People keep saying "this should happen"/"this shouldn't happen" as if reality cares about what we think it should/shouldn't be. Ultimately, people can only really decide how they deal with the reality that is actually there.
Just need some patience for Starship to become common place like the Falcon 9. Development is tough, but the outcome should shock the industry much like the reusable first stage. When each flight is so cheap, sponsored events will be common place.
Looks more like meazawa is feeling the current financial climate otherwise he would jave just extended or if he has a problem with SpaceX gone to another launch company
He could just wait until Starship actually lands on the Moon several times for NASA, by then the price should be cheaper for way better experience than just going around the Moon.
how starship got accepted as a HLS concept is beyond me, anyone with room temp IQ could tell you it won't work, how will they get out of the fucking thing lol
SpaceX after all these years is the only US certified human launch provider. Even if the Starliner test is successful this month it has more work to be certified. Then the issues is Atlas 5 is now obsolete, If Boeing have any future plans Starliner would then require updates to fly on another rocket. Edit: The only human US rated rocket in production is the Falcon 9
Don't feel bad for telling it like it is AA, people see some slick production on a promo vehicle and basically think they are there. It took the gold and toil of a nation. At the time the richest nation and a decade or more of build up. If we don't get our act together and get serious about this endeavor, we will be watching China plant their flag and left wondering what could have been...
and if you haste things beyond safety, then SpaceX will try to land on the moon and simply tip over everybody dies and you will have the first dead humans on the moon
Seriousness would require pulling out some tried and true old tech and getting humans back, on the backs of our grandparents first, just to prove we are still half or better the nation that we were back then.
I miss the Alpaca lander. It was the best choice. Tim and the others got to live a while thinking they would actually go. This is disappointing, but at least they got that experience for a while
Yusaku Maezawa's wish to go to the Moon when it was announced, is on par with someone wanting to go from New York to Paris in 1903 after seeing the first photo of the Wright Flyer the day after the first flight. The flight happened, in 1927, and that was a solo flight. When will Starship see the Moon from orbit? I don't know, but the future has a way of being interesting...
Starship will never land on the moon. It’s by far the most inefficient space vehicle in history, and will bankrupt spacex long before it’s ready to be functional
The first flight across the Atlantic happened by seaplane in 1919 by seaplane. It made 53 stops by landing in the ocean & refueling by ships. The first nonstop flight was a few weeks later by two Brits flying between then British owned Newfoundland to British owned Ireland.
if Yusaku put his money on China, he would probably get his flight earlier. I am certain now that China will make it lunar orbit flight this decade. Starship could reach the moon, but the cost and time require to realise that would be longer than the Chinese solution. originally I thought NASA was ahead with the Orion, but it seem the orion is too heavy, and NASA "cheated" by using a more aggressive trajectory that has more development risk. now NASA has to spend time hotfixing the issue, if they have just reduce the Orion size by a tiny bit. US would easily be ahead of China. sometime it not good to be too "greedy" on wanting to be bigger and better... if NASA was building a brand new rocket it would not be a problem, but they are basically using shuttle parts, that limits what they could do with it, they should have work the problem backward rather than to design their "dream" spacecraft.
I mean... Musk literally did say starship would already be on Mars, with crew, by now. I actually auditioned for the dear moon "program". The video is on my channel here. Never been more excited to lose a competition in my life. Starship ain't it. It's highly impractical and that's without even getting into the "bellyflop" and catching rockets out of mid-air using hydraulically actuated "chopsticks". There's zero flight-abort hardware. Anything goes wrong at any stage of the flight and you're dead. Period.
All the acolytes are desperate to pretend the fundamental problems with this design don't exist, or that Elon will magically engineer them out of existence. You are right, Starship ain't it.
I been watching your show for years and at the beginning I really thought that you were an amateur. How ever over the years I’ve watched your become one of the most honest and in my opinion one of the most accurate and realistic reporter. Good job.
I would not sign up to participate in a propulsive landing with StarShip. They have had one successful landing from a few km altitude. Don't know why this isn't being tested over and over and over since it will be critical for man-rating StarShip. Even for cargo you don't get the ship back if you don't stick the landing which means you can't reuse it. The other thing is they haven't been able to make it through re-entry just from LEO which is 27,000 kph. A return from the moon would be 40,000 kph and kinetic energy goes up with the square of velocity !! This means they would have to absorb over 2x the heat as a LEO re-entry.
The HLS moon Lander does not return to earth nore is it crewed from earth, crews board and leave it in lunar orbit via the Orion capsule/gateway. I do also believe that there is meant to be an uncrewed demo of a lunar landing before they will allow an attempt with crew, it is wise to remember that there is always going to be inherent risk of failure in trying to land humans on the moon, Apollo was done with zero demos outside of simulator practice. You are however correct in pointing out that they need to work out earth re-entry and propulsive landing to make the uncrewed tanker flights viable as well as in orbit refuelling, those are tough tasks that will no doubt take another number of years to be confident in.
@@tenfolder I never said it did. #dearMoon, however, was a manned Lunar flyby mission with return to Earth at 40,000 kph. Would you sign up for propulsive landing on StarShip ?
@@dionysus2006 My thoughts exactly. Compared with coming down under parachutes, or even landing on a runway, a propulsive landing where you get caught by the chopsticks of the launch tower just seems... risky. I mean, basically, if more than a few of the engines fail, you die, right? With the Apollo lunar landers (so far the only human spacecraft to do a propulsive landing), if you had a problem with the descent engines, you could abort to lunar orbit, but if you're on a crewed Starship returning to Earth (as with Dear Moon), I'm thinking there is no abort option if you have engine problems on the way down. You just all die. So I could imagine needing a huge amount of successful unmanned landings before it becomes reliable enough to put crew on board.
Elon said himself that he wouldn't land with people aboard untim they've had hundreds of successful unmanned landings. Dear Moon would have the passengers launch and land in Dragon capsules.
@@Hedgehobbit No, the plan was to use Starship for the entire mission. This means that Starship would need to fly dozens to hundreds of times prior to dearMoon happening.
Certainly not everyone in 2022. I was a skeptic from the beginning when it was first announced, but mainly because while I think Starship has the potential to revolutionize space travel, I never believed Starship will ever be safe as an Earth launch and reentry vehicle compared to other vehicles. Believe me that wasn't a popular opinion to have in 2022, and still isn't for the most part. And that's just for a lowly online commenter like myself, it was even more bold to say that in 2022 while trying to build an audience among space enthusiasts who at the time believed that no way Starship won't soon be launching people to space and to the Moon. More people are a lot more realistic now about how long all of this is going to take.
@@StevePemberton2 Well, I struggled through your tortured syntax and I think I know what you're trying to say. My point was that this project was never going to happen in the time frame the Japanese guy was hoping for. And I, among others predicted that he would bail at some point.
@@pakviroti3616 Okay but you never said when you first thought this and why. Saying "I knew this was going to happen" is a fine thing but it takes a few more words than that to explain why you had that opinion.
@@StevePemberton2 Firstly, the original comment was more rhetorical than anything else. Secondly, it was beyond obvious to anyone that has watched Elon and SpaceX over the years. New systems like Starship take a much longer time to develop than the overly optimistic window this project was expected to take place in. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that, you just need to be able to think and evaluate the facts in evidence.
