Toccatas For Beginners? Help!
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Everyone loves a Toccata - we all know Widor, Boellmann, Vierne, Duruflé, but what about the "easier" ones? Dubois and Gigout? Let's find out if I can sight read a Toccata... Help!
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My goodness I have just discovered you recently. You are an amazing communicator and musician. I need now to view all your video's. Thank you so much.
freeman61 He is amazing! Believe me, I started to look at Fraser’s videos a year ago or so and ever since I’ve been listening to his videos! You will love them and will love his humor. ((:
Great work on the Dubois toccata Fraser! Your face at the end of the video says it all. It says to me “Did I really just sight read my way through that?” 😂
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Good job with playing through this fine piece. 👍❤️ As one of my organ profs "beat into us" - "Never Stop Playing, regardless of what happens. Otherwise the illusion / 'spell' is broken." Sound advice.
I've always loved Dubois' accessible, emotive, and lyrical organ music. Thanks for this very interesting and enjoyable lesson.
My sight-reading professor - yes, there is such a thing - had a few tricks up his sleeve to help petrified students. Funnily enough, I never had any problems sight-reading homophonic music - counterpoint is another story... My last organ teacher, a Bach Guru, was constantly amazed at my apparent Bach-dyslexia after weeks and weeks of practice but my ability to sight-read Widor and Vierne almost perfectly... Must be my jazzy upbringing! I still break into a cold sweat at the thought of a trio sonata!
@@FraserGartshore I've always been a choral accompanist (from junior high school chorus through graduate school, plus years of church organist work), so I've become (of necessity) a pretty competent sight-reader.
Trio Sonatas can be terrifying - there's absolutely NOWHERE TO HIDE. But they are unsurpassed for developing independence between hands and feet. I've only performed maybe 3 Bach Trio Sonatas in recital and, as much as I love them, I was always very relieved when I finished playing them. They're lots more enjoyable when I can play them "privately" for my own amusement/edification - without an audience.
Generally speaking, the vast majority of (modern-day) Toccatas are built on ornamented CHORDS. So I can see how they'd be easier to sight-read.
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I know it isn’t a French one but one of the easier toccatas is John Rutter’s Toccata in Seven
I'm envious 😁 of how you can just play that 'frrrench' toccatas by ear making it look easy peasy 😄 Love your videos Maestro! Keep it up. Greetings from South Africa 👋
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Once again a really refreshing, unpretentious lesson in how to learn and play these wonderful instruments and the music written for them. I've been trying to play the Dubois toccata for several years and as I use it as an exit processional, I rarely get to the B Major bit or beyond. It's lovely to hear this played by a "real person" rather than some organ maestro who just plays it so fast it loses its impact. I really enjoyed watching that. Thanks Fraser
Very nice, Fraser! I really like the clear and bright upper work stops you used.
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The Gigout Toccata is probably my all time great - never tier of listening to it.
Fraser: "hands just plays arpeggios, easy!
*Continues to play the wrong notes
Also, Fraser: "(clears throat), easy......."
This was hilarious. 🤣 Thanks for the video.
Darren Williams haha.
Fantastic job at sightreading... you could have fooled me! Very natural talent! I had forgotten about Dubois and Gigout and their wonderful music. I must replenish my cup with their music. Thank you for your fantastic videos. I plan (after the holidays) to purchase your CD and music so I can cherish and learn from them. Danke Fraser!!
You call it "natural talent", I call it "decades of hard work". :D VERY nice job anyways.
Wow, what a joyful piece. That was my first exposure to the piece. Thank you so much for sharing!!!!
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You're a wonderful communicator! Very civilised. 💐
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The Dubois Toccata is one of my favourites, and my wife and I exited the church following our marriage to this piece, so it was quite emotional hearing you play it. Like you Fraser, I’ve heard it fast, very fast and super-fast and I kind of like it at your pace. Personally I can struggle through the first page at about half the speed you played it, and thanks to your valuable learning tips I shall revisit this toccata and see if I can improve. As always Fraser a delightful video.
Good choice of wedding march! I am enjoying "properly" learning the Dubois at the moment, there are quite a few quirky corners (as my bash-through displayed!) to get the fingers around. The Gigout really is much easier to get to grips with. Who'd have thought!
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Another marvelous presentation Fraser, and a truly nice plus spirited Dubois Toccata !!
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Goodness gracious, sir! You are brilliant!
Stunning video, and I got a decent dose of chuckling in too. You have a wonderful way with words.
Two pieces I can only dream of playing.
Musical greetings from a huge fan.
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Amazing. Well done, and showing you are human too! You have inspired me to give it a try.
Thanks a million!
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Your videos are so inspiring - you really know how to make learning fun !!
