@@kolgax2064 We will never know, its an open ending for players to imagine and have hope, if you think V ends up dead then that's case, I feel like Panam would tear the whole world apart to save V and I would be there right by her side.
It’s the ending where the most people die, and V ends up with less chance of survival than the other endings. I don’t like it personally because it results in most of Panam’s clan being wiped out
Wow, you definitely got me with the devil and the first ending. That was 100% accurate. It's not that I'm cold, I'm more nihilistic and I definitely used Johnny because I felt he was doing similar.
Bro, this video is absolutely outstanding! So glad I found this channel cuz I already see a handful of other videos you’ve done on some of my favorite games and I’m gonna go head and watch em as soon as I finish this one up.. great work man
I would like to think my V would give their body up to Johnny. It would make the most pragmatic sense. V living on beyond the Black Wall with Alt. You maybe get 6 mos of life otherwise, and Johnny's gone. Give him another chance with a change in mindset. But if my V had a relationship with Judy or Panam, they would go with the Aldecaldos. Try to hang on to life as much as possible.
The catch with the Mikoshi endings is that V dies and becomes an engram inside Mikoshi and is merely injected back into the original body not to mention it was a rogue AI which helped. It's demonstrated with Jackie and Saburo that constructs are just pseudo intelligences too and not actual souls. With Alt/Mikoshi, V ends up trading her body and soul away for a fraction of the life they once knew, and with the NUSA/Tower trades their whole life away as they knew for their body and soul. I got the Star ending and that seemed the most hopeful but it all comes down to the soul question and I now have no idea. I guess in Cyberpunks' world where cybernetics can replace an entire person, memories can be wiped and implanted at will, virtual reality is as compelling as the real thing and AI's can hijack people and fabricate and replace their existence, the lines really start to blur on a lot of this. Are we our soul or are we our memories?
I've seen many people come to this conclusion, And people seem to forget the engram is placed back in the original brain. Here is a post I made that explains it copied! "It wouldn't be like cloning yourself if the Engram uses the original brain as a host. That's what OP is getting at. If the Engram of a person is uploaded to the same person's brain the original brain will have zero difference pre engram and post engram. The same memories, neurons and the same synapses are firing in the exact same place that they where before. An engram will RESTORE the original YOU because it is all happening in the original brain. If the Engram restores the previous brain pattern there was before. There would be zero difference. It would be like waking up from a deep sleep. Now if you take the engram out of the physical body/brain and the physical body/brain is destroyed. Then of course its just a copy/clone and the real you is dead. Or someone must explain to me how the engram of a same person in the same persons brain is STILL someone different, because that would mean the "Real you" is something more than the electrical synapses in your brain. (Which the engram would restore in the original brain)"
Another reply I had to a commenter that came to this conclusion: If the copy is being inserted in the original brain and now the original brain has the exact same neurons, synapses, memories, pathways. and they are all firing in the exact same way. What is lost? It wouldn't matter. Either you would "merge" with the copy. Or the copy restores you. Whatever way you like to look at it really. As long as it is in the same brain it doesn't matter what restarts it. Its the same brain with the exact same configuration. If someone now says to me that from the original perspective you are still dead I would ask. Why? Where did the original go? Its the same brain! If the original perspective stays dead even if post engram the brain is still the same that would prove that we are more than electrical impulses in the body/brain AKA this only works if the soul/spirit is what makes you YOU. But of course if your engram gets pulled from your brain and your brain dies, That's it for you now only the copy remains.