@@pakviroti3616 That makes sense. But it has been surprising how many people thought Starship was going to start carrying people and going to the Moon within the timeframes Elon said. Sure they realized it might take a little longer but a lot of people said five years max and if you tried to tell them it's going to take a decade or longer they said no way. It was really hard at the time to say anything against the hype of Dear Moon especially after the crew was announced, which was my point that it was bold in 2022 to say that in a video no matter how obvious it may have seemed there were a lot of people that bought into it and Jordan was one of the early voices calling it BS. Now that everyone can see the difficulties just getting either the booster or ship to make it as far as even just a soft landing in the water sure it's now obvious to everyone that Dear Moon would be far in the future. But in 2022 most people still bought into Elon's hype about it happening soon.
Yes and Dear Moon was the first private Lunar flight, not the only one booked....So bad day for Maezawa, Tim Dodd and the rest of the crew, but not really as significant for anyone else.
I met Tim after work one day and he is such a sincere guy. He spent an amazing amount of time with me. Such a wonderful human and champion of space tech and exploration. He is the “best of us” I still pray his dream to make it to the moon happens! 👍🏾
Why aren't they looking at several launches of Falcon Heavy to do the job? STS and Starship look a ways off. Falcon Heavy is here and now. Why couldnt they modifiy it to make a more scaled back approach to the moon landing?
Falcon Heavy could do a moon shot, but they would expend all three boosters, or at least that's what Elon said years ago, all depending on the mission object weight, mass etc.. and Dragon modifications,
FH isn't human rated, Dragon isn't rated for returning from moon. There is not market for that launch, so spending bilion or two for all necessary aprovals, modifications and tests without customer. IF NASA would be interested in alternative for orion, probably it would not take long to do it, but NASA is stuck with SLS/Orion senate contracts. Starship is different as it got MULTIPLE useage from getgo, and there are already potential customers that would be interested in starship capabilities.
@@f.w.1318 The idea of 100% reusability is the fantasy dream that became the nightmare that is Starship!! The idea of 100% reusability sounds nice, but it is ridiculously complicated and the obsession to achieve it created Stashp monster! It just isn't remotely practical and a lot of people are finally waking up to that fact. I think they need to relook Artemus. It might be worth trying to salvage Gateway using SLS, Falcon Heavy and probably Vulcan. Do some landings using Orion Maybe develop some unmanned polar missions commanded from Gateway, They could probably do some concept missions like making fuel on the moon. There may be some worthwhile small scale options. Tesla may collapse in a couple years and maybe Elon should focus on that. .But he has taken Tesla and Spacex both down a road that looks like one-way trips to nowhere and it's truly questionable what can be salvaged. At some point you need to stop throwing good money after bad. I don't have the answer. I was 16 when we landed on the Moon 55 year ago. I wanted to see it again, but it isn't looking too promising.
It makes no sense giving the workers more time than needed. You see Boeing and the others. Leave them time to rest and they'll take five times more. Give a short schedule, but the devil is in the details. Still gets more done than the rest. The trick is not to push too hard. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
The prospect of Starship EVER being human-rated will require a specifically designed version. NASA and the FAA will never sign off on launching humans from Earth strapped to seats INSIDE the second stage of a huge rocket, directly on top of the giant fuel tanks, with no ejection pods or separating crew capsule for abort modes. They learned their lesson on the Space Shuttle. Keep in mind that the fuel tanks of Starship are so huge, it probably has a similar explosive power to the second stage of the Saturn V!
Will Yusaku get his money back? It was a donation wasnt it? Im surprised he would want to cancel the mission given how he had given all that money to SpaceX. We all knew it was going to be a number of years away at the time.
@@ryanab01 I have , thats the problem.. Artemis is now estimated to land humans 3 yrs later than planned, expecting less delays in the future is silly.
@@ryanab01 yep.. I think a lot will change and with that will come delays.. Gateway alone could take a decade, so I just dont see humans physically on the moon till 2030-2033.
File this beside "Mars 1". A project where Space X was contracted to establish a Mars colony be launching numerous Dragon V-1 spacecraft modified into habitat modules. Colonists launching atop a Falcon Heavy with a Dragon V-1 and ferry module would send a crew on a one way suicide mission to Mars
A cool idea which sparked the imagination ! But with civilians with no experience quiet dangerous. Why not add a new mission (lunar) to the Polaris program, Jared Isaacman 💪.
You can only determine whether they are faster after they succeed. Until then they are just burning through investor dollars in a more spectacular fashion.
@@Pushing_Pixels It's not uncommon for aerospace companies to recruit from NASA. And SpaceX is the sharp end of the sword, that's where all the cool stuff is happening and that is where many of the most skilled employees go, if they leave NASA.
@@kurknielsen Look, no one in the aerospace business has suggested that Kathy Lueders acted in any way disloyal to NASA. Not even Blue Origin. These claims have been cooked up by rabid Musk haters.
For propaganda purposes it was wonderful for SpaceX to have orgasms everytime their rockets exploded, I'm so old I remember that wasn't the case in the 1960s when early failures threatened the entire moon mission. I have never loved liars so I don't love my least favorite billionaire.
Elon Musk's optimistic timelines give him and his team a goal to shoot for unlike Bezos' B.O.'s open -ended timeline which does not give his team any goal to shoot for. Each of their team's accomplishments have shown Starship has the best chance of achieving their stated goals...
Not really. Elon's timelines aren't so much optimistic as brazenly dishonest. They are about drumming up public interest and pulling investors, but do nothing to inspire anyone who actually works on the projects. Probably the opposite, since they end up looking bad when they are inevitably "late".
It probably would've been wiser to just delay the thing for a few years instead of outright canceling the whole thing and ditching the crew that was promised to fly. Hopefully they revisit this project once starship is a proven, reliable rocket.
I agree with much of what you said up until the comparisons between Dear moon and Artemis without mentioning that the mission objectives and parameters are completely different. Artemis starship doesn't need to re-enter the earth's atmosphere, belly flop, and then decelerate under earth's gravitational influence. Artemis also only has to support two crew (meaning life support could be largely inherited from dragon). Therefore the cancellation of one does not spell doom for the other as the missions cannot be legitimately compared in this way. Regarding the influence of Billionaires comment I just don't think taking two examples warrants cause for concern especially since one of them has a proven track record and is saving NASA literally billions of dollars in development. I think with Blue Origin they are just hoping in a similar result - time will tell if it comes.
I have an angry rant about lunar starship: Lunar regolith is loose and uncompacted. The Apollo rovers tires sank into it more than tires do on desert sand. The Apollo landers had a low ratio between the height of their center of mass and the with of the landing legs. Looks like 1 to 1. The probability of safely landing a starship on regolith with a center of mass 90 feet above the surface would likely require a prepared landing pad to accommodate land gear over 90 feet wide. They would be better off transporting a lightweight landing module to ferry supplies to build the landing pad for starship.
It's not as challenging as some people make it out to be. As long as the horizontal velocity is zeroed out, as would happen during a nominal descent, you don't need massive landing legs. And the center of gravity is low enough that it should handle a 10-20 degree incline.
