Hello ladies & gentlemen, Today you'll get to learn all about the Famicom Disk System. I've always liked this add-on. I understand why it never took off, but it's still really cool. I play mine quite a bit. This is the first episode made after moving to my new home. I'm finally settled in, so expect regular episodes again. Thanks for your patience, and hope you enjoy!
@@WeirdLuigi oh cool my xbox just died on wed smoke started coming out of the left side so i shut off I got rid of it I'm buying another one not worth it I went through 3 original xbox systems I still have super nes n64 and Japan nes family game and my tablet to play games I'm not buying ps5 or the next xbox I'm done with consoles good luck to people who buy ps5 and the next xbox hopefully they dont have a overheating issue also used to have xbox 360 and ps3 but they broke i don't feel the hype anymore like i use too anyway enough said later
The disc writing machine is the coolest concept ever. Imagine being able to take your PS4 games you didn’t wanna play anymore, pay $5 and have a new game written over it. Unbelievable.
@@k-leb4671 when there’s thousands of people who dump the code to their computer within moments of buying it on day one, who cares? Backups will always be available thanks to people who are genuinely enthused to preserve & emulate. The biggest problem is trying to buy a game 10 years down the road and it’s been rewritten 4 times over and you never know what you’ll get when shopping 😅
@@k-leb4671 I think it’d be preserved regardless if you and I did it, there’s hundreds of people dumping game files on day one of release, but imagine trying to by a used game these days and just trust the person isn’t selling you a game that’s been written over with something else🥲
Old attitudes of people wanting to do well for each other Vs modern capitalist attitudes of wanting to charge people for literally everything. The only reason we don't pay to breathe is 2024 is cos we had established that it's normal and free before a capitalist could put a price on it
@@christophermccutcheon2143Nintendo was a company I always adored as a child but as their advertising and business practices changed over the years I've grown to be disgusted and disappointed, the games are kinda shit, the prices high, they short you and do underhanded shit like not selling chargers with the handhelds. Shit is disgraceful. I won't buy another new Nintendo product.
He forgot to mention that the larger games had their data spread over both sides of the floppy, so frequent switching during breaks in gameplay (think entering a dungeon in Zelda) would be a staple of your gaming sessions. Combine that with the load times, and it honestly became kind of a pain to use. This only hastened the Disk System's demise once cartridges started catching up in terms of storage, as well as adding new mapper chips to allow for more advanced graphics and diagonal scrolling (like the stuff the FDS had on-board except eventually better).
I was going to pass on this video because I already knew a lot about the disk system. I decided to watch it and found that I didn't know squat about the disk system.
It's one of my all-time favorite GBC soundtracks-- scratch that, one of my all-time favorite _videogame_ soundtracks, period. I like it so much I actually ripped the soundtrack and made mp3s of it for myself and my friends years and years back.
Because pirating video games in Taiwan is highly prevalent, people mostly buy modded consoles there, except for people who specifically play online. It is cheaper for video game stores to buy consoles, mod them, sell them at a really high price then sell games for the price of the bootleg discs. Long story short, I had a SNES that ran on floppy discs.
Used to see a lot of stores in Hong Kong selling games on floppy disk. There's a list over 500 games in stores , u pick the number assigned to each game. You then come back in half an hour to collect it. It only cost like $20 per game.
Not if it's Sony. They'd rather drop support for their flagship smartphones even as soon as 6 months after the release in some cases only to release a reiterated slightly altered version of it and call it a new model (soon to be abandoned the same way), leaving the older version to the community to handle it instead (and turning the blind eye to a lot of what the community does)... on one hand it's smart business wise for the finances and allows them to focus on new things, yet this is just so nasty against those who aren't powerusers to be able to take advantage of what the community brings to the table...
@7:10 Except, illegal copies have nothing to do with "piracy." If it was catching on more, there would have been (more) people arround to circumvent it. @12:38 Yeah, what is not in your words is not on your mind. Governments created the concept of copyright and companies ain't question it because it benefits them. @14:05 I personally would not buy this in murika. Japan seems to have better prices.
Norm you are awesome! I started gaming in the NES era and have always loved classic games. Now my 7 year old son loves them, too! Your channel is one of his favorites, and has really helped develop his appreciation for classic games. He's ready to start collecting, and I think a famicom with disk system may be a good place for him to start. Thanks again! keep producing awesome content!
I remember these were available in the Philippines. This was a great add-on on my famicom. I had a lot of games and they were cheap. But the drawback was loading took more time compared to the cartridges. I liked the system until today.
Yes, this fds was available 1990 - 1993. The Philippines was catching up with the Famicom trend, and few stores copied bootleg games on the disk system at that time. I even had a small business to let gamers play their favorite games. It lasted 3 short years until a competitor set up 3 TV and rented games on cartridges. But I had a few loyal customers playing video games during their P.E. class. Such fun times.
Yeah I find the disk system pretty neat and respectable. What I think is really interesting is the Satellaview. That's something I would have loved to of had the chance to experience somehow. Another good gaming history video, Norm!
Yeah, the Satellaview is one of those few rare things we may never quite be able to experience properly without a time machine. I mean, ROM dumps exist of some things but pretty much all the Soundlink streamed soundtracks are currently considered lost to the sands of time (unless Nintendo or St. Giga have copies stashed away somewhere), so unless dumps of those surface, all we have are various dumped ROMs with no music (though most of them have been modified to play regular SPC music because it's better than nothing). Kinda sad in a way.