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Blimey - that's sightreading way beyond my pay grade 😳 (but I've downloaded the 12 Pièces and will manage the middle section of No 3 tomorrow 😄) - thanks for a hugely enjoyable video!
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so cool that you make video both in english and german! respect! although I don't play organ myself, just a classical amateur pianist ;)
Hi Rio. There's nothing 'just' about being a classical pianist!!
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This video encouraged me to dig out my copy of the music and give it another try. Lets hope that doesn't encourage me to put it away again.
Go for it! Good luck!
"Simple as that"
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Well done, Fraser!! It's a very tricky piece. I'm 67 years old, and still can't manage it!!! LOL!!! Peter A :)
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I just started learning the gigout toccata recently, so perfect timing on that! I’ll be waiting on some tips because at 16 with not a lot of experience and short fingers it’s a little painful 😂
Painful? That's not good. You should pay attention to your posture at the console - making sure your arms and wrists are not stressed. You must make sure that there are no upward angles between your elbows and your fingertips - your wrists must be higher than your fingers. If you're playing "uphill", you'll get all sorts of stresses and pains in your tendons and that is definitely NOT good! If I remember, I'll demonstrate what I mean in a future video...
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That was great! I always enjoy a classicalpiece of music at the end of the vids. I was always thinking, that organ of yours would look so much better if it had its matching baroque-ish styled mechanical console
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B major. Pig of a key. 🤣🤣🤣 Like if you agree.
Totally! Ugh!!!
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@@james.flores,
well we'd like to recommend to have a try with some over-delicious pieces in the key .
just take the piano part of beethoven's 5th concerto, second movement . or one of the three B major nocturnes by chopin , especially the no.9 isn't that difficult to give it a try . schumann's third romance, op.28 is not the shortest but the most dancing one and is divided in rather small parts . must say on studying such attractive pieces we started even to love the key itself .
Bravo sir. The Dubois was used in the introduction to Dame Gillian Weirs’ series “The King of Instruments” back in ‘89. 😁
There used to be a battle between organists to see who could play the Dubois the fastest. I'm not sure if Gillian won - I think Wayne Marshall may have overtaken her at some point!
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Pretty awesome performance!
Love the brilliant top end of this instrument, and the beautiful bass stops.
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Remember the famous saying " the space between the notes is just as important as the notes themselves". Technically accurate hitting of the note doesnt necessarily make for good playing style. Style is more "holistic" than just pounding keys.
I love this video 😃😃😃😃
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Ah, how wonderfully done! For basically sight-reading for all intents and purposes, your final performance there at the end was absolutely delightful!
Also, as a funny aside: when you posted a preview shot of yourself holding up the first page of the score, I got so excited because I recognized the music that I just had to comment about how I loved that particular toccata. Ironically, I had a brain burp of sorts and called it the Gigout toccata, even though I do and DID quite very well know it is the Dubois* and not the Gigout. I've played both; not sure why I mixed the composers up in my comment there. But how ironically delighted was I to see that you ARE in fact tackling the Gigout, anyway! I suppose I was having a bit of a premonition, eh?
Best of luck, kindest regards, and thank you so much for sharing your wonderful talents and your delightful personality with us! You've quickly become my favourite organ channel on this platform. I would love to have the chance to meet you one day if the world heals enough for me to ever follow through on my plans to visit some churches in the Netherlands. Watching you has given me many reasons to consider making that a trip to Germany, instead!
Thank you again. Stay safe and well and keep up the bloody good work!
You're always welcome! Make it a combined NL and Germany trip. There's plenty to see. I'm sure Gert v.H. and myself could sort you out with a few good instruments to visit!
A-ha, I've watched Gert van Hoef grow up from a wee lad on RUclips! He and the Netherlands Bach Society are the big reasons I've got such a burning desire to go to the Netherlands. I would LOVE to play the instrument in the Oude Kerk in Amsterdam. But you've shown quite a few just in the local parish round yours that I'd also love to visit, so hey - once the world calms back down, eh?
In the meanwhiles, I'll be on the lookout for your video about the Gigout! Thanks for responding, and have a lovely day!
@@DallasBolin Thank you! Stay safe, healthy and keep playing!
@@FraserGartshore All the same to you, kind sir! Cheers, good health, and joyful music to you! Bis später!
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omg I love playing T. Dubois Toccata in G. I haven’t played it in a while though since churches are closed because of the pandemic. I play it on my piano but it’s not as exciting as it is played on the organ. It’s not “clean”. But I still love playing it. You played it cleaner than I do.
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Anyone else want to grab the first 6 seconds for their new ringtone? 😂
Gareth Howells HA! I would
what a great idea!
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Dubois toccata is a difficult one to do vEry fast because we need the space in between the scalar consecutives notes to make it sound clear and good.