Starship has a very low center of mass. Both because of its propellants and the engines. They both weigh a lot. The Cargo would be stored somewhere in the middle so that wouldn't push the center of mass too much higher. Starship also won't just instantly cut off the landing engines if it doesn't detect itself to have stopped moving. The legs will also likely be extendable and retractable meaning one leg can be longer than the others so it can ensure the ship is upright. And lastly, the astronauts will likely strap the ship down after landing. Put some anchors into the bedrock below the regolith and tie them up there
@@SpaceAdvocate Just modeling starship and tanks as cylinders, dry CG is ~28.5m from base. Without legs, it can handle anything less than 9 deg tilt. With legs extending out 3.5m, it can handle anything less than 15 deg. They won't be delivering 100mT on the first trip, so the main CG shift is from remaining prop. If they land with 66mT LOX and LCH4 19mT, CG ~19m. Without legs, stable
The Apollo rovers had sparse wire-mesh treads. The LEM, with wide pads, did not sink as far down as the rover. Also, the rover kicked up such a rooster tail of regolith that the astronauts had to tape cardboard shields over the wheels, meaning the rover was moving material out of the tire tracks.
It’s true, yet the progress doesn’t seem that slow considering the outrageous goals. And certainly moving faster than most NASA projects of this calibre.
It's sad to hear this news. I wonder if Maezawa will restore the project when Starship is operational? I'm feeling sorry for Tim Dodd and other DearMoon astronauts. This awaiting the Starship becoming operational for me is the same as pending the war's end against my country. I'm waiting for both. And figuring out what else to do to bring this war to an end.
starship is never going to be operational for moon missions, it sucks for that, at best it is going to be very good at putting up starlink sats, and thats about it
Told you so when you started the channel, and I did get a lot of negative critics from others back then... But NASA or any other US company will not reach the moon before 2032 at least... And there is no shame in that, because manned space travel is just f*cking difficult.
Feel bad for Tim, he has more passion for space than the other chosen passengers combined...and deserves to go. I don't feel bad for the rest of the elites that were going to fly on this vanity project. No normal person, regardless of passion...was ever going to be chosen.
😊 I didn't believe they would get it done this fast either. But Elon did, the problem was the FAA keeps delaying them so much. We're talking about at least 3 years of delays. If they had that time back they would be much farther along. Good job FAA! Doing your bureaucratic job like usual.
So you're saying Elon and SpaceX should be exempt from following the law? Just because you've bought into his wild claims? Maybe the FAA should stop investigating incidents with Boeing passenger planes too, so they don't inconvenience Boeing?
Justin - I think this is a right decision, even a good decision by Yusaku Maezawa, since it acknowledges that Starship isn't and won't be ready any time soon and it removes a potential distraction from that. So, Go Moon! Go SpaceX!
@@aprilpower1158 perhaps for the same reason that Iran will pretend that they weren't attacked in order to avoid having to retaliate and escalate tensions. Sometimes a lie agreed upon is the most reasonable choice. (i'm not saying moon landing was fake)
3000? It was over 500,000 people working during the Apollo era. Don't forget it was a bi-partisan government push to beat the Soviets along with the general public and cost over $260 billion in 2024 value.
Here we go. We were in a race with the Soviet Union. They were closely watching us as we were watching them. They would have LOVED to embarss the US if they even thought we were faking. We would have been humiliated in front of the world. They closely monitored every Apollo flight. The fact that we beat them is a testament to our engineers of that era. The goal was merely to land and get back safely.
All through history, Art has influenced culture. Art is what defines us as human and Art is a reflection of humanity. Without artists architecture we would still be in the middle ages. If I had the chance as an artist, a musician to go to the moon I would definitely go. Artists have a unique perspective on the world around them. A ‘good’ artist interpret reality in their own way. Anyone can take a photograph, but if you had someone like Van Gogh up there painting what they saw… that would be truly inspiring.
Yeah yeah, artists trying to put themselves in the most important position of humanity, while the truth is, without scientists and engineers who are the most motivated to figure out what why how, you ain't going anywhere. Without farmers workers human won't survive, without army and firefighters we will be in danger... It is not the artists who built the architectures, it is the engineers, who know what forms can be built to what extent. Yes anyone can take a photo, but most don't understand what photography really means not to mention taking a real good one. If you are really into art, you understand it can be any forms, and painting isn't necessarily better than others
@@ssszzz8824 art is truly what defines us. The very first scientist and philosophers were considered artists. Art has a connection to human compassion and without it you cannot spread it the light of consciousness. And I standby ‘anyone can take a photograph’ but put that camera into the hand of an artist…
The next cancelation for SpaceX will be Lunar Starship. NASA will eventually lose patience over Starship's (lack of) progress and the inability for Starship to ever achieve rapid turnaround for the 16 or so refueling flights. (Both pad, spacecraft, and fuel supply). All it will take is one severe Starship test flight setback for NASA to give up, cancel Starship, and move on with Artemus without it.
I always thought that the Dear Moon project was too ambitious to be accomplished by the time stated. Starship is still a very long way from even sending humans into low earth orbit. If the current rate of starship flights (3-4 months), its going to be years and years before heading to the moon. After Flight 4, it's going to take another 3-4 months before flight 5, then another 3-4 months after that. Personally, I think 2030 is too optimistic.
With enough funding anything is possible. They’ve already proven the booster is capable of getting Starship to orbit. Perfecting the orbiter shouldn’t be that difficult considering the amount of time humans have spent in space. There has been continuous habitation on ISS for decades.
Except it's Lunar Starship HLS that's on the line here. That's the smaller white-black roll markings craft in the video. It's needed for Artemis III which NASA plans to launch in September, 2026. Somehow, I don't see it.
Starship didn't achieve orbital velocity, so it was never actually in orbit despite reaching the required altitude. It's currently the world's largest two-stage Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.
@@Pushing_Pixels It reached the target (orbital) velocity, but the perigee was intentionally so low that it would reenter over the Indian Ocean. The fourth flight will repeat this trajectory, and likely the fifth flight as well. SpaceX likely needs to demonstrate the capability for a deorbit burn before being allowed to go into orbit with Starship. That demo is apparently not planned for the fourth flight so it would happen on the fifth flight at the earliest.
He probably doesn't have the cash. But I still don't see why they can't just do the flyby in dragon. Put that badboy on falcon heavy and you can do it.
Always curious as to why Apollo was able to make it. And today everyone is just useless about sending a rocket to the moon. All that was learned during Apollo can and should be applied to any new moon landing initiatives. So, yes, very ironic.
You need a super heavy launch vehicle. For decades we went with the shuttle which can only reach leo. The SLS can carry the Orion but not powerful enough for a Lander too also it is expensive like the Saturn v. Starship will be the solution to everything. Nasa also had 10x the budget during Apollo.
The difference is going to the moon to stay which means bringing an order of magnitude more tons to the surface of the moon, which requires larger a more powerful rockets and landers. It’s not the same as Apollo. Computers have come a long way. Everything has changed. You can’t just copy the Apollo playbook.
Also these men were tough as nails and extremely competent. This time around they have to go there with a transgender black bloke with blue hair who identifies as a female bunny rabbit to be the first to set foot again on the moon. That complicates things a bit for the western effort. A problem the Chinese won't have.
Tim didn't say *when* he was going, just that he was going. Dear Moon is unlikely to be the only such plan to be made in the foreseeable future. And Tim is young enough to have time on his side. Why roast him for having dream potential? Such a thing will not always be as difficult and costly as it is today, and the trip will always be spectacular! Good luck, Tim. Poor Angry. It takes a small heart to to be a naysayer when there's so little reason. The contract is Elon's worry. He's seen worse before. SpaceX will continue.
Need to go back to a Space Shuttle type design, even if it is mounted on top of a rocket to get a safety margin. Reentry needs to happen by landing like an aircraft on a runway. That was done successfully 125 times and all the risk factors have been identified.