Redhotsmasher Yeah I've watched a lot of videos on the Satellaview on youtube. I knew of Xband back in the day, but Satellaview is still something that I had no idea ever existed.
Gregorio Lobato History -> less mass appeal. Retro gaming's audience in general is somewhat limited. Compare that to stuff like Pewdipie, top 10 clickbait lists and channels like Machinima and IGN -> the lowest common denominator.
I think it's because unlike a certain other retro gaming reviewer, he doesn't curse up a storm. Half the fun of AVGN is watching him loose and start screaming.
Kid Icarus was finished 3 days before release.. Amazing hard work.. unlike today where games aren't even finished months AFTER the release :/ 0-day patches and all
Fuck you, you smug prick. Videogame programmers work over 100 hours a week in some cases. They famously work ungodly hours so smug little picks like you can say dumb shit. Fuck off. Kid Icarus is not the same as a 2019 3D game.
I just found this video years later. Thank you for making it. It brings back fond memories of my childhood back in the Philippines where all we had was the famicom.
The NES was specifically designed to have a disk system of its own. The cartridge connector has 10 pins that directly connect to the expansion port on the bottom, so that the connection would be internal. Sadly, they deleted the sound expansion pins from the cartridge connector because of this. So, not only did we not get a disk system, we also ended up with inferior soundtracks on several NES games.
That’s Nintendo being greedy as they always been even PS4 has sales occasionally, on physical copies if you are wiling to wait, I bought uncharted 4 for 50 instead of 80 (Canadian dollar sucks) good luck with Mario odyssey ever dropping that much.....
OBJECTION! Nintendo claimed they would only release games for the disk system after its launch! That doesn't sound like an experiment to me, it was clearly intended to become the focus of the Famicom!
64KB per side was absolutely pathetic. Even the Commodore VIC-20 in 1980 could store almost 180KB per side on a diskette! That's right, 5.25 inch diskettes are physically larger than these, aren't they? Well, the earliest widespread uses of 3.5 inch diskettes used 400KB per side in the case of the Macintosh, or 800KB for the double density models. The earliest PCs with 3.5 inch diskettes could hold 720KB and later up to 2.88MB on one diskette! Nintendo just engineered it like shit.
5:51 I really hope Nintendo somehow revives that warm, analog noise that the Disk system has here. I love how soft the instruments sound compared to the cartridge.
@Gaming Historian, thanks to this video, which feature Famicom Detective Club, the remakes of the first game and its prequel are now going to be released worldwide and localized, you've done it again Norman
@@jordantruax2389 Sony was going to take them to the cleaners harder than a vindictive ex-wife. Sony was already eyeing the console market themselves and were going to try and effectively hijack the SNES from Nintendo (Sony drafted the contract, and snuck in contract clauses that gave all SNES-CD software royalties to Sony and gave Sony the rights to make a standalone SNES-CD console after a year or so, with Nintendo getting almost no royalties from the sales of it). Nintendo's only mistake was not catching on to Sony's game sooner
9:29.It's probably a good thing the Disk System never came to the US. As you mentioned in your Super Mario World video, Nintendo took enough heat from parents just for launching the SNES. Telling these same parents in 1987 that they needed an almost hundred-dollar peripheral to play all future big games would have been a disaster. And if Japanese retailers didn't like the Disk Kiosks, you can only imagine what American retailers still jittery from the Atari crash would have thought about them.
If there's one thing this series teaches you, it's that there's almost a limitless level of creativity embedded in the Japanese culture! Whether it's creating characters that we can relate to and spend time exploring these puzzle worlds, or if it's simple five and six button gaming computer systems from the '80s and '90s that still work today, the fact that one or two companies we're able to dominate the entire world market as long as they did it's such an incredible thing
I went to costa rica back in the day and they had the famicom...there was arcades where you'd go upstairs to play famicom disk games at an hourly rate.....it was nuts to see the disk system operating and having so many games to be able to play...
Wow, I've never heard of this before. I'm surprised by how major this peripheral was - usually peripherals you've never heard of only sell a few thousand units.
Honestly when I see dislikes on a video this well made I assume it's some grump with an irrational hatred of video games. For real, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVER DISLIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. He's calm, intelligent and NOT ANNOYING. What more do you want in a video?
Yea that's not because the hardware is better, they just made it glow amazingly on the cart two years later, basically found a better sound. But the metroid Intro is definitely better taking advantage of the extra channel.
I'm surprised the issue of the microphone in the Player 2 controller wasn't mentioned. I guess some games had vocal commands?? I loved this! Never knew it could be battery operated OR about the secret port. I've been loving this channel lately!
My favorit addon was "Snes super wild card", i dont know how my family got it but it unlocked so many Japanese-Only Super Nintendo (Super Famicom) Games.
I thought the same thing, these two games were perhaps not the best to demonstrate the "enhanced" sound of the FDS. The disk versions sounded like shit.
My first time hearing the disk system music for Metroid and Legend of Zelda. It sounds cool and all, but to me the cartridge Zelda music will always be the better of the two.
