In reference to the dial glass on the citizen - Mineral crystals are tempered with chemical and heat treatments to make them harder and stronger. They’re a lot more scratch-resistant than acrylic dial protectors, and are more likely to chip rather than shatter, unlike sapphire crystals. This is why on a Dive watch manufacturers quite often choose mineral glass over sapphire. If you glance a rock or metal structure underwater you'll be more appreciative of a chip rather than a shatter moment. Sorry I'm a diver hence the lengthy and possibly unneeded over explanation. If you are someone that wants to use this watch for its implied description - stick to the mineral glass.
I'm a bit late here I guess but here it goes. I have the Promaster BNO150 ( black dial ) version. It came on that uncomfortable rubber strap...wore it for a month and then bought a stainless steel bracelet had it fitted and installed and never looked back. Island Watch makes two bracelet styles for the BNO150 and BNO151. A jube an oyster. I've had this watch for 11 months and wear it each day, by that I mean 7 days a week. I love it..a lot.
I have the citizen for a cpl years and I’m still in love with it I can’t say enough about it! The seiko looks cool too but the citizen is so much more less expensive so I’ll stick with it for now!
Owned both , including both coloured Citizens. Sold the Seiko because of misalignment. I’ve owned most of the popular Seiko Divers, and Tunas over the last 20y. I wear my Citizen Black more than any dive watch I’ve ever had. Sits nicely, and not too tall under a jacket. I think the beveled bezel helps. Super accurate. I thought the Seiko looked more expensive, but the Citizen definitely sees more use than all others. I have it on a black Zulu. I actually preferred the Citizen blue better, but it’s just a colour. Good review. *Edit…….Several months later, and I’ve rebought the SNE498. Hahaha. Love the old-school Tuna look. This Seiko has perfect alignment. Still think very highly of the BN0150, though.
I absolutely love the Citizen. My collection is quite large, so it doesn't get nearly as much wrist time as it deserves. When I do wear it, I'm always impressed with the original style, toughness, and innovation when I look down at it. The Seiko does have a classic '80s Tuna look wich is hard to ignore for watch buffs. Glad you're enjoying your dive watches!! Happy New Year 🎉🎊
The Seiko is more attractive but the Citizen is a rugged piece. I've had this 168 movement in another Citizen for eight years. It has been knocked about at sea yet consistently keeps time at +.3 seconds a day.
Got the Citizen BN0151, it's the perfect grab and go watch for me... robust, reliable, sizeable on any wrist and a torch at night. Anyway you can't go wrong with any of these two beauties. Nice job on the video man !!!
I have a Citizen 0151 (and the black 0150). For around $200, I think these are about the best watches out there. The Seiko solar watches are superb. I've got a solar diver chronograph. I don't care for this model tho, I prefer the Tuna in all steel steel. These new affordable Tunas have a plastic "can".
I'm trying to decide between the 0150 (black) and 0151 (blue).. thoughts? Edit: after spending time with both for a few weeks I decided to keep the blue dial. What helped my decision was the black dial had an alignment issue on the bezel, and I didn't like how the "black" dial was more of a dark grey, which gave it a faded look. The cool thing about the blue dial is it can look black in low light settings so it kinda feels like you're getting a 2-in-1 lol
Sold my Tuna (I remember we purchased it right on launch and both did a review at a similar time). I have re-bought it and am waiting for it to arrive. Severe sellers remorse with this one. It's an incredible watch. Love the Citizen too.
Just come back to video as I recently purchased a citizen 'fugu' 44mm, which has re-ignited my love for this brand, absolutely stunning, so I thought I'd definitely buy this bn0151 for my lad who's getting into watches 😊
Nice job, as always. I bought the Citizen last month (Sept. 2021) from Amazon for $220ish. Today I just happened to see Amazon’s selling it now for only $180. Dang. Oh well, I still love this watch.
Purchased the ecozilla 2 days ago, but this citizen I really do like and would be more of a practical daily watch, thanks for the review, definitely will look at buying it 👍
Picked up a blue for 145 on Amazon on black friday this year (2022). Even though I would have preferred the black, I saw that price drop on the blue and jumped on it.
Citizen is the better watch in my opinion. Better colors, better dial (applied indices vs painted lume indices), better size, better looking (to me), and it's 1/2 the price of the Seiko. Also, from the Seiko's I've owned and still own compared to the Citizen's I own, the Seiko's have had issues with bezel and dial alignment, quartz/solar ones don't always hit the indices with the second hand, and overall Citizen has better quality control. When you are paying $400-$1000 for a watch you don't want to have to fix a misaligned bezel, chapter ring, or dial. Seiko is banking on their brand name and not on their quality. For someone getting their first dive watch that is actually ISO 6425 certified I always recommend the Citizen BN0150/BN0151. Put the Citizen on a 20mm stainless bracelet and it really looks great.
What is it about Seiko divers that makes me want to own multiple? This doesn't happen with other brands or micros. I must be addicted to misaligned chapter rings lol
Last year I picked up the Citizen Flieger Eco-Drive. I totally agree with you on about solar being the route to go. I have been considering a SNE so I hope you do a comparison of your Tunas. 👍
Thanks Greg for tuning in!! I really love my Solar watches in the collection. There are so many fun watches in the SNE lineup. I'll be posting a side by side of my Tuna collection in the near future!! Cheers buddy, and keep cranking out the great ancient history vids 😎👍🤙
@@gregalonzo747 The Sea Nymph is a great watch. My wife owns the blue one. They're sold out completely on the website, but get on the mailing list for every color. They'll notify you when they are coming back in stock. Gotta jump when the email comes in, because they sell quickly. With the code OFD at checkout, the Sea Nymph is around $162, which is a great deal.
I am a long time diver since my days in the military. Now I own a dive school and I think one of the Seiko Solar watches would be fun to wear around the pool. I hope you do that comparison video.
I have the Citizen BN151, after I lost the black BN150. I like the orange outline on the minute hand. It looks much better with an orange strap. Not a fan of the stock one. The Seiko tuna has a more attractive bezel insert font, which is the thing I like less in Citizen. I put a screen protector on the BN151, as it comes with mineral crystal. I bought an Addiesdive (like Steeldive) Seiko tuna homage with a black sterile dial. It looks great and has sapphire crystal (domed, I wish it was flat). The issue with the Seiko solar tuna is that the shroud is some kind of plastic, I wish it was steel. Not a fan of gold accents. Also, Seiko at that price could offer sapphire crystal, and use their own quartz movement VH31, which has a sweeping second hand (4 ticks per second), which is used on some Chinese watches for around $100. It would make it more appealing. Probably I will wait on some deal for the Seiko solar SNE589. Years ago I sold the Citizen BN000 solar which is slightly smaller, and probably the best looking toolish Citizen solar.
Could you post a link to the pics of the Citizen with the caseback off please? I've had a hard time finding pics of that watch's movement while still inside the watch. Thanks.
had two citizen bn150 before, sold them. now I bought another one and I hope this will not be sold... I like them but because they are quartz, they are the first to be sold from my collection.
Ha funny, I have both! They are both great watches but the bn0151 strap on mine was very stiff until I soaked it and the sne498 has 22mm lugs which I prefer 20mm but other than that no issues.
No one has mentioned the glaringly obvious on these 2 watches. The Seiko has no crown guards, whereas the Citizen has them. You need crown guards for an outdoor/dive watch. The Seiko looks are rubbish compared to the Citizen as well.
As is standard on all Seiko Prospex Tuna line, the Stainless Steel, or in this case polymer case shroud extends around the crown protecting it actually more that crown guards. The shroud protects it from downward impacts as well, which standard crown guards do not. Cheers 😎 👍
@@dude28405 Yes regarding Citizens love deficit, I think it's possibly down to - 1) marketing and product placement (or lack of it). Think of Seiko through the years and how many films (Bond, Arnie etc) and other public arenas (Olympics) they have appeared in. 2) Also on a more basic level and this is only my opinion: the name "Citizen" - isn't a Japanese name, doesn't sound as exotic as "Seiko". If a western consumer, these days anyway, is buying something Japanese or German or English the product name is, I think, important in taking advantage of the subconscious, subliminal and cultural aspects of the customer's buying triggers. I'm sure there are other criteria like range clarity, features and design that have an effect. However in my experience and trying to be as objective as possible, comparing Citizen and Seiko just on engineering quality, robustness/ reliabilty, performance, price - Citizen wins. *What do others think?*
@@roadgent7921 I think your right if I approach this as outsider since I don't own neither of these brands, however the name Citizen has always had a distinction of class when it's presented, it looks well in print and has carried itself well through the years because of it's reputation. (just a feel) I receive this watch tomorrow by mail only to the demise of my similar 15+ year Elgin blue auto diver that isn't keeping time as it use too. I have many, many time piece's from mantle clocks, pocket watches and bedside alarms as well a top draw wrist watches. What draws me in to a Citizen watch is their unique sensibility of combining all the aesthetics and presenting them as far as this watch is concerned, is a sharp as well as rugged looking instrument. I look forward to not replacing a battery, I believe I stayed on the automatic watch train long enough and arrived far too late for solar...oh well.
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In reference to the dial glass on the citizen - Mineral crystals are tempered with chemical and heat treatments to make them harder and stronger. They’re a lot more scratch-resistant than acrylic dial protectors, and are more likely to chip rather than shatter, unlike sapphire crystals. This is why on a Dive watch manufacturers quite often choose mineral glass over sapphire. If you glance a rock or metal structure underwater you'll be more appreciative of a chip rather than a shatter moment. Sorry I'm a diver hence the lengthy and possibly unneeded over explanation. If you are someone that wants to use this watch for its implied description - stick to the mineral glass.
I appreciate the detailed answer.
Citizen BN Promaster under $200 built like a tank 4 years wearing mine.
I'm a bit late here I guess but here it goes.
I have the Promaster BNO150 ( black dial ) version.
It came on that uncomfortable rubber strap...wore it for a month and then bought a stainless steel bracelet had it fitted and installed and never looked back.
Island Watch makes two bracelet styles for the BNO150 and BNO151.
A jube an oyster.
I've had this watch for 11 months and wear it each day, by that I mean 7 days a week.
I love it..a lot.
Great watches! Bought the Citizen BN0150 recently and it is slowly becoming my favourite watch, just love it! 💪👏
Tom, they are definitely great watches. Fun with different straps too. Cheers, and thanks for tuning in!
I have the citizen for a cpl years and I’m still in love with it I can’t say enough about it! The seiko looks cool too but the citizen is so much more less expensive so I’ll stick with it for now!
It's a great watch!! Happy New Year 🎊🎉
I really like the Citizen and especially since you said it should last me at least 25 years, so if I buy one I should live to 96 😎
That sounds like a plan buddy!😁👍
That's the spirit - positive thinking!!
Owned both , including both coloured Citizens. Sold the Seiko because of misalignment.
I’ve owned most of the popular Seiko Divers, and Tunas over the last 20y.
I wear my Citizen Black more than any dive watch I’ve ever had. Sits nicely, and not too tall under a jacket. I think the beveled bezel helps. Super accurate.
I thought the Seiko looked more expensive, but the Citizen definitely sees more use than all others. I have it on a black Zulu. I actually preferred the Citizen blue better, but it’s just a colour.
Good review.
*Edit…….Several months later, and I’ve rebought the SNE498. Hahaha.
Love the old-school Tuna look.
This Seiko has perfect alignment. Still think very highly of the BN0150, though.
I absolutely love the Citizen. My collection is quite large, so it doesn't get nearly as much wrist time as it deserves. When I do wear it, I'm always impressed with the original style, toughness, and innovation when I look down at it. The Seiko does have a classic '80s Tuna look wich is hard to ignore for watch buffs. Glad you're enjoying your dive watches!! Happy New Year 🎉🎊
I’ve had the black version ov the Citizen for about a year and I must say that I absolutely love it. I put a lens on the date though
The Seiko is more attractive but the Citizen is a rugged piece. I've had this 168 movement in another Citizen for eight years. It has been knocked about at sea yet consistently keeps time at +.3 seconds a day.
Got the Citizen BN0151, it's the perfect grab and go watch for me... robust, reliable, sizeable on any wrist and a torch at night. Anyway you can't go wrong with any of these two beauties. Nice job on the video man !!!
I completely agree 😎👍 Thanks so much for your kind comment!
I have a Citizen 0151 (and the black 0150). For around $200, I think these are about the best watches out there. The Seiko solar watches are superb. I've got a solar diver chronograph. I don't care for this model tho, I prefer the Tuna in all steel steel. These new affordable Tunas have a plastic "can".
I'm trying to decide between the 0150 (black) and 0151 (blue).. thoughts?
Edit: after spending time with both for a few weeks I decided to keep the blue dial. What helped my decision was the black dial had an alignment issue on the bezel, and I didn't like how the "black" dial was more of a dark grey, which gave it a faded look. The cool thing about the blue dial is it can look black in low light settings so it kinda feels like you're getting a 2-in-1 lol
Sold my Tuna (I remember we purchased it right on launch and both did a review at a similar time). I have re-bought it and am waiting for it to arrive. Severe sellers remorse with this one. It's an incredible watch. Love the Citizen too.
Just come back to video as I recently purchased a citizen 'fugu' 44mm, which has re-ignited my love for this brand, absolutely stunning, so I thought I'd definitely buy this bn0151 for my lad who's getting into watches 😊
Nice job, as always. I bought the Citizen last month (Sept. 2021) from Amazon for $220ish. Today I just happened to see Amazon’s selling it now for only $180. Dang. Oh well, I still love this watch.
It's a great watch! You really can't go wrong even at retail price your getting a watch worth every penny 😎👍
I have both and two of my favorites. Love the chunky and overall quality of both!
I've been rocking with my Citizen promaster soldier for the last three years and it's my go to Dailey wacth and Tuff as nails! 189.00 $ Ebay!!
Thnx for the reviews!! And on a Citizen watch ,their 5 year warranty is a great plus too!
Purchased the ecozilla 2 days ago, but this citizen I really do like and would be more of a practical daily watch, thanks for the review, definitely will look at buying it 👍
I have both watches, citizen in black version and seiko in white. I prefere citizen much more
I also own both i seem to reach for the Citizen more often.
Great video, you gotta do a video on Citizen Promaster dive watches comparison
Picked up a blue for 145 on Amazon on black friday this year (2022). Even though I would have preferred the black, I saw that price drop on the blue and jumped on it.
Seeing the price difference where i live is 550 Seiko vs 175 Citizen I don't even have to think about which one I want.
Citizen is the better watch in my opinion. Better colors, better dial (applied indices vs painted lume indices), better size, better looking (to me), and it's 1/2 the price of the Seiko. Also, from the Seiko's I've owned and still own compared to the Citizen's I own, the Seiko's have had issues with bezel and dial alignment, quartz/solar ones don't always hit the indices with the second hand, and overall Citizen has better quality control. When you are paying $400-$1000 for a watch you don't want to have to fix a misaligned bezel, chapter ring, or dial. Seiko is banking on their brand name and not on their quality. For someone getting their first dive watch that is actually ISO 6425 certified I always recommend the Citizen BN0150/BN0151. Put the Citizen on a 20mm stainless bracelet and it really looks great.
The Citizen is a great watch and the company has a great history. I still own both watches and really enjoy them. Cheers!!😎👍
Citizens my everyday/beater. They came out with new colors green and red. Hopefully they produce an orange or yellow, then I can replace my blue one.
I'm hoping they will release an orange one some day. I have a thing for orange watches.
In the last month I purchased the Citizen Prodiver eco in black and the Citizen Prodiver Marine Coke. Neither came with the dive chart on the band.
🤔
The Citizen is my pick! I prefer its hands...
What is it about Seiko divers that makes me want to own multiple? This doesn't happen with other brands or micros. I must be addicted to misaligned chapter rings lol
Dude, I hear you!! Big time. I need to do my Seiko diver collection soon 🤣😁🙄😫
Because they are so cool. Makes you want to own them all.
Maybe you want to get a perfect one so you keep buying
Last year I picked up the Citizen Flieger Eco-Drive. I totally agree with you on about solar being the route to go. I have been considering a SNE so I hope you do a comparison of your Tunas. 👍
Thanks Greg for tuning in!! I really love my Solar watches in the collection. There are so many fun watches in the SNE lineup. I'll be posting a side by side of my Tuna collection in the near future!! Cheers buddy, and keep cranking out the great ancient history vids 😎👍🤙
@@OFD, BTW, my wife recently subscribed to your channel. She wanted to know if you have access to any of the Phoibos women's watches?
@@gregalonzo747 The Sea Nymph is a great watch. My wife owns the blue one. They're sold out completely on the website, but get on the mailing list for every color. They'll notify you when they are coming back in stock. Gotta jump when the email comes in, because they sell quickly. With the code OFD at checkout, the Sea Nymph is around $162, which is a great deal.
@@OFD, cool. Thanks much 👍
I am a long time diver since my days in the military. Now I own a dive school and I think one of the Seiko Solar watches would be fun to wear around the pool. I hope you do that comparison video.
Jake, I will definitely be comparing my Solar Tuna watches!! Thanks for tuning in, and your military service!😎👍🙏
Hey thanks for your service, former police search and rescue diver and swift water rescue here!
@@brianbuchert6382, same to you, bro. Semper Fi 🇺🇲
The 151 is hard to beat. It sorta reminds me a little of a Seiko Tuna. And 151 normally comes with a cool dive tank. Which is nice to display.
Yeah the tank is DOPE!!!!!!
Hi Aron, I am also looking forward to your your comparison of your four Prospex models.
I got a Citizen BN0151, same as the one in this vid. Lume is killer, visible all night long. It is a vwry nice piece
Congratulations! They are awesome watches. The lume is 🔥🔥
Have my citizen on a 20mm Bond nato superstrap and it looks killer
Great video very informative I actually prefer the citizen that dial is 👌👌
The dial on the Citizen is very nice!! Cheers, and thank you Heath!!😁👍🙏
I own the ProMaster pepsi. I love it.
I have the Citizen BN151, after I lost the black BN150. I like the orange outline on the minute hand. It looks much better with an orange strap. Not a fan of the stock one. The Seiko tuna has a more attractive bezel insert font, which is the thing I like less in Citizen. I put a screen protector on the BN151, as it comes with mineral crystal.
I bought an Addiesdive (like Steeldive) Seiko tuna homage with a black sterile dial. It looks great and has sapphire crystal (domed, I wish it was flat).
The issue with the Seiko solar tuna is that the shroud is some kind of plastic, I wish it was steel. Not a fan of gold accents. Also, Seiko at that price could offer sapphire crystal, and use their own quartz movement VH31, which has a sweeping second hand (4 ticks per second), which is used on some Chinese watches for around $100. It would make it more appealing.
Probably I will wait on some deal for the Seiko solar SNE589.
Years ago I sold the Citizen BN000 solar which is slightly smaller, and probably the best looking toolish Citizen solar.
Paid $209 for the Citizen yesterday from Amazon 02/03/2022
It's worth every penny 😎👍Enjoy the watch!!
@@OFD great to hear 👍 Thank you
Could you post a link to the pics of the Citizen with the caseback off please? I've had a hard time finding pics of that watch's movement while still inside the watch. Thanks.
I have both of these watches.The second hand hits the markers every time.
had two citizen bn150 before, sold them. now I bought another one and I hope this will not be sold... I like them but because they are quartz, they are the first to be sold from my collection.
I have both!!!👍👍👍
I love both!! And I HAVE both!!!!!!! 😄
The best citizen 👌
😁👍Happy New Year 🎉 🎊
I love the design but i would like a smaller one, 40mm would be perfect
I agree. It would definitely open up the market for new buyers!! Cheers 😁👍
With a little bit of hunting you can pick that citizen up pretty reasonable
Ha funny, I have both! They are both great watches but the bn0151 strap on mine was very stiff until I soaked it and the sne498 has 22mm lugs which I prefer 20mm but other than that no issues.
Have Citizen and Seiko dive watch es both brands are good.
Excellent review
Question WatchAholics
Are they in the same price range?
No one has mentioned the glaringly obvious on these 2 watches. The Seiko has no crown guards, whereas the Citizen has them. You need crown guards for an outdoor/dive watch. The Seiko looks are rubbish compared to the Citizen as well.
As is standard on all Seiko Prospex Tuna line, the Stainless Steel, or in this case polymer case shroud extends around the crown protecting it actually more that crown guards. The shroud protects it from downward impacts as well, which standard crown guards do not. Cheers 😎 👍
Citizen!!
What's the reason people buy a divers watch if they are not a diver like me? btw I've just bought one lol
Basically because they look cool, are extremely legible, are built tough, and they have impressive lume. But mainly because we are watch geeks 🤓👍
I dive too…muff dive 🤣
DIVE????? I DONT EVEN SWIM BUT I GOT THAT CITIZEN ECO-DRIVE PROMASTER IN CASE I JUMP IN THE KIDDIE POOL
Same reason people buy 4x4’s that never leave the pavement. Like the looks and they’re more durable.
Both great watches!
Definitely!! Great to hear from you. You guys make very nice watches!! I've had the pleasure to review here 😁👍
is the calendar at 4 oclock the date automatic or do i have to adjust it manually ?
Once the watch is set it will set daily. You'll have to adjust for shorter months.
Plz reply, which lume lasts more??
Citizen, by far. See this video starting at 09:50 for comparison:
m.ruclips.net/video/K3Y5whjfJdA/видео.html
Just bought the kermit 🐸
Nice!! Congrats 👏
But the seconds hands aren't synced! Gasp
🤣🤣 I know!! Funny how close they actually were given I haven't adjusted either of them for weeks! Cheers buddy 😎👍👊
I would like the CItizen more if all the lume was the green used in the pip.
Good stuff!
Very helpful thanks from Tootenfarten Manor
😆🤣let the winds flow through the valley!
You've done the specs part terribly. SNE498 has 44 mm lug-to-lug, for starters.
Ohhhh noooooo.🤷♂️
citizen for me , thx
Good video. Citizen wins
I have the citizen I like it I still rock it on that blue strap
It looks good on the factory strap. I've left mine on it too! 😎👍
I have this one also from months (bracelet) and it's a fantastic watch
@@gusthesailor4885 I agree I don't know why citizen doesn't get the love they deserve
@@dude28405 Yes regarding Citizens love deficit, I think it's possibly down to -
1) marketing and product placement (or lack of it). Think of Seiko through the years and how many films (Bond, Arnie etc) and other public arenas (Olympics) they have appeared in.
2) Also on a more basic level and this is only my opinion: the name "Citizen" - isn't a Japanese name, doesn't sound as exotic as "Seiko". If a western consumer, these days anyway, is buying something Japanese or German or English the product name is, I think, important in taking advantage of the subconscious, subliminal and cultural aspects of the customer's buying triggers.
I'm sure there are other criteria like range clarity, features and design that have an effect. However in my experience and trying to be as objective as possible, comparing Citizen and Seiko just on engineering quality, robustness/ reliabilty, performance, price - Citizen wins. *What do others think?*
@@roadgent7921 I think your right if I approach this as outsider since I don't own neither of these brands, however the name Citizen has always had a distinction of class when it's presented, it looks well in print and has carried itself well through the years because of it's reputation. (just a feel) I receive this watch tomorrow by mail only to the demise of my similar 15+ year Elgin blue auto diver that isn't keeping time as it use too. I have many, many time piece's from mantle clocks, pocket watches and bedside alarms as well a top draw wrist watches. What draws me in to a Citizen watch is their unique sensibility of combining all the aesthetics and presenting them as far as this watch is concerned, is a sharp as well as rugged looking instrument. I look forward to not replacing a battery, I believe I stayed on the automatic watch train long enough and arrived far too late for solar...oh well.
nice watches, nice review
Thank you!!
Nice!
Dont get me wrong,i love the history, design of the citizen promaster but something doesn't do it for me,so based on that my choice is the tuna
It’s not even close. Seiko for the win.
Buy automatic because its masculine
POOBUS
own seiko in my opinion is more professional
Seiko tuna is far much better watch in confront of citizen
Hey !!!
I am looking for a great sturdy high quality rubber strap replacement for the Citizen pro master any brand and model you would recommend ?
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I've used these Barton straps before on a couple of my Citizen Promaster divers. Cheers 😎 👍
Checkout Helm Rubber Straps!