Video could have been better without the ‘No way this is going to happen’ preamble which created the “I Told You So” feel of this episode. Thankfully you had recently gotten a haircut, so being a long-time view, I could immediately tell it was old footage. Someone who just tuned in may have mistakenly gotten a wrong first impression that you were gloating over the demise. And bad first impressions are difficult to overcome. Deano in DC
AI, space X, and Tesla had potential but the tech could not compete with the hype. As the failures compile the rhetoric has become defensive and more emotional and worst of all has manifested into a victim complex. He only appeals to people's emotions, and many people are conditioned to respond to those appeals and to set aside their intellect and reason for more emotionally attractive but unrealistic theories!
Someone on here was saying they wouldn't want to be one of the first to go to the moon in that private craft because we don't know how many times the craft can make the trip. We know 26 is the number with private deep ocean crafts. (Not too soon is it?) Lol
@@Pushing_Pixels No, they're not very far along at all, and Blue Origin doesn't know how to act quickly. Everything they've ever worked on has been delayed by years and years. Blue Moon likely won't be flying crew until the early 2030s.
I do believe that once the first big milestones such as landing the booster and starship are accomplished that the rest will likely accelerate quite a bit. I may be being too overly optimistic but I think the fundamentals are getting close to out of the way.
Yeah, SpaceX has abou a dozen ships and boosters in the works to go with the increasing launch cadence. Three other towers with a second planned to be operational in about 1 year.
Elon's over uptimistic promises just lead to disappointments. I remember that he would send humans to Mars in 2021! Also that he would use a falcon heavy to send a crew arround the Moon, and so on...!
Do you still see SpaceX starting point-point passenger flights by 2028 as Shotwell said would 'definitely happen'? When do think SpaceX will start building the infrastructure to service these routes, all the floating launch towers, and boats required to ferry passengers out to them and the pipelines and tankers to keep them refueled with thousands of tons of LOX and liquid methane every day.
The floating launch tower idea has been shelved. It seems now that SpaceX is looking for my oceanfront locations to build spaceports around the world. I believe that SpaceX will return to the floating launchtower idea though due to the cost and availability of oceanfront property anywhere.
@@ryanab01 Is that so? Where you think they will find suitable real estate near Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Sydney, for example? Don't they need to start buying the land right now, to start the building in time for launching these services. There's only another 4 1/2 years to get it ready and given the time it takes to get the necessary permissions and start construction I would expect all the design work for these spaceports to be complete by now.
Given star liner can’t even lift off it does seem far off that SpaceX could have tested enough prototypes for reusability to be reliable enough in this decade for human transport. This billionaire giving up weren’t cool though.
On the bright side, Tim's life expectancy has been extended.
What if they are going to the *_moonies_* instead ?
@@verypleasantguy 😮!
I believe he will go. Somehow.
I was sad at first that I wasn't chosen. Now I feel bad for Tim.
This is the laugh I needed today. Haha
Thunderf00t WINS.
Thunderfoot is an idiot.
Reality nearly always seems to get in the way with impatient idealism.
People keep saying "this should happen"/"this shouldn't happen" as if reality cares about what we think it should/shouldn't be. Ultimately, people can only really decide how they deal with the reality that is actually there.
Unless it's political idealism, in which case reality doesn't stand a chance.
Miazawa wasn’t thinking long term. He should have been.
Idealism? It's investor scam
@@Vaeldarg So, who do you think is dealing better with the reality of going to the moon , Elon, Jeff, or NASA?
It will be a great day to see Tim go to space, I'm sure the Everyday Astronaut will get his wings.
He could pay Jeff Bezos & go up on New Shepherd.
Just need some patience for Starship to become common place like the Falcon 9. Development is tough, but the outcome should shock the industry much like the reusable first stage. When each flight is so cheap, sponsored events will be common place.
Jets drink a lot of Red Bull and we’ll see.
Looks more like meazawa is feeling the current financial climate otherwise he would jave just extended or if he has a problem with SpaceX gone to another launch company
Probably just financial rough waters, but SpaceX doesnt really need his money anyways, NASA is paying for the moon rocket anyways
@@teaser6089 SpaceX is paying for most of it with their own money. Strictly speaking they don't need NASA either.
He could just wait until Starship actually lands on the Moon several times for NASA, by then the price should be cheaper for way better experience than just going around the Moon.
And just who would this other launch company be?
@@pakviroti3616 BO, ULA Boeing are just the usual ones there are others with a longer wait
how starship got accepted as a HLS concept is beyond me, anyone with room temp IQ could tell you it won't work, how will they get out of the fucking thing lol
A lunar lander without abort mode!
It's the most stupid idea.
What will would happen if during the discent some engines failure?
@@TheArmstrong1969 we would get to see the first spaceship go boom on the moon
SpaceX is far faster than any other manufacturer, but if you're carrying humans, you need an awful lot of successful launches beforehand.
Why….? We have billions of them…Jus5 do it…we can get more people…
Their development is also far more expensive than all others.
@@Meatball2022they also blow up much more. Meanwhile ULA has never lost a payload.
SpaceX after all these years is the only US certified human launch provider.
Even if the Starliner test is successful this month it has more work to be certified. Then the issues is Atlas 5 is now obsolete, If Boeing have any future plans Starliner would then require updates to fly on another rocket.
Edit: The only human US rated rocket in production is the Falcon 9
The space shuttle sent astronauts on the maiden voyage, so you don't NEED a lot of successful launches.
Thank God we are back to decent sunglasses…
We aren't - that was footage from 2022...he doesn't appear at all as his present self...he hasn't got a beard now, for a start.
@@chrismoule7242 Ugh…
why would you care so much that you're willing to be passive aggressive about it?
@@rundmk00 Was I being passive? I thought it was pretty up front myself….
Don't feel bad for telling it like it is AA, people see some slick production on a promo vehicle and basically think they are there. It took the gold and toil of a nation. At the time the richest nation and a decade or more of build up. If we don't get our act together and get serious about this endeavor, we will be watching China plant their flag and left wondering what could have been...
Great comment.👍🏼
and if you haste things beyond safety, then SpaceX will try to land on the moon and simply tip over
everybody dies and you will have the first dead humans on the moon
Seriousness would require pulling out some tried and true old tech and getting humans back, on the backs of our grandparents first, just to prove we are still half or better the nation that we were back then.
I miss the Alpaca lander. It was the best choice. Tim and the others got to live a while thinking they would actually go. This is disappointing, but at least they got that experience for a while
That was little more then a mockup. They didn't even have proven motors ready unlike Lunar Starship & Blue Moon
You have to wonder how Yusaku Maezawa is doing financially. Also, if he'd booked this through Boeing, he would have cancelled years ago...
Yusaku Maezawa's wish to go to the Moon when it was announced, is on par with someone wanting to go from New York to Paris in 1903 after seeing the first photo of the Wright Flyer the day after the first flight. The flight happened, in 1927, and that was a solo flight. When will Starship see the Moon from orbit? I don't know, but the future has a way of being interesting...
Lindbergh could have just waited a year and bought a ticket on the Zeppelin
1st Atlantic crossing happened well before.