I like how you didn't have to insist to begin the video by saying that "The Famicom is the Japanese version of the NES" and everything else that seemingly ever retro gaming youtuber has to bring up every time even though everyone and their grandma already knows that by now.
Maybe it is because I grew up with the cartridge-based NES, but I personally like the cartridge music better than the Disk System music, even if it does have an extra channel.
2:08 "Nintendo loved the idea, especially the concept of overwriting existing games" That is such a funny line given how Nintendo treats a lot of their old games
Up until now, I never _really_ bothered to look up what the FDS actually was. I had a vague idea but that was it. Really glad I found this video! It's detailed but still straight to the point. Thank you!
We've come full circle, back to cartridges. Discs are slow to load and bluray drives expensive relative to a simple flash card interface. Also no need for bulky internal storage.
@@kyle857 This is a weird comment. It's always been known that solid state is faster than mechanical storage. Gaming ran into the same problems that all computing ran into, solid state is fast but expensive and storage is small, mechanical storage is cheap and stores a lot but slow. Right now you can buy magnetic tape that can store 1.6TB for less that $25 on new egg, for the same price for a flash drive(solid state) is 32GB. When games increased in size, they moved to mechanical when the sizes were too large for solid state. Disks were never used because they were cool, and they didn't stop using cartridges because they sucked. It's called technical constraints, they worked with what they had because they didn't have a magic wand to make what they wanted.
never knew about the disk system. batteries? haha..so if the battery runs out the game shuts down. obviously before the internet none of us kids knew what was going on in Japan in 1985. I didn't get to play the NES until 1988 but I remember seeing commercials and when I my mom took me to buy Mario Bros for Atari 2600 in 1986 or so I was very disappointed it wasn't quite the same game.
It would have required 2 disks though. And it wouldn't have had the MMC3 chip that let it do 4 way scrolling and screen splitting. (I don't know if the FDS had those capabilities?)
@@renakunisakiit didn’t. It could do everything the MMC1 could do. It was specifically created to allow the porting of FDS games to cartridge on the NES. SMB3 used the MMC3 chip I believe, which enabled stuff like diagonal scrolling and twin screen views. FDS couldn’t do those things.
4:20 Pokemon Trading Card Game music!!! That was an unexpected bit of nostalgia from a video on a device I never had that never even came out in my country.
Wouldn’t have sold well. It had already been depreciated by the MMC1 mapper that was appearing in cart games. Plus ROM prices kept falling at the time.
So your telling me that NINTENDO made the same mistakes as SEGA, but much earlier, And SEGA still chose to make add-ons to the Genesis/Mega Drive? Well, no wonder SEGA failed as a console company.
But it sounds like Nintendo's add-on was quite successful at its goals, and sold a lot of units. It just turned out ultimately not to be necessary due to falling production costs of cartridges. I don't think that really has anything to do with the failure of the Mega-CD or 32X.
Sega's problem was shelling out more add-ons in an attempt to prolong the Genesis' lifespan even though they had the Saturn near release, which caused fatigue and distrust within its consumers.
The anti-piracy measure served more as a trademark enforcement scheme than an active form of copy protection afaik. Some countries don't have strict copyright laws but do enforce trademark protection. If a pirate uses the exact same molding on their FDS bootlegs, they can be sued for trademark violations, hence why bootlegged disks often intentionally misspell the "NINTENDO" branding to "INTEND" or something of that sort. Eventually they found out that simply making indentations to satisfy the authentication mechanism was a better approach.
huleyn135 - You're being obtuse. I was talking about innovation. The wii's motion controls, the 3DS with dual screens and 3D effect and the Switch with it's dual capabilities were all innovative technologies. Giordan said that Nintendo "lives in the past" and implied that they don't introduce new tech due to past failures. The systems I listed were all "new tech" and very innovative.
Innovation wise, they're great but they hold back hardware power because when they have something that's about as powerful, if not more so, as the competition, it doesn't always do well. Case in point? Gamecube.
Fun fact: Disk-Kun actually makes a cameo in the new Mario movie on a sign in Brooklyn. Keep your eyes peeled for him!
me when i lie
@@zumbeezya simple search online will show that the comment is in fact true
I noticed it when Bowser and Mario were fighting
Holy fuck😮😮😮
@@zumbeezyyou don't lie, you just post spam
Hello ladies & gentlemen,
Today you'll get to learn all about the Famicom Disk System. I've always liked this add-on. I understand why it never took off, but it's still really cool. I play mine quite a bit.
This is the first episode made after moving to my new home. I'm finally settled in, so expect regular episodes again. Thanks for your patience, and hope you enjoy!
Did you hear about the new Nintendo console with 30 NES games built in? What are your thoughts on it? Great video by the way, I'm a huge fan!
i was waithing that you make this video
It is being released in November
I love this channel 10/10
+Cooladee what
The "funding" part at the end gave me serious PBS vibes. All it needed was "and from viewers like you!"
Gaming historian : " THANK YOU . "
Same, pretty sure this was intentional
Nintendo is constantly like, “Well this idea didn’t pan out. Keep it alive for 3 decades.”