@@1232002Jarne Cheers for the reply, I guess what I was getting at was more of a question of the identity of V. I think Anders Hellman mentioned the biochip's purpose is overwriting neurons contained within a dead hosts' brain, uploading a biochips' engrams to the host and allowing a pseudo intelligence within the chip to reanimate a dead body. This is what Saburo wanted to do. So in Mikoshi, Alt soulkilled V. The contents of V's mind were digitized and Johnny and V were disentangled. Like the teleporter paradox, V's mind was fried out and rebuilt on the other side. So at this moment V is dead. Alt explains that V's body no longer belongs to them. So it wouldnt matter if V as a collection of memories in engram form is injected back into their original body because it's not their body anymore. You mentioned V's brain being the same with the same neurons, Johnny's chip has replaced the neural make up of V's brain gradually over the whole game. Alt mentions that V has about 6 months to live if they return to the body implying that despite V's ownership, something fundemental has changed in how the body operates as a whole and despite V being a complete copy, something has been lost in transference. If V returns to their cyborg body as a replica conciousness, then it affirms the dystopian narrative that their is nothing sacred to the individual, everything of a person can be replaced. Like replacing every plank of wood on a ship, is it still the same ship? Like the temples in Japan where every part is replaced but it is still the same temple because the soul dwells within the object, the soul is not the object itself, it's interesting that Japanese culture just happens to be so prevelant in Night City with a concept like this. Whereas the Buddhists in-game see the soul mind and body as one individual thing, betraying one is betraying them all so they reject body implants. I guess it's up to each person to decide on how much importance they place on this question. I still think about it.
The Star ending is my favorite mainly because it just completes the story. V becomes a legend in night city, a myth of this figure that wrecked Arasaka’s shit and just disappeared. For V, he dropped the dream of “going out in a blaze of glory”, and chose that if he does indeed die, he wants to die surrounded by friends and family. Also its perfect answer to night city, “in a city where reaching the top is a game of life and death, how does one win?…by not playing”
One of the Endings felt forced. Like CPR wanted everything to be as sad as possible. The Ending being V's cure. Got a "Desk Job" which is basically being on the payroll for the rest of his life, after purging himself is Johnny's infectious AI at the cost of his combat abilities and had the chance to start over with a new life. Yet chose to go back to the worst city in the world for no reason at all. So dumb,
Playing devils advocate, cure ending requires militech support, which game shows is basically just as immoral as Arasaka, by giving up SoMi, which, regardless of the atrocities she committed during PL, means NUSA gets their old net living weapon back at least for a few years before she fully burns out/gets overtaken by rogue AIs, putting yourself in the cruel hands of the corpos who would crush anyone it takes for control again, with the different lifepaths at least implying either grew up in or closest you have to family being in NC, at least that V knows of before returning Plus, it finally gives the other side to Dex’s question of quiet life,or blaze of glory, with all base game endings aside from the easy way out being blazes of action, either a coup or assault on Arasaka tower
I personally think the worst ending is the canon ending the devil ending in which u become an engram i think that being V's ending is the fitting that any journey past the 6 month dead line would disregard the whole point of the story which is a journey to save their own life V goes through the city becoming a Legend and changing the lives of everyone they touched only in the end to fall to night city like everyone else before him also if any ending in which u attack arasaka they lose power and are pushed out of night ciry effectively removing them as a major faction in the next game. I think the next game will have a different character or have u return as an engram to be saburos bodyguard that or the phantom liberty ending where u are secretly being used as a a future sleeperr agent to be brought back to try destabilize arasaka by probably infiltrating the gangs to bring them against the corp
This is unrelated bruh your v design is quite similar to one of my own I just found it funny only thing that different is the face cyberwear I think I gave my option 3 those to like vent lookin thing on each side of the templeish area but everything is pretty spot on😅
Panam ending for the win, if anyone will find a way to help V it’s her. She would not give up and you have a kick ass girl by your side.
But he’s dead
@ we don’t know that. You ride off into the sunset with possible hope that you could live.
I don't know, Panam's ending FEELS the best but I still feel like V ends up dead.
@@kolgax2064 We will never know, its an open ending for players to imagine and have hope, if you think V ends up dead then that's case, I feel like Panam would tear the whole world apart to save V and I would be there right by her side.