Starship will never land on the moon. It’s by far the most inefficient space vehicle in history, and will bankrupt spacex long before it’s ready to be functional
The first flight across the Atlantic happened by seaplane in 1919 by seaplane. It made 53 stops by landing in the ocean & refueling by ships. The first nonstop flight was a few weeks later by two Brits flying between then British owned Newfoundland to British owned Ireland.
if Yusaku put his money on China, he would probably get his flight earlier. I am certain now that China will make it lunar orbit flight this decade. Starship could reach the moon, but the cost and time require to realise that would be longer than the Chinese solution. originally I thought NASA was ahead with the Orion, but it seem the orion is too heavy, and NASA "cheated" by using a more aggressive trajectory that has more development risk. now NASA has to spend time hotfixing the issue, if they have just reduce the Orion size by a tiny bit. US would easily be ahead of China. sometime it not good to be too "greedy" on wanting to be bigger and better... if NASA was building a brand new rocket it would not be a problem, but they are basically using shuttle parts, that limits what they could do with it, they should have work the problem backward rather than to design their "dream" spacecraft.
I mean... Musk literally did say starship would already be on Mars, with crew, by now.
I actually auditioned for the dear moon "program". The video is on my channel here.
Never been more excited to lose a competition in my life.
Starship ain't it. It's highly impractical and that's without even getting into the "bellyflop" and catching rockets out of mid-air using hydraulically actuated "chopsticks".
There's zero flight-abort hardware. Anything goes wrong at any stage of the flight and you're dead. Period.
All the acolytes are desperate to pretend the fundamental problems with this design don't exist, or that Elon will magically engineer them out of existence. You are right, Starship ain't it.
I been watching your show for years and at the beginning I really thought that you were an amateur. How ever over the years I’ve watched your become one of the most honest and in my opinion one of the most accurate and realistic reporter. Good job.
I agree, he has come far.
I would not sign up to participate in a propulsive landing with StarShip. They have had one successful landing from a few km altitude. Don't know why this isn't being tested over and over and over since it will be critical for man-rating StarShip. Even for cargo you don't get the ship back if you don't stick the landing which means you can't reuse it. The other thing is they haven't been able to make it through re-entry just from LEO which is 27,000 kph. A return from the moon would be 40,000 kph and kinetic energy goes up with the square of velocity !! This means they would have to absorb over 2x the heat as a LEO re-entry.
The HLS moon Lander does not return to earth nore is it crewed from earth, crews board and leave it in lunar orbit via the Orion capsule/gateway. I do also believe that there is meant to be an uncrewed demo of a lunar landing before they will allow an attempt with crew, it is wise to remember that there is always going to be inherent risk of failure in trying to land humans on the moon, Apollo was done with zero demos outside of simulator practice.
You are however correct in pointing out that they need to work out earth re-entry and propulsive landing to make the uncrewed tanker flights viable as well as in orbit refuelling, those are tough tasks that will no doubt take another number of years to be confident in.
@@tenfolder I never said it did. #dearMoon, however, was a manned Lunar flyby mission with return to Earth at 40,000 kph. Would you sign up for propulsive landing on StarShip ?
@@dionysus2006 My thoughts exactly. Compared with coming down under parachutes, or even landing on a runway, a propulsive landing where you get caught by the chopsticks of the launch tower just seems... risky. I mean, basically, if more than a few of the engines fail, you die, right? With the Apollo lunar landers (so far the only human spacecraft to do a propulsive landing), if you had a problem with the descent engines, you could abort to lunar orbit, but if you're on a crewed Starship returning to Earth (as with Dear Moon), I'm thinking there is no abort option if you have engine problems on the way down. You just all die. So I could imagine needing a huge amount of successful unmanned landings before it becomes reliable enough to put crew on board.
Elon said himself that he wouldn't land with people aboard untim they've had hundreds of successful unmanned landings. Dear Moon would have the passengers launch and land in Dragon capsules.
@@Hedgehobbit No, the plan was to use Starship for the entire mission. This means that Starship would need to fly dozens to hundreds of times prior to dearMoon happening.
Who didn't see this coming?
Certainly not everyone in 2022. I was a skeptic from the beginning when it was first announced, but mainly because while I think Starship has the potential to revolutionize space travel, I never believed Starship will ever be safe as an Earth launch and reentry vehicle compared to other vehicles. Believe me that wasn't a popular opinion to have in 2022, and still isn't for the most part. And that's just for a lowly online commenter like myself, it was even more bold to say that in 2022 while trying to build an audience among space enthusiasts who at the time believed that no way Starship won't soon be launching people to space and to the Moon. More people are a lot more realistic now about how long all of this is going to take.
@@StevePemberton2 Well, I struggled through your tortured syntax and I think I know what you're trying to say. My point was that this project was never going to happen in the time frame the Japanese guy was hoping for. And I, among others predicted that he would bail at some point.
@@pakviroti3616 Okay but you never said when you first thought this and why. Saying "I knew this was going to happen" is a fine thing but it takes a few more words than that to explain why you had that opinion.
@@StevePemberton2 Firstly, the original comment was more rhetorical than anything else. Secondly, it was beyond obvious to anyone that has watched Elon and SpaceX over the years. New systems like Starship take a much longer time to develop than the overly optimistic window this project was expected to take place in. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that, you just need to be able to think and evaluate the facts in evidence.
@@pakviroti3616 That makes sense. But it has been surprising how many people thought Starship was going to start carrying people and going to the Moon within the timeframes Elon said. Sure they realized it might take a little longer but a lot of people said five years max and if you tried to tell them it's going to take a decade or longer they said no way. It was really hard at the time to say anything against the hype of Dear Moon especially after the crew was announced, which was my point that it was bold in 2022 to say that in a video no matter how obvious it may have seemed there were a lot of people that bought into it and Jordan was one of the early voices calling it BS. Now that everyone can see the difficulties just getting either the booster or ship to make it as far as even just a soft landing in the water sure it's now obvious to everyone that Dear Moon would be far in the future. But in 2022 most people still bought into Elon's hype about it happening soon.
Reality check for sure.
So SpaceX didn't cancel, Maezawa did.
Correct
@@TheAngryAstronaut Try get that guy to the *_moonies_*
Yes and Dear Moon was the first private Lunar flight, not the only one booked....So bad day for Maezawa, Tim Dodd and the rest of the crew, but not really as significant for anyone else.
@@THX..1138 That's true, it's currently looking like Dennis Tito's Starship flight will be the first private moon flyby.
Elon should donate it to them.
Can we all agree that it’s just generally a bad idea to plan for specific missions before the technology is even developed?
Planning and paying for 🤡
I met Tim after work one day and he is such a sincere guy. He spent an amazing amount of time with me. Such a wonderful human and champion of space tech and exploration. He is the “best of us” I still pray his dream to make it to the moon happens! 👍🏾
Sorry but prayers dont work.
Why aren't they looking at several launches of Falcon Heavy to do the job? STS and Starship look a ways off. Falcon Heavy is here and now. Why couldnt they modifiy it to make a more scaled back approach to the moon landing?
They need the narrative that they NEED Starship and are helpless without it
Falcon Heavy could do a moon shot, but they would expend all three boosters, or at least that's what Elon said years ago, all depending on the mission object weight, mass etc.. and Dragon modifications,
FH isn't human rated, Dragon isn't rated for returning from moon. There is not market for that launch, so spending bilion or two for all necessary aprovals, modifications and tests without customer. IF NASA would be interested in alternative for orion, probably it would not take long to do it, but NASA is stuck with SLS/Orion senate contracts.
Starship is different as it got MULTIPLE useage from getgo, and there are already potential customers that would be interested in starship capabilities.
@@f.w.1318 The Chinese plan for their maned landing on the Moon in 2029 architecture, In my view could well be done using Falcon Heavy's sooner.
@@f.w.1318 The idea of 100% reusability is the fantasy dream that became the nightmare that is Starship!!