Super was supposed to have a cd attachment but it never did
@@marioiacolucci it did get a satellite add-on I think
@@WeirdLuigi oh cool my xbox just died on wed smoke started coming out of the left side so i shut off I got rid of it I'm buying another one not worth it I went through 3 original xbox systems I still have super nes n64 and Japan nes family game and my tablet to play games I'm not buying ps5 or the next xbox I'm done with consoles good luck to people who buy ps5 and the next xbox hopefully they dont have a overheating issue also used to have xbox 360 and ps3 but they broke i don't feel the hype anymore like i use too anyway enough said later
@@marioiacolucci when quarantine ends I would take it into a repair shop if I were you
@@WeirdLuigi too late I already got rid of and all the games dropped it off at donation bin I didn't have many games anyway so it's okay
I've just got Famicom Mini a few days ago, and I love how it emulated tiny details like Disk System loading screens.
The disc writing machine is the coolest concept ever. Imagine being able to take your PS4 games you didn’t wanna play anymore, pay $5 and have a new game written over it. Unbelievable.
I know this is over a year old, But I Love that concept!
BOOM
It is really cool but it does present questions about software preservation.
@@k-leb4671 when there’s thousands of people who dump the code to their computer within moments of buying it on day one, who cares? Backups will always be available thanks to people who are genuinely enthused to preserve & emulate. The biggest problem is trying to buy a game 10 years down the road and it’s been rewritten 4 times over and you never know what you’ll get when shopping 😅
@@k-leb4671 I think it’d be preserved regardless if you and I did it, there’s hundreds of people dumping game files on day one of release, but imagine trying to by a used game these days and just trust the person isn’t selling you a game that’s been written over with something else🥲
You’re telling me they sold blank disks to be able to buy and write your own games on them? Who is this and what did they do with Nintendo?!?
They're just the most butthurt when people pirate, but on the flip side they have a history of being the easiest to pirate even still today
Best part they had flash carts for super famicom and gameboy
Old attitudes of people wanting to do well for each other Vs modern capitalist attitudes of wanting to charge people for literally everything. The only reason we don't pay to breathe is 2024 is cos we had established that it's normal and free before a capitalist could put a price on it
You're telling me it took you 41 years to find this out?
@@christophermccutcheon2143Nintendo was a company I always adored as a child but as their advertising and business practices changed over the years I've grown to be disgusted and disappointed, the games are kinda shit, the prices high, they short you and do underhanded shit like not selling chargers with the handhelds. Shit is disgraceful. I won't buy another new Nintendo product.
He forgot to mention that the larger games had their data spread over both sides of the floppy, so frequent switching during breaks in gameplay (think entering a dungeon in Zelda) would be a staple of your gaming sessions.
Combine that with the load times, and it honestly became kind of a pain to use. This only hastened the Disk System's demise once cartridges started catching up in terms of storage, as well as adding new mapper chips to allow for more advanced graphics and diagonal scrolling (like the stuff the FDS had on-board except eventually better).
The only time I have experienced switching sides on a FDS game is at the beginning of the game. It uses 1 side to boot the game, the other to play.
One wonders if a FDS with two read heads could have saved the format.
@@HalianTheProtogen No there were other cons to the FDS
he actually did mention this, watch the whole video next time
The market in 1987: There was no advantage to a disk rather than a cartridge
Nintendo in 2017: There is no advantage to a disk rather than a cartridge
We've come full circle. Old habits die hard
N64, too
To be fair, the switch is a portable system, disk systems don't work well on portable hardware.
Disks are cheaper to make with a higher capacity.
@@rsplayer2006 the original PSP would like to differ
Really well done Gaming Historian! I learned a lot. I just did a video on the Famicom Disk System also. Really fun piece of hardware.
*OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!*
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Hey bawby
does anyone remember the feeling when you had to leave your nes on overnight so you didn't lose data?
I had my Famicom turned on for several days, it still saves my data although all of my games having dead CMOS battery.
KakyokuMeansSong I forgot all about that
Ya but my friend got to the end of Zelda and the console froze.
John Smith dead battery?
I can't tear down the cartridge and I don't have a vice to press the cartridge open.
I was going to pass on this video because I already knew a lot about the disk system.
I decided to watch it and found that I didn't know squat about the disk system.
Haha, same. I have one, and only knew maybe half of that information.
I also learned alot..lol.
Gaming Historian episodes in a nutshell. Other than the "going to pass" part, at least for me XD.
Yeah, this guy is awesome!
sonicdoesfrontflips I
man, norm, your use of pokemon TCG music takes me right back to being a kid every time.
It's a wonderful soundtrack!
It's one of my all-time favorite GBC soundtracks-- scratch that, one of my all-time favorite _videogame_ soundtracks, period. I like it so much I actually ripped the soundtrack and made mp3s of it for myself and my friends years and years back.
Pokemon is for babies
+DontrelleRoosevelt Pokémon is not for babies
Ethan White It's such a baby game lol
That was really interesting. I'd never even heard of this before!
Because pirating video games in Taiwan is highly prevalent, people mostly buy modded consoles there, except for people who specifically play online.
It is cheaper for video game stores to buy consoles, mod them, sell them at a really high price then sell games for the price of the bootleg discs.
Long story short, I had a SNES that ran on floppy discs.
Used to see a lot of stores in Hong Kong selling games on floppy disk.
There's a list over 500 games in stores , u pick the number assigned to each game. You then come back in half an hour to collect it.
It only cost like $20 per game.
I see that in past like disk converted from a cartridge
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I grew up in the Famicom and floppy disk era, so this was really entertaining to look back. Thanks for such detailed coverage.