Personally I think it's a mistake to worry too much about the metronome mark. The organ I play, which has pneumatic key action, can't really keep up with the marked tempo, but it sounds perfectly okay a fraction slower. I've heard an extremely competent organist play it at the marked speed and make a complete pig's ear of it!!
Beautifully ...!
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I once recorded the Gigout on my Korg 01W and added the pedals on track 2. Fingering is a bugger but I managed it. maybe now I should buy the Dubois and have another go
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I love the version of KJM but how you play is actually great.
Ruben Botter yes klaas Jan Mulder did play it very nice !
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Please Fraser - your thoughts about. - ForScore -- iPad based sheet music. Thanks
I'm not sure if it's deemed "acceptable" to do so, but I've found that a quick glance down at the keys on those occasions when the right thumb needs to pass under the other fingers helps to avoid landing on the wrong note.
Fabulous! Great instrument too! Where is this organ?
I,d be happy if you explain gigout’s toccata, it’s one of my favourites and it sounds really good !
Coming soon!
Fraser Gartshore thanks fraser !
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Eglise Saint-Augustin on an organ built by Barker (!) (An English Instrument in France?) Gigout held the bench there longer than many people live.
BTW, thanks for the ear worm. I cant play it yet but I can't get it out of my head, either.
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Question about the shop, will there be digital copies of the music in the future? It might make it easier for people to get it without worrying about international shipping costs/restrictions.
There are already digital versions available on the “usual” channels! iTunes etc!
@@FraserGartshore I more meant digital copies of the scores. A lot of the places I get music from have the option to get a download link for a PDF after paying for the score, itself. It may help with accessibility and deal with some of the hassle of having to go through the post office.
There are downloadable and printed versions available on the website!
@@FraserGartshore Guess I didn't scroll down far enough. haha
Thanks for the clarification!
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Dubois's Toccata starts from 7:45
Mr. Gartshore is there any Organ pieces that Piano can't be played or Piano pieces the Organ can't be played? Because the Piano & Organ both are different instruments. Is there any pieces is couldn't be transcribed to each other(Piano to Organ or Organ to Piano)?
In fact there have been many Organ transcriptions of Piano Music to date, Cameron Carpenter is known very well for his transcriptions of Chopin’s Études to the organ as well as Rachmaninoff’s Rhapsody on a theme by Paganini, however there are far less Piano transcriptions of Organ pieces. Liszt did transcribe Bach’s Preludes and Fugues for the piano, but outside of that, there haven’t been many piano reductions of organ music.
@@ryangiraldi5722 Thanks for the info
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ohhh nice played! But so qwick
liked the toccata very much!
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My first and only was BWV 565 Toccata und Fuge in D-moll
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Hi Fraser, very well done :)) love it.
You were talking about the German version. Did you do that under the same account or is that another account? Thanks
Stay safe and healthy. Regards from NYC
Claude
Yep, all videos are done twice - once in English and once in German. Hence the little flags in the corners of the videos. All on the same channel! Regards to NYC - how are you guys coping with COVID?
Fraser, Things are really bad in the States as it is very chaotic over here, nothing under control. I don’t blame Europe not at all for not accepting Us-citizens. I miss Europe a lot. Staying safe and healthy over here as well.
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@@sonasherner5111 shut up
Question on your sheet music, if I buy “the works”, do they all come in one book or is each piece separate?
All in one big book!
If you want them separately - let me know!
I must admit I'm unfamiliar with this piece, but it reminds me a lot of Lemmens Fanfare.
I think Garth Edmondson's "Toccata" is an easy toccata to learn and master for a beginner.
Never heard of this one...
The toccata is no.3 from 12 piecs by Dubois, not no.4 as you put on the blog!
Ah! Iv played dubois so many times! Im currently practicing the Final of the 1st symphony of vierne
Edit: I also think driffill and Becker are good
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hi fraser nice video how about to you to play widor 6 symphont for 50k?
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oh wow nice, Jehan Alain someday?
I haven’t played his Litanies in years - time for a refresh I think!
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That makes more sense...
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I wish my fingers were as flexible as that!!
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Actualy fist piece what i learn was Dmi toccata from Bach... :D but the fist piece what i master was toccata by Gigout.
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Lemmens Fanfare from L’École d’Orgue is another rather easyish toccataishy piece - but for little effort sounds rather nice.
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I think Gigout was at Saint-Augustin.
He was. Did anyone say anything to the contrary?
@@FraserGartshore Not that I saw. I don't believe anyone else answered your question. I said, "I think," because I wasn't absolutely certain and I didn't want to cheat by looking it up.
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Great stuff Fraser. B Major is the Devil's key!!
I don't know why, but I much prefer the flats! My favourite key is Db major...
@@FraserGartshore me too! I've always blamed the fact that I play Eb and Bb transposing instruments.... I love Ab major!