The idea of 100% reusability sounds nice, but it is ridiculously complicated and the obsession to achieve it created Stashp monster! It just isn't remotely practical and a lot of people are finally waking up to that fact.
I think they need to relook Artemus. It might be worth trying to salvage Gateway using SLS, Falcon Heavy and probably Vulcan. Do some landings using Orion Maybe develop some unmanned polar missions commanded from Gateway, They could probably do some concept missions like making fuel on the moon. There may be some worthwhile small scale options.
Tesla may collapse in a couple years and maybe Elon should focus on that. .But he has taken Tesla and Spacex both down a road that looks like one-way trips to nowhere and it's truly questionable what can be salvaged. At some point you need to stop throwing good money after bad. I don't have the answer. I was 16 when we landed on the Moon 55 year ago. I wanted to see it again, but it isn't looking too promising.
I hate to say it, but Elon Time is not always consistent with actual time. Sorry about the mission. I'll be happy when Starship is ready.
It makes no sense giving the workers more time than needed. You see Boeing and the others. Leave them time to rest and they'll take five times more.
Give a short schedule, but the devil is in the details. Still gets more done than the rest. The trick is not to push too hard.
🚀🏴☠️🎸
😂😂😂 Elon Time … people justifying the largest Ponzi scheme in human history always cracks me up
You will never be happy 🎉
His timeline is best case scenario, what his team is go target. Not what he actually expects to occur.
When Elon says one year, it’s actually closer to 7 years. A lot like dog years…
May I suggest a boomerang shaped spacecraft. This should have a better chance of returning to earth.
The prospect of Starship EVER being human-rated will require a specifically designed version. NASA and the FAA will never sign off on launching humans from Earth strapped to seats INSIDE the second stage of a huge rocket, directly on top of the giant fuel tanks, with no ejection pods or separating crew capsule for abort modes. They learned their lesson on the Space Shuttle. Keep in mind that the fuel tanks of Starship are so huge, it probably has a similar explosive power to the second stage of the Saturn V!
Will Yusaku get his money back? It was a donation wasnt it? Im surprised he would want to cancel the mission given how he had given all that money to SpaceX. We all knew it was going to be a number of years away at the time.
I’m sure Elon would give the money back. But Yusaka is Japanese and this is a public complaint.
ill be surprised if we get actual astronauts to the moon this decade./ Its only 5.5 yrs remaining
Why would that surprise you? Have you not been tracking Starship progress?
@@ryanab01 I have , thats the problem.. Artemis is now estimated to land humans 3 yrs later than planned, expecting less delays in the future is silly.
@@airgunningyup I expect Artemis will be canceled or completely transferred to SpaceX since the SLS is too expensive.
@@ryanab01 yep.. I think a lot will change and with that will come delays.. Gateway alone could take a decade, so I just dont see humans physically on the moon till 2030-2033.
@@airgunningyup I do, but they will be Chinese. But that's okay too for me, as for most people in the world.
File this beside "Mars 1". A project where Space X was contracted to establish a Mars colony be launching numerous Dragon V-1 spacecraft modified into habitat modules. Colonists launching atop a Falcon Heavy with a Dragon V-1 and ferry module would send a crew on a one way suicide mission to Mars
I don't think SpaceX got a contract for Mars 1.
@@Jogeta5 Never got that far. All of Mars 1 concepts were using Space x hardware
I never thought this thing was going to happen. Just no way.
Yea, you knew.
At least Maezawa went to ISS, so he saw the Cosmos :).
Don't worry. You will never go to the Moon on Starship.
Damn..i still remember the awesome song you sang at the end of that particular video…
A cool idea which sparked the imagination ! But with civilians with no experience quiet dangerous. Why not add a new mission (lunar) to the Polaris program, Jared Isaacman 💪.
Well, it's SpaceX, they convert impossible things into delays, but they're always faster than anyone else.
at failing
@@travishylton6976 They are the dominant rocket company in the world. Stop deluding yourself.
@@travishylton6976 please detail all the SpaceX failings.
You can only determine whether they are faster after they succeed. Until then they are just burning through investor dollars in a more spectacular fashion.
Maezawa was financially constrained the moment he signed the contract, this was just his first opportunity out and he took it.
Not to mention giving NASA decision makers lucrative positions after awarding large contracts to them .
People seem keen to overlook that.
@@Pushing_Pixels It's not uncommon for aerospace companies to recruit from NASA. And SpaceX is the sharp end of the sword, that's where all the cool stuff is happening and that is where many of the most skilled employees go, if they leave NASA.
@@SpaceAdvocate 😂 i love satire.
@@kurknielsen Look, no one in the aerospace business has suggested that Kathy Lueders acted in any way disloyal to NASA. Not even Blue Origin.
These claims have been cooked up by rabid Musk haters.
For propaganda purposes it was wonderful for SpaceX to have orgasms everytime their rockets exploded, I'm so old I remember that wasn't the case in the 1960s when early failures threatened the entire moon mission. I have never loved liars so I don't love my least favorite billionaire.
I agree with you, Yusaku-san. You are a wise man.
Elon Musk's optimistic timelines give him and his team a goal to shoot for unlike Bezos' B.O.'s open -ended timeline which does not give his team any goal to shoot for. Each of their team's accomplishments have shown Starship has the best chance of achieving their stated goals...
Not really. Elon's timelines aren't so much optimistic as brazenly dishonest. They are about drumming up public interest and pulling investors, but do nothing to inspire anyone who actually works on the projects. Probably the opposite, since they end up looking bad when they are inevitably "late".
@@Pushing_Pixels"late"? They are literally the only company who is actually doing something serious. BO hasnt even got to orbit yet, its a joke
Tim is secretly relieved no doubt. Or maybe openly relieved. I haven't seen his take yet.
Quite the opposite.
A wise choice.
It probably would've been wiser to just delay the thing for a few years instead of outright canceling the whole thing and ditching the crew that was promised to fly.
Hopefully they revisit this project once starship is a proven, reliable rocket.
I agree with much of what you said up until the comparisons between Dear moon and Artemis without mentioning that the mission objectives and parameters are completely different. Artemis starship doesn't need to re-enter the earth's atmosphere, belly flop, and then decelerate under earth's gravitational influence. Artemis also only has to support two crew (meaning life support could be largely inherited from dragon). Therefore the cancellation of one does not spell doom for the other as the missions cannot be legitimately compared in this way.
Regarding the influence of Billionaires comment I just don't think taking two examples warrants cause for concern especially since one of them has a proven track record and is saving NASA literally billions of dollars in development. I think with Blue Origin they are just hoping in a similar result - time will tell if it comes.
I watch your channel because you tell it like it is.
I came here right after Boeing Starliner scrubbed. Let’s just hope Boeing isn’t repeating Apollo 1.
Makes you realize how hard and dangerous getting into orbit is. The Starliner seems like it's jinxed! Deadly junk!
SpaceX is unfortunately the only real option for humanity. It needs maximum support by all of us.
Helium does not burn, so it can not repeat Apollo 1.
@@harmon802 😂😂😂 the only solution for humanity … if most humans are as gullible as you that might be right.
Wow. Who could've possibly seen that one coming?
Lunar Starship is not the variant which would have been used for the dearMoon crew.
Artemis and Launar Starship development is separate.
I have an angry rant about lunar starship:
Lunar regolith is loose and uncompacted. The Apollo rovers tires sank into it more than tires do on desert sand.