Support up to 2007?! That is damn impressive.
they only stopped due to lack of parts
Japanese companies take customer support VERY seriously.
+Shinku Quickman I think that the rest of the world could take a leaf out of their book, to be honest.
Not if it's Sony. They'd rather drop support for their flagship smartphones even as soon as 6 months after the release in some cases only to release a reiterated slightly altered version of it and call it a new model (soon to be abandoned the same way), leaving the older version to the community to handle it instead (and turning the blind eye to a lot of what the community does)... on one hand it's smart business wise for the finances and allows them to focus on new things, yet this is just so nasty against those who aren't powerusers to be able to take advantage of what the community brings to the table...
Who the fuck buys a Sony phone?
Said it before and I'll say it again, thank you for all your efforts in making these videos. They are highly entertaining.
and hella educational! awesome job as always
agree
You are most welcome, thank you for watching :)
+Gaming Historian This is awesome video 😎
@7:10 Except, illegal copies have nothing to do with "piracy." If it was catching on more, there would have been (more) people arround to circumvent it.
@12:38 Yeah, what is not in your words is not on your mind. Governments created the concept of copyright and companies ain't question it because it benefits them.
@14:05 I personally would not buy this in murika. Japan seems to have better prices.
Norm you are awesome! I started gaming in the NES era and have always loved classic games. Now my 7 year old son loves them, too! Your channel is one of his favorites, and has really helped develop his appreciation for classic games. He's ready to start collecting, and I think a famicom with disk system may be a good place for him to start. Thanks again! keep producing awesome content!
I remember these were available in the Philippines. This was a great add-on on my famicom. I had a lot of games and they were cheap. But the drawback was loading took more time compared to the cartridges. I liked the system until today.
Until today? Why, what happened today to change your mind?
Available in Philippines? Wow too bad I don't see the FDS in Malaysia back in the day. People still using Famicom until PS1 era.
Yes, this fds was available 1990 - 1993. The Philippines was catching up with the Famicom trend, and few stores copied bootleg games on the disk system at that time. I even had a small business to let gamers play their favorite games. It lasted 3 short years until a competitor set up 3 TV and rented games on cartridges. But I had a few loyal customers playing video games during their P.E. class. Such fun times.
The Filipinos were always catching up with the latest trends around the world.
They were not available anymore.
I love the sound on the disk format because it had extra sound channel
Yeah I find the disk system pretty neat and respectable. What I think is really interesting is the Satellaview. That's something I would have loved to of had the chance to experience somehow. Another good gaming history video, Norm!
Yeah, the Satellaview is one of those few rare things we may never quite be able to experience properly without a time machine. I mean, ROM dumps exist of some things but pretty much all the Soundlink streamed soundtracks are currently considered lost to the sands of time (unless Nintendo or St. Giga have copies stashed away somewhere), so unless dumps of those surface, all we have are various dumped ROMs with no music (though most of them have been modified to play regular SPC music because it's better than nothing). Kinda sad in a way.
Redhotsmasher Yeah I've watched a lot of videos on the Satellaview on youtube. I knew of Xband back in the day, but Satellaview is still something that I had no idea ever existed.
In case anyone was still wondering (it was driving me nuts off and on for the last couple of months), the music at 0:52 is from Esper Dream.
The composer, Kinuyo Yamashita, also did the music for Castlevania (NES). Esper Dream is one of her lesser known works. It's a great soundtrack.
What’s the one at 10:51?
@@OrigamiWithAmaan Earthbound Hotel music
What about the intro music that ends just before 0:52?
@@QUIZFILTER thats the good ol Wii Shop music
Just when I think you couldn't look any nerdier, you go and grow your hair out......
AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
This is a great reference, +1
Game chasers!!!!! :D
HAHA
This should become a movie.
I don’t know why but with his long hair he reminds me of Lord Farquiad
I remember the first time I went to Japan with my dad and I saw one of the disk writer kiosks. I asked him what it was, and he just said "History."
The Disk System could be charged with *6 C* Batteries
Angry Video Game Nerd: *spits out drink* What!?!?!?
Dammit. I NEED ANOTHER BEER MOM!!
"What are you gonna do with batteries? Play at the fucking beach?
@@MarceloJavier83 Nintendo:super Famicom is launched
“WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?”
AAAAAAAAA$$$$$$$
And dont know why you dont have 3 million followers. Your videos are just perfect.
Work in progress!
Gregorio Lobato History -> less mass appeal. Retro gaming's audience in general is somewhat limited. Compare that to stuff like Pewdipie, top 10 clickbait lists and channels like Machinima and IGN -> the lowest common denominator.
Gregorio Lobato If I'm not mistaken, basically all retro gaming channels have less than 500K subscribers, AVGN being an exception.
Mynthon JonTron
I think it's because unlike a certain other retro gaming reviewer, he doesn't curse up a storm. Half the fun of AVGN is watching him loose and start screaming.
Awesome episode :)
Dead channel
@@Sociopastor nope
hey verifed guy
Kid Icarus was finished 3 days before release.. Amazing hard work.. unlike today where games aren't even finished months AFTER the release :/ 0-day patches and all
stop making publishers rush, then.
+Giordan Diodato
Lol, so you are blaming gamers for their unfinished bullshit?