@@FraserGartshore ah yes... Andrew Lloyd-Webber wrote a lot in Db. Some of the stuff from Phantom is lovely on the pipe organ and lots of chance for that legato you often mention!
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I think I had it backwards. I did Boellmann's Toccata from Suite Gothique first XD. Also anyone else on a Fraser Gartshore binge recently?
I hope everyone's on an FG binge! Hope you're enjoying the videos! Don't forget to spread the word!
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Will the live stream for members only be a stream of a new organ?
One day yes! Live streams from organs will have to depend on the bandwidth available in the church involved!
Fraser Gartshore and also, Will the video be posted after for all people to see?
No, these streams will remain for members only! There will be other public streams from time to time.
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20:45 I think "gothic" is the word you were looking for to describe the Gigout toccata. Always sounds more English than French to me, but maybe that's just because I always associate it with having a gothic feel.
I imagine EG knocked the Toccata up in a quick improvisation one afternoon. He was a legendary improviser and the piece has the definite feel of a spontaneous creation to it. The simple melodic movement, the harmonic movement in the middle section etc...
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For Christmas you should play a boogie woogie version of jingle bells
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When the 5 manuals organ come ?
Soon!
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Sehr schön Könntest du mir fieleicht die noten verlinken
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Synchronize the hands velocity with the delay of transmission type. This is one of another problem together of acoustic delay from church and where is the pipe division box.
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Well now! That seems simple enough.😳😬😮
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We all yearn to play the Durufle.
... says the man with a profile picture of Rachmaninov! Actually, the Duruflé isn't as crazy as it looks. It's not easy by any means, but once you get your brain around the snazzy harmonies, you're fine! Big hands and a LOUD organ help of course! Apparently MD himself didn't like the Toccata all that much. He was a bit of a perfectionist to say the least. His P&F on Alain has to be the finest piece of organ music ever written. (Cue abuse from the Bach Brigade!!!)
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Argggh!! These youtube commercials are getting on my last nerve. But anyway, If I were to ever be offered a "re-do" of my life and can choose what that life is to be, I want to be an organist and be a student of Fraser's.
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"Maitre, merci."
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I think that the easiest Toccata is the one in D minor by Gaston Bélier. Lots of repetition and easy modulations.
I like this one too. However, there are three pedal sections which are trickier than any of the footwork in the Toccata by Dubois.
Gigout’s toccata isn’t what I’d call easy. The beginning is quite simple indeed, but it gets much harder as it goes.
That’s very true, but all I said was it’s easier (for me!) than the Dubois. It “fits” under the fingers better!
Fraser Gartshore I see your point, Gigout did indeed do an amazing job at making it fit well, but there are some quite technical (although small) passages that are very challenging, especially for a beginner, which this video is made for.
I found the Gigout fingering quite easy it was combining the pedal parts that killed me off plus I cant get access to a pipe organ round my way
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Ok. Im not a beginner. Im nowhere near good enough to be a beginner. I need a few years of practice first to become a beginner. Oh dear...
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I'm not sure but I think that Gigout was organist in the Saint Augustin
I think it was actually the church of Saint Augustin in Paris.
@@dallinbissett1992 yes I thought about an other organist
@Regan RN no it's Augustin look at Google
Oh dear @Regan RN - that's wrong I'm afraid. Maybe you should contact the site's owners and let them know! St Augustin is correct. A rather beautiful church.
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So, I have a suggestion, on your next organ video can you play the star spangled banner? It would sound really amazing on the organ
Is it possible that you can do it?
I shall add it to the list of requests!
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The William Ralph Griffill Toccata from his Suite No 1 although very fast is a good fun and excellent piece to learn and play . Sounds fantastic as well. Like the Toccata here the Griffill Toccata is gaining popularity with high profile organists now playing it. Griffill was an English composer but it would be good to get a lesson on playing this. Hector Oliver’s you tube version on the Allen digital organ is spectacular but his is really a virtuosic arrangement containing extras such as a pedal trill for special effect. .I suggest a video of how this can be played and tips to get the required speed which is needed for effect
Wasn’t Gigout the organist of St.Sulpice?
No, he was up the road at St Augustin - another amazing Parisian church.
Fraser Gartshore I remember Daniel Roth talking about him in a video, that’s probably why I guessed wrong!
Fraser I have e-mailed you (I am the 13 year old from Greece ) but you haven't replied. Please I would like some answere
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Next time Bélier toccata?
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That's the reason I hate electric pneumatic organs, just because of this delay this organs bring! I played an organ once that had at least 2 seconds of delay before the sound got to my ears......a terrible way of playing organ!!
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Frrrench
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Wow just three small mistakes well played.
More like thirty!😂
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Please play the Gigout much slower!!
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WoW - lovely to listen to - but hellish (for an ignoramous choral singer) to get his mind around...
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