The Apollo landers had a low ratio between the height of their center of mass and the with of the landing legs. Looks like 1 to 1.
The probability of safely landing a starship on regolith with a center of mass 90 feet above the surface would likely require a prepared landing pad to accommodate land gear over 90 feet wide.
They would be better off transporting a lightweight landing module to ferry supplies to build the landing pad for starship.
It's not as challenging as some people make it out to be. As long as the horizontal velocity is zeroed out, as would happen during a nominal descent, you don't need massive landing legs. And the center of gravity is low enough that it should handle a 10-20 degree incline.
Starship has a very low center of mass. Both because of its propellants and the engines. They both weigh a lot. The Cargo would be stored somewhere in the middle so that wouldn't push the center of mass too much higher.
Starship also won't just instantly cut off the landing engines if it doesn't detect itself to have stopped moving.
The legs will also likely be extendable and retractable meaning one leg can be longer than the others so it can ensure the ship is upright.
And lastly, the astronauts will likely strap the ship down after landing. Put some anchors into the bedrock below the regolith and tie them up there
@@SpaceAdvocate Just modeling starship and tanks as cylinders, dry CG is ~28.5m from base. Without legs, it can handle anything less than 9 deg tilt. With legs extending out 3.5m, it can handle anything less than 15 deg.
They won't be delivering 100mT on the first trip, so the main CG shift is from remaining prop. If they land with 66mT LOX and LCH4 19mT, CG ~19m. Without legs, stable
The Apollo rovers had sparse wire-mesh treads. The LEM, with wide pads, did not sink as far down as the rover. Also, the rover kicked up such a rooster tail of regolith that the astronauts had to tape cardboard shields over the wheels, meaning the rover was moving material out of the tire tracks.
Th y should practice landing a starship in the desert sands first
It’s true, yet the progress doesn’t seem that slow considering the outrageous goals. And certainly moving faster than most NASA projects of this calibre.
Great work Angry
Private entrepreneurs are going to get us there. WE are going to get there. NOT our goverments.
Who do you think is funding these "private" entrepreneurs?
I am not even sure that I am going to make it to work each day.
why?
I have a hard time seeing any of them getting through the screenings
It's not NASA. The screening process is a credit check.
He probably pulled out so he could invest in Japanese lunar missions, being that's where he's from, so why go space x when there's local options.
Sorry to hear that it’s been canceled.
It's sad to hear this news. I wonder if Maezawa will restore the project when Starship is operational? I'm feeling sorry for Tim Dodd and other DearMoon astronauts. This awaiting the Starship becoming operational for me is the same as pending the war's end against my country. I'm waiting for both. And figuring out what else to do to bring this war to an end.
starship is never going to be operational for moon missions, it sucks for that, at best it is going to be very good at putting up starlink sats, and thats about it
@@kipkipper-lg9vl We will see.
IFT4 is scheduled for this coming Thursday. This could be SpaceX's most important launch, cuz obviously there are some fans getting antsy.
I pretty much knew it wouldn't happen on time, but I was hopeful it would eventually, mostly because Tim sounded so optimistic.
Maybe now that the FAA is getting out of they way it might pick up.
Empty promises and bullshit have become so commonplace these days.
Told you so when you started the channel, and I did get a lot of negative critics from others back then... But NASA or any other US company will not reach the moon before 2032 at least... And there is no shame in that, because manned space travel is just f*cking difficult.
Love the cheese roll.... it is the better choice as a drum roll would've been silent.. 😌
Maybe Tim will fly with “Dear Mars”
Musk must have had a good contract, promised a lot but doesn't have to give back any money already spent.
I would guess that not much was received from Maezawa. And it's entirely possible an amount was refunded.
Are you talking about Artemis?
if blue origin wanted a PR Coup right now they would put Tim on their next launch.
Technically Starship did fly in 2023! However its just not human rated and probably won’t be for several years. Can’t wait!!! 🙏🏽🤙🏽
It’s a shame. I was looking forward to Tim’s flight, even if it was a totally insane idea. I hoped it would happen, even if its dates slipped.
There's the possibility of it being back on again in the future if things change.
The money man behind it probably had money problems.
just a minor setback in the grand scheme of things. plus japanese
economic situation here is pretty bad now
Years ago, Musk explained that Maezawa's money was funding the development of Starship. It wasn't a refundable deposit.
Feel bad for Tim, he has more passion for space than the other chosen passengers combined...and deserves to go. I don't feel bad for the rest of the elites that were going to fly on this vanity project. No normal person, regardless of passion...was ever going to be chosen.
What a surprise!
Quit whining that the project you wanted didn’t get picked. Your pick was even more unlikely to be successful.
😊 I didn't believe they would get it done this fast either. But Elon did, the problem was the FAA keeps delaying them so much. We're talking about at least 3 years of delays. If they had that time back they would be much farther along. Good job FAA! Doing your bureaucratic job like usual.
So you're saying Elon and SpaceX should be exempt from following the law? Just because you've bought into his wild claims? Maybe the FAA should stop investigating incidents with Boeing passenger planes too, so they don't inconvenience Boeing?
😂yousucka was apparently the right handle for him! 😭 8 hearts broken 💔
Justin - I think this is a right decision, even a good decision by Yusaku Maezawa, since it acknowledges that Starship isn't and won't be ready any time soon and it removes a potential distraction from that. So, Go Moon! Go SpaceX!
With 3,000 employees working 24/7 I find it really hard to believe we ever went to moon 50 years ago
And why would the USSR have lied that USA went to the Moon?
@@aprilpower1158 perhaps for the same reason that Iran will pretend that they weren't attacked in order to avoid having to retaliate and escalate tensions. Sometimes a lie agreed upon is the most reasonable choice.
(i'm not saying moon landing was fake)
3000? It was over 500,000 people working during the Apollo era. Don't forget it was a bi-partisan government push to beat the Soviets along with the general public and cost over $260 billion in 2024 value.
Here we go. We were in a race with the Soviet Union. They were closely watching us as we were watching them. They would have LOVED to embarss the US if they even thought we were faking. We would have been humiliated in front of the world. They closely monitored every Apollo flight. The fact that we beat them is a testament to our engineers of that era. The goal was merely to land and get back safely.
All through history, Art has influenced culture. Art is what defines us as human and Art is a reflection of humanity. Without artists architecture we would still be in the middle ages. If I had the chance as an artist, a musician to go to the moon I would definitely go. Artists have a unique perspective on the world around them. A ‘good’ artist interpret reality in their own way. Anyone can take a photograph, but if you had someone like Van Gogh up there painting what they saw… that would be truly inspiring.
Yeah yeah, artists trying to put themselves in the most important position of humanity, while the truth is, without scientists and engineers who are the most motivated to figure out what why how, you ain't going anywhere. Without farmers workers human won't survive, without army and firefighters we will be in danger...
It is not the artists who built the architectures, it is the engineers, who know what forms can be built to what extent.
Yes anyone can take a photo, but most don't understand what photography really means not to mention taking a real good one. If you are really into art, you understand it can be any forms, and painting isn't necessarily better than others
@@ssszzz8824 art is truly what defines us. The very first scientist and philosophers were considered artists. Art has a connection to human compassion and without it you cannot spread it the light of consciousness. And I standby ‘anyone can take a photograph’ but put that camera into the hand of an artist…
The next cancelation for SpaceX will be Lunar Starship. NASA will eventually lose patience over Starship's (lack of) progress and the inability for Starship to ever achieve rapid turnaround for the 16 or so refueling flights. (Both pad, spacecraft, and fuel supply). All it will take is one severe Starship test flight setback for NASA to give up, cancel Starship, and move on with Artemus without it.