That basically sums up Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing prefectly.
Perfectly*
Fuck you, you smug prick. Videogame programmers work over 100 hours a week in some cases. They famously work ungodly hours so smug little picks like you can say dumb shit. Fuck off. Kid Icarus is not the same as a 2019 3D game.
I just found this video years later. Thank you for making it. It brings back fond memories of my childhood back in the Philippines where all we had was the famicom.
The NES was specifically designed to have a disk system of its own. The cartridge connector has 10 pins that directly connect to the expansion port on the bottom, so that the connection would be internal. Sadly, they deleted the sound expansion pins from the cartridge connector because of this. So, not only did we not get a disk system, we also ended up with inferior soundtracks on several NES games.
Love your show man. Your content is always top notch. Love the professional "PBS" style you have going. Very Classy.
Yet here we are today paying full price for digital download
William Baker it seems a large portion of the cost was for the parts in the cartridge, rather than the game.
That’s Nintendo being greedy as they always been even PS4 has sales occasionally, on physical copies if you are wiling to wait, I bought uncharted 4 for 50 instead of 80 (Canadian dollar sucks) good luck with Mario odyssey ever dropping that much.....
inflation
@@trifecta9810 why
William Baker all around me are familiar faces worn out faces..
I saw that the previous owner’s name “川島”: kawashima is written on one of the disk system disks that he showed on the video.
Thanks for your amazing work.
U are cool
They couldn't pull the plug on this one,
They had to take the batteries out!
jjjoshiii gather your stuff. You're fired.
jjjoshiii nice one 👌
(Comedy drums)
Now my parents can't take my Nintendo because they don't know how it works.
#Nevergonnagetgroundedfrommynintendo
Ha! Good one!
So that's where Diskun comes from. I worked hard in Melee to get that trophie.
It's amazing how innovative Nintendo can be and yet be so bad at licensing.
Phoenix Wright
Objection! Nintendo was merely trying to experiment with disk systems
OBJECTION! Nintendo claimed they would only release games for the disk system after its launch! That doesn't sound like an experiment to me, it was clearly intended to become the focus of the Famicom!
Because the innovation came from the skilled engineers and the licensing came from greedy and stupid businessmen.
64KB per side was absolutely pathetic. Even the Commodore VIC-20 in 1980 could store almost 180KB per side on a diskette!
That's right, 5.25 inch diskettes are physically larger than these, aren't they? Well, the earliest widespread uses of 3.5 inch diskettes used 400KB per side in the case of the Macintosh, or 800KB for the double density models. The earliest PCs with 3.5 inch diskettes could hold 720KB and later up to 2.88MB on one diskette!
Nintendo just engineered it like shit.
@@AiOinc1 Quality over quantity, Nintendo's games were much better.
That hair is glorious!
lol gettin his blind guardian on.
I actually don't like it that much
*gorgeous*
the 90s called they want their haircut back
6-12 month you are talking Atreyu from The Never Ending Story!!!
Not only is this video great, but that Earthbound music going in the background was really great and brought back many memories.
I like your pbs patreon thing at the end, really classy
Dude I love you and your hair is fabulous
amazing
He wanted to try something outside the 'NORM'! HAHAHAhaha ha...eh...I'll see myself out...
+Ben Young looks like you have "Ben" working on your puns
Since I was 'Young.' I try, but they're nothing to 'crow' about ;)
I guess 'raving' a lot about puns
5:51 I really hope Nintendo somehow revives that warm, analog noise that the Disk system has here. I love how soft the instruments sound compared to the cartridge.
12:50 the background music is fantastic.
That white Archon at 2:45 is such a piece of ART!
@Gaming Historian, thanks to this video, which feature Famicom Detective Club, the remakes of the first game and its prequel are now going to be released worldwide and localized, you've done it again Norman
Nintendo seemed obsessed with disk add ons that fail until the 64DD.
After that, the console *was* the disc drive.
@@renakunisaki then it failed
@@BillehBobJoe They still made money on the Gamecube despite relatively low sales. Not exactly a failure. And the Wii certainly wasnt a failure
There biggest disk fail was rejecting Sony and going with Phillips at last min. Creating a Titian in the market. PlayStation
@@jordantruax2389 Sony was going to take them to the cleaners harder than a vindictive ex-wife. Sony was already eyeing the console market themselves and were going to try and effectively hijack the SNES from Nintendo (Sony drafted the contract, and snuck in contract clauses that gave all SNES-CD software royalties to Sony and gave Sony the rights to make a standalone SNES-CD console after a year or so, with Nintendo getting almost no royalties from the sales of it). Nintendo's only mistake was not catching on to Sony's game sooner
"The Gaming Historian is brought to you by the all-new Nintendo Wii. Watch your games blossom. And by viewers like you. Thank you."
Great video, very informative!
Here's hoping you'll do a video about the PC engine in the future ;3
I second that!
I could see this show on something like a PBS Channel
Dude your channel is amazing. I been binging all these videos. Keep up the great content
9:29.It's probably a good thing the Disk System never came to the US. As you mentioned in your Super Mario World video, Nintendo took enough heat from parents just for launching the SNES. Telling these same parents in 1987 that they needed an almost hundred-dollar peripheral to play all future big games would have been a disaster.