It’s the ending where the most people die, and V ends up with less chance of survival than the other endings. I don’t like it personally because it results in most of Panam’s clan being wiped out
I like how you tied Temperance and the Star to those leadups, they do make the most thematic sense together.
Johnny addressing V by their full name in the Tower ending hits hard
Goodnight Vincent/Valerie, today was a good day
-Johnny Silverhand
Wow, you definitely got me with the devil and the first ending. That was 100% accurate. It's not that I'm cold, I'm more nihilistic and I definitely used Johnny because I felt he was doing similar.
Bro, this video is absolutely outstanding! So glad I found this channel cuz I already see a handful of other videos you’ve done on some of my favorite games and I’m gonna go head and watch em as soon as I finish this one up.. great work man
Thank you! I hope you enjoy :)
Pretty solid video overall. I can appreciate a by the books view on the endings instead of the usual 'but my V is...' view.
But my V always leaves with Panam
I would like to think my V would give their body up to Johnny. It would make the most pragmatic sense. V living on beyond the Black Wall with Alt. You maybe get 6 mos of life otherwise, and Johnny's gone. Give him another chance with a change in mindset. But if my V had a relationship with Judy or Panam, they would go with the Aldecaldos. Try to hang on to life as much as possible.
The catch with the Mikoshi endings is that V dies and becomes an engram inside Mikoshi and is merely injected back into the original body not to mention it was a rogue AI which helped. It's demonstrated with Jackie and Saburo that constructs are just pseudo intelligences too and not actual souls.
With Alt/Mikoshi, V ends up trading her body and soul away for a fraction of the life they once knew, and with the NUSA/Tower trades their whole life away as they knew for their body and soul. I got the Star ending and that seemed the most hopeful but it all comes down to the soul question and I now have no idea.
I guess in Cyberpunks' world where cybernetics can replace an entire person, memories can be wiped and implanted at will, virtual reality is as compelling as the real thing and AI's can hijack people and fabricate and replace their existence, the lines really start to blur on a lot of this. Are we our soul or are we our memories?
I've seen many people come to this conclusion, And people seem to forget the engram is placed back in the original brain. Here is a post I made that explains it copied!
"It wouldn't be like cloning yourself if the Engram uses the original brain as a host. That's what OP is getting at.
If the Engram of a person is uploaded to the same person's brain the original brain will have zero difference pre engram and post engram. The same memories, neurons and the same synapses are firing in the exact same place that they where before.
An engram will RESTORE the original YOU because it is all happening in the original brain. If the Engram restores the previous brain pattern there was before. There would be zero difference. It would be like waking up from a deep sleep.
Now if you take the engram out of the physical body/brain and the physical body/brain is destroyed. Then of course its just a copy/clone and the real you is dead.
Or someone must explain to me how the engram of a same person in the same persons brain is STILL someone different, because that would mean the "Real you" is something more than the electrical synapses in your brain. (Which the engram would restore in the original brain)"
Another reply I had to a commenter that came to this conclusion:
If the copy is being inserted in the original brain and now the original brain has the exact same neurons, synapses, memories, pathways. and they are all firing in the exact same way. What is lost? It wouldn't matter.
Either you would "merge" with the copy. Or the copy restores you. Whatever way you like to look at it really.
As long as it is in the same brain it doesn't matter what restarts it. Its the same brain with the exact same configuration.
If someone now says to me that from the original perspective you are still dead I would ask. Why?
Where did the original go? Its the same brain!
If the original perspective stays dead even if post engram the brain is still the same that would prove that we are more than electrical impulses in the body/brain AKA this only works if the soul/spirit is what makes you YOU.
But of course if your engram gets pulled from your brain and your brain dies, That's it for you now only the copy remains.
@@1232002Jarne Cheers for the reply, I guess what I was getting at was more of a question of the identity of V.
I think Anders Hellman mentioned the biochip's purpose is overwriting neurons contained within a dead hosts' brain, uploading a biochips' engrams to the host and allowing a pseudo intelligence within the chip to reanimate a dead body. This is what Saburo wanted to do.