U sound like the Emperor.
It depends if there is a viable alternative. SLS will never be that alter stove die to limited availability of parts
SpaceX are doing better than NASA and their hanger oner's, they are at least trying and not spitting the dummy.
NASA is not capable of doing 1/1000th as good as SpaceX
I hope you're right because Artemis is a distraction for SpaceX.
I'm no Moon expert but I knew that Dear Moon project was a Dud
I told you so :)
I always thought that the Dear Moon project was too ambitious to be accomplished by the time stated. Starship is still a very long way from even sending humans into low earth orbit. If the current rate of starship flights (3-4 months), its going to be years and years before heading to the moon. After Flight 4, it's going to take another 3-4 months before flight 5, then another 3-4 months after that. Personally, I think 2030 is too optimistic.
With enough funding anything is possible. They’ve already proven the booster is capable of getting Starship to orbit. Perfecting the orbiter shouldn’t be that difficult considering the amount of time humans have spent in space. There has been continuous habitation on ISS for decades.
Except it's Lunar Starship HLS that's on the line here. That's the smaller white-black roll markings craft in the video. It's needed for Artemis III which NASA plans to launch in September, 2026. Somehow, I don't see it.
Starship didn't achieve orbital velocity, so it was never actually in orbit despite reaching the required altitude. It's currently the world's largest two-stage Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.
@@Pushing_Pixels It reached the target (orbital) velocity, but the perigee was intentionally so low that it would reenter over the Indian Ocean.
The fourth flight will repeat this trajectory, and likely the fifth flight as well. SpaceX likely needs to demonstrate the capability for a deorbit burn before being allowed to go into orbit with Starship. That demo is apparently not planned for the fourth flight so it would happen on the fifth flight at the earliest.
La tiene re clara el viejo este. Le ha acertado con lo de Boeing y con esto de Dear Moon.
I 100 percent agree with you, Angry.
More fuel for those who question Apollo.
He probably doesn't have the cash. But I still don't see why they can't just do the flyby in dragon. Put that badboy on falcon heavy and you can do it.
I AM ABSOLUTELY GUTTED FOR YOU TIM DODD & I HOPE YOU GET TO GO TO THE MOON IN YOUR LIFETIME ! ! ! ? ? ?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Always curious as to why Apollo was able to make it. And today everyone is just useless about sending a rocket to the moon. All that was learned during Apollo can and should be applied to any new moon landing initiatives. So, yes, very ironic.
Who learned that? And where are they after 60 years? All diagrams and blueprints were scrubbed. Just the typical national arrogance.
Cubic buttloads of money, and a decent sprinkling of luck.
You need a super heavy launch vehicle. For decades we went with the shuttle which can only reach leo. The SLS can carry the Orion but not powerful enough for a Lander too also it is expensive like the Saturn v. Starship will be the solution to everything. Nasa also had 10x the budget during Apollo.
The difference is going to the moon to stay which means bringing an order of magnitude more tons to the surface of the moon, which requires larger a more powerful rockets and landers. It’s not the same as Apollo. Computers have come a long way. Everything has changed. You can’t just copy the Apollo playbook.
Also these men were tough as nails and extremely competent. This time around they have to go there with a transgender black bloke with blue hair who identifies as a female bunny rabbit to be the first to set foot again on the moon. That complicates things a bit for the western effort. A problem the Chinese won't have.
Tim didn't say *when* he was going, just that he was going. Dear Moon is unlikely to be the only such plan to be made in the foreseeable future. And Tim is young enough to have time on his side. Why roast him for having dream potential? Such a thing will not always be as difficult and costly as it is today, and the trip will always be spectacular! Good luck, Tim.
Poor Angry. It takes a small heart to to be a naysayer when there's so little reason. The contract is Elon's worry. He's seen worse before. SpaceX will continue.
Need to go back to a Space Shuttle type design, even if it is mounted on top of a rocket to get a safety margin. Reentry needs to happen by landing like an aircraft on a runway. That was done successfully 125 times and all the risk factors have been identified.
Video could have been better without the ‘No way this is going to happen’ preamble which created the “I Told You So” feel of this episode. Thankfully you had recently gotten a haircut, so being a long-time view, I could immediately tell it was old footage. Someone who just tuned in may have mistakenly gotten a wrong first impression that you were gloating over the demise. And bad first impressions are difficult to overcome. Deano in DC
Late 2026 would have been feasible if no more larger hiccups in the development based on flight 4 predictions and analysis.
I do love your realistic observations. I would not go to space if invited. Way too dangerous.
Like this is my shocked face -> 🌝
AI, space X, and Tesla had potential but the tech could not compete with the hype. As the failures compile the rhetoric has become defensive and more emotional and worst of all has manifested into a victim complex. He only appeals to people's emotions, and many people are conditioned to respond to those appeals and to set aside their intellect and reason for more emotionally attractive but unrealistic theories!
Someone on here was saying they wouldn't want to be one of the first to go to the moon in that private craft because we don't know how many times the craft can make the trip. We know 26 is the number with private deep ocean crafts. (Not too soon is it?) Lol
Blue Moon's lander might be a real one, though.
Maybe at the end of the decade if Blue Origin picks up the pace.
@@Jogeta5 Origin is further ahead on their lander design than SpaceX is.
@@Pushing_Pixels No, they're not very far along at all, and Blue Origin doesn't know how to act quickly. Everything they've ever worked on has been delayed by years and years. Blue Moon likely won't be flying crew until the early 2030s.
Poor Tim but tbf it was always a pipedream am amazed they didn't realise how elastic space timescale estimates are *Shrug*
I do believe that once the first big milestones such as landing the booster and starship are accomplished that the rest will likely accelerate quite a bit. I may be being too overly optimistic but I think the fundamentals are getting close to out of the way.
Yeah, SpaceX has abou a dozen ships and boosters in the works to go with the increasing launch cadence. Three other towers with a second planned to be operational in about 1 year.
Elon's over uptimistic promises just lead to disappointments. I remember that he would send humans to Mars in 2021! Also that he would use a falcon heavy to send a crew arround the Moon, and so on...!
Do you still see SpaceX starting point-point passenger flights by 2028 as Shotwell said would 'definitely happen'? When do think SpaceX will start building the infrastructure to service these routes, all the floating launch towers, and boats required to ferry passengers out to them and the pipelines and tankers to keep them refueled with thousands of tons of LOX and liquid methane every day.
PIpe dream
The floating launch tower idea has been shelved. It seems now that SpaceX is looking for my oceanfront locations to build spaceports around the world. I believe that SpaceX will return to the floating launchtower idea though due to the cost and availability of oceanfront property anywhere.
@@ryanab01 Is that so? Where you think they will find suitable real estate near Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Sydney, for example? Don't they need to start buying the land right now, to start the building in time for launching these services. There's only another 4 1/2 years to get it ready and given the time it takes to get the necessary permissions and start construction I would expect all the design work for these spaceports to be complete by now.
@brendanpells912 yes, those are the reasons that many or most land-based spaceports cannot happen.
Point-to-point is never happening. It was never a realistic concept, just another Musk thought-bubble that went nowhere.
Given star liner can’t even lift off it does seem far off that SpaceX could have tested enough prototypes for reusability to be reliable enough in this decade for human transport. This billionaire giving up weren’t cool though.