And if Japanese retailers didn't like the Disk Kiosks, you can only imagine what American retailers still jittery from the Atari crash would have thought about them.
love the earthbound music
Everyone does
"I can feel Ms. Pauling coursing thru my veins!"
I'm here enjoying the Pokemon TCG Main Duel Theme from 6:02 to 10:02
If there's one thing this series teaches you, it's that there's almost a limitless level of creativity embedded in the Japanese culture! Whether it's creating characters that we can relate to and spend time exploring these puzzle worlds, or if it's simple five and six button gaming computer systems from the '80s and '90s that still work today, the fact that one or two companies we're able to dominate the entire world market as long as they did it's such an incredible thing
this channel deserves waaaay more subs
I went to costa rica back in the day and they had the famicom...there was arcades where you'd go upstairs to play famicom disk games at an hourly rate.....it was nuts to see the disk system operating and having so many games to be able to play...
Wow. Your videos are just absolutely amazing. Well researched and a complete pleasure to watch. Thanks!
I like the cart version of Legend of Zelda's music sooo much more. I feel that the limitations actually prevented excessive flourishes in the melody
Wow, I've never heard of this before. I'm surprised by how major this peripheral was - usually peripherals you've never heard of only sell a few thousand units.
Honestly when I see dislikes on a video this well made I assume it's some grump with an irrational hatred of video games. For real, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVER DISLIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. He's calm, intelligent and NOT ANNOYING. What more do you want in a video?
Norm’s hair is truly epic in this video.
I love your videos so much! I have watched them all more than once you are one of my favorite creators on RUclips!
Keep your beautiful flowing hair! DON'T LET THE HATERS KEEP YOU DOWN!!!
the sound on the cartridge version of zelda sounded a step up from the disc version to me, not a step down
If you listen to the full ost you will love it
The extra audio channel makes a big difference
It's prolly because you're used to the "original".
No the cart version is MUCH cleaner. I asked 5 of my friends which was which and all had cart over disc going by this videos music
Yea that's not because the hardware is better, they just made it glow amazingly on the cart two years later, basically found a better sound. But the metroid Intro is definitely better taking advantage of the extra channel.
"Sometimes, a console just isnt enough" SEGA
Issue was that Sega went nuts with the idea.
I'm surprised the issue of the microphone in the Player 2 controller wasn't mentioned. I guess some games had vocal commands?? I loved this! Never knew it could be battery operated OR about the secret port. I've been loving this channel lately!
10:05 - that background music is so nostalgic that I wanna visit it again.
1:12 "There was little Nintendo could do about the problem" that they themselves lobbied to create...
4:18 - Pokémon TCG GBC dueling music!
I love how happy Mario is to be playing NES Golf as himself🤣😁
My favorit addon was "Snes super wild card", i dont know how my family got it but it unlocked so many Japanese-Only Super Nintendo (Super Famicom) Games.
I love your channel! Please never stop producing new episodes!
Could you do the history of the turbo grafx 16 please!!!!!!
is it weird I think the cart music sounds better than the disk system? clearer?
Super Wukongo It might sound better however the disk systems sound is richer. Look up the castlevania soundtrack for both two consoles.
I thought the same thing, these two games were perhaps not the best to demonstrate the "enhanced" sound of the FDS. The disk versions sounded like shit.
You mean the Famicom release??????
And sounded more RETRO feeling
My first time hearing the disk system music for Metroid and Legend of Zelda. It sounds cool and all, but to me the cartridge Zelda music will always be the better of the two.
I like how you didn't have to insist to begin the video by saying that "The Famicom is the Japanese version of the NES" and everything else that seemingly ever retro gaming youtuber has to bring up every time even though everyone and their grandma already knows that by now.
Eddie Actually, the NES is the American version of the Famicom.
Nice picture quality. You clearly know what your doing with your camera and lighting rigs. Great vid too, never knew this existed.
What an amazing video my friend, I thought I knew everything about the disk system, But you blew my mind with that video :)
Man, Nintendo has such a fuckin' cool and rich history. Thanks for the upload, Norm!
Don't forget about Sega & Atari ;-)
+Kayfabe Broken They're all cool man. I liked hearing about all of them!
I know right
Maybe it is because I grew up with the cartridge-based NES, but I personally like the cartridge music better than the Disk System music, even if it does have an extra channel.
me too
Disk-kun - the FDS Mascot is so perfectly 80s. Love it to death!
Looks the Minions daddy.
2:08 "Nintendo loved the idea, especially the concept of overwriting existing games"
That is such a funny line given how Nintendo treats a lot of their old games
Up until now, I never _really_ bothered to look up what the FDS actually was. I had a vague idea but that was it. Really glad I found this video! It's detailed but still straight to the point. Thank you!
We've come full circle, back to cartridges. Discs are slow to load and bluray drives expensive relative to a simple flash card interface. Also no need for bulky internal storage.
VarietyGamer I always knew this would happen. Disks suck.
@@kyle857 This is a weird comment. It's always been known that solid state is faster than mechanical storage. Gaming ran into the same problems that all computing ran into, solid state is fast but expensive and storage is small, mechanical storage is cheap and stores a lot but slow. Right now you can buy magnetic tape that can store 1.6TB for less that $25 on new egg, for the same price for a flash drive(solid state) is 32GB.
When games increased in size, they moved to mechanical when the sizes were too large for solid state. Disks were never used because they were cool, and they didn't stop using cartridges because they sucked. It's called technical constraints, they worked with what they had because they didn't have a magic wand to make what they wanted.
Can you do a video about Tetris and who owns it?
The Tetris company owns Tetris. It's based in Hawaii.
+ba11ard I thought it originated from Russia plus I'm talking about when everyone and their mother were making their own Tetris
blofish09 Alexey Pajitnov, the guy who made it is from Russia.
+ba11ard oooooooh Sorry I got my information mixed up
blofish09 He did live in Russia at the time. He was working in Moscow.
never knew about the disk system. batteries? haha..so if the battery runs out the game shuts down. obviously before the internet none of us kids knew what was going on in Japan in 1985. I didn't get to play the NES until 1988 but I remember seeing commercials and when I my mom took me to buy Mario Bros for Atari 2600 in 1986 or so I was very disappointed it wasn't quite the same game.
That's the same with the gameboy and it was not seen as a problem there either.
@@MrMarinus18 with the Game Boy it made sense.
The music at the end of the video always makes my happy and have nostalgic memories for some reason 😌
If anyone is wondering, the music which starts at 4:18 is from The Pokemon Trading Card Game for Gameboy Color called Normal Duel.
Wasn't it Nintendo's own fault that game rentals were banned in Japan?
It's a little more complex than that. I actually did a video all about it! ruclips.net/video/J3xuy5YALl0/видео.html
+Wflash00 man i remember when blockbuster introduced nes rentals. Used to rent nes games all the time.
+Wflash00 I remember they did this during the Saturn years.
answer is in the video at 13:00... piracy
yep
Does somebody know what the music at 0:52 is?
I really like it and I want to listen to it!
It the music of the old Wii Shop Channel. RIP Virtual Console.
Um no the one after that
@@carotteatomique Not sure about that one, I only recognize the Pokemon TCG Gameboy theme song. It's the song that plays through most of the video.
Smb3 almost certainly would have been an fds game if it hadn't been discontinued by that point
It would have required 2 disks though. And it wouldn't have had the MMC3 chip that let it do 4 way scrolling and screen splitting. (I don't know if the FDS had those capabilities?)
@@renakunisakiit didn’t. It could do everything the MMC1 could do. It was specifically created to allow the porting of FDS games to cartridge on the NES.
SMB3 used the MMC3 chip I believe, which enabled stuff like diagonal scrolling and twin screen views. FDS couldn’t do those things.
4:20 Pokemon Trading Card Game music!!! That was an unexpected bit of nostalgia from a video on a device I never had that never even came out in my country.
I didn't even know about this piece of hardware yet it seems like such an integral part of Nintendo's history, great watch
They should have brought it over to America.
Wouldn’t have sold well. It had already been depreciated by the MMC1 mapper that was appearing in cart games. Plus ROM prices kept falling at the time.
Pretty sure I heard Pokémon Trading Card Game music in there
was thinking the same!! Amazing tune
So your telling me that NINTENDO made the same mistakes as SEGA, but much earlier, And SEGA still chose to make add-ons to the Genesis/Mega Drive? Well, no wonder SEGA failed as a console company.
MCFLY Never learning lessons should have been Segas motto.
But it sounds like Nintendo's add-on was quite successful at its goals, and sold a lot of units. It just turned out ultimately not to be necessary due to falling production costs of cartridges. I don't think that really has anything to do with the failure of the Mega-CD or 32X.
N64 vs Saturn
MCFLY -
I love Dreamcast, I have fond memories of Sega Genesis, and I'm not going to bash Sega Saturn, but you know what? You're probably right.
Sega's problem was shelling out more add-ons in an attempt to prolong the Genesis' lifespan even though they had the Saturn near release, which caused fatigue and distrust within its consumers.
always quality on this channel
thank you for sharing it
The anti-piracy measure served more as a trademark enforcement scheme than an active form of copy protection afaik. Some countries don't have strict copyright laws but do enforce trademark protection. If a pirate uses the exact same molding on their FDS bootlegs, they can be sued for trademark violations, hence why bootlegged disks often intentionally misspell the "NINTENDO" branding to "INTEND" or something of that sort. Eventually they found out that simply making indentations to satisfy the authentication mechanism was a better approach.
This pretty much sums up why Nintendo "lives in the past"
It's because when they introduce new technologies, they don't always succeed.
Wii, 3DS and Switch were all very technologically forward, so I'm not sure why you think Nintendo plays it safe or "lives in the past".
Deric Gregory technologically...forward? All three consoles you mentioned have shit tier Hardware.
huleyn135 - You're being obtuse. I was talking about innovation. The wii's motion controls, the 3DS with dual screens and 3D effect and the Switch with it's dual capabilities were all innovative technologies. Giordan said that Nintendo "lives in the past" and implied that they don't introduce new tech due to past failures.
The systems I listed were all "new tech" and very innovative.
Innovation wise, they're great
but they hold back hardware power because when they have something that's about as powerful, if not more so, as the competition, it doesn't always do well. Case in point? Gamecube.
who gives a shit about hardware, nintendo makes better games.
Thanks
I preferred the music on the cartridge. It has a certain atmosphere.
Eight years and this is still my favorite video 😭
The audio was better quality than the cartridge through the life of the Famicom/NES