So in Mikoshi, Alt soulkilled V. The contents of V's mind were digitized and Johnny and V were disentangled. Like the teleporter paradox, V's mind was fried out and rebuilt on the other side. So at this moment V is dead. Alt explains that V's body no longer belongs to them. So it wouldnt matter if V as a collection of memories in engram form is injected back into their original body because it's not their body anymore. You mentioned V's brain being the same with the same neurons, Johnny's chip has replaced the neural make up of V's brain gradually over the whole game.
Alt mentions that V has about 6 months to live if they return to the body implying that despite V's ownership, something fundemental has changed in how the body operates as a whole and despite V being a complete copy, something has been lost in transference.
If V returns to their cyborg body as a replica conciousness, then it affirms the dystopian narrative that their is nothing sacred to the individual, everything of a person can be replaced. Like replacing every plank of wood on a ship, is it still the same ship? Like the temples in Japan where every part is replaced but it is still the same temple because the soul dwells within the object, the soul is not the object itself, it's interesting that Japanese culture just happens to be so prevelant in Night City with a concept like this. Whereas the Buddhists in-game see the soul mind and body as one individual thing, betraying one is betraying them all so they reject body implants.
I guess it's up to each person to decide on how much importance they place on this question. I still think about it.
I feel like the don’t fear the reaper ending is the canon ending along with that I feel as if it’s canon that Johnny takes v’s body at the end
people crap on the Tower but it’s my favorite of them all for the simple fact that V gets to live despite everything
amazing video
The Star ending is my favorite mainly because it just completes the story. V becomes a legend in night city, a myth of this figure that wrecked Arasaka’s shit and just disappeared. For V, he dropped the dream of “going out in a blaze of glory”, and chose that if he does indeed die, he wants to die surrounded by friends and family.
Also its perfect answer to night city, “in a city where reaching the top is a game of life and death, how does one win?…by not playing”
One of the Endings felt forced. Like CPR wanted everything to be as sad as possible. The Ending being V's cure. Got a "Desk Job" which is basically being on the payroll for the rest of his life, after purging himself is Johnny's infectious AI at the cost of his combat abilities and had the chance to start over with a new life. Yet chose to go back to the worst city in the world for no reason at all. So dumb,
Playing devils advocate, cure ending requires militech support, which game shows is basically just as immoral as Arasaka, by giving up SoMi, which, regardless of the atrocities she committed during PL, means NUSA gets their old net living weapon back at least for a few years before she fully burns out/gets overtaken by rogue AIs, putting yourself in the cruel hands of the corpos who would crush anyone it takes for control again, with the different lifepaths at least implying either grew up in or closest you have to family being in NC, at least that V knows of before returning
Plus, it finally gives the other side to Dex’s question of quiet life,or blaze of glory, with all base game endings aside from the easy way out being blazes of action, either a coup or assault on Arasaka tower
Close-knit family relationship...have you seen Hanako at Embers?
I personally think the worst ending is the canon ending the devil ending in which u become an engram i think that being V's ending is the fitting that any journey past the 6 month dead line would disregard the whole point of the story which is a journey to save their own life V goes through the city becoming a Legend and changing the lives of everyone they touched only in the end to fall to night city like everyone else before him also if any ending in which u attack arasaka they lose power and are pushed out of night ciry effectively removing them as a major faction in the next game. I think the next game will have a different character or have u return as an engram to be saburos bodyguard that or the phantom liberty ending where u are secretly being used as a a future sleeperr agent to be brought back to try destabilize arasaka by probably infiltrating the gangs to bring them against the corp
This is unrelated bruh your v design is quite similar to one of my own I just found it funny only thing that different is the face cyberwear I think I gave my option 3 those to like vent lookin thing on each side of the templeish area but everything is pretty spot on😅
wish i could make a video like this