ?